The name change is very worrying for all football fans

So an Asian (Bangladesh I think) buys a football club and once again wants to change history of a football club in this country in a hope that the 'Tiger' brand will generate interest in his native country.

Other sports have done name changes mainly because their sports as a whole have needed a boost of interest but not football surely.?

When all the talk that Tan could change the club name there where 'some' stating that the FA won't allow them to do it yet now the precedent has been set so this move must be a worry to any football fan whos club is owned by a foreign owner who has no respect for history of their club whatsoever.

Tan won't.


Viva Vincent Tan

If businessmen think there's an extra pound to be made then they would look further into it

Tan will. Other owners will. Its the way the game is going. You look at the mass commercialisation of the Superbowl and all the money they are milking from that and they will squeeze every last penny then can out of it if they can. Football will go the same way in this country and it'll take time but it'll eventually get there because its the money game.

The Premier League's only saving grace is that the MLS takes off massively and becomes the money power league where everyone wants to move for a 8 figure salary and live the dream like a Hollywood star and with the current MLS restrictions in place that doesn't look likely.

Whilst the Premier league remains the money league and regarded as the best in the world the more money will be poured into it and the more businessmen/women will try and cream off as much as they can from it. Look at how the CL is now with around 25,000-30,000 seats going to corporate instead of the working class fan - tells its own story.

Tan will. Other owners will. Its the way the game is going. You look at the mass commercialisation of the Superbowl and all the money they are milking from that and they will squeeze every last penny then can out of it if they can. Football will go the same way in this country and it'll take time but it'll eventually get there because its the money game.

The Premier League's only saving grace is that the MLS takes off massively and becomes the money power league where everyone wants to move for a 8 figure salary and live the dream like a Hollywood star and with the current MLS restrictions in place that doesn't look likely.

Whilst the Premier league remains the money league and regarded as the best in the world the more money will be poured into it and the more businessmen/women will try and cream off as much as they can from it. Look at how the CL is now with around 25,000-30,000 seats going to corporate instead of the working class fan - tells its own story.

It's only the way the game is going if the fans keep rolling over. are you going to make a stance barnett?

BU may have already prevented further changes from merely existing and making Tan answer media questions about them.

It's only the way the game is going if the fans keep rolling over. are you going to make a stance barnett?

Yes because me, the 22 year old student born and bred in South Wales, i'm really going to scare Rupert Murdoch and all the businessmen involved with the Premier League and the member clubs.

I can't stop it, you can't stop it, Bluebirds Unite can't stop it, other clubs fans groups can't stop it. Its all down to them to stop it and on them only. Money has corrupted governmental affairs, banking (i.e. Wall St.) and football is no different.

It's only the way the game is going if the fans keep rolling over. are you going to make a stance barnett?

Yes because me, the 22 year old student born and bred in South Wales, i'm really going to scare Rupert Murdoch and all the businessmen involved with the Premier League and the member clubs.

I can't stop it, you can't stop it, Bluebirds Unite can't stop it, other clubs fans groups can't stop it. Its all down to them to stop it and on them only. Money has corrupted governmental affairs, banking (i.e. Wall St.) and football is no different.

We can't stop going to matches? holy shit is your medication running out

We can't stop going to matches? holy shit is your medication running out

Thats sod all compare to Sky money.

Take a £600 ST and times that by 27,000. (being generous on the figures of course)

£16,200,000

So thats just over £16m the club would lose if 100% of fans of that attendance stopped going plus the season ticket price quoted is higher than expected. Considering around 5% of fans not going is realistic given 95% of fans are quite bloody happy to just have a day out then that's an annual expected loss on those figures of around £810,000. The Sky TV money now eclipses that so i'm sure Tan is going to give a crap about less than £1m.

Considering Tan just gave £1m to local charities I highly suspect he, or the other owners of clubs, would give a feck. There will always be demand because there will always be fans willing to either go and just watch the football or just have a day out. There are Arsenal fans spending over £1k on a ST so the notion fans would just stop going is laughable. A very minimal amount will stop going, the majority will continue to go. Supply and demand is all it is. Im sure someone of your intelligence my dear Mr Magic understands the fundamental principles of a capitalist market.

Also making a snipe at me just proves you are losing this debate Roathie.

We can't stop going to matches? holy shit is your medication running out

Thats sod all compare to Sky money.

Take a £600 ST and times that by 27,000. (being generous on the figures of course)

£16,200,000

So thats just over £16m the club would lose if 100% of fans of that attendance stopped going plus the season ticket price quoted is higher than expected. Considering around 5% of fans not going is realistic given 95% of fans are quite bloody happy to just have a day out then that's an annual expected loss on those figures of around £810,000. The Sky TV money now eclipses that so i'm sure Tan is going to give a crap about less than £1m.

Considering Tan just gave £1m to local charities I highly suspect he, or the other owners of clubs, would give a feck. There will always be demand because there will always be fans willing to either go and just watch the football or just have a day out. There are Arsenal fans spending over £1k on a ST so the notion fans would just stop going is laughable. A very minimal amount will stop going, the majority will continue to go. Supply and demand is all it is. Im sure someone of your intelligence my dear Mr Magic understands the fundamental principles of a capitalist market.

Also making a snipe at me just proves you are losing this debate Roathie.

Tan did NOT give £1 million to local charities the club did!!!

We can't stop going to matches? holy shit is your medication running out

Thats sod all compare to Sky money.

Take a £600 ST and times that by 27,000. (being generous on the figures of course)

£16,200,000

So thats just over £16m the club would lose if 100% of fans of that attendance stopped going plus the season ticket price quoted is higher than expected. Considering around 5% of fans not going is realistic given 95% of fans are quite bloody happy to just have a day out then that's an annual expected loss on those figures of around £810,000. The Sky TV money now eclipses that so i'm sure Tan is going to give a crap about less than £1m.

Considering Tan just gave £1m to local charities I highly suspect he, or the other owners of clubs, would give a feck. There will always be demand because there will always be fans willing to either go and just watch the football or just have a day out. There are Arsenal fans spending over £1k on a ST so the notion fans would just stop going is laughable. A very minimal amount will stop going, the majority will continue to go. Supply and demand is all it is. Im sure someone of your intelligence my dear Mr Magic understands the fundamental principles of a capitalist market.

Also making a snipe at me just proves you are losing this debate Roathie.

sky doesn't have a product with empty stadiums

Tan did NOT give £1 million to local charities the club did!!!

Tan's financing the club himself as the shareholder with the majority stake. If you want clarification on that ask Steve Borley. Even with promotion, Tan is still needed to keep the finances in order and will still be funding it himself until the club hits a plateau of financial stability.

sky doesn't have a product with empty stadiums

Clubs make more from Sky than fans buying tickets. If 5% of fans nationwide tomorrow stopped going owners wouldn't give a crap. Tan quoted 25% of his customers and other owners, depending on the finances of the particular club in question, will have their thresholds.

Clubs won't have empty stadiums and you know it. Even if Manchester United or Liverpool rebranded with all their history their stadiums wouldn't be empty and nobody can organise a protest to empty a stadium.

The money clubs make from gate receipts these days are eclipsed by the TV deals with Sky and whilst that is the case the fans will come second to the TV businessmen who influence the monopoly.

Tan did NOT give £1 million to local charities the club did!!!

Tan's financing the club himself as the shareholder with the majority stake. If you want clarification on that ask Steve Borley. Even with promotion, Tan is still needed to keep the finances in order and will still be funding it himself until the club hits a plateau of financial stability.

Tan is financing the club at a interest rate of 7% so he's not doing it for free!!! and to be honest I would want the club to hit the plateau of financial stability first before throwing money left right and centre.

My point is that there have been plenty of clubs who have dropped out of the Premier League and the amount of debt has either put themout of business or they haven't ever returned to the dizzy heights of the Premier League ever again and I don't want the club do follow in their footsteps. Promoted clubs should learn from the likes of West Brom and even Swansea and remember what happened to the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds, Bradford and so onafter they got relegated and that is my worst fear.

sky doesn't have a product with empty stadiums

Clubs make more from Sky than fans buying tickets. If 5% of fans nationwide tomorrow stopped going owners wouldn't give a crap. Tan quoted 25% of his customers and other owners, depending on the finances of the particular club in question, will have their thresholds.

Clubs won't have empty stadiums and you know it. Even if Manchester United or Liverpool rebranded with all their history their stadiums wouldn't be empty and nobody can organise a protest to empty a stadium.

The money clubs make from gate receipts these days are eclipsed by the TV deals with Sky and whilst that is the case the fans will come second to the TV businessmen who influence the monopoly.

If we stop going sky will have empty stadiums

Tan is financing the club at a interest rate of 7% so he's not doing it for free!!! and to be honest I would want the club to hit the plateau of financial stability first before throwing money left right and centre.

Of course he ain't doing it for free but he's still doing it and its still his decision to put his money forward to charities at the present time just as its his decision to keep the club afloat. I would rather the club address the finances but if we did that and sorted the debt without investing in the market could we stay up this season? It would be a tough ask, possible certainly but a tough ask.

Also, would Malky have stayed if Tan said he was settling the finances and only giving him a small sum to spend? He may have very well went to Everton if their offer was solid.

My point is that there have been plenty of clubs who have dropped out of the Premier League and the amount of debt has either put themout of business or they haven't ever returned to the dizzy heights of the Premier League ever again and I don't want the club do follow in their footsteps. Promoted clubs should learn from the likes of West Brom and even Swansea and remember what happened to the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds, Bradford and so onafter they got relegated and that is my worst fear.

I agree with you but it ain't happening that way is it? We can want one thing but the other is happening. I'd rather us in blue but the red kit and rebrand is happening. We dont always get what we want as im sure you are aware.

If we stop going sky will have empty stadiums

I'll give you £200 if you can empty the CCS this season and by that I mean not 1 single fan through the gate. Actually, I'll go a step further, if you can organise a protest to empty 1 stadium of the 20 Premier League stadiums this season and the stadium announces a 0% attendance for your protest I'll give you the money.

The simple fact is only the vast minority will stop attending. Leeds fans on their forum, most are happy to even be renamed Red Bull Leeds if it means getting back to the big time and the CL. A lot of fans are like drug addicts, they crave the highs and hate the lows. They need their fix and will get it whatever the price to satisfy their urge.

If we stop going sky will have empty stadiums

I'll give you £200 if you can empty the CCS this season and by that I mean not 1 single fan through the gate. Actually, I'll go a step further, if you can organise a protest to empty 1 stadium of the 20 Premier League stadiums this season and the stadium announces a 0% attendance for your protest I'll give you the money.

The simple fact is only the vast minority will stop attending. Leeds fans on their forum, most are happy to even be renamed Red Bull Leeds if it means getting back to the big time and the CL. A lot of fans are like drug addicts, they crave the highs and hate the lows. They need their fix and will get it whatever the price to satisfy their urge.

I think you're reading too much into message boards. Fans will boycott en masse and the game will implode, it's just a matter of when not if. On the continent the ultras are more organisationally equipped to act and the clubs treat them with respect.
People need to realise that passive obedience to people like Tan is just a green light for further changes. BU may atleast prevent further changes.

I think you're reading too much into message boards. Fans will boycott en masse and the game will implode,

Dream on. The Premier League is an entirely different kettle of fish to La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga as there is much more money in TV deals to be made.

it's just a matter of when not if. On the continent the ultras are more organisationally equipped to act and the clubs treat them with respect.

Also, clubs get a larger percentage of their income from fans so they have to respect them. The Premier League clubs dont as they get so much from Sky the fans barely matter any more and they can sacrifice quite a lot and still do ok.

People need to realise that passive obedience to people like Tan is just a green light for further changes.

Tan will do as he wants for as long as he is the shareholder keeping the club ticking over and the majority shareholder.

BU will atleast prevent further changes lol

No they won't. Surely this is a wind up attempt now to try and bring credence to your ever fading argument...

Tan makes a change ---- BU write a statement --- Tan says okay, goodbye and enjoy administration and find a new majority shareholder to keep you afloat - the club cant find anyone because of the debt so goes through - Tan leaves, makes up his money elsewhere and the club is fooked --- or the fans cry for him to stay and accept his changes as long as the club survives - Summer 2012 ring a bell?

Great idea. I love how you think you have all the answers when Tan is the one with all the aces.

I think you're reading too much into message boards. Fans will boycott en masse and the game will implode,

Dream on. The Premier League is an entirely different kettle of fish to La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga as there is much more money in TV deals to be made.

it's just a matter of when not if. On the continent the ultras are more organisationally equipped to act and the clubs treat them with respect.

Also, clubs get a larger percentage of their income from fans so they have to respect them. The Premier League clubs dont as they get so much from Sky the fans barely matter any more and they can sacrifice quite a lot and still do ok.

People need to realise that passive obedience to people like Tan is just a green light for further changes.

Tan will do as he wants for as long as he is the shareholder keeping the club ticking over and the majority shareholder.

BU will atleast prevent further changes lol

No they won't. Surely this is a wind up attempt now to try and bring credence to your ever fading argument...

Tan makes a change ---- BU write a statement --- Tan says okay, goodbye and enjoy administration and find a new majority shareholder to keep you afloat - the club cant find anyone because of the debt so goes through - Tan leaves, makes up his money elsewhere and the club is fooked --- or the fans cry for him to stay and accept his changes as long as the club survives - Summer 2012 ring a bell?

Great idea. I love how you think you have all the answers when Tan is the one with all the aces.

you seem to know how Tan thinks to the point of accurately forecasting future actions, do you know him?

you seem to know how Tan thinks to the point of accurately forecasting future actions, do you know him?

Of course not. You seem to think you know how Tan will respond to such things and BU are a force to be reckoned with which is quite laughable given a lot of our fans probably don't know they exist and a lot of those that do would rather not get involved with them. 6,000 or so signed the petition, what about the other 20,000 who turn up through the gate each week or do we just forget them and brand them plastics to suit your argument?

I based my future forecast on past events. Tan says he'll make a change, fans cry out they dont want it, Tan plays his trump card and the fans back down and accept his offer. The billionaire (millionaire for you Roathie ) businessman has won.

But of course our friend from down under knows better and it'll all be different this time because of Bluebirds Unite. Anyway, Roathie, I'll continue this debate with you another time as im off for a few pints near the seafront.

Barnetts beating everyones brains out on this thread.

I love a good mathematical argument though he pinched the season ticket revenue argument from me

Barnetts beating everyones brains out on this thread.

I love a good mathematical argument though he pinched the season ticket revenue argument from me

I dont really think it would appeal to SKY anymore if stadiums were empty

Barnetts beating everyones brains out on this thread.

I love a good mathematical argument though he pinched the season ticket revenue argument from me

I dont really think it would appeal to SKY anymore if stadiums were empty

Clubs could just let people in for free if it meant filling up stadiums to keep the Sky cash cow happy.

Barnetts beating everyones brains out on this thread.

I love a good mathematical argument though he pinched the season ticket revenue argument from me

I didn't steal it from anyone. Its just great minds think alike Christian.

So an Asian (Bangladesh I think) buys a football club and once again wants to change history of a football club in this country in a hope that the 'Tiger' brand will generate interest in his native country.

Other sports have done name changes mainly because their sports as a whole have needed a boost of interest but not football surely.?

When all the talk that Tan could change the club name there where 'some' stating that the FA won't allow them to do it yet now the precedent has been set so this move must be a worry to any football fan whos club is owned by a foreign owner who has no respect for history of their club whatsoever.

Assem Allam is not Asian Adam and if he were to pick an animal from his "Native" country Hull City would now be known as the Hull Camels, or maybe the sphinz. Think of all that mythical power protecting theTiger.

One sensible thread!

So an Asian (Bangladesh I think) buys a football club and once again wants to change history of a football club in this country in a hope that the 'Tiger' brand will generate interest in his native country.

Other sports have done name changes mainly because their sports as a whole have needed a boost of interest but not football surely.?

When all the talk that Tan could change the club name there where 'some' stating that the FA won't allow them to do it yet now the precedent has been set so this move must be a worry to any football fan whos club is owned by a foreign owner who has no respect for history of their club whatsoever.

Assem Allam is not Asian Adam and if he were to pick an animal from his "Native" country Hull City would now be known as the Hull Camels, or maybe the sphinz. Think of all that mythical power protecting theTiger.

Egypt is also in Asia as well as Africa. Althrough the vast majoirty liesin Africa there is a part of Egypt which is in Asia

So an Asian (Bangladesh I think) buys a football club and once again wants to change history of a football club in this country in a hope that the 'Tiger' brand will generate interest in his native country.

Other sports have done name changes mainly because their sports as a whole have needed a boost of interest but not football surely.?

When all the talk that Tan could change the club name there where 'some' stating that the FA won't allow them to do it yet now the precedent has been set so this move must be a worry to any football fan whos club is owned by a foreign owner who has no respect for history of their club whatsoever.

I cant say I agree with you.

The Tigers has always been Hull City's nickname its just now being incorporated into their name, its not as if they have come up with a completely different name.

I find this more of another scaremongering tactic

Hull City have always been known as the tigers as far as im aware. Now instead of just a nickname theyve made it official

So an Asian (Bangladesh I think) buys a football club and once again wants to change history of a football club in this country in a hope that the 'Tiger' brand will generate interest in his native country.

Other sports have done name changes mainly because their sports as a whole have needed a boost of interest but not football surely.?

When all the talk that Tan could change the club name there where 'some' stating that the FA won't allow them to do it yet now the precedent has been set so this move must be a worry to any football fan whos club is owned by a foreign owner who has no respect for history of their club whatsoever.

Assem Allam is not Asian Adam and if he were to pick an animal from his "Native" country Hull City would now be known as the Hull Camels, or maybe the sphinz. Think of all that mythical power protecting theTiger.

Egypt is also in Asia as well as Africa. Althrough the vast majoirty liesin Africa there is a part of Egypt which is in Asia

still no tigers in Egypt though

I don't like the way all this is going to be honest - I see what these businessmen are doing, but I don't like the way it's going.

I'm not a footy romanticist who wants all grounds to be dilapidated and smelling of hot dogs, attendances to be around 3,000 and for all players to be British, but all this is taking he commercialisation of the game we love to a whole new level. We'll all sound like Ice Hockey teams and have cheerleaders at this rate...