Blue - or Sam back as chairman/active role??

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

If that was the 2 options I think it would unanimous for Blue, why would it be better that the crook would be in charge

If that was the 2 options I think it would unanimous for Blue, why would it be better that the crook would be in charge

Best of both worlds, surely?

not gonna happen

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

You like having your tradition changed without being asked? sorry but i don't like that .

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

You like having your tradition changed without being asked? sorry but i don't like that .

Im not a traditionalist and I welcome change if it is progressive.

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

You like having your tradition changed without being asked? sorry but i don't like that .

Im not a traditionalist and I welcome change if it is progressive.

That's your opion and as a fellow bluebird i accept it, But i'm afraid Tan doesn't care trwo fucks what you and i think. Are you happy with that?

Do you have any evidence that business will substantially increase with a premier league Cardiff?

there was a study done at Reading that found the increase in business around the city was only negligable.

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

You like having your tradition changed without being asked? sorry but i don't like that .

Im not a traditionalist and I welcome change if it is progressive.

That's your opion and as a fellow bluebird i accept it, But i'm afraid Tan doesn't care trwo fucks what you and i think. Are you happy with that?

Do you have any evidence that business will substantially increase with a premier league Cardiff?

there was a study done at Reading that found the increase in business around the city was only negligable.

Of course Premier League football benefits the city as a whole. You only have to look at Swansea City as an example:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-20895147

Promotion has been worth more than £57 million to their local economy. I assume it will be worth more to Cardiff as more fans are likely to stay for the weekend.

With the regards to Vincent Tan not caring about us. At the end of the day it is his company, he puts the money in and therefore he is entitled to making the decisions. Were just the stakeholder.

So it doesn't matter that Tan couldn't care about your opinion.


That survey is flawed, using anecdotal evidence ahead of hard scientific fact. With ONLY a few hundred jobs being created. here is the key quote.

"Information was provided by the club itself and supporters who completed surveys at the end of last season about their spending patterns."

Would you Let Tan move the club to Kuala Lumpur if he promised to create 400 jobs in Cardiff?

So it doesn't matter that Tan couldn't care about your opinion.


That survey is flawed, using anecdotal evidence ahead of hard scientific fact. With ONLY a few hundred jobs being created. here is the key quote.

"Information was provided by the club itself and supporters who completed surveys at the end of last season about their spending patterns."

Would you Let Tan move the club to Kuala Lumpur if he promised to create 400 jobs in Cardiff?

That is a ridiculous question to ask. How many football chairman listen to what the fans say ? Football clubs are no longer only football clubs but large brands and companies. Tan is the man putting in the money and he has taken us from the Championship to the Premier League under his guidance. He has cleared many of our historical debts, improved our academy, stadium, plans for a new training ground and to increase the stadium capacity. I always want the best for Cardiff City and we certainly have progressed massively under Tan.

And that research was actually conducted by Cardiff University.

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

Ridiculous statement. The man came in and changed the Clubs badge and the Clubs colours without
having the decency to just sit down with the paying customer and explaining why, or asking them
their opinion. By any standard his behaviour was disrespectful. Whether you are pro red or anti red
he was wrong to do it the WAY he did

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

Ridiculous statement. The man came in and changed the Clubs badge and the Clubs colours without
having the decency to just sit down with the paying customer and explaining why, or asking them
their opinion. By any standard his behaviour was disrespectful. Whether you are pro red or anti red
he was wrong to do it the WAY he did

It is really a matter of opinion. You cannot speak for everybody. The way I see it is Tan is the man backing the club he is the man funding the money. Therefore I believe he has the right to do whatever he believes will be progressive for the club. Regardless of whether you agree with what he does it is his right. He has taken this club forward and I dont feel disrespected.

So it doesn't matter that Tan couldn't care about your opinion.


That survey is flawed, using anecdotal evidence ahead of hard scientific fact. With ONLY a few hundred jobs being created. here is the key quote.

"Information was provided by the club itself and supporters who completed surveys at the end of last season about their spending patterns."

Would you Let Tan move the club to Kuala Lumpur if he promised to create 400 jobs in Cardiff?

That is a ridiculous question to ask.

How many football chairman listen to what the fans say ?

Football clubs are no longer only football clubs but large brands and companies. Tan is the man putting in the money and he has taken us from the Championship to the Premier League under his guidance. He has cleared many of our historical debts, improved our academy, stadium, plans for a new training ground and to increase the stadium capacity. I always want the best for Cardiff City and we certainly have progressed massively under Tan.

And that research was actually conducted by Cardiff University.

Comparing Tan to other chairman is bonkers, How many chairman have changed the kit and badge removing the clubs identity away from them? very few?

He hasn't cleared the debt, will he ever clear the debt or just move it into a different name? can you answer?

That research could've been conducted at Oxford university it is based on asking 'jacks' to tell them how much they have spent. They are hardly going to answer ' f**k all mun, i'm brassick and my wife has left me'.....It's not a scientific survey.
Are you sure your main motivation is the glory of seeing big players hammer Tans mickey mouse club every week?

So it doesn't matter that Tan couldn't care about your opinion.


That survey is flawed, using anecdotal evidence ahead of hard scientific fact. With ONLY a few hundred jobs being created. here is the key quote.

"Information was provided by the club itself and supporters who completed surveys at the end of last season about their spending patterns."

Would you Let Tan move the club to Kuala Lumpur if he promised to create 400 jobs in Cardiff?

That is a ridiculous question to ask.

How many football chairman listen to what the fans say ?

Football clubs are no longer only football clubs but large brands and companies. Tan is the man putting in the money and he has taken us from the Championship to the Premier League under his guidance. He has cleared many of our historical debts, improved our academy, stadium, plans for a new training ground and to increase the stadium capacity. I always want the best for Cardiff City and we certainly have progressed massively under Tan.

And that research was actually conducted by Cardiff University.

Comparing Tan to other chairman is bonkers, How many chairman have changed the kit and badge removing the clubs identity away from them? very few?

He hasn't cleared the debt, will he ever clear the debt or just move it into a different name? can you answer?

That research could've been conducted at Oxford university it is based on asking 'jacks' to tell them how much they have spent. They are hardly going to answer ' f**k all mun, i'm brassick and my wife has left me'.....It's not a scientific survey.
Are you sure your main motivation is the glory of seeing big players hammer Tans mickey mouse club every week?

You can come up with as many assumptions on what my motivation is as you like. However, I have been watching Cardiff since we were in Division 3 and for over 15 years. My main motivation is the progression and survival of Cardiff City. As I have already mentioned Im not much of a traditionalist and therefore dont hold as much affinity with the color of our club as much as others may. Obviously though I would prefer us playing in blue.

As for Tan clearing the debt. None of us can answer that. Tan promised to make us debt free by paying off all historical debts and then swapping debt to equity. He has cleared many historical debts including Langston and we have to wait to see if the debt to equity is done.

Find me a more accurate study than the Cardiff University one then if your so sceptical. Being a University student myself I know that any study conducted by a University has to conduct reliable results otherwise they would not publish the results.

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

Ridiculous statement. The man came in and changed the Clubs badge and the Clubs colours without
having the decency to just sit down with the paying customer and explaining why, or asking them
their opinion. By any standard his behaviour was disrespectful. Whether you are pro red or anti red
he was wrong to do it the WAY he did

It is really a matter of opinion. You cannot speak for everybody. The way I see it is Tan is the man backing the club he is the man funding the money. Therefore I believe he has the right to do whatever he believes will be progressive for the club. Regardless of whether you agree with what he does it is his right. He has taken this club forward and I dont feel disrespected.

if you did feel disrespected about something you felt passionately about, what would you do?

So it doesn't matter that Tan couldn't care about your opinion.


That survey is flawed, using anecdotal evidence ahead of hard scientific fact. With ONLY a few hundred jobs being created. here is the key quote.

"Information was provided by the club itself and supporters who completed surveys at the end of last season about their spending patterns."

Would you Let Tan move the club to Kuala Lumpur if he promised to create 400 jobs in Cardiff?

That is a ridiculous question to ask.

How many football chairman listen to what the fans say ?

Football clubs are no longer only football clubs but large brands and companies. Tan is the man putting in the money and he has taken us from the Championship to the Premier League under his guidance. He has cleared many of our historical debts, improved our academy, stadium, plans for a new training ground and to increase the stadium capacity. I always want the best for Cardiff City and we certainly have progressed massively under Tan.

And that research was actually conducted by Cardiff University.

Comparing Tan to other chairman is bonkers, How many chairman have changed the kit and badge removing the clubs identity away from them? very few?

He hasn't cleared the debt, will he ever clear the debt or just move it into a different name? can you answer?

That research could've been conducted at Oxford university it is based on asking 'jacks' to tell them how much they have spent. They are hardly going to answer ' f**k all mun, i'm brassick and my wife has left me'.....It's not a scientific survey.
Are you sure your main motivation is the glory of seeing big players hammer Tans mickey mouse club every week?

You can come up with as many assumptions on what my motivation is as you like.

You have mentioned the glory side of things on numerous occassions, using your own messages as evidence, the glory takes precedence over having your culture and voice heard.

However, I have been watching Cardiff since we were in Division 3 and for over 15 years. My main motivation is the progression and survival of Cardiff City.

You clearly see progression soley as winning football matches, which again is the glory hunter mentality you objected To. For me the German FA have a 'progressive' vision of football and it's based around local identity and fan voice. Tans method would damage football culture if replicated around the globe, so can it genuinely be regarded as 'progressive'

As I have already mentioned Im not much of a traditionalist and therefore dont hold as much affinity with the color of our club as much as others may. Obviously though I would prefer us playing in blue.
As for Tan clearing the debt. None of us can answer that. Tan promised to make us debt free by paying off all historical debts and then swapping debt to equity. He has cleared many historical debts including Langston and we have to wait to see if the debt to equity is done.

He hasn't sorted the debt, as you suggested earlier .

Find me a more accurate study than the Cardiff University one then if your so sceptical. Being a University student myself I know that any study conducted by a University has to conduct reliable results otherwise they would not publish the results.

Anecdotel questionaires in the nature of the study cited are notouriously innaccurate because people lie or exageratte their spending power. I'm a psychologist and my profession is derided because we act on anecdotal evidence as we can not read peoples minds. Universities always produce flawed studies. It's not meant to be the gospal truth.

Given what you've typed Do you think my assumption that you're being glory supporter is unfair?

Of course progression is about having greater results. However it is also built on other things such as financial security. The standard of our facilities. Im not motivated by success but I would for sure prefer to be watching Cardiff in the Premier League than in league 2. I remember going to places like Kidderminster on a cold Tuesday night and losing. I dont want those days to return one bit. So no I am not a 'glory supporter' as I would never have started supporting Cardiff when I did if I was. I just prefer success over a lack of success, who doesnt?

And before you say I prefer success over our pride and identity. I have mentioned before Im not much of a traditionalist so things like color dont mean too much to me but I do appreciate they will mean more to other people.

Of course progression is about having greater results. However it is also built on other things such as financial security. The standard of our facilities. Im not motivated by success but I would for sure prefer to be watching Cardiff in the Premier League than in league 2. I remember going to places like Kidderminster on a cold Tuesday night and losing. I dont want those days to return one bit. So no I am not a 'glory supporter' as I would never have started supporting Cardiff when I did if I was. I just prefer success over a lack of success, who doesnt?

And before you say I prefer success over our pride and identity. I have mentioned before Im not much of a traditionalist so things like color dont mean too much to me but I do appreciate they will mean more to other people.

Again, Progression means not being listened too and disrespected? strange chap.

I think you are a glory fan mate as you have cited results and sucess on the pitch as your motivation. To the point that you would accept having your identity erased. sorry but i find this peculiar, football is a celebration of who you are and what you are about as a cardiff fan. Why don't you support real madrid if tradition and identity mean nothing?

Of course progression is about having greater results. However it is also built on other things such as financial security. The standard of our facilities. Im not motivated by success but I would for sure prefer to be watching Cardiff in the Premier League than in league 2. I remember going to places like Kidderminster on a cold Tuesday night and losing. I dont want those days to return one bit. So no I am not a 'glory supporter' as I would never have started supporting Cardiff when I did if I was. I just prefer success over a lack of success, who doesnt?

And before you say I prefer success over our pride and identity. I have mentioned before Im not much of a traditionalist so things like color dont mean too much to me but I do appreciate they will mean more to other people.

Again, Progression means not being listened too and disrespected? strange chap.

I think you are a glory fan mate as you have cited results and sucess on the pitch as your motivation. To the point that you would accept having your identity erased. sorry but i find this peculiar, football is a celebration of who you are and what you are about as a cardiff fan. Why don't you support real madrid if tradition and identity mean nothing?

Sounds like you cant accept that others dont agree with you. I told you, Im not a traditionalist. Colors mean nothing more than a color to me. Supporting Cardiff City means more than a color it is a celebration of where I am from.

If you are trying to suggest that we havent made progression as a football club then you are completely deluded to be honest I can see what you are saying about the German approach and that there are other methods of progression but again to suggest we havent progressed is madness and I have nothing to add to this debate as it is clear that we have progressed.

I can accept you are a traditionalist and can understand why but you should be able to understand that tradition doesnt mean something to everybody. The irony is over the past 15 years you wont have been to more games than me so to brand me a 'glory' fan is ridiculous and I can only laugh at you for that. However, Im not looking to turn this into a point scoring debate about 'who is the best fan' just appreciate not everybody agrees with you and not everybody shares your morals and beliefs.

Of course progression is about having greater results. However it is also built on other things such as financial security. The standard of our facilities. Im not motivated by success but I would for sure prefer to be watching Cardiff in the Premier League than in league 2. I remember going to places like Kidderminster on a cold Tuesday night and losing. I dont want those days to return one bit. So no I am not a 'glory supporter' as I would never have started supporting Cardiff when I did if I was. I just prefer success over a lack of success, who doesnt?

And before you say I prefer success over our pride and identity. I have mentioned before Im not much of a traditionalist so things like color dont mean too much to me but I do appreciate they will mean more to other people.

Again, Progression means not being listened too and disrespected? strange chap.

I think you are a glory fan mate as you have cited results and sucess on the pitch as your motivation. To the point that you would accept having your identity erased. sorry but i find this peculiar, football is a celebration of who you are and what you are about as a cardiff fan. Why don't you support real madrid if tradition and identity mean nothing?

Sounds like you cant accept that others dont agree with you. I told you, Im not a traditionalist. Colors mean nothing more than a color to me. Supporting Cardiff City means more than a color it is a celebration of where I am from.

I can accept you are a traditionalist and can understand why but you should be able to understand that tradition doesnt mean something to everybody. The irony is over the past 15 years you wont have been to more games than me so to brand me a 'glory' fan is ridiculous and I can only laugh at you for that. However, Im not looking to turn this into a point scoring debate about 'who is the best fan' just appreciate not everybody agrees with you and not everybody shares your morals and beliefs.

I definately accept we dont agree , But you can't accept that your view is peculiar and alien in the world of football and probably life in general. You definately seem to be a fan of democracy and everybody having their say, but when it comes to this issue, you don't mind being disrespected and ignored. Seems like you are foregoing principles you believe in for some reflected glory on a football pitch.
You may have been to more games than me but

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

You like having your tradition changed without being asked? sorry but i don't like that .

Im not a traditionalist and I welcome change if it is progressive.

What evidence can you show me to say the change of colour has been progressive. The only spin off
from this that we know for fact is that shirt sales and merchandising sales are down

Sam? You mean the guy that implored us to follow Tan?

If Tan said we can have Blue back.

Or keep the red but Sam would come in as Chairman, run the Club day to day while
Tan just takes a back seat and oversees things from Malaysia.

Would anyone feel better about the red then?

New owner completely, someone who respects the local people, and we'd get one as a premier league club

Im local and dont feel as if Vincent Tan has disrespected me. I also dont think the many business men and women within Cardiff who are going to benefit from Premier League football and increased profits will feel disrespected neither. Nor the many local people who work for the club and thousands of other people who think like me.

Ridiculous statement. The man came in and changed the Clubs badge and the Clubs colours without
having the decency to just sit down with the paying customer and explaining why, or asking them
their opinion. By any standard his behaviour was disrespectful. Whether you are pro red or anti red
he was wrong to do it the WAY he did

Don't recall Sam Hammam discussing badge change with us when he gave us the copy of the Leeds badge.But that's all fine because it had a bluebird on it.
One season we didn't even have Cardiff City on the badge just bluebirds.

If Sam could've got away with all that Tan has he would have IMO.