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How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:06 pm

Young winger from United. I've been watching him playing on their pre-season tour and he looks like he will be a top player in a few years. He could be useful this season as a fill in for our right wing position. Would you take him or do you think we should sign someone with more Premier League experience?

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:10 pm

We need quality now, not in a few years mate.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:12 pm

CardiffBorn7 wrote:Young winger from United. I've been watching him playing on their pre-season tour and he looks like he will be a top player in a few years. He could be useful this season as a fill in for our right wing position. Would you take him or do you think we should sign someone with more Premier League experience?


Yeah go on then if you're offering

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:12 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:We need quality now, not in a few years mate.


The same could have been said about Romelu Lukaku at West Brom last season, and look how well he did for them.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:13 pm

Inexperienced. We need players with games behind them, players who can adapt to different situations. That's the mistake Hull made, they signed Manucho and went down. All about experience and quality, not potential

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:15 pm

CardiffBorn7 wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:We need quality now, not in a few years mate.


The same could have been said about Romelu Lukaku at West Brom last season, and look how well he did for them.

Lukaku and Januzaj are on a whole different wave length. Lukaku was already playing first team football

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:15 pm

Cult of Personality wrote:Inexperienced. We need players with games behind them, players who can adapt to different situations. That's the mistake Hull made, they signed Manucho and went down. All about experience and quality, not potential


Fair point, but I think it is about doing it in the right areas. If you sign an inexperienced CB or ST it tends to show. A young winger with flair mixed with other experienced signings elsewhere on the pitch could prove to be an effective blend.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:17 pm

Cult of Personality wrote:
CardiffBorn7 wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:We need quality now, not in a few years mate.


The same could have been said about Romelu Lukaku at West Brom last season, and look how well he did for them.

Lukaku and Januzaj are on a whole different wave length. Lukaku was already playing first team football


Not for Chelsea? Unless you are referring to two seasons before in the Belgian League?

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:18 pm

Cult of Personality wrote:Inexperienced. We need players with games behind them, players who can adapt to different situations. That's the mistake Hull made, they signed Manucho and went down. All about experience and quality, not potential


Nonsense experience is irrelevant. Ability is what we need. Alan Hansen's quote of 'youll never win anything with kids' springs to mind - United went on to win the Premier League that season.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:24 pm

Lukaku had experience in a very appreciated league in Europe and one of the leagues to watch in terms of developing talent. That's why he was brought in to Chelsea.

Experience is everything with a loan. Lukaku had top experience when you compare him to your average Albion player which is why it was worth taking him on loan.

We should be taking loans to patch areas, not as long term solutions.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:30 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:Lukaku had experience in a very appreciated league in Europe and one of the leagues to watch in terms of developing talent. That's why he was brought in to Chelsea.

Experience is everything with a loan. Lukaku had top experience when you compare him to your average Albion player which is why it was worth taking him on loan.

We should be taking loans to patch areas, not as long term solutions.


Top experience? He played 70 odd games for Anderlecht in the Belgium league which is significantly weaker than the Premier League and only a handful of games for Chelsea.

The majority of WBA squad have had seasons of experience in the Premier League.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:35 pm

bluedragons wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:Lukaku had experience in a very appreciated league in Europe and one of the leagues to watch in terms of developing talent. That's why he was brought in to Chelsea.

Experience is everything with a loan. Lukaku had top experience when you compare him to your average Albion player which is why it was worth taking him on loan.

We should be taking loans to patch areas, not as long term solutions.


Top experience? He played 70 odd games for Anderlecht in the Belgium league which is significantly weaker than the Premier League and only a handful of games for Chelsea.

The majority of WBA squad have had seasons of experience in the Premier League.


He's played in Europe FFS, something most Albion players can only dream of. You're living in dream world if you think the Premier League is the be all and end all. It's not even the best league in Europe. Take the blinkers off.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:45 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:
bluedragons wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:Lukaku had experience in a very appreciated league in Europe and one of the leagues to watch in terms of developing talent. That's why he was brought in to Chelsea.

Experience is everything with a loan. Lukaku had top experience when you compare him to your average Albion player which is why it was worth taking him on loan.

We should be taking loans to patch areas, not as long term solutions.


Top experience? He played 70 odd games for Anderlecht in the Belgium league which is significantly weaker than the Premier League and only a handful of games for Chelsea.

The majority of WBA squad have had seasons of experience in the Premier League.


He's played in Europe FFS, something most Albion players can only dream of. You're living in dream world if you think the Premier League is the be all and end all. It's not even the best league in Europe. Take the blinkers off.


Are you trying to suggest that a player with less than 90 games to his name before signing for WBA has more experience than a player with over that amount of appearances in the premier league alone. Never mind the fact that the majority of their squad are internationals.

The Premier League is a complete different playing field to the Belgian First Division which is why you rarely see a Belgian club advance to the later stages of any European competition.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:54 pm

Januzaj has already said he has no interest in leaving United on loan this season and wants to fight for a starting place.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:08 pm

bluedragons wrote:
Are you trying to suggest that a player with less than 90 games to his name before signing for WBA has more experience than a player with over that amount of appearances in the premier league alone. Never mind the fact that the majority of their squad are internationals.

The Premier League is a complete different playing field to the Belgian First Division which is why you rarely see a Belgian club advance to the later stages of any European competition.


Nonsense. The Belgian international team will go further than England and the players are doing just fine over here at the top clubs. Its a hot spot for talent and has been for years which is why clubs are happy to give them opportunities.

European competition has sod all to do with the strength of a domestic league other than seeding. If thats the case then when Porto won the CL then the Portuguese League was obviously of higher standard than most, not forgetting Monaco were also in that final. Its much more about luck and performance on the day than any links to domestic competition.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:13 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:
bluedragons wrote:
Are you trying to suggest that a player with less than 90 games to his name before signing for WBA has more experience than a player with over that amount of appearances in the premier league alone. Never mind the fact that the majority of their squad are internationals.

The Premier League is a complete different playing field to the Belgian First Division which is why you rarely see a Belgian club advance to the later stages of any European competition.


Nonsense. The Belgian international team will go further than England and the players are doing just fine over here at the top clubs. Its a hot spot for talent and has been for years which is why clubs are happy to give them opportunities.

European competition has sod all to do with the strength of a domestic league other than seeding. If thats the case then when Porto won the CL then the Portuguese League was obviously of higher standard than most, not forgetting Monaco were also in that final. Its much more about luck and performance on the day than any links to domestic competition.


The majority of Belgiums international team doesnt play in Belgium. So to use their national squad as a reflection of their league is invalid.

And again generally the worlds top clubs are the ones who are most succesful in Europe. There is always going to be a season where an underdog does well, but generally the better clubs are the most successful. You also used the fact that Lukaku had played in Europe means he has more experience, I think he played again only handful of European matches so not that much European experience.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:20 pm

Actually lost for words regarding the Lukaku debate. Wow. He was brought in at such a young age for Anderlecht and the international team is ever-improving with such a wide range of talent to choose from. Lukaku had experience, Januzaj doesn't. Hence why Chelsea splashed out that much but loaned him to West Brom for EXPERIENCE

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:33 pm

bluedragons wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:
bluedragons wrote:
Are you trying to suggest that a player with less than 90 games to his name before signing for WBA has more experience than a player with over that amount of appearances in the premier league alone. Never mind the fact that the majority of their squad are internationals.

The Premier League is a complete different playing field to the Belgian First Division which is why you rarely see a Belgian club advance to the later stages of any European competition.


Nonsense. The Belgian international team will go further than England and the players are doing just fine over here at the top clubs. Its a hot spot for talent and has been for years which is why clubs are happy to give them opportunities.

European competition has sod all to do with the strength of a domestic league other than seeding. If thats the case then when Porto won the CL then the Portuguese League was obviously of higher standard than most, not forgetting Monaco were also in that final. Its much more about luck and performance on the day than any links to domestic competition.


The majority of Belgiums international team doesnt play in Belgium. So to use their national squad as a reflection of their league is invalid.

And again generally the worlds top clubs are the ones who are most succesful in Europe. There is always going to be a season where an underdog does well, but generally the better clubs are the most successful. You also used the fact that Lukaku had played in Europe means he has more experience, I think he played again only handful of European matches so not that much European experience.


You do realise the Belgian Premier League ( The Belgian Jupiler League I think it's called) produces some of the best European talent right? I think that was the point the poster was trying to make.

Plus, with the young crop of talent the league is producing, I can see the Belgian league getting better and better.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:11 pm

bluedragons wrote:
The majority of Belgiums international team doesnt play in Belgium. So to use their national squad as a reflection of their league is invalid.


They started in Belgium most of them thus implying it has a good youth set up. Why do you think Manchester United have links with Antwerp?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... paul-doyle

And again generally the worlds top clubs are the ones who are most succesful in Europe. There is always going to be a season where an underdog does well, but generally the better clubs are the most successful. You also used the fact that Lukaku had played in Europe means he has more experience, I think he played again only handful of European matches so not that much European experience.


A few games in Europe eclipses Premier League experience sorry.

Re: How about Adnan Januzaj on loan?

Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:12 pm

Cult of Personality wrote:Actually lost for words regarding the Lukaku debate. Wow. He was brought in at such a young age for Anderlecht and the international team is ever-improving with such a wide range of talent to choose from. Lukaku had experience, Januzaj doesn't. Hence why Chelsea splashed out that much but loaned him to West Brom for EXPERIENCE


Amen. Sanity prevails. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: