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Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:47 am

What does a medical consist of? How do you pass/fail a medical and are they compulsory?
After seeing that Charlie Austin failed his at Hull it really makes me wonder how a footballer who trains everyday can fail a medical?

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:50 am

The first part of the medical will be undertaken by the club doctor, who will ascertain the player's medical history during the subjective examination. In the case of a foreign player, it may be necessary for the player's agent and/or interpreter to be present.

The club doctor will check for any previous significant illnesses and ask if the player has had any operations in the past. In addition, the doctor will check the family history of the player, which may be indicative of hereditary conditions.

Apart from major illnesses or operations, the doctor will check for past sporting injuries, which should be recorded in the player's medical file, made available by the selling club. This will give a picture of how often the player has missed training or matches and if the player has had any recurrent injuries such as hamstring strains or ankle sprains.

The subjective examination is followed by a thorough physical examination of all muscles and joints. The doctor and physiotherapist will assess the range of motion in each joint and compare it with the normal values. Some football clubs use isokinetic devices which give an indication of muscle strength. Some conditions can reveal themselves due to characteristic readouts from this machine.

Once the musculoskeletal system has been checked a more routine examination is undertaken, including checking height, weight, body fat, lung capacity, pulse rate and blood pressure. In addition vision, hearing and dental health are checked. An electrocardiogram (ECG) and echocardiogram are usually undertaken to rule out cardiac abnormalities.

The findings of the subjective and objective examinations will lead the doctor to order more specific diagnostic tests if required. For example, if the player has had a previous surgical reconstruction of an anterior cruciate ligament rupture, and there is laxity in the joint when it is examined, it may be necessary to have a repeat MRI scan of the affected knee to check its integrity. Or, if the player has complained of not feeling well in the past, the doctor may order blood tests.

If a problem arises, it may be necessary to refer the player on to a consultant, who can assess the player and advise the buying club on his medical status and prognosis. These supposedly routine examinations take three days, since the buying club must arrange for the player to see the consultant and have diagnostic tests at very short notice. It is not simply a case of opening the player's mouth and getting him to say "aagh"!


http://www.physioroom.com/news/featured ... dicals.php

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:53 am

NathanCF wrote:What does a medical consist of? How do you pass/fail a medical and are they compulsory?
After seeing that Charlie Austin failed his at Hull it really makes me wonder how a footballer who trains everyday can fail a medical?


Could be a multitude of reasons. Austin may well have passed his last medical when he got his last contract but he could
have damaged tendons/ligaments/respiratory problems/blood disorders since then. its a worry for him too because next time
he tries to renegotiate a contract with his own Club he could have problems.

Put simply. You may have bad blood pressure. You could carry on working in a stressful job for 30 years. But getting you
insured to do that job might be difficult. and footballers are expensive assets

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:01 am

Thanks that's cleared it up for me :ayatollah:
If I remember right Austin was injured more than once this year

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:04 am

Some clubs look at a players medical history differently.

Demba Ba failed his medical at stoke before signing for West Ham.

Charlie Austin has a reoccurring shoulder problem. His shoulder has dislocated a number of times and he is heavily strapped up before games. Maybe Hull think it is too risky to spend this sort of money if he could be injured for part of their season. Money better spent else where.

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:07 am

NathanCF wrote:What does a medical consist of? How do you pass/fail a medical and are they compulsory?
After seeing that Charlie Austin failed his at Hull it really makes me wonder how a footballer who trains everyday can fail a medical?


Some good info in this thread about what TRULY! goes out in a medical :lol:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=103008

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:08 am

Don't think it was anything to do with fitness, Hull must have known about his shoulder problem.

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:41 pm

There are varying factors that different clubs use in their medicals but the core tests are highlighted above.

The Demba Ba example is a good one and Austin may well pass a medical elsewhere like Ba. Some of it comes down to the clubs insurance policies and whether an injury to that player post medical will be covered. There are instances of players not being covered by an insurance and it becoming hugely expensive for a club, Steven Gerrard is a good example when he had a recurring back injury it was found to be a dental problem affeting his nerves and this was done privately and not under the clubs insurance they will have had on him.

There are instances of players failing medicals at one club for bad eyesight and passing another clubs medical without glasses/contacts etc. This is because a clubs insurance could stipulate a certain type of eyesight defect will nulify an injury claim because the player, the company can argue, was not well enough sighted to prevent an injury from a tackle etc. I know for a fact this has caused Nottingham Forest to turn a player down at the medical stage, without being prepared to name anybody I have an in-law who is used for Forest as part of their medical examination team.

To sign a player who does not fully comply to a medical standard like Demba Ba may have or Austin may have is a gamble. I would imagine Hull do not want to make the gamble and have to pay huge fees for him if his injury recurs and is not then covered for the kind of care the club will want him to take (and player and agent can demand is provided).

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:44 pm

Hes dislocated his shoulder three times in three years hence hes failed the medical.

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:48 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:Hes dislocated his shoulder three times in three years hence hes failed the medical.


Bruce said it was a problem with his knee

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:22 pm

NathanCF wrote:What does a medical consist of? How do you pass/fail a medical and are they compulsory?
After seeing that Charlie Austin failed his at Hull it really makes me wonder how a footballer who trains everyday can fail a medical?



Some clubs insist on giving you the dirty cough test.
in some cases, this can be a finger up the arse from a female physio or
mostly the ram of a blunt end of a corner flag.

This is where some medicals fail - as the player can go 'weak at the knee'
if he subsequently falls over - then the knee is not stong enough.

Hope that covers the medical question

cheers :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:23 pm

Aramore wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Hes dislocated his shoulder three times in three years hence hes failed the medical.


Bruce said it was a problem with his knee


Theyve edited the article, it said shoulder earlier. Rubbish reporting from Sky.

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:26 pm

Mario Polotelli wrote:
Aramore wrote:
Mario Polotelli wrote:Hes dislocated his shoulder three times in three years hence hes failed the medical.


Bruce said it was a problem with his knee


Theyve edited the article, it said shoulder earlier. Rubbish reporting from Sky.


I think the shoulder stuff was speculation before Steve Bruce had made a proper statement

As you say though. Poor from Sky

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:59 pm

eddiep wrote:
NathanCF wrote:What does a medical consist of? How do you pass/fail a medical and are they compulsory?
After seeing that Charlie Austin failed his at Hull it really makes me wonder how a footballer who trains everyday can fail a medical?



Some clubs insist on giving you the dirty cough test.
in some cases, this can be a finger up the arse from a female physio or
mostly the ram of a blunt end of a corner flag.

This is where some medicals fail - as the player can go 'weak at the knee'
if he subsequently falls over - then the knee is not stong enough.

Hope that covers the medical question

cheers :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Think i just pissed myself reading that! QUALITY!

Re: Medicals

Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:07 pm

I have had a medical, not bad and all part of a transfer. :ayatollah:

Re: Medicals

Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:12 am

NathanCF wrote:What does a medical consist of? How do you pass/fail a medical and are they compulsory?
After seeing that Charlie Austin failed his at Hull it really makes me wonder how a footballer who trains everyday can fail a medical?


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Re: Medicals

Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:25 am

DandoCCFC wrote:I have had a medical, not bad and all part of a transfer. :ayatollah:


STD ,what have you been up to Dando :shock:

Re: Medicals

Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:09 pm

Xcasual wrote:
DandoCCFC wrote:I have had a medical, not bad and all part of a transfer. :ayatollah:


STD ,what have you been up to Dando :shock:


Nothing, had one before with Roma when I went there on loan.