Excellent blog from TOBW/Paul Evans on BU site

Very revealing insight into Scarfgate


A More Reluctant Red

June 26th 2013

In the first of a regular series of guest blog posts, Paul Evans, a City supporter for 50 years (Newcastle’s visit on 5th October marks the half century since he watched his first game at Ninian Park) – tells of how, after reluctantly accepting the kit change, he has become increasingly anti red in his views, with what’s become known as “Scarfgate” playing the biggest part in this change of attitude. A regular and accomplished writer, Paul’s blog Mauve and Yellow Army has been reporting on the club for nearly four years. It can be found at http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/

These are Paul’s views and do not necessarily relect those of Bluebirds Unite.

A more reluctant red (26/06/13)

Nearly fourteen months ago City’s lost cause of a second leg Play Off Semi Final at West Ham brought to an end their 2011/12 campaign, but the news which broke just before kick off completely dominated the aftermath of the game and the weeks which followed it. In fact, even a summer which saw the sort of transfer spending which most of us could only have dreamed about and a winter that ended with City well on their way to their first promotion to the top flight in fifty four years could not stop the issue of Vincent Tan’s “re-branding” of the club casting something of a pall over what would have been a fabulous period in Cardiff City’s history.

Right from day one, the change to red and the reduction of the Bluebird to something of an afterthought was taking things way too far for some and they decided they would boycott matches even if it meant never watching their team again in their lives. Others were prepared to give City’s new look a try, but, probably just as they’d expected, soon decided watching opposing sides play in blue at Cardiff City Stadium wasn’t for them.

Now, although I’ve always had great respect for those who have stopped going to games, I’ve always thought that they had it easy in a way – they felt so strongly about the issue that their decision did not require much soul searching. However, for what I would say was a huge majority of supporters, they were faced with a real dilemma which, in all but a few cases, ended with them sticking with the club and so it was that the catch all term “reluctant red” came about.

That phrase certainly covered a multitude of sins with the degree of reluctance varying enormously in some cases and every one involved having their own tale to tell. Even though I say it myself, I’m pretty sure mine is an unusual one because, from a young age, I was recognised in my family as being someone for whom colours and visual images didn’t mean much – unless the kits concerned were as outlandish as the one my blog is named after or something like chocolate and amber, the various outfits Cardiff City have worn down the years have made little lasting impression on me.

Therefore, my initial response to the change to red was to be prepared to give the club the “benefit of the doubt”. Indeed, I’m sure I was regarded as a “pro red sell out” by many on the Cardiff City mad messageboard – I still might be for all I know.

Looking back, it seems like I posted hundreds, if not thousands, of messages as I got involved in online arguments about the change to red, but one in particular springs to mind for now – not because of what I meant at the time, but because of what it says about the thinking which drove the re-brand in the first place.

In an effort to show my general indifference to the colour we play in I said that if Cardiff City was my own personal plaything I might well decide to change the colours every season. I quickly added that I knew what I was saying was ridiculous and I only said it to illustrate my feelings, on one level at least, about the controversy which was causing so much angst amongst supporters.

It’s hard to believe I was so naive! I said the idea of someone using a football club to indulge themselves like that was ridiculous and yet, let’s face it, that’s exactly what’s been happening at Cardiff City for the last fourteen months! The notion that one person can ride roughshod over the feelings of so many at an entity which, when you think of the sort of profile it’s had since we reached the FA Cup Final in 2008, is now one of the first things people all over the world will think of when the word “Cardiff” is mentioned is nothing short of a disgrace.

Forget all of those no longer with us who saw Cardiff City gain promotion to the top flight in 1921, 1952 and 1960, who saw us at Wembley in 1925 and 1927 and who saw us beat Real Madrid in 1971 while we played in blue and white and just concentrate on those for whom the club means a lot in this day and age. I’m not just talking about those who go to games there or those who used to, but now boycott them – I’m talking about all of those people all over the world who make a mental note of how City got on in their last match and might remark about it to family or friends.

I reckon we might be talking about millions of people there and, deep down when they are being honest with themselves, how many of them are genuinely happy to see us playing in red and would not sanction a return to blue if it was in their power? Well, there’s Vincent Tan and maybe a few employees of the club – I’m struggling to think of anyone else after that!

In October it will be fifty years since I saw my first game and for the first forty eight of them I cannot ever remember hearing anyone say “you know, what this club really needs is to start playing in red shirts”!

This is why Bluebirds Unite has an important part to play in the coming months and years. Vincent Tan has the power to make arbitrary decisions which very few agree with, but the worldwide exposure Premier League football gives to the club can be exploited by supporters wanting to make peaceful protests about the changes that have been foisted on us. Bluebirds Unite appear to be best placed at present to co-ordinate such actions – they’ve made a great start and I wish them all the best in the future.

Tan bashing again.
your getting so predictable and boring its not true.

One of the worst sites I've seen. For a blog installation that is shocking seriously.

The creators do realise this is 2013 and there are other themes available dont they?

If you want to be taken seriously and have some credibility then surely the site should be professional....

I could do produce better in an hours work. Jesus.

Tan bashing again.
your getting so predictable and boring its not true.

I didn't write it but think that the guy who penned it makes some excellent points.

Tan bashing again.
your getting so predictable and boring its not true.

I didn't write it but think that the guy who penned it makes some excellent points.

you know what your doing.

Paul ( the other bob Wilson ) has always been a very good and informative writer and historian on all issues regarding Ccfc..

As for the presentation of the site, i find that of little importance compered to the thoughts and msgs within it.

Tan bashing again.
your getting so predictable and boring its not true.

I didn't write it but think that the guy who penned it makes some excellent points.

you know what your doing.

I do, indeed, I'm publicising an interesting piece of work that reflects the views of a number of people that i've spoken to over the past few months.

If you expect me to start extolling the virtues of VT then you'll have a long wait.

Enjoy your evening

Tan bashing again.
your getting so predictable and boring its not true.

I agree.. boring

Paul ( the other bob Wilson ) has always been a very good and informative writer and historian on all issues regarding Ccfc..

As for the presentation of the site, i find that of little importance compered to the thoughts and msgs within it.

Me too.

It's just a stick to beat BU with by the looks.

Only at Cardiff City could a group of fans who oppose the shredding of key parts of the clubs traditional identity, come in for so much criticism and - dare I say hate.

It's pretty shameful, in fact, it's a disgrace.

Its also a disgrace that a man who saved this Football Club is given so much abuse.

Its also a disgrace that a man who saved this Football Club is given so much abuse.

Abuse is always beyond the pale. Constructive criticism should always be acceptable.

Agreed.

I'd support Bluebirds Unite if they took a rational, logical and professional approach but yet again its done pathetically.

Against Modern Football banners - they claim they are not against modern football but pictures speak a thousand words. Why not tell those who come to meetings to put the flags away? Any professional entity would do so and not put the name of it at risk for the sake of one or a few persons idiocy. Lack of control I believe and therefore the message being sent out is all wrong.

The site lacks professionalism. It looks like it was put together by a moonlighting plumber. In fact, it probably was. Im not trying to hate but its hard when such obvious things are being neglected. Why would Tan take this serious when even some of the fans think its a joke? I was certain BU had elected members now so why aren't these showing some initiative and making the organisation look a respectable entity?

Time to get their act together and start acting like a professional organisation. How can such a group expect donations and sales if they're going to half heartedly attempt some of these things? The cause is a good one, of that I have no doubt, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. I wish them the best in their aims of restoring us to blue but a wake up call is needed.

If you're going to take this criticism in an offensive manner rather than constructive then so be it, thats your call, but you'll only have yourselves to blame when people turn against you and think its a joke like KCB.

So you won't support BU because they only have a basic website? Oh wow.

I'd support Bluebirds Unite if they took a rational, logical and professional approach but yet again its done pathetically.

Against Modern Football banners - they claim they are not against modern football but pictures speak a thousand words. Why not tell those who come to meetings to put the flags away? Any professional entity would do so and not put the name of it at risk for the sake of one or a few persons idiocy. Lack of control I believe and therefore the message being sent out is all wrong.

The site lacks professionalism. It looks like it was put together by a moonlighting plumber. In fact, it probably was. Im not trying to hate but its hard when such obvious things are being neglected. Why would Tan take this serious when even some of the fans think its a joke? I was certain BU had elected members now so why aren't these showing some initiative and making the organisation look a respectable entity?

Time to get their act together and start acting like a professional organisation. How can such a group expect donations and sales if they're going to half heartedly attempt some of these things? The cause is a good one, of that I have no doubt, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. I wish them the best in their aims of restoring us to blue but a wake up call is needed.

If you're going to take this criticism in an offensive manner rather than constructive then so be it, thats your call, but you'll only have yourselves to blame when people turn against you and think its a joke like KCB.

To be honest Barnett the more critical you get on anything the more the favour you are doing them.

From an individual who has gone from claiming anyone who is not pro blue is not a supporter, well founds Chuckles, to a person who now embraces the red well how can anyone take serious. As an individual myself who has got behind BU due to the fact I feel they are the only organisation making a serious and credible stand for the blue I honestly hope you don't join them. I'm all for welcoming anyone to BU but you Barnett are one of those people who would be too much of a risk to let in.

If BU want to be taken seriously by the mainstream then they will have to stop avoiding issues. All we hear is the same ramblings about "being stripped of our identity" etc. but nothing about how the club was going to survive and prosper without VT's money and visions.

They clasp at straws with nonsense about being in a strong position now CCFC are in the Premiership and that thousands have turned against VT since scarf gate.

If they ventured outside their little bubbles they would understand that whilst VT is stabilising the club and bringing outside investment into CCS he has the vast majority of fans on his side.

Then there is the petition which was signed by many fans including me in good faith which was then used as an excuse to hold a protest march at a high profile game next season. I didn't sign up for that and frankly I feel deceived by BU.

We all want a return to blue but not at the expense of putting the club in jeopardy. That is why the feeling towards BU is one of dislike and yes hate in some quarters. If only they waited for a better opportune time in the future they would have much more support and would enhance their chances of success.

ATM every time they put something out it is just another chapter in their long running suicide note. This article is no different.

I'd support Bluebirds Unite if they took a rational, logical and professional approach but yet again its done pathetically.

Against Modern Football banners - they claim they are not against modern football but pictures speak a thousand words. Why not tell those who come to meetings to put the flags away? Any professional entity would do so and not put the name of it at risk for the sake of one or a few persons idiocy. Lack of control I believe and therefore the message being sent out is all wrong.

The site lacks professionalism. It looks like it was put together by a moonlighting plumber. In fact, it probably was. Im not trying to hate but its hard when such obvious things are being neglected. Why would Tan take this serious when even some of the fans think its a joke? I was certain BU had elected members now so why aren't these showing some initiative and making the organisation look a respectable entity?

Time to get their act together and start acting like a professional organisation. How can such a group expect donations and sales if they're going to half heartedly attempt some of these things? The cause is a good one, of that I have no doubt, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. I wish them the best in their aims of restoring us to blue but a wake up call is needed.

If you're going to take this criticism in an offensive manner rather than constructive then so be it, thats your call, but you'll only have yourselves to blame when people turn against you and think its a joke like KCB.

I absolutely agree.

If BU want to be taken seriously by the mainstream then they will have to stop avoiding issues. All we hear is the same ramblings about "being stripped of our identity" etc. but nothing about how the club was going to survive and prosper without VT's money and visions.

If Tan walked then the worse that would have happened is we would have gone into admin. However Tan was never going to walk because there was too much to lose for him. Besides he has made it very clear he would leave us in good stead due to the fact he has a reputation to live up to. I'm exhausted trying to explain this to guys like yourself Tony.

They clasp at straws with nonsense about being in a strong position now CCFC are in the Premiership and that thousands have turned against VT since scarf gate.

If they ventured outside their little bubbles they would understand that whilst VT is stabilising the club and bringing outside investment into CCS he has the vast majority of fans on his side.

From what I am seeing there are a number of fans who are happy for Tan to bankroll the club at the expense of our proud traditions but are ready to stab him in the back when the time is right. Me, I would rather be true from the offset.

Then there is the petition which was signed by many fans including me in good faith which was then used as an excuse to hold a protest march at a high profile game next season. I didn't sign up for that and frankly I feel deceived by BU.

We all want a return to blue but not at the expense of putting the club in jeopardy. That is why the feeling towards BU is one of dislike and yes hate in some quarters. If only they waited for a better opportune time in the future they would have much more support and would enhance their chances of success.

The only dislike or hate I'm seeing are from those who have not stuck up for the blue whatsoever. Yes they want blue but are just sitting back and seeing what happens. Why is it I get the impression that this BU movement is touching a nerve with them

ATM every time they put something out it is just another chapter in their long running suicide note. This article is no different.

To be honest Barnett the more critical you get on anything the more the favour you are doing them.

We'll see. Tan doesn't seem to care that they exist. Speaks volumes. The site looks like it was made by someone with half a functioning brain and looks more like a bitter blog made by an idiot that an site to represent a professional entity.

From an individual who has gone from claiming anyone who is not pro blue is not a supporter, well founds Chuckles, to a person who now embraces the red well how can anyone take serious. As an individual myself who has got behind BU due to the fact I feel they are the only organisation making a serious and credible stand for the blue I honestly hope you don't join them. I'm all for welcoming anyone to BU but you Barnett are one of those people who would be too much of a risk to let in.

Im not pro blue, im not pro red. Im accepting the situation as it is for the time being as there is no true respectable group to get behind to return us to blue. Simple as that. KCB is a joke imo as are Bluebirds Unite. The vast majority of fans dont care for either and im in the majority of just going along with things. That I know.

I did say pro reds aren't real fans and I stand by that. What is wrong with that? A reluctant red is not a pro red, hence the terms pro and reluctant. Its really not hard to fathom. As for being let in, dont really have any wish to be let in. Tan wont take the group seriously as is and I know the 'democracy' line is nonsense and its controlled by a select few. We're not stupid. We know what is going on Baked. You seem to assume we are stupid and cant see the reality of the situation. You can cover up a turd as much as you like but the smell remains.

The problem is that BU like to criticise Tan but hypocritically dont like to be constructively criticised themselves. I did not say any pro blue is not a supporter. I said pro red. Stop surmising and making up things Baked to suit your agenda. Seems typical of the BU elect hence the lack of support. I stand by that statement. A pro red to me ain't a real fan and never will be a real fan. People can joke about things from either stance.

Any one with a logical thinking brain can see things from different viewpoints without necessarily agreeing with them. Nothing wrong with laughing and having a joke about a laughable situation we find ourselves in. Only the happy go lucky rugby fans who've now jumped on the bandwagon are pro reds. Reluctant reds are a different kettle of fish altogether and you know this. Reluctant reds dont want to be red but are putting up with the pain or whatever because they know its either that or Tan out. People can, as far as im concerned, shove their utopian dream of Tan returning us to blue up their arse.

Why is it the realists like alfie, dave sugarman and so on know Tan must go to get the identity back yet others dont? As already stated and I'll say it again, a true group that is going to fight properly and professionally for a return to blue I'll support, not join or become a member, this ain't cubs FFS and im not 5 years old, I will support. Whether thats making a site or giving out leaflets but forgive me for thinking the current situation is nothing more than pissing in the wind.

I think the issue is that people take what I, and others, say far too serious. Thats not our issue but a problem of their own. What is said on a forum isn't gospel, isn't a legally binding statement and doesn't have to be exactly how we feel.

Im a reluctant red, wanted Tan out at the beginning with Chuckles, but gave up after realising we were in the minority and most wanted Tan's £100m at any cost. Chuckles will continue to go on. He wont stop. That's his nature and as much as I think he is an argumentative b*stard he is a man who would see Tan out tomorrow for a return to blue. Ask him. I respect him for that even if it is blind optimism in some quarters.

Baked, you and the other members of BU will, as always is the case with groups affiliated with Cardiff City FC, do as you please. Its really not about tradition is it? I was 10 years old when I first saw arse holes at this club trying to use it to make a name for themselves. It hasn't stopped, even at this day in such dire times for our club. Its very sad. If thats your attitude then so be it but that puts in you in no position to preach about lack of support and so on when you are unwilling to listen to others. BU needs all the support it needs judging by the current collective opinion on the group. You seem unwilling to accept you are a vast minority even now. Your efforts so far are commendable.

You should also know, had you took any interest in said petition, that I signed it quite early on. Yes, im a reluctant red but I wish for a return to blue. Nothing wrong with that and I also stand by my statement 'pro reds aren't real fans'. If you cant accept that viewpoint then sorry but thats not my fault. I can reluctantly accept something but it doesn't mean I think its right. It's easier to take a mature approach, bide your time and strike at a time when it matters and you can savour more.

Tan has fans currently crying and sulking. It makes them look bad and hes winning. As these fans look bad by sulking, more side with him. This is just how it goes. Look how many turned their back on KCB. People are turning their back on BU. I hope for your sake you take notice. I highly suspect BU wont. It's the same old song and dance.

Im a reluctant red, wanted Tan out at the beginning with Chuckles, but gave up after realising we were in the minority and most wanted Tan's £100m at any cost. Chuckles will continue to go on. He wont stop. That's his nature and as much as I think he is an argumentative b*stard he is a man who would see Tan out tomorrow for a return to blue. Ask him. I respect him for that even if it is blind optimism in some quarters.

You are right James... You enjoy a good arguement yourself, mind.

I'd support Bluebirds Unite if they took a rational, logical and professional approach but yet again its done pathetically.

Against Modern Football banners - they claim they are not against modern football but pictures speak a thousand words. Why not tell those who come to meetings to put the flags away? Any professional entity would do so and not put the name of it at risk for the sake of one or a few persons idiocy. Lack of control I believe and therefore the message being sent out is all wrong.

The site lacks professionalism. It looks like it was put together by a moonlighting plumber. In fact, it probably was. Im not trying to hate but its hard when such obvious things are being neglected. Why would Tan take this serious when even some of the fans think its a joke? I was certain BU had elected members now so why aren't these showing some initiative and making the organisation look a respectable entity?

Time to get their act together and start acting like a professional organisation. How can such a group expect donations and sales if they're going to half heartedly attempt some of these things? The cause is a good one, of that I have no doubt, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. I wish them the best in their aims of restoring us to blue but a wake up call is needed.

If you're going to take this criticism in an offensive manner rather than constructive then so be it, thats your call, but you'll only have yourselves to blame when people turn against you and think its a joke like KCB.

To be honest Barnett the more critical you get on anything the more the favour you are doing them.

From an individual who has gone from claiming anyone who is not pro blue is not a supporter, well founds Chuckles, to a person who now embraces the red well how can anyone take serious. As an individual myself who has got behind BU due to the fact I feel they are the only organisation making a serious and credible stand for the blue I honestly hope you don't join them. I'm all for welcoming anyone to BU but you Barnett are one of those people who would be too much of a risk to let in.

Gone very quiet on the BU front at the moment are people on holidays or are they waiting for the X factor auditions to finish

Im a reluctant red, wanted Tan out at the beginning with Chuckles, but gave up after realising we were in the minority and most wanted Tan's £100m at any cost. Chuckles will continue to go on. He wont stop. That's his nature and as much as I think he is an argumentative b*stard he is a man who would see Tan out tomorrow for a return to blue. Ask him. I respect him for that even if it is blind optimism in some quarters.

You are right James... You enjoy a good arguement yourself, mind.

You are true. Every person who has any go in them likes an argument now and then. We can all profess to be know it alls, I've done it myself to entice others into arguments/debates but we live and learn every day. He who does nothing learns nothing. People need to be kept on their toes.

To be honest Barnett the more critical you get on anything the more the favour you are doing them.

We'll see. Tan doesn't seem to care that they exist. Speaks volumes. The site looks like it was made by someone with half a functioning brain and looks more like a bitter blog made by an idiot that an site to represent a professional entity.

From an individual who has gone from claiming anyone who is not pro blue is not a supporter, well founds Chuckles, to a person who now embraces the red well how can anyone take serious. As an individual myself who has got behind BU due to the fact I feel they are the only organisation making a serious and credible stand for the blue I honestly hope you don't join them. I'm all for welcoming anyone to BU but you Barnett are one of those people who would be too much of a risk to let in.

Im not pro blue, im not pro red. Im accepting the situation as it is for the time being as there is no true respectable group to get behind to return us to blue. Simple as that. KCB is a joke imo as are Bluebirds Unite. The vast majority of fans dont care for either and im in the majority of just going along with things. That I know.

I did say pro reds aren't real fans and I stand by that. What is wrong with that? A reluctant red is not a pro red, hence the terms pro and reluctant. Its really not hard to fathom. As for being let in, dont really have any wish to be let in. Tan wont take the group seriously as is and I know the 'democracy' line is nonsense and its controlled by a select few. We're not stupid. We know what is going on Baked. You seem to assume we are stupid and cant see the reality of the situation. You can cover up a turd as much as you like but the smell remains.

The problem is that BU like to criticise Tan but hypocritically dont like to be constructively criticised themselves. I did not say any pro blue is not a supporter. I said pro red. Stop surmising and making up things Baked to suit your agenda. Seems typical of the BU elect hence the lack of support. I stand by that statement. A pro red to me ain't a real fan and never will be a real fan. People can joke about things from either stance.

Any one with a logical thinking brain can see things from different viewpoints without necessarily agreeing with them. Nothing wrong with laughing and having a joke about a laughable situation we find ourselves in. Only the happy go lucky rugby fans who've now jumped on the bandwagon are pro reds. Reluctant reds are a different kettle of fish altogether and you know this. Reluctant reds dont want to be red but are putting up with the pain or whatever because they know its either that or Tan out. People can, as far as im concerned, shove their utopian dream of Tan returning us to blue up their arse.

Why is it the realists like alfie, dave sugarman and so on know Tan must go to get the identity back yet others dont? As already stated and I'll say it again, a true group that is going to fight properly and professionally for a return to blue I'll support, not join or become a member, this ain't cubs FFS and im not 5 years old, I will support. Whether thats making a site or giving out leaflets but forgive me for thinking the current situation is nothing more than pissing in the wind.

I think the issue is that people take what I, and others, say far too serious. Thats not our issue but a problem of their own. What is said on a forum isn't gospel, isn't a legally binding statement and doesn't have to be exactly how we feel.

Im a reluctant red, wanted Tan out at the beginning with Chuckles, but gave up after realising we were in the minority and most wanted Tan's £100m at any cost. Chuckles will continue to go on. He wont stop. That's his nature and as much as I think he is an argumentative b*stard he is a man who would see Tan out tomorrow for a return to blue. Ask him. I respect him for that even if it is blind optimism in some quarters.

Baked, you and the other members of BU will, as always is the case with groups affiliated with Cardiff City FC, do as you please. Its really not about tradition is it? I was 10 years old when I first saw arse holes at this club trying to use it to make a name for themselves. It hasn't stopped, even at this day in such dire times for our club. Its very sad. If thats your attitude then so be it but that puts in you in no position to preach about lack of support and so on when you are unwilling to listen to others. BU needs all the support it needs judging by the current collective opinion on the group. You seem unwilling to accept you are a vast minority even now. Your efforts so far are commendable.

You should also know, had you took any interest in said petition, that I signed it quite early on. Yes, im a reluctant red but I wish for a return to blue. Nothing wrong with that and I also stand by my statement 'pro reds aren't real fans'. If you cant accept that viewpoint then sorry but thats not my fault. I can reluctantly accept something but it doesn't mean I think its right. It's easier to take a mature approach, bide your time and strike at a time when it matters and you can savour more.

Tan has fans currently crying and sulking. It makes them look bad and hes winning. As these fans look bad by sulking, more side with him. This is just how it goes. Look how many turned their back on KCB. People are turning their back on BU. I hope for your sake you take notice. I highly suspect BU wont. It's the same old song and dance.

A vast minority, I would say 700 turning up at a pub on Tuesday night says opposite.

What gets me about people like you is that you just sit back content on letting Tan do what he wants. You want to be careful what you wish for because before you know it might just be too late. Tan might go and someone else move in and we could quite easily have a culture of red set in by then, well it will have settled in if we do nothing. A new owner might prefer blue which could quite easily raise a Keep Cardiff Red. You see what I am saying?

If BU want to be taken seriously by the mainstream then they will have to stop avoiding issues. All we hear is the same ramblings about "being stripped of our identity" etc. but nothing about how the club was going to survive and prosper without VT's money and visions.

Blimey Tony, as ever with your posts, it's difficult to know where to even start Ok, lets begin, what issues are BU avoiding? Be specific, be precise if you can.

As for ramblings about being stripped of our identity, I think it's fair to say that even those very much in the reluctant red camp would concede that at least part of the clubs identity has been stripped, although clearly other elements of the identity remain. As much as you, Tony BLUE Williams are clearly not that bothered, a significant number of fans still are and will continue to be pissed off about it.


They clasp at straws with nonsense about being in a strong position now CCFC are in the Premiership and that thousands have turned against VT since scarf gate.

Who has actually said or written that thousands have turned against VT since Scarfgate? Yes, clearly City fans are in a stronger position to have their voices heard due to the PL bounty. If red or dead was ever a reality, it certainly isn't now, although quite a number of City fans who want to see blue return also appear to want to see Tan blow all of the PL money on a few stellar signings which basically mean that we remain even more beholden to Tan. Think about it...

If they ventured outside their little bubbles they would understand that whilst VT is stabilising the club and bringing outside investment into CCS he has the vast majority of fans on his side.

Is a club with £100m of debt really stable? I'll concede though that the majority of fans are currently on side.

Then there is the petition which was signed by many fans including me in good faith which was then used as an excuse to hold a protest march at a high profile game next season. I didn't sign up for that and frankly I feel deceived by BU.

Deceived? Bloody hell. Get over yourself man out of interest what exactly have you got against an entirely peaceful protest? It's BU not the bloody EDL. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

We all want a return to blue but not at the expense of putting the club in jeopardy. That is why the feeling towards BU is one of dislike and yes hate in some quarters. If only they waited for a better opportune time in the future they would have much more support and would enhance their chances of success.

If they keep waiting for an opportune time, they'll wait for ever. As for other fans displaying hate to those who wish to peacefully oppose the rebrand, well, I think that probably says more them...[/[b]b] If you really want blue back, get off your backside and lead the way, show BU how to do it, steer them in the right direction

ATM every time they put something out it is just another chapter in their long running suicide note. This article is no different.

Nonsense. The article is written by an experienced and respected blogger, who will shortly be publishing a reference book on the football club. In fact, I'd also go as far as to say that on CCMB, he's pretty much messageboard 'royalty,' such is the regard he's held in.

I'd support Bluebirds Unite if they took a rational, logical and professional approach but yet again its done pathetically.

Against Modern Football banners - they claim they are not against modern football but pictures speak a thousand words. Why not tell those who come to meetings to put the flags away? Any professional entity would do so and not put the name of it at risk for the sake of one or a few persons idiocy. Lack of control I believe and therefore the message being sent out is all wrong.

The site lacks professionalism. It looks like it was put together by a moonlighting plumber. In fact, it probably was. Im not trying to hate but its hard when such obvious things are being neglected. Why would Tan take this serious when even some of the fans think its a joke? I was certain BU had elected members now so why aren't these showing some initiative and making the organisation look a respectable entity?

Time to get their act together and start acting like a professional organisation. How can such a group expect donations and sales if they're going to half heartedly attempt some of these things? The cause is a good one, of that I have no doubt, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. I wish them the best in their aims of restoring us to blue but a wake up call is needed.

If you're going to take this criticism in an offensive manner rather than constructive then so be it, thats your call, but you'll only have yourselves to blame when people turn against you and think its a joke like KCB.

To be honest Barnett the more critical you get on anything the more the favour you are doing them.

From an individual who has gone from claiming anyone who is not pro blue is not a supporter, well founds Chuckles, to a person who now embraces the red well how can anyone take serious. As an individual myself who has got behind BU due to the fact I feel they are the only organisation making a serious and credible stand for the blue I honestly hope you don't join them. I'm all for welcoming anyone to BU but you Barnett are one of those people who would be too much of a risk to let in.

Gone very quiet on the BU front at the moment are people on holidays or are they waiting for the X factor auditions to finish

Yes, just over a fortnight since a great turnout in the corp...

Why knock them Steve? Give them a chance.

I'd support Bluebirds Unite if they took a rational, logical and professional approach but yet again its done pathetically.

Against Modern Football banners - they claim they are not against modern football but pictures speak a thousand words. Why not tell those who come to meetings to put the flags away? Any professional entity would do so and not put the name of it at risk for the sake of one or a few persons idiocy. Lack of control I believe and therefore the message being sent out is all wrong.

The site lacks professionalism. It looks like it was put together by a moonlighting plumber. In fact, it probably was. Im not trying to hate but its hard when such obvious things are being neglected. Why would Tan take this serious when even some of the fans think its a joke? I was certain BU had elected members now so why aren't these showing some initiative and making the organisation look a respectable entity?

Time to get their act together and start acting like a professional organisation. How can such a group expect donations and sales if they're going to half heartedly attempt some of these things? The cause is a good one, of that I have no doubt, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. I wish them the best in their aims of restoring us to blue but a wake up call is needed.

If you're going to take this criticism in an offensive manner rather than constructive then so be it, thats your call, but you'll only have yourselves to blame when people turn against you and think its a joke like KCB.

To be honest Barnett the more critical you get on anything the more the favour you are doing them.

From an individual who has gone from claiming anyone who is not pro blue is not a supporter, well founds Chuckles, to a person who now embraces the red well how can anyone take serious. As an individual myself who has got behind BU due to the fact I feel they are the only organisation making a serious and credible stand for the blue I honestly hope you don't join them. I'm all for welcoming anyone to BU but you Barnett are one of those people who would be too much of a risk to let in.

Gone very quiet on the BU front at the moment are people on holidays or are they waiting for the X factor auditions to finish

Yes, just over a fortnight since a great turnout in the corp...

Why knock them Steve? Give them a chance.

Alfie
Not knocking them mate it was a joke as me and bakes were arguing over the merits of Sian's voice the other day.
I will judge them and show an interest as an when I know what their agendas are for the coming season. In all honesty Alfie the BU is still in its infancy and needs to get itself organised sooner rather than later because I believe a few quality signings will deflect attention from it and back to the football

I'd support Bluebirds Unite if they took a rational, logical and professional approach but yet again its done pathetically.

Against Modern Football banners - they claim they are not against modern football but pictures speak a thousand words. Why not tell those who come to meetings to put the flags away? Any professional entity would do so and not put the name of it at risk for the sake of one or a few persons idiocy. Lack of control I believe and therefore the message being sent out is all wrong.

The site lacks professionalism. It looks like it was put together by a moonlighting plumber. In fact, it probably was. Im not trying to hate but its hard when such obvious things are being neglected. Why would Tan take this serious when even some of the fans think its a joke? I was certain BU had elected members now so why aren't these showing some initiative and making the organisation look a respectable entity?

Time to get their act together and start acting like a professional organisation. How can such a group expect donations and sales if they're going to half heartedly attempt some of these things? The cause is a good one, of that I have no doubt, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. I wish them the best in their aims of restoring us to blue but a wake up call is needed.

If you're going to take this criticism in an offensive manner rather than constructive then so be it, thats your call, but you'll only have yourselves to blame when people turn against you and think its a joke like KCB.

To be honest Barnett the more critical you get on anything the more the favour you are doing them.

From an individual who has gone from claiming anyone who is not pro blue is not a supporter, well founds Chuckles, to a person who now embraces the red well how can anyone take serious. As an individual myself who has got behind BU due to the fact I feel they are the only organisation making a serious and credible stand for the blue I honestly hope you don't join them. I'm all for welcoming anyone to BU but you Barnett are one of those people who would be too much of a risk to let in.

Gone very quiet on the BU front at the moment are people on holidays or are they waiting for the X factor auditions to finish

Very funny Steve.

I'd support Bluebirds Unite if they took a rational, logical and professional approach but yet again its done pathetically.

Against Modern Football banners - they claim they are not against modern football but pictures speak a thousand words. Why not tell those who come to meetings to put the flags away? Any professional entity would do so and not put the name of it at risk for the sake of one or a few persons idiocy. Lack of control I believe and therefore the message being sent out is all wrong.

The site lacks professionalism. It looks like it was put together by a moonlighting plumber. In fact, it probably was. Im not trying to hate but its hard when such obvious things are being neglected. Why would Tan take this serious when even some of the fans think its a joke? I was certain BU had elected members now so why aren't these showing some initiative and making the organisation look a respectable entity?

Time to get their act together and start acting like a professional organisation. How can such a group expect donations and sales if they're going to half heartedly attempt some of these things? The cause is a good one, of that I have no doubt, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. I wish them the best in their aims of restoring us to blue but a wake up call is needed.

If you're going to take this criticism in an offensive manner rather than constructive then so be it, thats your call, but you'll only have yourselves to blame when people turn against you and think its a joke like KCB.

To be honest Barnett the more critical you get on anything the more the favour you are doing them.

From an individual who has gone from claiming anyone who is not pro blue is not a supporter, well founds Chuckles, to a person who now embraces the red well how can anyone take serious. As an individual myself who has got behind BU due to the fact I feel they are the only organisation making a serious and credible stand for the blue I honestly hope you don't join them. I'm all for welcoming anyone to BU but you Barnett are one of those people who would be too much of a risk to let in.

Gone very quiet on the BU front at the moment are people on holidays or are they waiting for the X factor auditions to finish

Very funny Steve.

No worries bakes I just couldn't resist it no offence meant

I'd support Bluebirds Unite if they took a rational, logical and professional approach but yet again its done pathetically.

Against Modern Football banners - they claim they are not against modern football but pictures speak a thousand words. Why not tell those who come to meetings to put the flags away? Any professional entity would do so and not put the name of it at risk for the sake of one or a few persons idiocy. Lack of control I believe and therefore the message being sent out is all wrong.

The site lacks professionalism. It looks like it was put together by a moonlighting plumber. In fact, it probably was. Im not trying to hate but its hard when such obvious things are being neglected. Why would Tan take this serious when even some of the fans think its a joke? I was certain BU had elected members now so why aren't these showing some initiative and making the organisation look a respectable entity?

Time to get their act together and start acting like a professional organisation. How can such a group expect donations and sales if they're going to half heartedly attempt some of these things? The cause is a good one, of that I have no doubt, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. I wish them the best in their aims of restoring us to blue but a wake up call is needed.

If you're going to take this criticism in an offensive manner rather than constructive then so be it, thats your call, but you'll only have yourselves to blame when people turn against you and think its a joke like KCB.

To be honest Barnett the more critical you get on anything the more the favour you are doing them.

From an individual who has gone from claiming anyone who is not pro blue is not a supporter, well founds Chuckles, to a person who now embraces the red well how can anyone take serious. As an individual myself who has got behind BU due to the fact I feel they are the only organisation making a serious and credible stand for the blue I honestly hope you don't join them. I'm all for welcoming anyone to BU but you Barnett are one of those people who would be too much of a risk to let in.

Gone very quiet on the BU front at the moment are people on holidays or are they waiting for the X factor auditions to finish

Yes, just over a fortnight since a great turnout in the corp...

Why knock them Steve? Give them a chance.

Alfie
Not knocking them mate it was a joke as me and bakes were arguing over the merits of Sian's voice the other day.
I will judge them and show an interest as an when I know what their agendas are for the coming season. In all honesty Alfie the BU is still in its infancy and needs to get itself organised sooner rather than later because I believe a few quality signings will deflect attention from it and back to the football

I know that you've stated previously that you dislike the red so your best bet is to get along to the next BU get together, have a pint with some like minded people, hear what theyve got to say and make some suggestions yourself. They are open to ideas, get involved

A vast minority, I would say 700 turning up at a pub on Tuesday night says opposite.

...of whom are a vast minority.

What gets me about people like you is that you just sit back content on letting Tan do what he wants. You want to be careful what you wish for because before you know it might just be too late. Tan might go and someone else move in and we could quite easily have a culture of red set in by then, well it will have settled in if we do nothing. A new owner might prefer blue which could quite easily raise a Keep Cardiff Red. You see what I am saying?

Im not content with letting Tan do what he wants. There is a short term game and a long term game. Crying and sulking without any true planning or organisation is as good as doing nothing. I did that last year, we're still red. All it does is make Tan look stronger and those who want our true identity back look like pathetic loons.

You think I should just cry and moan and profess my claim to being a loyal blue and how awesome I am because im a traditionalist? No. That gets me nowhere.

Rather play the long and sensible game. Sit back, let Tan win his petty battles and do what he wants for the short term, think he has us on side, keep taking his money and then treat him with the same level of contempt he treated us when rebranding us and doing away with our identity.

Some of the very people he believes are on his side are ready to take his money and stab him in the back for the clubs best interests. All that matters is the club. Sitting patiently and striking when the time is right doesn't mean accepting, its just showing maturity and realising this is a long game that has to be won by making clever moves.

I learnt the hard way, from threats and abuse, Chuckles got them too, ask him, that kicking up a fuss and blowing hot air only infuriates fans and turns them towards you damaging your own aims.

People seem to take my views on here as gospel as if no one has ever joked in a subtle or provoking fashion on the internet before. Good lord, i'll remember to place my hand on the bible and swear an oath before I next press submit. Just because people are not actively happily with BU doesn't mean they are doing nothing. Patience is a virtue.