Maybe, just maybe we can learn a little from the jacks...

Particularly in relation to their first season in the PL...

Love Thy Neighbour? No Chance, but Maybe We Can Learn From Them
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/phil-jo ... 83990.html

The article seems to totally ignore the reasons for the rebrand i.e. debt to equity/stadium expansion/training ground.

It gives the impression that all of that is being paid for out of Premiership monies and not the additional investment of £100m from VT's pocket into infrastructure and debt relief.

We haven't spent a penny yet in this transfer window (Tom Ince pending) so it seems odd he is judging the value of spending on rumours and opinions from internet sites.

Terrible article by someone who just wants a moan about the rebrand and has stooped so low as to praise Swansea City.

The article seems to totally ignore the reasons for the rebrand i.e. debt to equity/stadium expansion/training ground.

It gives the impression that all of that is being paid for out of Premiership monies and not the additional investment of £100m from VT's pocket into infrastructure and debt relief.

We haven't spent a penny yet in this transfer window (Tom Ince pending) so it seems odd he is judging the value of spending on rumours and opinions from internet sites.

Terrible article by someone who just wants a moan about the rebrand and has stooped so low as to praise Swansea City.

There was only a small section about the rebrand in the whole article, and it was hardly a moan.

The article seems to totally ignore the reasons for the rebrand i.e. debt to equity/stadium expansion/training ground.

It gives the impression that all of that is being paid for out of Premiership monies and not the additional investment of £100m from VT's pocket into infrastructure and debt relief.

We haven't spent a penny yet in this transfer window (Tom Ince pending) so it seems odd he is judging the value of spending on rumours and opinions from internet sites.

Terrible article by someone who just wants a moan about the rebrand and has stooped so low as to praise Swansea City.

There was only a small section about the rebrand in the whole article, and it was hardly a moan.

That was the point I was making

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

The article seems to totally ignore the reasons for the rebrand i.e. debt to equity/stadium expansion/training ground.

It gives the impression that all of that is being paid for out of Premiership monies and not the additional investment of £100m from VT's pocket into infrastructure and debt relief.

We haven't spent a penny yet in this transfer window (Tom Ince pending) so it seems odd he is judging the value of spending on rumours and opinions from internet sites.

Terrible article by someone who just wants a moan about the rebrand and has stooped so low as to praise Swansea City.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I completely disagree.

The thrust of the blog post ( I know, I wrote it ) is suggesting that a sensible approach to financial management would be to follow Swansea/WBA/Norwich's lead and keep our spend on players wages/transfer fees sensible in our first year or two in the PL (ie, no more than half of our total turnover for the season) thus, ensuring that if City get relegated they haven't done all of their dough, QPR stylee.

The references to stadium and training ground development are pertinent as they should, perhaps, be longer term aspirations, once the club is more established in the PL.

Although, the 'investment' has come out of VTs 'pocket' as yet this is just additional debt accrued against the football club. To the best of my knowledge little or no debt to equity has been converted thus far, although I do expect a small amount to be converted as a PR exercise, if nothing else...

Fact is, under Tans reign, debt has spiralled far quicker than it did, ever under Sam. Estimates are that during Tans tenure at the club, he's run up record debt levels of an additional £40-60m.

Respect your opinion but frankly, couldn't disagree with it more.

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Actually that did cross my mind but at the top of the article he claims to be "Cardiff City supporter but more than a bit detached following the rebrand"

Which explains why the article is bitter rather than accurate.

Maybe just maybe if you STFU whinging we could enjoy the football talk and transfer gossip. Hmmmm there's a thought...

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Couldn't be further from the truth. Ask the guy who runs this MB, he knows that I'm blue through and through.

Personally, I'm not a fan of SCFC at all but I would be lying if I told you that I wouldn't like to see us mirror what they did financially in their first season in the PL. They got it right. Let's do the same.

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Actually that did cross my mind but at the top of the article he claims to be "Cardiff City supporter but more than a bit detached following the rebrand"

Which explains why the article is bitter rather than accurate.

Which bits, specifically, do you find inaccurate?

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Couldn't be further from the truth. Ask the guy who runs this MB, he knows that I'm blue through and through.

Personally, I'm not a fan of SCFC at all but I would be lying if I told you that I wouldn't like to see us mirror what they did financially in their first season in the PL. They got it right. Let's do the same.

why so negative?

The article seems to totally ignore the reasons for the rebrand i.e. debt to equity/stadium expansion/training ground.

It gives the impression that all of that is being paid for out of Premiership monies and not the additional investment of £100m from VT's pocket into infrastructure and debt relief.

We haven't spent a penny yet in this transfer window (Tom Ince pending) so it seems odd he is judging the value of spending on rumours and opinions from internet sites.

Terrible article by someone who just wants a moan about the rebrand and has stooped so low as to praise Swansea City.

There was only a small section about the rebrand in the whole article, and it was hardly a moan.

That was the point I was making

"Terrible article by someone who just wants a moan about the rebrand"

That was hardly the point of the article was it...

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Phil Jones is a Die hard City fan, hurt by the stripping of our identity.

Its getting boring now. Most people dont give a shit. If they did there would be more people kicking up a fuss. Most claim they support BU but still go to games funding Tan's ideology and put their thirst for PL football and the money before their traditionalist views. Simple as that really. Yet more annoying pissing in the wind that is bringing it all up again. When something dies we are quite aware, we do not need to be told over and over again. Its done, its happened and the majority just want to move on so let us and if you wish to cry do it in silence.

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Actually that did cross my mind but at the top of the article he claims to be "Cardiff City supporter but more than a bit detached following the rebrand"

Which explains why the article is bitter rather than accurate.

Which bits, specifically, do you find inaccurate?

As pointed out in my first reply he gives the impression that the stadium expansion and training ground is being paid for by Premiership monies rather than VT's £100m investment. He also says that no effort is being made on debt reduction. Whilst we will have to await the accounts to be published we know via the takeover agreement from 2010 that we are about one monthly payment away from seeing the back of PMG and within touching distances of resolving the long running Langston issue.

Also how can we follow Swansea's model as they didn't have £100m outside investment when they were promoted?

Further he gives the impression (gained from rumours on internet sites) that we are spending recklessly in the transfer market when we haven't spent a penny.

He then contradicts himself by saying we won't adopt Swansea's style of play in the PL even though we are supposed to be learning from them as indicated by the title?

It's a hopeless article.

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Couldn't be further from the truth. Ask the guy who runs this MB, he knows that I'm blue through and through.

Personally, I'm not a fan of SCFC at all but I would be lying if I told you that I wouldn't like to see us mirror what they did financially in their first season in the PL. They got it right. Let's do the same.

why so negative?

Negative?

I don't like the rebrand, that's a fair point, never hidden the fact, but it's hardly negative to suggest that in order to safeguard the clubs future, City manage their budget sensibly next season.

The huge PL revenue that will flood into the club shortly could set up Cardiff City's long term future.

What is negative about suggesting that that money is spent wisely to ensure that the clubs future is safeguarded?

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Phil Jones is a Die hard City fan, hurt by the stripping of our identity.

criticism of investment in stadium expansion,training facility's has nothing to do with the rebranding.

I don't like the rebrand, that's a fair point, never hidden the fact.

At least you're honest. You dont shut up about it. You go on more about your dislike of the rebrand that Christians go on about the Bible. Its getting quite sad now. Might have to get you some help. I think you've lost the plot.

The article seems to totally ignore the reasons for the rebrand i.e. debt to equity/stadium expansion/training ground.

It gives the impression that all of that is being paid for out of Premiership monies and not the additional investment of £100m from VT's pocket into infrastructure and debt relief.

We haven't spent a penny yet in this transfer window (Tom Ince pending) so it seems odd he is judging the value of spending on rumours and opinions from internet sites.

Terrible article by someone who just wants a moan about the rebrand and has stooped so low as to praise Swansea City.

There was only a small section about the rebrand in the whole article, and it was hardly a moan.

That was the point I was making

"Terrible article by someone who just wants a moan about the rebrand"

That was hardly the point of the article was it...

As pointed out to another poster in this thread at the top of the article it says "Cardiff City supporter but more than a bit detached following the rebrand"

That gives a massive hint to his motives and why he was so inaccurate in his article by not mentioning the £100m investment in infrastructure.

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Phil Jones is a Die hard City fan, hurt by the stripping of our identity.

Cheers buddy.

I stick the word 'Swansea' in an article and everyone immediately assumes i'm a jack!

I think some people are spectacularly missing the point.

Sad but not really that surprising

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Couldn't be further from the truth. Ask the guy who runs this MB, he knows that I'm blue through and through.

Personally, I'm not a fan of SCFC at all but I would be lying if I told you that I wouldn't like to see us mirror what they did financially in their first season in the PL. They got it right. Let's do the same.

why so negative?

Negative?

I don't like the rebrand, that's a fair point, never hidden the fact, but it's hardly negative to suggest that in order to safeguard the clubs future, City manage their budget sensibly next season.

The huge PL revenue that will flood into the club shortly could set up Cardiff City's long term future.

What is negative about suggesting that that money is spent wisely to ensure that the clubs future is safeguarded?

There is nothing negative about suggesting that money is spent wisely but he has leapt on unproven rumours from Message Board sites to justify his view City are spending recklessly. We HAVEN'T spent a penny yet.

The stadium expansion and training ground are being paid for from the £100m investment by VT, that is NOT mentioned any where.

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Phil Jones us a Die hard City fan, hurt by the stripping of our identity.

Cheers buddy.

I stick the word 'Swansea' in an article and everyone immediately assumes i'm a jack!

I think some people are spectacularly missing the point.

Sad but not really that surprising

the point is your trying to undermine everything tans doing to take this club to the next level.

Alfie is definitely a bluebird. A Jack would have the balls to do something about the rebranding and take affirmative action rather than just cry in the press and wallow in self pity. If there is anything our club could learn from the Jacks its for the fans to grow a set of bollocks, not finance.

As already said, if you feel the rebrand is wrong and want blue back then go all out for it. Ask for Tan Out, start your own campaign and do it. All I see is yet more moaning and purposely trying to aggravate and annoy other fans with it until they give in and join your cause. Its as manipulative as Tan himself.

We are not amused.

All this club has ever had is people try and use it to make a name for themselves. Whether they're in the boardroom or one of the fans in the street it doesn't matter. Bluebirds Unite even selling merchandise now. Is that done at profit or at cost? I wonder........I'd rather invest in the club shop and put my money into the club I support. Malky ain't going to build a team using milk vouchers.

Phil Jones sounds like a jealous jack to me.

Actually that did cross my mind but at the top of the article he claims to be "Cardiff City supporter but more than a bit detached following the rebrand"

Which explains why the article is bitter rather than accurate.

Which bits, specifically, do you find inaccurate?

As pointed out in my first reply he gives the impression that the stadium expansion and training ground is being paid for by Premiership monies rather than VT's £100m investment. He also says that no effort is being made on debt reduction. Whilst we will have to await the accounts to be published we know via the takeover agreement from 2010 that we are about one monthly payment away from seeing the back of PMG and within touching distances of resolving the long running Langston issue.

Also how can we follow Swansea's model as they didn't have £100m outside investment when they were promoted?

Further he gives the impression (gained from rumours on internet sites) that we are spending recklessly in the transfer market when we haven't spent a penny.

He then contradicts himself by saying we won't adopt Swansea's style of play in the PL even though we are supposed to be learning from them as indicated by the title?

It's a hopeless article.

Ok, I do apologise for posting on Cardiff City matters. But Tony, you seem to be mistaking investment with 'gift'. If Tan indeed invests £100m (and thus far there is very little indication that he is doing nothing other than loaning you money), Then he will want this money back! It is not a gift. He certainly wont get it back by selling the club on, and if he spends the premier league monies on players to keep you there then he wont get it back from there either will he? Honestly, I'm not trolling or looking for an arguement. But I really cant see what his game is? Especially as he is obviously a very successful businessman? Could you explain to me as I would be very interested to know. As I said not looking for a barney and probably wont post again on this thread, but would appreciate an explanation as you obviously know more than me.

If it's not a rebrand moan then I hope it's been posted on 90 per cent of the football communities message boards, after all if you've no axe to grind, most clubs chase the dream, or is it only Cardiff that can learn from the jacks?

This again.

The fans who are moaning about people moaning about the rebrand are more boring than the people they're moaning about.

And the person who is moaning about the people who are moaning about the people who are moaning about the rebranding is a tw*t.

The fans who are moaning about people moaning about the rebrand are more boring than the people they're moaning about.

Shut up Jon FFS. You love the rebrand and buy the merchandise yet moan about it all the time and claim to be KCB. Worst person ever. Me and Polo got you sussed pal. We are not amused.

The fans who are moaning about people moaning about the rebrand are more boring than the people they're moaning about.

Shut up Jon FFS. You love the rebrand and buy the merchandise yet moan about it all the time and claim to be KCB. Worst person ever. Me and Polo got you sussed pal. We are not amused.

jons a hypocrite.