Three Big Reasons To Opt For A Ps4

1.The X Box 1 is £429 and the Ps4 is £350!
2. Andrew House who is in charge of Playstation is Welsh!
3. There are many other reasons why its better I just cant be arsed to list them all!

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Have been with xbox 360 for 5 years but will be switching to ps4 when it comes out.

Be switching to playstation now i love my xbox 360 but i dnt want to be connected all the time i dont wanna go on it everyday just for xbox to check you are using it, i want to trade games by 2nf hand games with no hassle play offline instead of multiplayer and you can do it on ps4 not on xbox one

I'm holding off on judging.

I was an early adopter of the PS3 and bought an Xbox a few years later. They sit side by side and the PS3 hasn't been on for over 12 months.

I have a feeling I may end up doing the same again. I am expecting Microsoft to make a few changes before release, especially on pricing and the always on Internet. If they can then also sort out second hand gaming we'd be back on level terms.

The gaming will be similar on both consoles so it may then be about the unique titles.

I don't think it's over just yet.

I'm holding off on judging.

I was an early adopter of the PS3 and bought an Xbox a few years later. They sit side by side and the PS3 hasn't been on for over 12 months.

I have a feeling I may end up doing the same again. I am expecting Microsoft to make a few changes before release, especially on pricing and the always on Internet. If they can then also sort out second hand gaming we'd be back on level terms.

The gaming will be similar on both consoles so it may then be about the unique titles.

I don't think it's over just yet.

they wont change the always online part they said that its important part of the the system because of the cloud system but hopefully sort the pre owned market etc and Microsoft owner said if you don't have access to the internet there is another option stick with the 360 lol

I'm holding off on judging.

I was an early adopter of the PS3 and bought an Xbox a few years later. They sit side by side and the PS3 hasn't been on for over 12 months.

I have a feeling I may end up doing the same again. I am expecting Microsoft to make a few changes before release, especially on pricing and the always on Internet. If they can then also sort out second hand gaming we'd be back on level terms.

The gaming will be similar on both consoles so it may then be about the unique titles.

I don't think it's over just yet.

they wont change the always online part they said that its important part of the the system because of the cloud system but hopefully sort the pre owned market etc and Microsoft owner said if you don't have access to the internet there is another option stick with the 360 lol

Oh yeah I remember him saying that. I suppose they are aware that there is a small percentage that are still offline. This sort of technology goes hand in hand with the Internet. Not in terms of needing each other but more that people with tech usually have the Internet.

Microsoft have never given a s**t or had any thought for the public and it is funny how people back the Xbox up.

Another bad thing about the xbox and microsoft is the refusal to allow indie games to be published. Indie gaming is going to be the way forward in the next few years.

So they levelled the playing field a bit with offline gaming and free exchange of second hand games. They have added that there will be region free gaming but still a difference in price even with the camera included.

Another bad thing about the xbox and microsoft is the refusal to allow indie games to be published. Indie gaming is going to be the way forward in the next few years.

looool is it bollocks.

Whatever happened to the days of Konami Hyper Soccer on the NES with four buttons (a, b, start and select) and a d-pad?!

1.The X Box 1 is £429 and the Ps4 is £350!
2. Andrew House who is in charge of Playstation is Welsh!
3. There are many other reasons why its better I just cant be arsed to list them all!

Its like buyin a car, what would you rather go for Japanese or American?
I certainly know what I would choose without a doubt, put it this way im lookin forward to playin Gran Turismo

Another bad thing about the xbox and microsoft is the refusal to allow indie games to be published. Indie gaming is going to be the way forward in the next few years.

looool is it bollocks.

He's actually right, there are loads of indie games making bigger and better games than anyone else today.

I'll probably end up with both, as I have done with every other consoles. It does make me laugh when people get passionate about their choice and they tend to become experts on the console they don't own.

I've had a Chavbox since it came out, from the first one through to the 360. and I've had the Playstations through to PS3. The reason being (apart from being a spoilt brat) is some games are only available on each. The truth is the PS3 is way better than the ChavBox 360. In many ways.

Fact is the Playstation is the gamers choice and delivers more and that's why it has sold more consoles than the 360. The ChavBox 360 has always been the mothers choice when out Christmas shopping. "Which one is cheaper?. Okay I'll have that one then". Hence it's nickname of ChavBox.
Then and only then do they realise that you have to pay to play online etc so it's not actually cheaper.

When a ChavBox owner slags off PS3 they are only doing so to try to convince themselves exactly like buying a Skoda is better than a BMW. No it's not. It's just cheaper.

Now the next generation of consoles will change all that. Wait and see... all those ChavBox users will soon be singing the praises of their new PS4 and slagging off the ChavBox One (which they don't own)

Another bad thing about the xbox and microsoft is the refusal to allow indie games to be published. Indie gaming is going to be the way forward in the next few years.

looool is it bollocks.

He's actually right, there are loads of indie games making bigger and better games than anyone else today.

No, its bollocks. I've done a placement as a software engineer in the gaming industry (comp sci student) and its bollocks. Indie gaming is the biggest it will ever be. Minecraft will be the biggest indie game to have been made and even that is no longer indie. When a game wants to break into the market and make millions it stops being indie. None of the top games will be indie. That is a load of shit.

Please tell me one indie game that has made it to the level of a commercial developer/publisher led game? FIFA, COD, The Last of Us, GTA - none of them are Indie - Battlefield etc. - Indie gaming will always have a place but to insinuate it is the way forward in the next few years is a load of crap. Indie games will always be a small percentage of the gaming industry as long as high level DRM isn't imposed which is why Microsoft's Xbox One is a threat to Indie gaming.

There's no chance at all of Indie producing amazing games and taking the console market by storm. The money isn't there for them to do so. Yes, there will be a basis on the PS4 for indie developers to make games and make money but it will be nowhere near as big as the commercially led production market. Even Minecraft sold its soul.

Always been playstation and will continue my loyalty and get a ps4. Tonight though, I'm going make a start on the last of us.

Another bad thing about the xbox and microsoft is the refusal to allow indie games to be published. Indie gaming is going to be the way forward in the next few years.

looool is it bollocks.

He's actually right, there are loads of indie games making bigger and better games than anyone else today.

No, its bollocks. I've done a placement as a software engineer in the gaming industry (comp sci student) and its bollocks. Indie gaming is the biggest it will ever be. Minecraft will be the biggest indie game to have been made and even that is no longer indie. When a game wants to break into the market and make millions it stops being indie. None of the top games will be indie. That is a load of shit.

Please tell me one indie game that has made it to the level of a commercial developer/publisher led game? FIFA, COD, The Last of Us, GTA - none of them are Indie - Battlefield etc. - Indie gaming will always have a place but to insinuate it is the way forward in the next few years is a load of crap. Indie games will always be a small percentage of the gaming industry as long as high level DRM isn't imposed which is why Microsoft's Xbox One is a threat to Indie gaming.

There's no chance at all of Indie producing amazing games and taking the console market by storm. The money isn't there for them to do so. Yes, there will be a basis on the PS4 for indie developers to make games and make money but it will be nowhere near as big as the commercially led production market. Even Minecraft sold its soul.

Weren't you also working for EA....?

But your right no console developer would take on indie games, they certainly wouldn't develop a console specifically for the use of indie games...http://readwrite.com/2013/06/19/the-ouy ... uyhoMEXBYI

For a 'software engineer' you certainly know f**k all about the markets associated with it don't you?

Weren't you also working for EA....?

But your right no console developer would take on indie games, they certainly wouldn't develop a console specifically for the use of indie games...http://readwrite.com/2013/06/19/the-ouy ... uyhoMEXBYI

For a 'software engineer' you certainly know f**k all about the markets associated with it don't you?

Are you f*cking stupid or just try to be? Seriously, he insinuated 'Indie gaming is going to be the way forward in the next few years'. Thats bollocks. Nowhere did I state Indie gaming has no place in the market. I stated its not the future of gaming.

From your own link.

'Can It Compete?

I’ve had a lot of fun playing with the Ouya. But as we near its June 25 release date, is it something worth buying over a mainstream console?

Quality-wise, it’s no replacement for the PlayStation 3, or in some cases, even the Nintendo 64. Since so many games are indie and homebrew, there’s no guarantee you’ll have good-looking graphics or, in some cases, even controls that work.

Still, in a few short months it'll be the holiday season and E3's offerings will all be released. It's hard to say if by that point, the Ouya will be gathering dust in the back of a closet while we make room for a shiny new PS4.

Ouya will not even compete with the best consoles. The PS4 and Xbox One will still be massive and mainstream gaming and the major publishers will still rule. I did not state indie gaming is going nowhere but its not the way forward at all. Its going to grow slightly as will the mainstream gaming market.

I work for EA voluntarily as a data editor, thats nothing to do with this. I did my placement as part of my degree for 3 months to get credits on my course. I worked for a mainstream company, not an indie (independent studio).

Indie gaming yes has its market share but to insinuate its going to be the way forward is just stupid. Its the same as it always has been. Mainstream will move forward thanks to better hardware and software developments as will indie. There is more backing in Indie development than there has been yes but its still not a patch on any mainstream development at all.

COD's sale figures alone eclipse anything an indie game can come up with. Some people are truly deluded. As for the consoles, I really couldn't care less. PC gaming is the best, will have the indie games published on them easy enough and got free online games like LoL and TES online.

http://www.ouyaconsole.com/ouya-android ... will-fail/

Where did I state there wouldn't be no console for indie games? Another bullshit quote you made up. I said indie gaming wont be as big as mainstream and is not the future. Its not. Its a niche market and a small percentage of the overall gaming industry and will stay that way. Yes Sony have done good allowing developers to self publish whereas Microsoft force them to go exclusive through Microsoft Studios and take a cut of their profits. So thats a plus one for Sony of course.

Dont get me wrong, indie gaming has its place but insinuating its going to be the way forward is wrong. Its not. Mainstream developer/publisher led gaming will still be massive in comparison and whilst indie gaming may grow slightly it'll be insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

The reason is money. Indie gaming developers are independent. There is a lack of money therefore the development of the games cant have massive production teams on them at the same scale as the likes of EA, Rockstar, Bethesda and so on.

You just have to look at Steam to see how much indie games are selling for compared to mainstream games. Enough said. Supply and demand. Companies like EA can put the price of FIFA at £50 because people will buy it. Indie gaming is great and I'll stick with my PC for that reason but im not deluded and I know mainstream games will always be the top dog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_game

Heres everything you need to know about indie games and the figures etc. You can do more research into it yourself. I cant be bothered arguing as I already know the score and speak to people about such things daily in university or on gaming forums and so on.

From Wikipedia; 'Most games are not widely known or successful and mainstream media attention remains with mainstream titles.[34][5] This can be attributed to lack of marketing for indie games.[34] Indie games can be targeted at niche market.[9][18]'

Thats true. Indie is niche and a small subsection of the gaming industry.

What I meant by indie games are the way forward is simply that they are whats needed to help come with new creative ideas. Mainstream gaming has become saturated by the same crap year after year with the odd gem here and there. Indie game are of course never going to compete with big companies, however they are brilliant for starting fresh ideas. Look at Portal, started out as a mod for Half Life and is now a major game across all consoles.

What I meant by indie games are the way forward is simply that they are whats needed to help come with new creative ideas. Mainstream gaming has become saturated by the same crap year after year with the odd gem here and there. Indie game are of course never going to compete with big companies, however they are brilliant for starting fresh ideas. Look at Portal, started out as a mod for Half Life and is now a major game across all consoles.

Fair enough Cj if thats what you meant I agree with you. The problem is the market loves the same generated rubbish over and over - COD is proof of that. Minor changes, lack of innovation etc. The consumers control the market and as long as COD sells they wont change it up drastically as they risk alienating people if it goes wrong.

What I meant by indie games are the way forward is simply that they are whats needed to help come with new creative ideas. Mainstream gaming has become saturated by the same crap year after year with the odd gem here and there. Indie game are of course never going to compete with big companies, however they are brilliant for starting fresh ideas. Look at Portal, started out as a mod for Half Life and is now a major game across all consoles.

Fair enough Cj if thats what you meant I agree with you. The problem is the market loves the same generated rubbish over and over - COD is proof of that. Minor changes, lack of innovation etc. The consumers control the market and as long as COD sells they wont change it up drastically as they risk alienating people if it goes wrong.

Exactlly which is why I think microsoft are foolish to prevent indie games to be published on their consoles as it will give the market an insight into what elses out there.

What I meant by indie games are the way forward is simply that they are whats needed to help come with new creative ideas. Mainstream gaming has become saturated by the same crap year after year with the odd gem here and there. Indie game are of course never going to compete with big companies, however they are brilliant for starting fresh ideas. Look at Portal, started out as a mod for Half Life and is now a major game across all consoles.

Fair enough Cj if thats what you meant I agree with you. The problem is the market loves the same generated rubbish over and over - COD is proof of that. Minor changes, lack of innovation etc. The consumers control the market and as long as COD sells they wont change it up drastically as they risk alienating people if it goes wrong.

Exactlly which is why I think microsoft are foolish to prevent indie games to be published on their consoles as it will give the market an insight into what elses out there.

Since when are Microsoft preventing indie games from being published on their consoles?

There are indie games on the 360 and even a community for amatuer game creators to sell their games.

There will be indie game on the 360 too.

If any of you knew what you were talking about you would know the DRM Microsoft had in place were all about the future of gaming.

What I meant by indie games are the way forward is simply that they are whats needed to help come with new creative ideas. Mainstream gaming has become saturated by the same crap year after year with the odd gem here and there. Indie game are of course never going to compete with big companies, however they are brilliant for starting fresh ideas. Look at Portal, started out as a mod for Half Life and is now a major game across all consoles.

Fair enough Cj if thats what you meant I agree with you. The problem is the market loves the same generated rubbish over and over - COD is proof of that. Minor changes, lack of innovation etc. The consumers control the market and as long as COD sells they wont change it up drastically as they risk alienating people if it goes wrong.

Exactlly which is why I think microsoft are foolish to prevent indie games to be published on their consoles as it will give the market an insight into what elses out there.

Since when are Microsoft preventing indie games from being published on their consoles?

There are indie games on the 360 and even a community for amatuer game creators to sell their games.

There will be indie game on the 360 too.

For indie publishers to be able to publish their games on the Xbox one, they need to pay a £1000 fee aswell as have a publisher. How many indie developers have that at their disposal?

If any of you knew what you were talking about you would know the DRM Microsoft had in place were all about the future of gaming.

This is true. I agree. Steam has a similar implementation as well on PC, the platform I play.

Microsoft force indie developers to publish via Microsoft Studios to take a cut. If that same indie dev publishes to another platform Microsoft also takes a cut because of the agreement. This is why loads of indie devs will now choose PC, PS4 only and the PS4 will most likely be exclusive. Why risk your potential profits and let Microsoft get a cut on all of them when you can just publish to 2 platforms and keep them all yourself?

In several years Microsoft will go back to their DRM policies using updates. Anyone who doesn't update cant use Xbox Live so they'll catch people out that way. Once you're tied in you're tied in. They're not stupid.

Lay it down like this Microsoft are trying to scrounge every penny out of anyone who buys it and have never had any care or consideration for the gamer and that is true.

The reason I opted to buy a PS3 because XBOX only wants to get the extra penny where PS3 want the money but make it reasonable and have consideration for the gamer.

Lay it down like this Microsoft are trying to scrounge every penny out of anyone who buys it and have never had any care or consideration for the gamer and that is true.

The reason I opted to buy a PS3 because XBOX only wants to get the extra penny where PS3 want the money but make it reasonable and have consideration for the gamer.

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Sony should have just played the game. Developers are going to continue to lose money due to preowned, rentals and sharing etc. Forcing a drop in quality and lack of risk taking as we have recently seen in AAA gaming.