Do We Really Want VT To Leave?

I know no one(or very few) likes us playing in red but his money has been key to getting us premier league football next season so for that we should be grateful.

He has once admitted that if he is treated badly he will look to sell and in my opinion there are a few buttons being pushed so to say. Yes, everyone can voice an opinion but let's sure we do it the right way, the respectful way.

This is no VT love in thread but more of a realistic and take a minute to think how lucky we are here. We will be one of 20 teams playing in the best league in the world, we don't want to lose that easily. VT has a view and a vision for this club, and along with Malky and many others this vision is being successful! So let's not make VT leave because his money is key!

I'd love him to leave because if he did it would mean someone else has come in and may look to get the fans on side straight away. We all know how that can be done.

I'd love him to leave because if he did it would mean someone else has come in and may look to get the fans on side straight away. We all know how that can be done.

Someone with much less money perhaps

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

I'd love him to leave because if he did it would mean someone else has come in and may look to get the fans on side straight away. We all know how that can be done.

Someone with much less money perhaps

It's a mute point though as the asking price is now extremely high and they won't be many takers. If there WERE any takers they would have more than enough money.

You ask do we really want home to leave, I say yes. Do I think he will leave, no and I am also happy with this. In my eyes what VT has done for us outweighs the one thing he has done wrong.

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Not quite a lie as there was a Langston hurdle to get over before it could be converted.

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Not quite a lie as there was a Langston hurdle to get over before it could be converted.

I believe if VT really wanted to convert the debt to equity, he would have by now, especially as we've got promoted. There should be no excuse now.

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Whats it like in cloud cuckoo land? Is the weather nice?

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Whats it like in cloud cuckoo land? Is the weather nice?

You should know that as you're the one who's there. Keep falling for VT's lies and bribes you gullable red sheep.

I know no one(or very few) likes us playing in red but his money has been key to getting us premier league football next season so for that we should be grateful.

He has once admitted that if he is treated badly he will look to sell and in my opinion there are a few buttons being pushed so to say. Yes, everyone can voice an opinion but let's sure we do it the right way, the respectful way.

This is no VT love in thread but more of a realistic and take a minute to think how lucky we are here. We will be one of 20 teams playing in the best league in the world, we don't want to lose that easily. VT has a view and a vision for this club, and along with Malky and many others this vision is being successful! So let's not make VT leave because his money is key!

works both ways mate vts buttons are being pushed yes because he bloody pushed our buttons in the first place .

I said before dont care about the prem I will support city in any division he hasnt turned debt into equity yet but the real issue to me is the rebrand.All vt has to do is realise he made a mistake and change us back he dont have to leave then does he .This is vt we have no chance of him doing that so if this continues and gets bigger i think he will go .If thats what it takes to get are identity back then job done to me.

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Whats it like in cloud cuckoo land? Is the weather nice?

You should know that as you're the one who's there. Keep falling for VT's lies and bribes you gullable red sheep.

I am as blue as they come Kermit but to suggest our debt will be cleared thanks to one season in the Prem you need to see a quack.

Are the players all going to play for free next year?

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Not quite a lie as there was a Langston hurdle to get over before it could be converted.

I believe if VT really wanted to convert the debt to equity, he would have by now, especially as we've got promoted. There should be no excuse now.

It's not that easy.

Converting his debt to equity, makes him the highest shareholder and liable to handle the clubs debts plus if his shareholding reaches a high percentage (don't know what it is) he has to make offers for the shares of other major shareholders.

Why would he take responsibility for the other debt when there are other shareholders that have an equal responsibility for it.

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Whats it like in cloud cuckoo land? Is the weather nice?

You should know that as you're the one who's there. Keep falling for VT's lies and bribes you gullable red sheep.

I am as blue as they come Kermit but to suggest our debt will be cleared thanks to one season in the Prem you need to see a quack.

Are the players all going to play for free next year?

I didn't say our debt would be cleared with one season in the Premiership did I? I said the MAJORITY of our debt will be cleared. Plus if we get relegated we will still have the parachute payments to help us out further.

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Not quite a lie as there was a Langston hurdle to get over before it could be converted.

I believe if VT really wanted to convert the debt to equity, he would have by now, especially as we've got promoted. There should be no excuse now.

It's not that easy.

Converting his debt to equity, makes him the highest shareholder and liable to handle the clubs debts plus if his shareholding reaches a high percentage (don't know what it is) he has to make offers for the shares of other major shareholders.

Why would he take responsibility for the other debt when there are other shareholders that have an equal responsibility for it.

because vt said he would clear debt to equity his words

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Whats it like in cloud cuckoo land? Is the weather nice?

You should know that as you're the one who's there. Keep falling for VT's lies and bribes you gullable red sheep.

I am as blue as they come Kermit but to suggest our debt will be cleared thanks to one season in the Prem you need to see a quack.
Are the players all going to play for free next year?

I didn't say our debt would be cleared with one season in the Premiership did I? I said the MAJORITY of our debt will be cleared. Plus if we get relegated we will still have the parachute payments to help us out further.

Weve still got to pay the players abd the running costs you clown. We are 100m in debt ffs.

Youre not in charge of the uks economic policy by any chance?

Clueless

It's not that easy.

Converting his debt to equity, makes him the highest shareholder and liable to handle the clubs debts plus if his shareholding reaches a high percentage (don't know what it is) he has to make offers for the shares of other major shareholders.

Why would he take responsibility for the other debt when there are other shareholders that have an equal responsibility for it.

because vt said he would clear debt to equity his words

BBC News 28/0213
The club's last set of accounts show it has debts of £83m. Much of that is owed to Vincent Tan which he says he will convert to shares but will only do so once the Langston debt is dealt with.

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Whats it like in cloud cuckoo land? Is the weather nice?

You should know that as you're the one who's there. Keep falling for VT's lies and bribes you gullable red sheep.

I am as blue as they come Kermit but to suggest our debt will be cleared thanks to one season in the Prem you need to see a quack.
Are the players all going to play for free next year?

I didn't say our debt would be cleared with one season in the Premiership did I? I said the MAJORITY of our debt will be cleared. Plus if we get relegated we will still have the parachute payments to help us out further.

Weve still got to pay the players abd the running costs you clown. We are 100m in debt ffs.

Youre not in charge of the uks economic policy by any chance?

Clueless

Oh dear lord, you do know how much we are currently losing per month and how much we will make by being in the Premiership next season? Obviously our wage bill will increase when we bring in new players, but what we lose on players wages and other running costs per month will be peanuts compared to what we will financially gain next season. You must be an idiot if you don't see that.

It's not that easy.

Converting his debt to equity, makes him the highest shareholder and liable to handle the clubs debts plus if his shareholding reaches a high percentage (don't know what it is) he has to make offers for the shares of other major shareholders.

Why would he take responsibility for the other debt when there are other shareholders that have an equal responsibility for it.

because vt said he would clear debt to equity his words

BBC News 28/0213
The club's last set of accounts show it has debts of £83m. Much of that is owed to Vincent Tan which he says he will convert to shares but will only do so once the Langston debt is dealt with.

ha yea he has had his chances to pay it off at a reduced rate of 10 mil instead of 24 mill so what does that say about Vt OH and its still owed but i think a 5 mill promotion bonus needs adding on .He is lending us money at 7 % interest which is buy now up to 100 mill but hay we love him NOT

I know no one(or very few) likes us playing in red but his money has been key to getting us premier league football next season so for that we should be grateful.

He has once admitted that if he is treated badly he will look to sell and in my opinion there are a few buttons being pushed so to say. Yes, everyone can voice an opinion but let's sure we do it the right way, the respectful way.

This is no VT love in thread but more of a realistic and take a minute to think how lucky we are here. We will be one of 20 teams playing in the best league in the world, we don't want to lose that easily. VT has a view and a vision for this club, and along with Malky and many others this vision is being successful! So let's not make VT leave because his money is key!

I 100% would love him to leave.

I know no one(or very few) likes us playing in red but his money has been key to getting us premier league football next season so for that we should be grateful.

He has once admitted that if he is treated badly he will look to sell and in my opinion there are a few buttons being pushed so to say. Yes, everyone can voice an opinion but let's sure we do it the right way, the respectful way.

This is no VT love in thread but more of a realistic and take a minute to think how lucky we are here. We will be one of 20 teams playing in the best league in the world, we don't want to lose that easily. VT has a view and a vision for this club, and along with Malky and many others this vision is being successful! So let's not make VT leave because his money is key!

I'm with you. When Vincent tan went to leave before everyone shit themselves, don't people ever learn?

If he has eradicated the clubs historical debts them he will covert his debt owed into equity.

That was his pledge....


The club has not at this moment in time eradicated this debt....


So only time will tell...

If VT leaving means we will return to our correct colours and badge, then yes I would want him to leave. If this means we get relegated, so what. Our one season in the Premiership will clea the majority of our debt anyway and we will be in a much better financial position than with VT being here, as VT still hasn't converted our debt to equity has he! (One of his several lies!)

Whats it like in cloud cuckoo land? Is the weather nice?

No.


Be careful what you wish for,apart from the red kit everything else is perfect.

Tan and malky have a good working relationship and that's important, below that we have malky who has been fantastic in transforming the club over the last few years. From Tan down to the youth the whole club is moving forward.

If a new owner came in what if he wanted to replace malky? or spend money wildly.

Look at qpr swapping managers regularly, spending over the odds. With the relationship Tan and malky have that doesn't look likely to happen.
Another example is Reading who got rid of a good manager when they hit panic stations.

We have stability, fantastic relationships all through the club, progress on training youth and other important areas safeguarding the future of the club.

Br careful what you wish for in Tan going as you don't know who the new owner will be. Apart from red this club is in the best position it have ever been.

No.


Be careful what you wish for,apart from the red kit everything else is perfect.

Tan and malky have a good working relationship and that's important, below that we have malky who has been fantastic in transforming the club over the last few years. From Tan down to the youth the whole club is moving forward.

If a new owner came in what if he wanted to replace malky? or spend money wildly.

Look at qpr swapping managers regularly, spending over the odds. With the relationship Tan and malky have that doesn't look likely to happen.
Another example is Reading who got rid of a good manager when they hit panic stations.

We have stability, fantastic relationships all through the club, progress on training youth and other important areas safeguarding the future of the club.

Br careful what you wish for in Tan going as you don't know who the new owner will be. Apart from red this club is in the best position it have ever been.

Spot on.

And yes ive come out of retirement to make this post but im fed up of all the bullshit I have read on here last few days.

We could end up with someone like the Venkys if we are not careful.

I completely understand people being pissed off about the red but to actually want VT to leave is actually laughable if it wasn't such a serious matter

VT has upset a large proportion of the fan base by changing to red, but in all other things any sane person can see that the club is much better run than under previous regimes. Players tied to contracts, professionalism throughout and, importantly, a team culture that has brought the players much closer to the fans than it was in the Dave Jones days.

Please take the blue tinted glasses off and deal with facts.

Promotion money alone does not make Cardiff City an attractive club for buyers. As has been pointed out, if we were content to just go up and come back down and then just consolidate in the Championship for 4-5 years it would, but this board would go into melt down at the prospect and therefore over the first couple of Prem seasons we will have to invest fairly heavily in players and contracts to stay there and build.

I agree with others that VT does have to show some commitment and convert some of his debt debt to equity but he has always been clear that he wouldn't do that until Sam was sorted and Annis and others say that is now close, let's wait and see.

For those who say "I'd rather be in the 400 that went to Rochdale in 1986", blah. blah, etc. Sorry but I did a load of those trips in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Been there, done it, good at the time but wouldn't swap all of those trips for the feeling I got at the final whistle of the Charlton game or that special Sunday down the Bay.

I'd rather be blue and still hold out that hope, but even in red I'm more than happy to have VT at the helm and would hope we can work with him not against him

Oh dear lord, you do know how much we are currently losing per month and how much we will make by being in the Premiership next season? Obviously our wage bill will increase when we bring in new players, but what we lose on players wages and other running costs per month will be peanuts compared to what we will financially gain next season. You must be an idiot if you don't see that.

VT was supporting us to the tune of 2m a month in the championship, this will only increase in the premiership on wages and transfer fees, plus we are already 100m in debt.

But hey, one season in the Premiership will sort all that , pay the majority of the debt off and we can get a new owner in, possibly the Venkys

When youve finished topping up your tan in cloud cuckoo land do the math, Einsteen.

Rebrand aside Tan is really sorting this club out but we only ever hear the bad things about him on this forum..
Yes the the rebrand is shit but that aside why can't some posters on here admit the club is moving forward from grass roots upwards?

Rebrand aside Tan is really sorting this club out but we only ever hear the bad things about him on this forum..
Yes the the rebrand is shit but that aside why can't some posters on here admit the club is moving forward from grass roots upwards?

Because the 20,000 who went to Rochdale on a Tuesday night would rather go back down to the dungeon and run Tan out.

I went to Rochdale twice (both Saturdays) and its a shithole. I dont want red but I dont ever want to go back to the likes of Rochdale and Lincoln again.

Rebrand aside Tan is really sorting this club out but we only ever hear the bad things about him on this forum..
Yes the the rebrand is shit but that aside why can't some posters on here admit the club is moving forward from grass roots upwards?

Because the 20,000 who went to Rochdale on a Tuesday night would rather go back down to the dungeon and run Tan out.

I went to Rochdale twice (both Saturdays) and its a shithole. I dont want red but I dont ever want to go back to the likes of Rochdale and Lincoln again.

I actually did go to rochdale , bury , hartlepool , barnet and all the other rubbish and no way do i want to see that shit again...
Rebrand aside cardiff city seem to be really getting things sorted off the pitch..

I done them all too Jinks - most of the 70 odd grounds ive been to have been shitholes like Mansfield, Darlington, York, Exeter and the like.

Great times from a growing up with your mates point of view, but people need to take off the nostalgic glasses. The home games at that time in the Kumar era when we were getting 2-3,000 it was f*cking awful.

The football was atrocious.