What are the aims of bluebirds unite?

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Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

They're going for a full return to blue as far as i know, and i disagree with everything else in this post.

I do think going for fully blue is the best route, I don't think VT leaving would be a bad thing now that we're in the Premier League, and if we do go backwards again over a colour it would be totally worth it in my opinion, we can always build to get up to the Premier League again, the right way this time. But as i said, i dont think it would come to that as now were there, i don't think we necessarily need VT.

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

They're going for a full return to blue as far as i know, and i disagree with everything else in this post.

I do think going for fully blue is the best route, I don't think VT leaving would be a bad thing now that we're in the Premier League, and if we do go backwards again over a colour it would be totally worth it in my opinion, we can always build to get up to the Premier League again, the right way this time. But as i said, i dont think it would come to that as now were there, i don't think we necessarily need VT.

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

They're going for a full return to blue as far as i know, and i disagree with everything else in this post.

I do think going for fully blue is the best route, I don't think VT leaving would be a bad thing now that we're in the Premier League, and if we do go backwards again over a colour it would be totally worth it in my opinion, we can always build to get up to the Premier League again, the right way this time. But as i said, i dont think it would come to that as now were there, i don't think we necessarily need VT.

So you don't think we necessarily need a billionaire? You know of any billionaires in waiting who could replace him and pay the transfer fees wages stadium expansion state of the art training ground etc? Let me know now id love to know maybe id change my opinion then?

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

They're going for a full return to blue as far as i know, and i disagree with everything else in this post.

I do think going for fully blue is the best route, I don't think VT leaving would be a bad thing now that we're in the Premier League, and if we do go backwards again over a colour it would be totally worth it in my opinion, we can always build to get up to the Premier League again, the right way this time. But as i said, i dont think it would come to that as now were there, i don't think we necessarily need VT.

So you don't think we necessarily need a billionaire? You know of any billionaires in waiting who could replace him and pay the transfer fees wages stadium expansion state of the art training ground etc? Let me know now id love to know maybe id change my opinion then?

Don't need big transfers, i'd rather be like most other clubs in the league who manage without a billionaire owner, either sign players on frees or affordable fees, and still have our identity in tact.

If that makes it harder to stay in/get back to the Premier League then so be it, at least we'll have done it the right way. Most other clubs in the league manager to survive without a billionaire owner and every other club manages to do so without discarding their identity/tradition, we should be able to do the same.

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

They're going for a full return to blue as far as i know, and i disagree with everything else in this post.

I do think going for fully blue is the best route, I don't think VT leaving would be a bad thing now that we're in the Premier League, and if we do go backwards again over a colour it would be totally worth it in my opinion, we can always build to get up to the Premier League again, the right way this time. But as i said, i dont think it would come to that as now were there, i don't think we necessarily need VT.

So you don't think we necessarily need a billionaire? You know of any billionaires in waiting who could replace him and pay the transfer fees wages stadium expansion state of the art training ground etc? Let me know now id love to know maybe id change my opinion then?

Don't need big transfers, i'd rather be like most other clubs in the league who manage without a billionaire owner, either sign players on frees or affordable fees, and still have our identity in tact.

If that makes it harder to stay in/get back to the Premier League then so be it, at least we'll have done it the right way. Most other clubs in the league manager to survive without a billionaire owner and every other club manages to do so without discarding their identity/tradition, we should be able to do the same.

You ain't got no ambition but if identity and being blue is more important to trying to be the best we possibly can then that's up to you.

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

They're going for a full return to blue as far as i know, and i disagree with everything else in this post.

I do think going for fully blue is the best route, I don't think VT leaving would be a bad thing now that we're in the Premier League, and if we do go backwards again over a colour it would be totally worth it in my opinion, we can always build to get up to the Premier League again, the right way this time. But as i said, i dont think it would come to that as now were there, i don't think we necessarily need VT.

So you don't think we necessarily need a billionaire? You know of any billionaires in waiting who could replace him and pay the transfer fees wages stadium expansion state of the art training ground etc? Let me know now id love to know maybe id change my opinion then?

Don't need big transfers, i'd rather be like most other clubs in the league who manage without a billionaire owner, either sign players on frees or affordable fees, and still have our identity in tact.

If that makes it harder to stay in/get back to the Premier League then so be it, at least we'll have done it the right way. Most other clubs in the league manager to survive without a billionaire owner and every other club manages to do so without discarding their identity/tradition, we should be able to do the same.

You ain't got no ambition but if identity and being blue is more important to trying to be the best we possibly can then that's up to you.

Yeah it's definitely more important mate, to me anyway, as a supporter i don't feel more passionately about the club if were in a higher division, i feel the same in any division, but i do feel more passionately about the club when they have the identity i grew up supporting, i know not everyone feels that way.

Of course I would like to be in the Premier League too, but my point is that plenty of clubs have managed to get there without having a billionaire owner that rebrands the club, sure its harder without the billionaire yeah but far from impossible, i'd rather take my chances with a different owner personally and still have the identity in tact.

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

They're going for a full return to blue as far as i know, and i disagree with everything else in this post.

I do think going for fully blue is the best route, I don't think VT leaving would be a bad thing now that we're in the Premier League, and if we do go backwards again over a colour it would be totally worth it in my opinion, we can always build to get up to the Premier League again, the right way this time. But as i said, i dont think it would come to that as now were there, i don't think we necessarily need VT.

So you don't think we necessarily need a billionaire? You know of any billionaires in waiting who could replace him and pay the transfer fees wages stadium expansion state of the art training ground etc? Let me know now id love to know maybe id change my opinion then?

Don't need big transfers, i'd rather be like most other clubs in the league who manage without a billionaire owner, either sign players on frees or affordable fees, and still have our identity in tact.

If that makes it harder to stay in/get back to the Premier League then so be it, at least we'll have done it the right way. Most other clubs in the league manager to survive without a billionaire owner and every other club manages to do so without discarding their identity/tradition, we should be able to do the same.

You ain't got no ambition but if identity and being blue is more important to trying to be the best we possibly can then that's up to you.

Yeah it's definitely more important mate, to me anyway, as a supporter i don't feel more passionately about the club if were in a higher division, i feel the same in any division, but i do feel more passionately about the club when they have the identity i grew up supporting, i know not everyone feels that way.

Of course I would like to be in the Premier League too, but my point is that plenty of clubs have managed to get there without having a billionaire owner that rebrands the club, sure its harder without the billionaire yeah but far from impossible, i'd rather take my chances with a different owner personally and still have the identity in tact.

I understand where your coming from and can see why your opinion of the rebrand etc is what it is, but same as you I grew up supporting and knowing cardiff city in blue but to me growing as a club and seeing how far and successfull we can go is more important than retaining the blue, aslong as we are cardiff city and we play in cardiff and we are known as the bluebirds that's good enough for me.
In an ideal world like a blue red compromise and new badge but I'm willing to go along with VT because i support and believe in his vision and plans for the club and we would struggle to get anyone else to buy our club and run it with the same vision and financial backing as we have with VT

identity over success for me any day of the week its about belonging and the identity said it all without it you have to start to belong all over again .

I am not giving up on 34 years of belonging to this club for nobody or any amount of money .

So to say its just a colour is bollocks its everything the club stands for its the very symbol of Cardiff City and if bluebirds unite support a full change back to blue then i support that and if Tan wants to walk then let him no person is bigger than the club but thats what he has become.

The best way forward would be for Tan to say i made a mistake have the blue back but he will never loose face now.

everybody has an opinion on it which has made a fans divide which for me is just as upsetting as the rebrand.

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

There we are ,people folding already

I dont understand how anybody can just throw the identity away and start a new identity didnt it make you proud when they ran out on to the pitch in the famous blue kit didnt you feel a strong sense of pride and passion didt you feel a stong sense of belonging .Your gonna say yes so how can you just let it all go and move onto the rebrand.Tans vision is bollocks Real Madrid tried to tap into the asian market with little success its all about Tan himself thinking Red is lucky well Chelsea held 2 european tiles a few weeks back try telling there fans to turn to red.Bristol City in red got relegated so wtf.

I respect your stance but i dont bloody understand it at all but there we go

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

If bluebirds unite wants a compromise and some blue back then tidy, but if its full blue return then it's bad news for Ccfc in the long term.

The club is moving forward and going places now be sad to lose all that just because of a colour

CCFC "the club" are about the fans, CCFC is not about Malaysian markets. If blue brings the fans back closer to the institution, then that is good for 'the club', unless ofcourse 'the club' means something different too you.

You're making long term prediction of doom without any knowledge at all it seems. Do you know something we all don't?

I dont understand how anybody can just throw the identity away and start a new identity didnt it make you proud when they ran out on to the pitch in the famous blue kit didnt you feel a strong sense of pride and passion didt you feel a stong sense of belonging .Your gonna say yes so how can you just let it all go and move onto the rebrand.Tans vision is bollocks Real Madrid tried to tap into the asian market with little success its all about Tan himself thinking Red is lucky well Chelsea held 2 european tiles a few weeks back try telling there fans to turn to red.Bristol City in red got relegated so wtf.

I respect your stance but i dont bloody understand it at all but there we go

trouble is here bricky is that some fans call losing the blue home shirt losing its identity wheras most people i talk to see the identity as the name of the club and as long as they are watching cardiff city in cardiff city stadium in cardiff they can live with the shirt colour change albeit reluctantly in some cases.
thats the problem bluebirds unite have in my opinion wheras any hint of a name change and the opposition to tan would go through the roof

I dont understand how anybody can just throw the identity away and start a new identity didnt it make you proud when they ran out on to the pitch in the famous blue kit didnt you feel a strong sense of pride and passion didt you feel a stong sense of belonging .Your gonna say yes so how can you just let it all go and move onto the rebrand.Tans vision is bollocks Real Madrid tried to tap into the asian market with little success its all about Tan himself thinking Red is lucky well Chelsea held 2 european tiles a few weeks back try telling there fans to turn to red.Bristol City in red got relegated so wtf.

I respect your stance but i dont bloody understand it at all but there we go

trouble is here bricky is that some fans call losing the blue home shirt losing its identity wheras most people i talk to see the identity as the name of the club and as long as they are watching cardiff city in cardiff city stadium in cardiff they can live with the shirt colour change albeit reluctantly in some cases.
thats the problem bluebirds unite have in my opinion wheras any hint of a name change and the opposition to tan would go through the roof

Come off it, football fans identify strongly with colour and badges, It's tribal, they run deep, pretending otherwise is beyond in my view.

I dont understand how anybody can just throw the identity away and start a new identity didnt it make you proud when they ran out on to the pitch in the famous blue kit didnt you feel a strong sense of pride and passion didt you feel a stong sense of belonging .Your gonna say yes so how can you just let it all go and move onto the rebrand.Tans vision is bollocks Real Madrid tried to tap into the asian market with little success its all about Tan himself thinking Red is lucky well Chelsea held 2 european tiles a few weeks back try telling there fans to turn to red.Bristol City in red got relegated so wtf.

I respect your stance but i dont bloody understand it at all but there we go

And I respect your stance but I don't get how people get worked up over a colour and a badge.Its still CCFC And I've been going since 73 and for my money Tan has got nothing on some of the arsholes that have run/owned the club in the past.

I dont understand how anybody can just throw the identity away and start a new identity didnt it make you proud when they ran out on to the pitch in the famous blue kit didnt you feel a strong sense of pride and passion didt you feel a stong sense of belonging .Your gonna say yes so how can you just let it all go and move onto the rebrand.Tans vision is bollocks Real Madrid tried to tap into the asian market with little success its all about Tan himself thinking Red is lucky well Chelsea held 2 european tiles a few weeks back try telling there fans to turn to red.Bristol City in red got relegated so wtf.

I respect your stance but i dont bloody understand it at all but there we go

And I respect your stance but I don't get how people get worked up over a colour and a badge.Its still CCFC And I've been going since 73 and for my money Tan has got nothing on some of the arsholes that have run/owned the club in the past.

That's like me saying * Id don't get why you're bothered about four letters arranged into CCFC* It's just letters and letters are just a combination of curvry & straight lines.

To me the colour and name are interlinked, players,owners come and go, those symbols are/were ours. untouchable by transient entities like club owners in my view.

Anyone in the fold know what their aims are? If its a return to full blue and not a red blue compromise I think it's a bad idea and bad news for the club because I think VT walking away would f**k us right up anyone feel the same?

Agreed. A compromise would be far better.

I dont understand how anybody can just throw the identity away and start a new identity didnt it make you proud when they ran out on to the pitch in the famous blue kit didnt you feel a strong sense of pride and passion didt you feel a stong sense of belonging .Your gonna say yes so how can you just let it all go and move onto the rebrand.Tans vision is bollocks Real Madrid tried to tap into the asian market with little success its all about Tan himself thinking Red is lucky well Chelsea held 2 european tiles a few weeks back try telling there fans to turn to red.Bristol City in red got relegated so wtf.

I respect your stance but i dont bloody understand it at all but there we go

trouble is here bricky is that some fans call losing the blue home shirt losing its identity wheras most people i talk to see the identity as the name of the club and as long as they are watching cardiff city in cardiff city stadium in cardiff they can live with the shirt colour change albeit reluctantly in some cases.
thats the problem bluebirds unite have in my opinion wheras any hint of a name change and the opposition to tan would go through the roof

Come off it, football fans identify strongly with colour and badges, It's tribal, they run deep, pretending otherwise is beyond in my view.

football fans want to identify with success and especially at this club where most fans have never seen the club at the highest level. The brighton free scarf take up was a huge shock to me and since that time its obvious the vast majority of fans ( season tickets sales show this IMO) have accepted the shirt colour in exchange for success.
I believe the majority of the fan base would love to see the club back in blue but not at the expense of alienating tan and thats the size of the task facing bluebirds unite.

Some of the pro blues will be the first to walk in my opinion if we went into administration and did a Portsmouth. When I was stood alongside the likes of Scott years back on the terrace there weren't this many fans about. There wont be if we go back to League One either (The old Div2). We were around 14/15 at the time. He's stuck with his convictions on the identity and will always have my respect for that. We all have a different moral compass and different aims for what we want for the club, what is acceptable and what isn't.

Some of the people crying about our identity were still in bloody nappies in those dire, dire days stuck behind a bloody pillar in Ninian because you forgot to ask at the ticket office for one elsewhere. Its mad to think there are even fans who went through even more dire times than that.

Be careful what you wish for. Wolves fans didn't look happy during their pitch invasion and they had their identity in tact.

I dont understand how anybody can just throw the identity away and start a new identity didnt it make you proud when they ran out on to the pitch in the famous blue kit didnt you feel a strong sense of pride and passion didt you feel a stong sense of belonging .Your gonna say yes so how can you just let it all go and move onto the rebrand.Tans vision is bollocks Real Madrid tried to tap into the asian market with little success its all about Tan himself thinking Red is lucky well Chelsea held 2 european tiles a few weeks back try telling there fans to turn to red.Bristol City in red got relegated so wtf.

I respect your stance but i dont bloody understand it at all but there we go

trouble is here bricky is that some fans call losing the blue home shirt losing its identity wheras most people i talk to see the identity as the name of the club and as long as they are watching cardiff city in cardiff city stadium in cardiff they can live with the shirt colour change albeit reluctantly in some cases.
thats the problem bluebirds unite have in my opinion wheras any hint of a name change and the opposition to tan would go through the roof

Come off it, football fans identify strongly with colour and badges, It's tribal, they run deep, pretending otherwise is beyond in my view.

football fans want to identify with success and especially at this club where most fans have never seen the club at the highest level. The brighton free scarf take up was a huge shock to me and since that time its obvious the vast majority of fans ( season tickets sales show this IMO) have accepted the shirt colour in exchange for success.
I believe the majority of the fan base would love to see the club back in blue but not at the expense of alienating tan and thats the size of the task facing bluebirds unite.

Football fans who want to "identify with sucess" that badly have supported LFC MUFC ETC Long ago, Those who chose CCFC seek something deeper than success at any cost, It's about local identity, feeling part of something bigger than you. but it is still definately YOU and not some play thing of a nutcase in Malaysia.

Some of the pro blues will be the first to walk in my opinion if we went into administration and did a Portsmouth. When I was stood alongside the likes of Scott years back on the terrace there weren't this many fans about. There wont be if we go back to League One either (The old Div2). We were around 14/15 at the time. He's stuck with his convictions on the identity and will always have my respect for that. We all have a different moral compass and different aims for what we want for the club, what is acceptable and what isn't.

Some of the people crying about our identity were still in bloody nappies in those dire, dire days stuck behind a bloody pillar in Ninian because you forgot to ask at the ticket office for one elsewhere. Its mad to think there are even fans who went through even more dire times than that.

Be careful what you wish for. Wolves fans didn't look happy during their pitch invasion and they had their identity in tact.

Did you attend the march at the castle? Many known faces from years gone by. You think these will be first to walk after supporting us in the dungeon all their life? Are you serious?

I think a lot of people are missing the point here... would it be disastrous if Tan left? No. Would it be better if he stayed? Yes.

Bluebirds Unite isn't about forcing Tan out - if you look at the preamble to the BU petition it reads:

Whilst we are grateful for the help and success that has been bought to the club, we ask that you reconsider the recent re-brand and allow us to celebrate Premiership success under our TRUE IDENTITY as Cardiff City Bluebirds.

It doesn't ask that Tan up and leave, because only an idiot would want that if we could keep him AND return to blue. The goal is, as I see it, to open up dialogue with Tan that hasn't been done so far in all his time at the club. All opposition to the rebrand he has encoutered is songs aimed at him or advisors informing him that people aren't happy - and neither of these situations were ever likely to cause him to have a change of heart.

If we can show Tan what it means to us, and we can make him see, of his own accord, that fans really care about the identity and history of their club, then there is at least a chance that he will respect that and instigate a return to blue.

I know you'll say "rubbish, we'll never be blue under Tan, blah blah blah..." well yes, I think we all accept that this is a distinct possibility, but it's at least worth a try.

With regards to the "we're still Cardiff City, we're still the bluebirds..." I disagree. When you really look at a football club, and how it changes over the years, there is almost nothing left over today from, for example, 1927 (I use this date simply because of it's significance in CCFC history). What is left over? The identity. The colour. The nickname. The very life and soul of a football club lies in what it represents. In 100 years time, there'll be new owners, new players, new staff, new fans... new everything, apart from that one special colour and one special nickname. The Bluebirds. Except that may not be the case.

In 100 years time, the Bluebirds may be long forgotten, and blue won't be in the memory of even one Cardiff fan. I can't accept that my great-grandchildren won't get to acknowledge their team as the Bluebirds, and it hurts me to even consider that. Sure, they'll still support Cardiff City and still go to the same stadium, but they wont have any idea about what it felt to have this irrational attatchment to a colour and a badge. Well they will, but it won't the the same as the one I loved.

Ultimately, the club will change forever. The one echo of the past will be wiped from memory and only remembered by very old men. We can't let that happen/

All that being said, I think Tan is less liable that people realise. Yes, he's the one behind this whole thing but I bet he's not even aware of the sheer depth of people's feelings. Like I said, the only first hand encounters he gets with anti-rebrand opinion is hearing songs in the stadium and there haven't been too many of them, and he was at the Brighton game when the stadium was a sea of red.

Other than that he's surrounded by yes men who tell him what he wants to hear, so he has no real idea that people care this much. He thought his move would be accepted and he hasn't had any real reason to believe it isn't accepted - he proved this delusion when he said that it was only a tiny minority of fans were against the rebrand.

All that being said, I think Tan is less liable that people realise. Yes, he's the one behind this whole thing but I bet he's not even aware of the sheer depth of people's feelings. Like I said, the only first hand encounters he gets with anti-rebrand opinion is hearing songs in the stadium and there haven't been too many of them, and he was at the Brighton game when the stadium was a sea of red.

Other than that he's surrounded by yes men who tell him what he wants to hear, so he has no real idea that people care this much. He thought his move would be accepted and he hasn't had any real reason to believe it isn't accepted - he proved this delusion when he said that it was only a tiny minority of fans were against the rebrand.

Sadly 100% Correct Joe and people inside the club, even some fans have not helped at all, they have not only endorsed the Red, they've Arsed licked him, Tan I believe would of compromised if we had not been lied to and Tan had realised how much it was hated and the minute City are on a loosing run, most of the New Red fans will be off.

Some of the people crying about our identity were still in bloody nappies in those dire, dire days stuck behind a bloody pillar in Ninian because you forgot to ask at the ticket office for one elsewhere. .

Stop chatting shit Barney, you just move to a different seat its not like it was a sell out. We barely averaged half the capacity in Ninian park.

Some of the people crying about our identity were still in bloody nappies in those dire, dire days stuck behind a bloody pillar in Ninian because you forgot to ask at the ticket office for one elsewhere. .

Stop chatting shit Barney, you just move to a different seat its not like it was a sell out. We barely averaged half the capacity in Ninian park.

Polo not to many posts today, remember it's your 1st day back after your few days of rest bite care, you don't want to go back down that road

Some of the people crying about our identity were still in bloody nappies in those dire, dire days stuck behind a bloody pillar in Ninian because you forgot to ask at the ticket office for one elsewhere. .

Stop chatting shit Barney, you just move to a different seat its not like it was a sell out. We barely averaged half the capacity in Ninian park.

Clearly never sat in the family stand then. Also, please refrain from using colourful language Polo. You know its not allowed.

Of course 9/10 you could move to a different seat unless there was a steward who took his job too seriously but still, NInian wasn't the utopia many believe it was. We've moved forward and should embrace it and be happy.

The first point is true too, half of KCB are still in school. Its a good thing Bluebirds Unite are a different group but if you think those supporting the KCB cause wont align themselves with Bluebirds Unite then maybe you're not the intellect I thought you were. Just like BNP members tag along the UKIP bandwagon, KCB members will do the same with Bluebirds Unite.

Some of the pro blues will be the first to walk in my opinion if we went into administration and did a Portsmouth. When I was stood alongside the likes of Scott years back on the terrace there weren't this many fans about. There wont be if we go back to League One either (The old Div2). We were around 14/15 at the time. He's stuck with his convictions on the identity and will always have my respect for that. We all have a different moral compass and different aims for what we want for the club, what is acceptable and what isn't.

Some of the people crying about our identity were still in bloody nappies in those dire, dire days stuck behind a bloody pillar in Ninian because you forgot to ask at the ticket office for one elsewhere. Its mad to think there are even fans who went through even more dire times than that.

Be careful what you wish for. Wolves fans didn't look happy during their pitch invasion and they had their identity in tact.

Are you sure you went to Ninian Park I can't remember many people sitting where they were supposed to. Usually plenty of seats a out

Are you sure you went to Ninian Park I can't remember many people sitting where they were supposed to. Usually plenty of seats a out

Yes, when I was young in the family stand. When I was old enough to go myself in the Bob Bank. Bob Bank was great, of that there is no doubt, even if the rain was pouring down on you but the Family Stand was busy a few times I was there.

I dont understand how anybody can just throw the identity away and start a new identity didnt it make you proud when they ran out on to the pitch in the famous blue kit didnt you feel a strong sense of pride and passion didt you feel a stong sense of belonging .Your gonna say yes so how can you just let it all go and move onto the rebrand.Tans vision is bollocks Real Madrid tried to tap into the asian market with little success its all about Tan himself thinking Red is lucky well Chelsea held 2 european tiles a few weeks back try telling there fans to turn to red.Bristol City in red got relegated so wtf.

I respect your stance but i dont bloody understand it at all but there we go

trouble is here bricky is that some fans call losing the blue home shirt losing its identity wheras most people i talk to see the identity as the name of the club and as long as they are watching cardiff city in cardiff city stadium in cardiff they can live with the shirt colour change albeit reluctantly in some cases.
thats the problem bluebirds unite have in my opinion wheras any hint of a name change and the opposition to tan would go through the roof

Come off it, football fans identify strongly with colour and badges, It's tribal, they run deep, pretending otherwise is beyond in my view.

football fans want to identify with success and especially at this club where most fans have never seen the club at the highest level. The brighton free scarf take up was a huge shock to me and since that time its obvious the vast majority of fans ( season tickets sales show this IMO) have accepted the shirt colour in exchange for success.
I believe the majority of the fan base would love to see the club back in blue but not at the expense of alienating tan and thats the size of the task facing bluebirds unite.

True,very true