The Tanipulator ?!
Fri May 31, 2013 10:39 am
What form of democracy is offering 12000 ST Holders on the club's e-mail database a vote on an issue when seemingly , that most popular option within that issue is not even listed ?
Surely this is no form of democracy ? If the Tanipulator had any real feel to bring the fans on board, a free & fair vote would have been offered ? ! Once again Tan's contempt for the fan's of CARDIFF CITY FC is there for all to see , not only is this vote an insult to democracy it is a further attempt to manipulate the true wishes of so many fans to have BLUE present within the club's regular playing kit !
Feel free agree or disagree , voice your opinions as you will , pro or anti Tan ! Stand up for what you believe in , one way or the other !
TAN OUT !
Surely this is no form of democracy ? If the Tanipulator had any real feel to bring the fans on board, a free & fair vote would have been offered ? ! Once again Tan's contempt for the fan's of CARDIFF CITY FC is there for all to see , not only is this vote an insult to democracy it is a further attempt to manipulate the true wishes of so many fans to have BLUE present within the club's regular playing kit !
Feel free agree or disagree , voice your opinions as you will , pro or anti Tan ! Stand up for what you believe in , one way or the other !
TAN OUT !
Re: The Tanipulator ?!
Fri May 31, 2013 10:52 am
Cardiff Blues wrote:http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=114177
Check this out
Couldn't agree more , high time those who feel strongly enough , voiced our thoughts ! I salute you !
Re: The Tanipulator ?!
Fri May 31, 2013 10:56 am
Coco wrote:What form of democracy is offering 12000 ST Holders on the club's e-mail database a vote on an issue when seemingly , that most popular option within that issue is not even listed ?
Surely this is no form of democracy ? If the Tanipulator had any real feel to bring the fans on board, a free & fair vote would have been offered ? ! Once again Tan's contempt for the fan's of CARDIFF CITY FC is there for all to see , not only is this vote an insult to democracy it is a further attempt to manipulate the true wishes of so many fans to have BLUE present within the club's regular playing kit !
Feel free agree or disagree , voice your opinions as you will , pro or anti Tan ! Stand up for what you believe in , one way or the other !
TAN OUT !
Your right asking 12,000 folk to vote is an outrage... Where was our other 238,000 on our databases.
I vote we have no input in the future .. Who's with me?
Re: The Tanipulator ?!
Fri May 31, 2013 11:00 am
Dicey wrote:Coco wrote:What form of democracy is offering 12000 ST Holders on the club's e-mail database a vote on an issue when seemingly , that most popular option within that issue is not even listed ?
Surely this is no form of democracy ? If the Tanipulator had any real feel to bring the fans on board, a free & fair vote would have been offered ? ! Once again Tan's contempt for the fan's of CARDIFF CITY FC is there for all to see , not only is this vote an insult to democracy it is a further attempt to manipulate the true wishes of so many fans to have BLUE present within the club's regular playing kit !
Feel free agree or disagree , voice your opinions as you will , pro or anti Tan ! Stand up for what you believe in , one way or the other !
TAN OUT !
Your right asking 12,000 folk to vote is an outrage... Where was our other 238,000 on our databases.
I vote we have no input in the future .. Who's with me?
I am , but only if my ballot paper gets binned first !
Re: The Tanipulator ?!
Fri May 31, 2013 11:07 am
Coco wrote:What form of democracy is offering 12000 ST Holders on the club's e-mail database a vote on an issue when seemingly , that most popular option within that issue is not even listed ?
Surely this is no form of democracy ? If the Tanipulator had any real feel to bring the fans on board, a free & fair vote would have been offered ? ! Once again Tan's contempt for the fan's of CARDIFF CITY FC is there for all to see , not only is this vote an insult to democracy it is a further attempt to manipulate the true wishes of so many fans to have BLUE present within the club's regular playing kit !
Feel free agree or disagree , voice your opinions as you will , pro or anti Tan ! Stand up for what you believe in , one way or the other !
TAN OUT !
He's from a country where democracy isn't really rated. I've always said that this issue trancends football.
Re: The Tanipulator ?!
Fri May 31, 2013 11:39 am
Coco wrote:What form of democracy is offering 12000 ST Holders on the club's e-mail database a vote on an issue when seemingly , that most popular option within that issue is not even listed ?
Surely this is no form of democracy ? If the Tanipulator had any real feel to bring the fans on board, a free & fair vote would have been offered ? ! Once again Tan's contempt for the fan's of CARDIFF CITY FC is there for all to see , not only is this vote an insult to democracy it is a further attempt to manipulate the true wishes of so many fans to have BLUE present within the club's regular playing kit !
Feel free agree or disagree , voice your opinions as you will , pro or anti Tan ! Stand up for what you believe in , one way or the other !
TAN OUT !
Because it's NOT an option, bach, is it?
As for your 'Tan Out' comment? Well, let's just say you cannot have the best interests of Cardiff City FC at heart if you genuinely think forcing VT out would have any other effect on our club than disaster
There are some pretty good people working behind the scenes (I'm sure Annis and Carl will confirm that
) trying to influence what goes on at our club and whilst most (like us) are pro-blue, almost all understand that this club might not have been in business today if it were not for Vincent Tan. They also see that whilst regrettable, the move from blue to red was something they couldn't really deny Vincent Tan given the alternatives he put on the table; particularly as he genuinely believes red will have a positive influence on the strong Far Eastern Financial Markets
They may well have been nothing more than 'threats' but the consensus amongst those involved was that it was not a risk worth taking given that the guy had put in such a vast amount of money; most of it going towards 'historical' debt that was of others making
Since then, he (Tan) has steadied the ship, paid off (most of) the debt, got rid of Paul Guy, sent the egg-chasers packing, is about to 'seal the deal' with Langston, provided us with Malky Mackay and financed a team that has got us to the Premier League as Champions!
Feck, it's a bit like Brian asking "What did the roman's ever do for us?"
Regardless of what some may say to the contrary, Vincent Tan has provided us with more than we could have dreamed of in just a few short years and why certain others cannot see that is for their own selective minds
Re: The Tanipulator ?!
Fri May 31, 2013 6:03 pm
YOU jump into bed with Tan Sven ,cwtch up tight ! There'll come the day when the current regime's tenure of CCFC isn't as highly regarded as it seems through the rose-tinted specs YOU obviously favour !
I don't think for one minute Tan's rebrand is anywhere near over ! As I proud Welshman & City supporter , I abhor the fact that the flag of Malaysia outnumbers the Welsh Dragon 2:1 at the CCS . I abhor the fact that the CCS is festooned with Malaysia this & Cosway that ! He is utilising the brand name of footy in the capital city of Wales for his own personal financial gain and of course , he is perfectly entitled to do that , as are you to jump into bed with him & I to call for his removal , that is what is democracy is all about !
I am grateful for the efforts of those working behind the scenes for the long term benefit of this great club of ours but Tan does not seem to be budging one jot , far from it ! His continued lack of respect ( we'll differ on that eh !?) for CCFCs fans , it's history & heritage , its colours , it's badge and his seemingly very individual understanding of the workings of democracy suggest this most strongly ! Vote black , vote white , vote red or red BUT not blue !
I don't doubt for one minute his credentials as a hard- nosed & successful businessman and he is at liberty to do very much as he pleases with the BLUEBIRDS , but I don't have to agree with the road he is taking !
TAN OUT ! The sooner the better for me !
I don't think for one minute Tan's rebrand is anywhere near over ! As I proud Welshman & City supporter , I abhor the fact that the flag of Malaysia outnumbers the Welsh Dragon 2:1 at the CCS . I abhor the fact that the CCS is festooned with Malaysia this & Cosway that ! He is utilising the brand name of footy in the capital city of Wales for his own personal financial gain and of course , he is perfectly entitled to do that , as are you to jump into bed with him & I to call for his removal , that is what is democracy is all about !
I am grateful for the efforts of those working behind the scenes for the long term benefit of this great club of ours but Tan does not seem to be budging one jot , far from it ! His continued lack of respect ( we'll differ on that eh !?) for CCFCs fans , it's history & heritage , its colours , it's badge and his seemingly very individual understanding of the workings of democracy suggest this most strongly ! Vote black , vote white , vote red or red BUT not blue !
I don't doubt for one minute his credentials as a hard- nosed & successful businessman and he is at liberty to do very much as he pleases with the BLUEBIRDS , but I don't have to agree with the road he is taking !
TAN OUT ! The sooner the better for me !
Re: The Tanipulator ?!
Fri May 31, 2013 6:22 pm
Coco wrote:YOU jump into bed with Tan Sven ,cwtch up tight ! There'll come the day when the current regime's tenure of CCFC isn't as highly regarded as it seems through the rose-tinted specs YOU obviously favour !
I don't think for one minute Tan's rebrand is anywhere near over ! As I proud Welshman & City supporter , I abhor the fact that the flag of Malaysia outnumbers the Welsh Dragon 2:1 at the CCS . I abhor the fact that the CCS is festooned with Malaysia this & Cosway that ! He is utilising the brand name of footy in the capital city of Wales for his own personal financial gain and of course , he is perfectly entitled to do that , as are you to jump into bed with him & I to call for his removal , that is what is democracy is all about !
I am grateful for the efforts of those working behind the scenes for the long term benefit of this great club of ours but Tan does not seem to be budging one jot , far from it ! His continued lack of respect ( we'll differ on that eh !?) for CCFCs fans , it's history & heritage , its colours , it's badge and his seemingly very individual understanding of the workings of democracy suggest this most strongly ! Vote black , vote white , vote red or red BUT not blue !
I don't doubt for one minute his credentials as a hard- nosed & successful businessman and he is at liberty to do very much as he pleases with the BLUEBIRDS , but I don't have to agree with the road he is taking !
TAN OUT ! The sooner the better for me !
Hardly 'jumped into bed' (there are others on here who are MUCH closer to him than me, yet are PUBLICLY spouting their opposition
) and if you bother looking properly you will see I am actually pro-blue in an ideal world, bach You can 'abhor' what you like but the simple fact is that this is now effectively VT's club to with as he likes and for c.£80m there isn't really much us mortals can do about it, is there (except moan and whinge, of course) at this present time?
Our MAIN sponsors are simply 'Malaysia' and are you saying that if, say, we were sponsored by @Nike' that they wouldn't have their 'logo' all over the stadium. It is (even though you can't see it) exactly the same
Tan certainly isn't budging; not on ONE item at least. But everywhere else he has been nothing but positive and progressive in sorting our club out and putting it on the road to more success than it has ever had
You can believe what you want on his intent and longevity and only time will tell who is right BUT one thing you cannot (in fact, you haven't TBF) deny is his right to make the decisions HE feels are best to take this club forward
As for 'not having t agree' with the road he has taken I would suggest you are not in the minority of wishing there could be another way. However, he has stated that the red is here to stay and (even reluctantly) supporters should at least appreciate his logic where he feels the club can benefit from superstitions in the Far Eastern Markets
As someone else stated on here elsewhere today, you realistically have two choices at this time; either (reluctantly) accept the red in exchange for Premier League football in Cardiff OR walk away out of respect for yourself and your beliefs
Somehow, I think you'll be sat in the stands like 27,000+ others come kick-off in August
Re: The Tanipulator ?!
Fri May 31, 2013 7:01 pm
I disagree with the two choice option !
As a further avenue to either reluctantly agreeing or walking away , I also feel that we can support CCFC as we have always done with the option of promoting an anti-Tan stance ! For me , because I love Cardiff City , as I'm sure you do , it does not mean I have to accept whatever Tan does , reluctantly or otherwise ! Even though they are currently intertwined , they can be viewed separately !
I will continue to support the City & continue to promote Tan's demise as Chairman . He for me , has made little of the glorious opportunity afforded him .By showing a lack of respect for all thingss CCFC - the kit/badge aspects alongside the minimising of all things Welsh within the CCS , he has alienated a huge number of fans ! Fans that could have in time , elevated him to a legendary status within the annals of CCFC !
No doubt you & I , along with those working so diligently & unseen , behind the scenes are amongst those fans striving for the marriage of the Cardiff City of old with the Cardiff City of now ! How we work to that end is an individual choice , but we must all be able to choose an option that enables us to sleep peacefully at night , conscience clear ! I 'm not for one minute ,saying my option is the only way , but it is the way I choose ! I wish you well in yours !
TAN OUT !
As a further avenue to either reluctantly agreeing or walking away , I also feel that we can support CCFC as we have always done with the option of promoting an anti-Tan stance ! For me , because I love Cardiff City , as I'm sure you do , it does not mean I have to accept whatever Tan does , reluctantly or otherwise ! Even though they are currently intertwined , they can be viewed separately !
I will continue to support the City & continue to promote Tan's demise as Chairman . He for me , has made little of the glorious opportunity afforded him .By showing a lack of respect for all thingss CCFC - the kit/badge aspects alongside the minimising of all things Welsh within the CCS , he has alienated a huge number of fans ! Fans that could have in time , elevated him to a legendary status within the annals of CCFC !
No doubt you & I , along with those working so diligently & unseen , behind the scenes are amongst those fans striving for the marriage of the Cardiff City of old with the Cardiff City of now ! How we work to that end is an individual choice , but we must all be able to choose an option that enables us to sleep peacefully at night , conscience clear ! I 'm not for one minute ,saying my option is the only way , but it is the way I choose ! I wish you well in yours !
TAN OUT !