PLASTICS

when swansea reached the premier league and we gained our new fans all you went on about is that they were rugby /plastic fans, never watched the swans before and were only turned up to watch man u , liverpool etc, now your there im intrested what catergory your new fans will fall under , and dont say they were always there, you averaged around 22,000 all season until the last few games , then the glory hunters turned up,no doubt you will sellout all season with fans that will want to watch the big teams .

Had over 20,000 S/T holders.
Some will be plastics of course.
Whats you point?

when swansea reached the premier league and we gained our new fans all you went on about is that they were rugby /plastic fans, never watched the swans before and were only turned up to watch man u , liverpool etc, now your there im intrested what catergory your new fans will fall under , and dont say they were always there, you averaged around 22,000 all season until the last few games , then the glory hunters turned up,no doubt you will sellout all season with fans that will want to watch the big teams .

I detect worry in your post
We are the capital city
We are bigger than your tin pot town that only has a few nice beaches and a green apple kiosk to offer..
Your football club is punching above it's weight and it won't be long before you find your level along side your twin club the english wigan...

You doubled your crowd with plastics, we will just be adding 10% which will be made up of corporates and older fans coming back

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[quote="GENERAL CHAT"]Had over 20,000 S/T holders.
Some will be plastics of course.
Whats you point?[/qu the way you went on when those threads were about that this sort of thing wouldnt happen to you because of your massive fan base , but we all know it happens to every club and you are no different.there were loads of threads saying our fans were only there to watch the big teams , do you agree the same will happen to you .

when swansea reached the premier league and we gained our new fans all you went on about is that they were rugby /plastic fans, never watched the swans before and were only turned up to watch man u , liverpool etc, now your there im intrested what catergory your new fans will fall under , and dont say they were always there, you averaged around 22,000 all season until the last few games , then the glory hunters turned up,no doubt you will sellout all season with fans that will want to watch the big teams .

I detect worry in your post
We are the capital city
We are bigger than your tin pot town that only has a few nice beaches and a green apple kiosk to offer..
Your football club is punching above it's weight and it won't be long before you find your level along side your twin club the english wigan...

if you cant answer the post in a decent manner dont bother , go and do some gardening

Had over 20,000 S/T holders.
Some will be plastics of course.
Whats you point?[/qu the way you went on when those threads were about that this sort of thing wouldnt happen to you because of your massive fan base , but we all know it happens to every club and you are no different.there were loads of threads saying our fans were only there to watch the big teams , do you agree the same will happen to you .

Please find where I have said these things?

We do have a large fan base though. No doubt the biggest in this country.

You doubled your crowd with plastics, we will just be adding 10% which will be made up of corporates and older fans coming back

so then the last few games which sold out were all corporate and the old boys , do me a favour , its nice of you to put a positive spin on it,there will thousands there just because its the premier league.

Had over 20,000 S/T holders.
Some will be plastics of course.
Whats you point?[/qu the way you went on when those threads were about that this sort of thing wouldnt happen to you because of your massive fan base , but we all know it happens to every club and you are no different.there were loads of threads saying our fans were only there to watch the big teams , do you agree the same will happen to you .

Please find where I have said these things?

We do have a large fan base though. No doubt the biggest in this country.

i never said you said this ,i'm responding to the threads that were started when we went up.

You doubled your crowd with plastics, we will just be adding 10% which will be made up of corporates and older fans coming back

so then the last few games which sold out were all corporate and the old boys , do me a favour , its nice of you to put a positive spin on it,there will thousands there just because its the premier league.

Wether you choose to admit it or not Mush, Cardiff has a huge catchment area so we dont need to rely on rugby fans to come and fill the stadium.

Swansea, for all its nice surrounding areas such as the Gower, is a very small City in the back of beyond so you have to rely on Rugby fans and Liverpool / Man U types to make up the numbers.

No coincidence your crowds increase and you start singing rugby songs.

Thats not to knock the 3,000 or so Swansea die-hards who have been there since the dungeon but even back then if you had a big game you would maybe pull 8,000 but we used to pull 16-20,000.

Its just the way it is fella I dont know why you lot get so upset about it.

Cardiff = bigger city and capital city and better location so will obviously attract more support.

Had over 20,000 S/T holders.
Some will be plastics of course.
Whats you point?[/qu the way you went on when those threads were about that this sort of thing wouldnt happen to you because of your massive fan base , but we all know it happens to every club and you are no different.there were loads of threads saying our fans were only there to watch the big teams , do you agree the same will happen to you .

Please find where I have said these things?

We do have a large fan base though. No doubt the biggest in this country.

i never said you said this ,i'm responding to the threads that were started when we went up.

so then the last few games which sold out were all corporate and the old boys , do me a favour , its nice of you to put a positive spin on it,there will thousands there just because its the premier league.

Okay then, out of the 2,000 extra fans, you're saying all were plastics and had never been before?
Even so,(but I doubt it) it's only a small percentage. (about 10%)
(In comparison to your crowd increase, from your last year in the championship, 15,000ish average, almost a 25% increase, would be far more than ours)
If that makes sense?

Basically, you had a much higher increase in fans percentage wise, you were bound to get a bigger average of plastics.

You doubled your crowd with plastics, we will just be adding 10% which will be made up of corporates and older fans coming back

so then the last few games which sold out were all corporate and the old boys , do me a favour , its nice of you to put a positive spin on it,there will thousands there just because its the premier league.

Wether you choose to admit it or not Mush, Cardiff has a huge catchment area so we dont need to rely on rugby fans to come and fill the stadium.

Swansea, for all its nice surrounding areas such as the Gower, is a very small City in the back of beyond so you have to rely on Rugby fans and Liverpool / Man U types to make up the numbers.

No coincidence your crowds increase and you start singing rugby songs.

Thats not to knock the 3,000 or so Swansea die-hards who have been there since the dungeon but even back then if you had a big game you would maybe pull 8,000 but we used to pull 16-20,000.

Its just the way it is fella I dont know why you lot get so upset about it.

Cardiff = bigger city and capital city and better location so will obviously attract more support.

i'm not saying you dont have a bigger catchment area, you walked the league and your fans did not come. as for rugby songs , do you mean the one you lot used to sing, and don t be mistaken i'm not upset , just discussing. cardiff =bigger city yes, capital yes , football team second best in my opinion which is the the ket factor dont you think.

You doubled your crowd with plastics, we will just be adding 10% which will be made up of corporates and older fans coming back

so then the last few games which sold out were all corporate and the old boys , do me a favour , its nice of you to put a positive spin on it,there will thousands there just because its the premier league.

Wether you choose to admit it or not Mush, Cardiff has a huge catchment area so we dont need to rely on rugby fans to come and fill the stadium.

Swansea, for all its nice surrounding areas such as the Gower, is a very small City in the back of beyond so you have to rely on Rugby fans and Liverpool / Man U types to make up the numbers.

No coincidence your crowds increase and you start singing rugby songs.

Thats not to knock the 3,000 or so Swansea die-hards who have been there since the dungeon but even back then if you had a big game you would maybe pull 8,000 but we used to pull 16-20,000.

Its just the way it is fella I dont know why you lot get so upset about it.

Cardiff = bigger city and capital city and better location so will obviously attract more support.

i'm not saying you dont have a bigger catchment area, you walked the league and your fans did not come. as for rugby songs , do you mean the one you lot used to sing, and don t be mistaken i'm not upset , just discussing. cardiff =bigger city yes, capital yes , football team second best in my opinion which is the the ket factor dont you think.

I see us as in the same league and with the same points total at the moment.
Who is the best will be decided in the coming season.

Had over 20,000 S/T holders.
Some will be plastics of course.
Whats you point?[/qu the way you went on when those threads were about that this sort of thing wouldnt happen to you because of your massive fan base , but we all know it happens to every club and you are no different.there were loads of threads saying our fans were only there to watch the big teams , do you agree the same will happen to you .

Please find where I have said these things?

We do have a large fan base though. No doubt the biggest in this country.

i never said you said this ,i'm responding to the threads that were started when we went up.

so then the last few games which sold out were all corporate and the old boys , do me a favour , its nice of you to put a positive spin on it,there will thousands there just because its the premier league.

you have the bigger catchment area which will mean more rugby fans more man u , liverpool etc fans , im not saying you dont have a big hardcore fanbase but you also will have a lot more plastics turning up then you think.

Okay then, out of the 2,000 extra fans, you're saying all were plastics and had never been before?
Even so,(but I doubt it) it's only a small percentage. (about 10%)
(In comparison to your crowd increase, from your last year in the championship, 15,000ish average, almost a 25% increase, would be far more than ours)
If that makes sense?

Basically, you had a much higher increase in fans percentage wise, you were bound to get a bigger average of plastics.

you have the bigger catchment area which will mean more rugby fans more man u , liverpool etc fans , im not saying you dont have a big hardcore fanbase but you also will have a lot more plastics turning up then you think.

No, as there was not the room, however, we are now increasing the capacity of the ground so hopefully yes, I hope we do attract the plastics. The more the merrier, it can only help the club in the long run.
We will always be the best supported club in Wales. ( old fans and new)
Fancy a ticket?

You doubled your crowd with plastics, we will just be adding 10% which will be made up of corporates and older fans coming back

so then the last few games which sold out were all corporate and the old boys , do me a favour , its nice of you to put a positive spin on it,there will thousands there just because its the premier league.

Come off it Jack. As Pollo says you doubled your STs from 8,000 to 16,000 when you got to the premier where we have only add about 1,000. That's 7,000 less that you for starters. Even if we have a maximum walk up to a game we will still be far less than you on the plastic front.

May I remind you, that in YOUR promotion season, we had an average of 8k more than you.

cardiff =bigger city yes, capital yes , football team second best in my opinion which is the the key factor dont you think.

Yes I do think football is the key factor, but youve started a thread on attendances and ive given my opinion

Weve had around 20,000 season ticket holders for a few years now so putting a few thousand more on our gate we dont need to reach out to anyone and everyone.

Swansea on the other hand, before they hit the big time had 10,000 ST holders, then their gates increased as there was a chance to get to the PL, and when you did hit the PL you doubled your STs from 10,000 to 20,000.

To do this you had to reach out to the whole City and that meant taking in rugby fans and plastics.

If Swans get relegated they will be back down to 10,000 within 2 seasons.

Cardiff on the other hand have been getting 20,000 ST holders for season after season in the Championship, and after dissapointment after dissapointment.

Now I suggest in future you start a thread on the football if thats the key element as you are never going to win the fan base argument.

Also, anyone remember that "Swansea" fan interviewed before the 2nd leg against Chelsea

Guy in his late 40's / early 50's, Jack scarf: "I dont really mind who wins Ive supported Chelsea most of my life"

Says it all really.

If we were playing in a 40k stadium and we all of a sudden started filling it out from our average attendance this season then you may have a point, but Our stadium only holds just under 27k so hardly a massive amount jumping on the bandwagon, considering we've been averaging around 22k since we moved to the new stadium, and the size of our catchment area. In my opinion its good to see us both reclaiming our areas back from the armchair man united liverpool fans... Hopefully they will go the same way as white dog shit, the longer both our clubs stay in the premier league

If we were playing in a 40k stadium and we all of a sudden started filling it out from our average attendance this season then you may have a point, but Our stadium only holds just under 27k so hardly a massive amount jumping on the bandwagon, considering we've been averaging around 22k since we moved to the new stadium, and the size of our catchment area. In my opinion its good to see us both reclaiming our areas back from the armchair man united liverpool fans... Hopefully they will go the same way as white dog shit, the longer both our clubs stay in the premier league

They havent reclaimed their area though. Mate of mine in work, says he cant stand what the PL has done to the jacks, reckons there is hundreds of people turning up in rugby / liverpool / man u shirts every home game.

when swansea reached the premier league and we gained our new fans all you went on about is that they were rugby /plastic fans, never watched the swans before and were only turned up to watch man u , liverpool etc, now your there im intrested what catergory your new fans will fall under , and dont say they were always there, you averaged around 22,000 all season until the last few games , then the glory hunters turned up,no doubt you will sellout all season with fans that will want to watch the big teams .

When you gypos got promoted to the premier league you averaged 15,000, that included one game (coventry) where you only got 10,000, the same season we averaged 23,000, this season we again averaged 23,000 at a time when virtually every team outside the premier league has had a drop in attendances, we sold 20,000 season tickets last season and have sold 22,000 season tickets for next season a long time before promotion was achieved, every team that gets into the premier league will attract more fans, wheather it new ones or old ones coming back, they come to see the top teams and a better standard of football that's how it works, in our case, we can only cater for about another 3,000 fans due to the amount of tickets already sold and away capacity. Hope this helps you come to terms with your obvious bitterness

Someone throw in the towel Polo has just savaged the jack who started this thread.

If we were playing in a 40k stadium and we all of a sudden started filling it out from our average attendance this season then you may have a point, but Our stadium only holds just under 27k so hardly a massive amount jumping on the bandwagon, considering we've been averaging around 22k since we moved to the new stadium, and the size of our catchment area. In my opinion its good to see us both reclaiming our areas back from the armchair man united liverpool fans... Hopefully they will go the same way as white dog shit, the longer both our clubs stay in the premier league

They havent reclaimed their area though. Mate of mine in work, says he cant stand what the PL has done to the jacks, reckons there is hundreds of people turning up in rugby / liverpool / man u shirts every home game.

the old my mate said comment, i havent seen one person in or walking around the ground in a rugby , liverpool ,man u shirts on , and you say hundreds , really grow up

If we were playing in a 40k stadium and we all of a sudden started filling it out from our average attendance this season then you may have a point, but Our stadium only holds just under 27k so hardly a massive amount jumping on the bandwagon, considering we've been averaging around 22k since we moved to the new stadium, and the size of our catchment area. In my opinion its good to see us both reclaiming our areas back from the armchair man united liverpool fans... Hopefully they will go the same way as white dog shit, the longer both our clubs stay in the premier league

They havent reclaimed their area though. Mate of mine in work, says he cant stand what the PL has done to the jacks, reckons there is hundreds of people turning up in rugby / liverpool / man u shirts every home game.

the old my mate said comment, i havent seen one person in or walking around the ground in a rugby , liverpool ,man u shirts on , and you say hundreds , really grow up

I suppose you will also deny my earlier post about the Swansea / Chelsea fan, even though it was witnessed by millions of viewers on Sky Sports?

Listen mush, if you are going to start a thead to compare Jacks to us then you would be better off doing it based on the football, not the fan base, as thats one debate you cannot win.

when swansea reached the premier league and we gained our new fans all you went on about is that they were rugby /plastic fans, never watched the swans before and were only turned up to watch man u , liverpool etc, now your there im intrested what catergory your new fans will fall under , and dont say they were always there, you averaged around 22,000 all season until the last few games , then the glory hunters turned up,no doubt you will sellout all season with fans that will want to watch the big teams .

I detect worry in your post
We are the capital city
We are bigger than your tin pot town that only has a few nice beaches and a green apple kiosk to offer..
Your football club is punching above it's weight and it won't be long before you find your level along side your twin club the english wigan...

if you cant answer the post in a decent manner dont bother , go and do some gardening

Please don't come onto a cardiff forum and try telling me what to do you inferior piece of swansea shit

when swansea reached the premier league and we gained our new fans all you went on about is that they were rugby /plastic fans, never watched the swans before and were only turned up to watch man u , liverpool etc, now your there im intrested what catergory your new fans will fall under , and dont say they were always there, you averaged around 22,000 all season until the last few games , then the glory hunters turned up,no doubt you will sellout all season with fans that will want to watch the big teams .

I detect worry in your post
We are the capital city
We are bigger than your tin pot town that only has a few nice beaches and a green apple kiosk to offer..
Your football club is punching above it's weight and it won't be long before you find your level along side your twin club the english wigan...

if you cant answer the post in a decent manner dont bother , go and do some gardening

Please don't come onto a cardiff forum and try telling me what to do you inferior piece of swansea shit

this thread was about if you thought you would get plastic /rugby fans coming to watch you just because your in the premier league which was a genuine attempt to know your opinion, your responce " dont come on here telling me what do you inferior piece of shit", that sums up how intelligent you are, thick as two short planks comes to mind , freedom of speech mate , so i can come on here and say what i like to you. understand that. :sleepy2

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

There's no room for the plastics. Simple.

Well there clearly is, if we are only averaging 23K max this season and then next season average 26K, thats 3K plastics. Plenty of room for plastics, just not as much room as swansea had!