SOPRANOS ENDING?

After a recent thread about tv shows,it got me thinking about the ending of the show.
we all remember it,sitting in the diner,his family around him and shady characters about him...

i feel the hidden message was (eventually there will be more)

Tony didnt get Whacked,New York was settled and the key ingredient for me was the song he chose in the diner,
JOURNEY-DONT STOP BELIEVING


THOUGHTS?

This is quite a long read but i feel the man who wrote this got it bang on and it really does make you think

http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/t ... f-the-end/

This is quite a long read but i feel the man who wrote this got it bang on and it really does make you think

http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/t ... f-the-end/

PRICK,
YOU'VE JUST RUINED MY NIGHT

the ending was done that way, so you could take your own ending from your own view.

if i remember correctly, he had just found out, one of the men had turned rat, and it was a serious one, could have tony in for life.


my thoughts where always he got whacked for taking out philly leotardo from the new york mob, so they retaliated with a hit, or it was one of the 5 families had him whacked.

the ending was done that way, so you could take your own ending from your own view.

if i remember correctly, he had just found out, one of the men had turned rat, and it was a serious one, could have tony in for life.


my thoughts where always he got whacked for taking out philly leotardo from the new york mob, so they retaliated with a hit, or it was one of the 5 families had him whacked.

In the final scene in the diner it shows the whole scene then tonys point of view.
for instance it shows people sitting eating and stuff then it shows tonys p.o.v every time someone comes through the diner door.
everytime it switches to tonys pov the music is still playing,apart from one scene (where meadow should enter).
thats because he has just been shot in the head.. meadow has just witnessed along with aj and carmela that tony has been killed.
now heres the clues into how this has happend....
during the final series there are several key elements taht explain tony has been killed.
for instance first episode of final season is called members only.one of tonys capos wants to quit and leave and ultimately takes his own life.(he killed people wearing a Members only Jacket)
the last scene of the series in the bing shows sylvio and paulie and every shot show a sign saying MEN ONLY... back to the diner the man who entered with AJ is wearing a members only jacket and after several glances at tony walks passed tony and into the MENS ROOM(men only) when Meadow enters the diner she would see this guy emerging from the bathroom and shooting her dad in the back/side of the head.
phil leotardo was shot in the back of the head (didnt see it coming). when sylvio was at the resturant and the guy he was with get shot (didnt see or hear it coming). when bobby and tony are at the lake house bobby says to tony "when it happens you wont see it coming"
the whole series pays homage and has qoutations and impressions from the godfather.whos most famous murder scene involves a man emerging from a bathroom to shoot his vitims.
heres the ending,with what ive now said,it all adds up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nT7nYbCSvM

the ending was done that way, so you could take your own ending from your own view.

if i remember correctly, he had just found out, one of the men had turned rat, and it was a serious one, could have tony in for life.


my thoughts where always he got whacked for taking out philly leotardo from the new york mob, so they retaliated with a hit, or it was one of the 5 families had him whacked.

In the final scene in the diner it shows the whole scene then tonys point of view.
for instance it shows people sitting eating and stuff then it shows tonys p.o.v every time someone comes through the diner door.
everytime it switches to tonys pov the music is still playing,apart from one scene (where meadow should enter).
thats because he has just been shot in the head.. meadow has just witnessed along with aj and carmela that tony has been killed.
now heres the clues into how this has happend....
during the final series there are several key elements taht explain tony has been killed.
for instance first episode of final season is called members only.one of tonys capos wants to quit and leave and ultimately takes his own life.(he killed people wearing a Members only Jacket)
the last scene of the series in the bing shows sylvio and paulie and every shot show a sign saying MEN ONLY... back to the diner the man who entered with AJ is wearing a members only jacket and after several glances at tony walks passed tony and into the MENS ROOM(men only) when Meadow enters the diner she would see this guy emerging from the bathroom and shooting her dad in the back/side of the head.
phil leotardo was shot in the back of the head (didnt see it coming). when sylvio was at the resturant and the guy he was with get shot (didnt see or hear it coming). when bobby and tony are at the lake house bobby says to tony "when it happens you wont see it coming"
the whole series pays homage and has qoutations and impressions from the godfather.whos most famous murder scene involves a man emerging from a bathroom to shoot his vitims.
heres the ending,with what ive now said,it all adds up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nT7nYbCSvM

the whole point of the ending is you dont know and neither does Tony despite his status as a mafia boss.

the mafia talks about respect and made men being safe from harm but nothing is further from the truth its dog eat dog and nobody is safe.

the fact is despite tony being the top man in the mafia hes a target from every rival and every wanna-be 'don'.

this is how tony has to live his life, every person is a possible threat to him and his family, he lives on edge 24 hours a day 7 days a week. He has to make snap decisions on everyone he bumps into, is that person a threat or not.

Is the guy going to the restroom, just going to the restroom, or is he setting up for a hit on Tony, these scenarios run around Tony's head all the time (its probably a main factor on why he went to see a psychiatrist).

Its a lesson in reality, criminality and organised crime can bring you money and fame and success but the cost of that is a life lived in fear and anxiety, every move can be your last move, you have no friends you have enemies and strangers are just enemies that havent presented themselves yet.

As for your Godfather comparison I think youve just watched the Godfather 1 too many times.

the ending was done that way, so you could take your own ending from your own view.

if i remember correctly, he had just found out, one of the men had turned rat, and it was a serious one, could have tony in for life.


my thoughts where always he got whacked for taking out philly leotardo from the new york mob, so they retaliated with a hit, or it was one of the 5 families had him whacked.

In the final scene in the diner it shows the whole scene then tonys point of view.
for instance it shows people sitting eating and stuff then it shows tonys p.o.v every time someone comes through the diner door.
everytime it switches to tonys pov the music is still playing,apart from one scene (where meadow should enter).
thats because he has just been shot in the head.. meadow has just witnessed along with aj and carmela that tony has been killed.
now heres the clues into how this has happend....
during the final series there are several key elements taht explain tony has been killed.
for instance first episode of final season is called members only.one of tonys capos wants to quit and leave and ultimately takes his own life.(he killed people wearing a Members only Jacket)
the last scene of the series in the bing shows sylvio and paulie and every shot show a sign saying MEN ONLY... back to the diner the man who entered with AJ is wearing a members only jacket and after several glances at tony walks passed tony and into the MENS ROOM(men only) when Meadow enters the diner she would see this guy emerging from the bathroom and shooting her dad in the back/side of the head.
phil leotardo was shot in the back of the head (didnt see it coming). when sylvio was at the resturant and the guy he was with get shot (didnt see or hear it coming). when bobby and tony are at the lake house bobby says to tony "when it happens you wont see it coming"
the whole series pays homage and has qoutations and impressions from the godfather.whos most famous murder scene involves a man emerging from a bathroom to shoot his vitims.
heres the ending,with what ive now said,it all adds up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nT7nYbCSvM

the whole point of the ending is you dont know and neither does Tony despite his status as a mafia boss.

the mafia talks about respect and made men being safe from harm but nothing is further from the truth its dog eat dog and nobody is safe.

the fact is despite tony being the top man in the mafia hes a target from every rival and every wanna-be 'don'.

this is how tony has to live his life, every person is a possible threat to him and his family, he lives on edge 24 hours a day 7 days a week. He has to make snap decisions on everyone he bumps into, is that person a threat or not.

Is the guy going to the restroom, just going to the restroom, or is he setting up for a hit on Tony, these scenarios run around Tony's head all the time (its probably a main factor on why he went to see a psychiatrist).

Its a lesson in reality, criminality and organised crime can bring you money and fame and success but the cost of that is a life lived in fear and anxiety, every move can be your last move, you have no friends you have enemies and strangers are just enemies that havent presented themselves yet.

As for your Godfather comparison I think youve just watched the Godfather 1 too many times.

David Chase pretty much confirmed the above .... If you click on the link JM posted he confirms it in an interview.
Tony was Whacked.

the ending was done that way, so you could take your own ending from your own view.

if i remember correctly, he had just found out, one of the men had turned rat, and it was a serious one, could have tony in for life.


my thoughts where always he got whacked for taking out philly leotardo from the new york mob, so they retaliated with a hit, or it was one of the 5 families had him whacked.

In the final scene in the diner it shows the whole scene then tonys point of view.
for instance it shows people sitting eating and stuff then it shows tonys p.o.v every time someone comes through the diner door.
everytime it switches to tonys pov the music is still playing,apart from one scene (where meadow should enter).
thats because he has just been shot in the head.. meadow has just witnessed along with aj and carmela that tony has been killed.
now heres the clues into how this has happend....
during the final series there are several key elements taht explain tony has been killed.
for instance first episode of final season is called members only.one of tonys capos wants to quit and leave and ultimately takes his own life.(he killed people wearing a Members only Jacket)
the last scene of the series in the bing shows sylvio and paulie and every shot show a sign saying MEN ONLY... back to the diner the man who entered with AJ is wearing a members only jacket and after several glances at tony walks passed tony and into the MENS ROOM(men only) when Meadow enters the diner she would see this guy emerging from the bathroom and shooting her dad in the back/side of the head.
phil leotardo was shot in the back of the head (didnt see it coming). when sylvio was at the resturant and the guy he was with get shot (didnt see or hear it coming). when bobby and tony are at the lake house bobby says to tony "when it happens you wont see it coming"
the whole series pays homage and has qoutations and impressions from the godfather.whos most famous murder scene involves a man emerging from a bathroom to shoot his vitims.
heres the ending,with what ive now said,it all adds up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nT7nYbCSvM

the whole point of the ending is you dont know and neither does Tony despite his status as a mafia boss.

the mafia talks about respect and made men being safe from harm but nothing is further from the truth its dog eat dog and nobody is safe.

the fact is despite tony being the top man in the mafia hes a target from every rival and every wanna-be 'don'.

this is how tony has to live his life, every person is a possible threat to him and his family, he lives on edge 24 hours a day 7 days a week. He has to make snap decisions on everyone he bumps into, is that person a threat or not.

Is the guy going to the restroom, just going to the restroom, or is he setting up for a hit on Tony, these scenarios run around Tony's head all the time (its probably a main factor on why he went to see a psychiatrist).

Its a lesson in reality, criminality and organised crime can bring you money and fame and success but the cost of that is a life lived in fear and anxiety, every move can be your last move, you have no friends you have enemies and strangers are just enemies that havent presented themselves yet.

As for your Godfather comparison I think youve just watched the Godfather 1 too many times.

David Chase pretty much confirmed the above .... If you click on the link JM posted he confirms it in an interview.
Tony was Whacked.

David Chase has never confirmed anything and in the opinion of people he never will, both arguments are valid the writer of JM's blog believes Tony was killed, Chase neither confirmed or denied this.

Many Sopranos fans support my theory and many support yours its one of lifes mysteries and I personally believe if it ever gets revealed it will ruin things.

I like my theory ill stick to it.

I believe Tony soprano is dead. every time the bell rings you see if from 1st point of view, you see 3 different people come in. when meadow comes in, the bell rings and the screen goes to black, thats because Tony is shot and he doesnt see meadow come in.

Well Tony wasn't the top man in the Mafia, he was just head of a family based in Nesw Jersey, the top dogs were always in New York.
Up until last night I had never really thought about it and just assumed Tony survived.
But after several hours of looking into it and watching and reading quotes from David Chase where he directs viewers to certain incidents in the show that hold the keys to the truth of what happend, then it's pretty clear in my eyes.

My response to JM "Prick,You've ruined my night" (all be it tongue in cheek.)should tell you how gutted I was.

Lou, Agreed!!!

Well Tony wasn't the top man in the Mafia, he was just head of a family based in Nesw Jersey, the top dogs were always in New York.
Up until last night I had never really thought about it and just assumed Tony survived.
But after several hours of looking into it and watching and reading quotes from David Chase where he directs viewers to certain incidents in the show that hold the keys to the truth of what happend, then it's pretty clear in my eyes.

My response to JM "Prick,You've ruined my night" (all be it tongue in cheek.)should tell you how gutted I was.

hey not saying your wrong no one knows thats the whole point

Tony was a New Jersey crime boss, the families of New York were a separate element, though be it having a lot of power and influence over New Jersey crews.

the end scene is complex look at all the people in the diner,

the truck driver, hes the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher, Tony would see him as a threat

the black guys, same guys who tried to kill Tony and clipped his ear, Thats a definite threat.

the guy at the bar, if you look at the credits hes nikki leotardo, got to be related to Phil leotardo, definite threat and explains why hes nervous, Tony is a dangerous man.

so thats 3 guys who potentially want Tony dead and are threats so you could never say if Tony was killed who killed him, its too complicated in my opinion.

The paranoia and being constantly on edge makes more sense to me.

Johnny the two black guys are different actors to the ones who tries to hit Tony.
The Trucker could fit in with your theory, But surely if that was Leotardo,Tony under his current paranoid state, would recognise this to be Nicky Leotardo?

Tony is the ultimate Anti-hero, those that try to make out he hasnt been whacked just dont want to believe it. The ending is obvious.

Or maybe it happened like it showed in the programme.

It is after all only a tv show and a good one at that - open to interpretation if you want to but perhaps just see it for what it was - a little suggestive butNOT blood spilt.

The thing is the ending could have just been shot in a normal way, it was just an ordinary family event, Tony taking his family out for a meal and there are only really two things that need to be shown, Tony, Carmela and AJ entering and sitting down and then Meadow parking outside and getting in, similar scenes have probably been shown throughout the many seasons of the show and we haven't noticed them, in any other family this would be a normal event.

But this is no ordinary family, or no ordinary man, Tony Soprano is a man who is constantly living in the fear of his life, he is paranoid and never gets a moment of rest, the whole six 6 seasons talk about his panic attacks and depression, he gets these attacks because of the lifestyle he chooses to live, the final scene shows us a snippet into the crazy world Tony has to live in. If each moment of your life was a paranoid, hyperactive - looking everywhere, intense music, constant turning around, listening to every sound etc. - then you would probably have panic attacks too.

The scene is edited in a way that we are shown the events from Tony's POV, he never gets a minutes rest from his criminal and dangerous lifestyle, even with an ordinary family event. Any person he sees could be his murderer, any sound he hears could be his murderer coming closer. Tony has a RICO trial hanging over his head, he knows that his life is potentially over when he goes to jail, he can never ignore his criminal lifestyle and just have an ordinary meal with his family.

He may have been killed, yes, he probably was, but the point of the final scene is not whether he was killed, its to emphasise the idea that he easily could of been, this is the type of life he lives where he is always an open target, for six seasons we get to see how Tony works, watch his daily routines, and listen to his problems with his psychiatrist, and then in one single scene we manage to get a fantastic insight that condenses everything we have watched and learned about his life into one scene, a fitting way to end the greatest TV show ever.

listen they went to war with new york, i wouldnt be suprised if they took out a retaliation hit, or maybe by whacking philly, they upset some other families, tony was whacked, but by who was always the main thing, because who ever order the hit, targetted his whole mob, so it was obviously a huge order, they even hit bobby so they tried to take the whole mob out

You don't have to over analyse it, when I saw it the first time it was obvious he was whacked. It all led up to the final show and the shots of the bloke going into the bathroom, let you know he was coming out to whack him......

Quite enjoyed reading these observations mind.....