Do we already have a 'Michu-type player'?

In Frazier Campbell?

I was thinking back to the thread that was put on here about Vincent Tan saying he wants Malky to find a 'Michu type player' i.e. cheap and who can do well by scoring lots of goals in the Premiership. But we got Frazier Campbell in January on the cheap and I think he could be a big hit in the Premiership with quite a few goals to his name.

Anyone else agree?

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the only stumbling block in your theory is that he can't score loads of goals in the prem hence being sold for peanuts by his last club

In Frazier Campbell?

I was thinking back to the thread that was put on here about Vincent Tan saying he wants Malky to find a 'Michu type player' i.e. cheap and who can do well by scoring lots of goals in the Premiership. But we got Frazier Campbell in January on the cheap and I think he could be a big hit in the Premiership with quite a few goals to his name.

Anyone else agree?

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He may do, but jack twats will point to his previous stints in the Premier where he was not really very successful, but as we all know strikers need confidence and will perform well at one club and shit at another, like Torres and there are plenty of other examples. Personally I think for us he will do ok if he gets the chance, but Malky (or whoever) may get someone else as Striker is one of the key positions???

Michu was unknown.

In Frazier Campbell?

I was thinking back to the thread that was put on here about Vincent Tan saying he wants Malky to find a 'Michu type player' i.e. cheap and who can do well by scoring lots of goals in the Premiership. But we got Frazier Campbell in January on the cheap and I think he could be a big hit in the Premiership with quite a few goals to his name.

Anyone else agree?

Link to the previous article:


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=111999

He may do, but jack twats will point to his previous stints in the Premier where he was not really very successful, but as we all know strikers need confidence and will perform well at one club and shit at another, like Torres and there are plenty of other examples. Personally I think for us he will do ok if he gets the chance, but Malky (or whoever) may get someone else as Striker is one of the key positions???

Totally agree that with confidence, I think he could be a big hit. I think we'll get another striker but I don't think Frazier will be pushed aside for them

For a start, they play in different positions but they are completely different types of players.

Then when you compare their goal rates at top flight level

Michu - 69 games, 32 goals (Swansea, Rayo Vallecano)
Fraizer Campbell - 70 games, 7 goals (Manchester United, Tottenham Hotspurs, Sunderland)

Campbell's been given plenty of chances in the top flight, and as much of a chance as Michu has. He's played for three different clubs at top flight level, under 5 different managers, and he's not been able to prove his worth with any club and under any manager. He may come good, but you certainly can't be going in to the season relying on him for goals given that based on that if he were to continue his Premier League goalscoring record and play every league game for you he'd get you 3/4 goals.

Fraziers a good player BUT he does not have the same affect on the game that Michu has. A Michu type player to me is someone who assists and scores and is involved with everything going forward. Fraziers and out and out striker, hope to god he can recreate his form that he showed before his injury.

He won't stay fit enough to score enough goals to make him our Michu. My bet would be that he gets 5 or 6 goals in about 20 starts next season

KIMBO

I'd say Mutch could be similar to Michu if I had to pick someone.

Muchu was hardly unknown tho, he had an excellent season before joining the jacks.

Michu couldnt hit a barn door until the ripe old age of 25. How old is Fraizer again?

I'd say Mutch could be similar to Michu if I had to pick someone.

Muchu was hardly unknown tho, he had an excellent season before joining the jacks.

don't really see much similarities between the 2 think we would have to find a new player to get someone like michu

I'd say Mutch could be similar to Michu if I had to pick someone.

Muchu was hardly unknown tho, he had an excellent season before joining the jacks.

don't really see much similarities between the 2 think we would have to find a new player to get someone like michu

I don't think they are alike but the closest.

Michu couldnt hit a barn door until the ripe old age of 25. How old is Fraizer again?

Michu was a holding midfielder until he was 25.

People have missed the point here, the main point is

Have Cardiff picked up a good player on the cheap? The answer, thus far is yes.

Michu and FC have indifferent pre-current clubs (current but one for Michu) records sometimes it's about having the right manager who plays you in the right way and believes in you.

Michu couldnt hit a barn door until the ripe old age of 25. How old is Fraizer again?

Michu was a holding midfielder until he was 25.

Im not denying the fact that he's a solid, in form player. However, he's clearly peaked late. Had he started in a PL youth setup, he would probably have ended up leaving England and never coming back. We've only ever seen him when he's been good

MIchu cost over 4 times as much as FC , so he should score 4 times as many goals. So next season for every goal FC scores, Michu has to score 4. Then we can really see who has had a bargain.

Michu couldnt hit a barn door until the ripe old age of 25. How old is Fraizer again?

Michu was a holding midfielder until he was 25.

Im not denying the fact that he's a solid, in form player. However, he's clearly peaked late. Had he started in a PL youth setup, he would probably have ended up leaving England and never coming back. We've only ever seen him when he's been good

Well all he needed was to be played in the right position for him to peak, at Celta Vigo he was a holding midfield player hence why he didn't score regularly as he was mismanaged, I doubt for example Fraizer Campbell would have scored many goals for you on the wing this season. It's not just a coincidence that his huge rise in goals scored came from him being given the role behind the striker by his manager at Rayo Vallecano.

MIchu cost over 4 times as much as FC , so he should score 4 times as many goals. So next season for every goal FC scores, Michu has to score 4. Then we can really see who has had a bargain.

Fraizer Campbell will be on very similar wages to Michu though, possibly higher if he gets a pay rise over the summer now your in the Premier League so the cost isn't just as straightforward as the transfer fee.

Campbell also cost 32.5% of what Michu did, but it's not just as straightforward as if Campbell scores 6 goals and Michu scores 18 that Campbell is the bigger bargain. The difference between say 12 goals in the Premier League is worth an awful lot more than £1.35 million. There's also the fact that Michu is scoring the goals from midfield, which is generally a lot more difficult to do than playing up front on your own. Michu offers a lot more to the team than just goals as he's a very good footballer as well and adds a lot to our midfield other than just goals, if he hadn't scored a goal this season he'd still be playing regularly in our side in my opinion although possibly reverted back to his deeper role.

MIchu cost over 4 times as much as FC , so he should score 4 times as many goals. So next season for every goal FC scores, Michu has to score 4. Then we can really see who has had a bargain.

and you lot still wonder why we come on here

Michu is quality, his goal against MU yesterday was class. How far will swansea go to keep him though, his agent will no doubt be rubbing his hands together at the thought of getting him a move away to a bigger club for bigger wages.

If we can find a player thats half the player Michu is we'll have done well.

In reply to the OP, I dont think we can compare FC with Michu. Campbell was already known over here while not many people had heard of Michu.

We can sign unknowns that could end up being really good players, take Kim for example, he'll be a good player for us next season and could very well be our first Michu-type signing. I think Kim will be better suited to the Prem than the Championship.

Exciting times eh!

MIchu cost over 4 times as much as FC , so he should score 4 times as many goals. So next season for every goal FC scores, Michu has to score 4. Then we can really see who has had a bargain.

and you lot still wonder why we come on here

If that's how it worked Torres old have been sacked from world football by now

MIchu cost over 4 times as much as FC , so he should score 4 times as many goals. So next season for every goal FC scores, Michu has to score 4. Then we can really see who has had a bargain.

and you lot still wonder why we come on here

If that's how it worked Torres old have been sacked from world football by now

and van persie would have had to score 220 goals this season not to be considered a failure next to michu as he was about 10 times more expensive

MIchu cost over 4 times as much as FC , so he should score 4 times as many goals. So next season for every goal FC scores, Michu has to score 4. Then we can really see who has had a bargain.

and you lot still wonder why we come on here

If that's how it worked Torres old have been sacked from world football by now

and van persie would have had to score 220 goals this season not to be considered a failure next to michu as he was about 10 times more expensive

so RVP was a big fat FAIL then!

Michu couldnt hit a barn door until the ripe old age of 25. How old is Fraizer again?

Michu was a holding midfielder until he was 25.

Im not denying the fact that he's a solid, in form player. However, he's clearly peaked late. Had he started in a PL youth setup, he would probably have ended up leaving England and never coming back. We've only ever seen him when he's been good

Well all he needed was to be played in the right position for him to peak, at Celta Vigo he was a holding midfield player hence why he didn't score regularly as he was mismanaged, I doubt for example Fraizer Campbell would have scored many goals for you on the wing this season. It's not just a coincidence that his huge rise in goals scored came from him being given the role behind the striker by his manager at Rayo Vallecano.

If Celta Vigo had any knowledge at all, they would have seen what he can do in training regardless of his position. Simple explanation; he ALREADY had the potential but peaked at 25 - same as Didier Drogba. Fraizer clearly has the potential, hopefully he hits his career high this year

If Celta Vigo had any knowledge at all, they would have seen what he can do in training regardless of his position. Simple explanation; he ALREADY had the potential but peaked at 25 - same as Didier Drogba. Fraizer clearly has the potential, hopefully he hits his career high this year

Well they really should have been playing him in position and you'd have thought they'd have realised his true position, but he was mismanaged as stated.

He went from scoring 14 league goals in 107 league games for Celta Vigo in the Spanish second division to being able to score more league goals than that in his first season at a higher level. I think it's far more likely that it was due to his change of position, to a more attacking role then due to his ability as a player significantly changing over night. If he was to play for us in a deeper role, next to Leon then he wouldn't be able to get in the positions that he does to score anywhere near as many goals as he has for us this season.

Sandoval "He was playing slightly deeper when I started watching him but I noticed how well he arrived in the area and how good his finishing was. I liked his attitude and his aggression"

Michu was unknown.

If you're ignorant of football elsewhere in the world yes he was.

If there is any player we have that is similar to Michu it is Gunnarsson.

Michu for most of his career was a defensive midfielder like Aron but he gets forward a lot more these days. Think of Fellaini at Everton's adaptation and ability to get forward. They are now both classed as attacking midfielders due to how well they have adapted. Michu has therefore scored plenty of goals.

Gunnarsson is a young defensive midfielder who has scored 8 goals this season. However, would he score more in a more advanced role and would he be able to adapt? I dont believe so but I could be wrong. I do think Gunnarsson will grow into a more solid defensive midfielder than Michu has ever been but I highly doubt he'll be able to adapt to a more attacking role on a permanent basis. Michu is more technical, Aron is more of a hard tackling player and that is why I think Michu could make the change so easily, because of his technical ability.

Both are from a similar mould, ignoring physical traits, yet have evolved differently. Michu into a technically gifted attacking player whereas Gunnarsson will, purely speculative, continue to be a hard tackling defensive midfielder.

Therefore, no we do not have a Michu in our side because Michu is basically Gunnarsson with more technical ability and that has allowed him to quickly adapt to a more attacking role and score more goals. If you had watched Michu at Rayo his defensive ability would have been easy to see. Aron however, is the closest thing we have to Michu of old and that is a goal scoring DM. I dont think Aron could do what Michu did though and become a better goal scoring AM.

So we would need to purchase a new player unless Aron can make the step up that Michu did.

Kimbo is our Michu type player I think. I'm not saying he's going to score as many goals next season. But he will improve dramatically, his style of play much more suited to PL and he will be involved in lots of goals next season, probably more assists than scores though.

Kimbo is our Michu type player I think. I'm not saying he's going to score as many goals next season. But he will improve dramatically, his style of play much more suited to PL and he will be involved in lots of goals next season, probably more assists than scores though.

They said that about the likes of Taarabt, Dorrans, Koren, Koumas, Lawrence, Gomez and those type of players but it doesn't necessarily always work out that way.

It may do, but you can't bank on him improving in the Premier League really. Whilst he's a good technical player, his technical ability may well turn out to be nothing special when up against other Premier League midfielders.

I'd agree that the most similar player you've got to Michu is Aron Gunnarsson, although I don't think he'd be able to match Michu's standards and in reality your best off ignoring what we're doing and just doing what your manager believes is the best way to keep you in the Premier League.

I think Aron Gunnarsson will be a force in the PL next season