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FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:26 pm

And any other Jack who are praying that Mackay leaves us for Everton.

How would you feel he he came out and said he would prefer to stay at Cardiff than go to Everton to finish the job he has started.?

Dont think you would be so forthcoming with your posts then. :lol: :wave:

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:31 pm

You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:34 pm

CityGent wrote:You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin


I would be utterly amazed if Everton appointed MM. I don't think he is anywhere near the level of manager that they could attract.

That said, chairman do make strange decisions as you know.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:35 pm

CityGent wrote:You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin


Whenever there is any negativity regarding our club then they are on here like a shot, when we were Champions they were non existent on here, now the speculation over Malkay has arisen then they are like flies around shit again. :evil:

NICE TO SEE MY QUESTION HAS YET TO BE ANSWERED. :lol:

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:36 pm

NJ73 wrote:
CityGent wrote:You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin


I would be utterly amazed if Everton appointed MM. I don't think he is anywhere near the level of manager that they could attract.

That said, chairman do make strange decisions as you know.


Bitter and twisted yet again. :lol: :wave:

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:37 pm

NJ73 wrote:
CityGent wrote:You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin


I would be utterly amazed if Everton appointed MM. I don't think he is anywhere near the level of manager that they could attract.

That said, chairman do make strange decisions as you know.


I had a reassuring chat with an old Everton lad today. He basically said the same thing. Malky might have preliminary talks but they'll look for more experience this time, eg Martinez

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:38 pm

nobby wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
CityGent wrote:You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin


I would be utterly amazed if Everton appointed MM. I don't think he is anywhere near the level of manager that they could attract.

That said, chairman do make strange decisions as you know.


Bitter and twisted yet again. :lol: :wave:


That's my honest opinion. Just because is apparently doesn't match yours doesn't mean it's "bitter and twisted", it just means it's different.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:39 pm

hes clearly roathmagic and should have been banned by now surely

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:41 pm

CityGent wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
CityGent wrote:You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin


I would be utterly amazed if Everton appointed MM. I don't think he is anywhere near the level of manager that they could attract.

That said, chairman do make strange decisions as you know.


I had a reassuring chat with an old Everton lad today. He basically said the same thing. Malky might have preliminary talks but they'll look for more experience this time, eg Martinez


I think Martinez would be just as big a mistake. Moyes' teams are the opposite of what a Martinez team would look like.

As well as Martinez did for us, he's taken a Wigan team from mid table security into a regular relegation battle. His teams have no idea how to defend, as witnessed against us on Tuesday.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 10:59 pm

NJ73 wrote:
CityGent wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
CityGent wrote:You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin


I would be utterly amazed if Everton appointed MM. I don't think he is anywhere near the level of manager that they could attract.

That said, chairman do make strange decisions as you know.


I had a reassuring chat with an old Everton lad today. He basically said the same thing. Malky might have preliminary talks but they'll look for more experience this time, eg Martinez


I think Martinez would be just as big a mistake. Moyes' teams are the opposite of what a Martinez team would look like.

As well as Martinez did for us, he's taken a Wigan team from mid table security into a regular relegation battle. His teams have no idea how to defend, as witnessed against us on Tuesday.


They've probably had one season that you could class as secure in mid table. They've usually been in relegation battles since getting to the PL, hardly surprising given the size of the club.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Fri May 10, 2013 11:00 pm

NJ73 wrote:
CityGent wrote:You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin


I would be utterly amazed if Everton appointed MM. I don't think he is anywhere near the level of manager that they could attract.

That said, chairman do make strange decisions as you know.


pretty much the same as when they got moyes from preston,Everton seem to be more interested in a mans character and leadership skills(both of which MM has in abundance even though youd never admit it)then just his "name" and reputation

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 8:47 am

NJ73 wrote:
CityGent wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
CityGent wrote:You'll be better off addressing the other jacks like N234(whatever the number is)and 6Bysedd

Black Swan(Roath)hasn't got the intellectual capacity to reason

Vermin


I would be utterly amazed if Everton appointed MM. I don't think he is anywhere near the level of manager that they could attract.

That said, chairman do make strange decisions as you know.


I had a reassuring chat with an old Everton lad today. He basically said the same thing. Malky might have preliminary talks but they'll look for more experience this time, eg Martinez


I think Martinez would be just as big a mistake. Moyes' teams are the opposite of what a Martinez team would look like.

As well as Martinez did for us, he's taken a Wigan team from mid table security into a regular relegation battle. His teams have no idea how to defend, as witnessed against us on Tuesday.


Wigan have never been a team of security assured Mid-Tablers at all? where are you getting your facts from?

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 9:13 am

nobby wrote:And any other Jack who are praying that Mackay leaves us for Everton.

How would you feel he he came out and said he would prefer to stay at Cardiff than go to Everton to finish the job he has started.?

Dont think you would be so forthcoming with your posts then. :lol: :wave:


Well if he was offered the job, he'd be mad to turn it down.

At Cardiff under Tan, he'd have a lot less job security then he would do at Everton and he'd obviously be at a bigger club, with a bigger budget, a better squad and a team suited to his style of play. If he turned down Everton, and Cardiff are in any sort of a relegation battle I think he'd be given the sack (like Neil Warnock and Nigel Adkins in the last two years).

I'm certainly not praying for Mackay to leave you though, I think you'll go down with him anyway.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 9:20 am

SCFC wrote:
nobby wrote:And any other Jack who are praying that Mackay leaves us for Everton.

How would you feel he he came out and said he would prefer to stay at Cardiff than go to Everton to finish the job he has started.?

Dont think you would be so forthcoming with your posts then. :lol: :wave:


Well if he was offered the job, he'd be mad to turn it down.

At Cardiff under Tan, he'd have a lot less job security then he would do at Everton and he'd obviously be at a bigger club, with a bigger budget, a better squad and a team suited to his style of play. If he turned down Everton, and Cardiff are in any sort of a relegation battle I think he'd be given the sack (like Neil Warnock and Nigel Adkins in the last two years).

I'm certainly not praying for Mackay to leave you though, I think you'll go down with him anyway.


Do you think we care what you think?

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 9:24 am

MM would be mad to leave Cardiff, hes the manager at a Capital City, managing in a brand new stadium which is going to be made into a 40 k stadium, he has a much bigger budget than everton. Cardiff has huge potential with a huge fanbase, malky would be mad not to be part of cardiffs future, he has the chance to become a Cardiff Legend and be part of something special

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 9:36 am

BigBadG wrote:MM would be mad to leave Cardiff, hes the manager at a Capital City, managing in a brand new stadium which is going to be made into a 40 k stadium, he has a much bigger budget than everton. Cardiff has huge potential with a huge fanbase, malky would be mad not to be part of cardiffs future, he has the chance to become a Cardiff Legend and be part of something special


He'd be mad to turn down Everton.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 9:41 am

Barry Chuckle wrote:
BigBadG wrote:MM would be mad to leave Cardiff, hes the manager at a Capital City, managing in a brand new stadium which is going to be made into a 40 k stadium, he has a much bigger budget than everton. Cardiff has huge potential with a huge fanbase, malky would be mad not to be part of cardiffs future, he has the chance to become a Cardiff Legend and be part of something special


He'd be mad to turn down Everton.


Why? It's about his personal goals and what he wants to achieve. Still learning and untested at PL level. History is littered with managers taking on big clubs, failing and then sliding down the leagues to find work.

Whatever he decides (assuming he has a decision to make), it will be done for the right reasons for him. Being mad doesn't come into it either way :malky:

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 9:47 am

There's no getting away from the fact that Mackay fits the Everton bill perfectly.He's like a ready made replacement for Moyes.There does seem to be a bit of a triangle going on with Fergie,Moyes and Mackay also.It wouldn't surprise me if SAF has singled out Mackay for the job after all he does command such respect and Utd and Everton have always been close.I don't think Martinez is right for the Everton job,they tend to employ British managers and Scottish inparticular i.e Moyes and Walter Smith.That's not to say they won't throw a curveball and go foreign with Martinez though but if I was a cardiff fan then i'd be bracing myself for an official approach.All said I think Mackay would turn it down and have one season up here with you just like his old mate Rodgers did with us.Gonna be interesting few months though.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 9:58 am

6 bysedd wrote:There's no getting away from the fact that Mackay fits the Everton bill perfectly.He's like a ready made replacement for Moyes.There does seem to be a bit of a triangle going on with Fergie,Moyes and Mackay also.It wouldn't surprise me if SAF has singled out Mackay for the job after all he does command such respect and Utd and Everton have always been close.I don't think Martinez is right for the Everton job,they tend to employ British managers and Scottish inparticular i.e Moyes and Walter Smith.That's not to say they won't throw a curveball and go foreign with Martinez though but if I was a cardiff fan then i'd be bracing myself for an official approach.All said I think Mackay would turn it down and have one season up here with you just like his old mate Rodgers did with us.Gonna be interesting few months though.


Moyes has been there for 10 years. Saying they tend to employ British managers is nonsense when they haven't recruited one in that time. Most clubs would have had a history of predominantly British managers before then.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 10:02 am

Carpe Diem wrote:
6 bysedd wrote:There's no getting away from the fact that Mackay fits the Everton bill perfectly.He's like a ready made replacement for Moyes.There does seem to be a bit of a triangle going on with Fergie,Moyes and Mackay also.It wouldn't surprise me if SAF has singled out Mackay for the job after all he does command such respect and Utd and Everton have always been close.I don't think Martinez is right for the Everton job,they tend to employ British managers and Scottish inparticular i.e Moyes and Walter Smith.That's not to say they won't throw a curveball and go foreign with Martinez though but if I was a cardiff fan then i'd be bracing myself for an official approach.All said I think Mackay would turn it down and have one season up here with you just like his old mate Rodgers did with us.Gonna be interesting few months though.


Moyes has been there for 10 years. Saying they tend to employ British managers is nonsense when they haven't recruited one in that time. Most clubs would have had a history of predominantly British managers before then.

How is it nonsense when their last 3 managers have been British and every one before that?` There's been foreigners managing in this country as far back as the late 80's.Remember Josef Venglos at Villa.I see your point but it's not valid im afraid because the crux of the matter is they've never gone Foreign.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 10:10 am

6 bysedd wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:
6 bysedd wrote:There's no getting away from the fact that Mackay fits the Everton bill perfectly.He's like a ready made replacement for Moyes.There does seem to be a bit of a triangle going on with Fergie,Moyes and Mackay also.It wouldn't surprise me if SAF has singled out Mackay for the job after all he does command such respect and Utd and Everton have always been close.I don't think Martinez is right for the Everton job,they tend to employ British managers and Scottish inparticular i.e Moyes and Walter Smith.That's not to say they won't throw a curveball and go foreign with Martinez though but if I was a cardiff fan then i'd be bracing myself for an official approach.All said I think Mackay would turn it down and have one season up here with you just like his old mate Rodgers did with us.Gonna be interesting few months though.


Moyes has been there for 10 years. Saying they tend to employ British managers is nonsense when they haven't recruited one in that time. Most clubs would have had a history of predominantly British managers before then.

How is it nonsense when their last 3 managers have been British and every one before that?` There's been foreigners managing in this country as far back as the late 80's.Remember Josef Venglos at Villa.I see your point but it's not valid im afraid because the crux of the matter is they've never gone Foreign.


Because 10 years ago most managers were British and the influx has only really happened in recent years. The game has changed and so what they've done historically doesn't mean anything in this modern era. How many foreign managers did you have before Martinez? Molby for a season? At the time you recruited martinez you could have said you usually go for British managers. Times have changed yet during this time Everton havent had to recruit.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 10:24 am

Carpe Diem wrote:
6 bysedd wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:
6 bysedd wrote:There's no getting away from the fact that Mackay fits the Everton bill perfectly.He's like a ready made replacement for Moyes.There does seem to be a bit of a triangle going on with Fergie,Moyes and Mackay also.It wouldn't surprise me if SAF has singled out Mackay for the job after all he does command such respect and Utd and Everton have always been close.I don't think Martinez is right for the Everton job,they tend to employ British managers and Scottish inparticular i.e Moyes and Walter Smith.That's not to say they won't throw a curveball and go foreign with Martinez though but if I was a cardiff fan then i'd be bracing myself for an official approach.All said I think Mackay would turn it down and have one season up here with you just like his old mate Rodgers did with us.Gonna be interesting few months though.


Moyes has been there for 10 years. Saying they tend to employ British managers is nonsense when they haven't recruited one in that time. Most clubs would have had a history of predominantly British managers before then.

How is it nonsense when their last 3 managers have been British and every one before that?` There's been foreigners managing in this country as far back as the late 80's.Remember Josef Venglos at Villa.I see your point but it's not valid im afraid because the crux of the matter is they've never gone Foreign.


Because 10 years ago most managers were British and the influx has only really happened in recent years. The game has changed and so what they've done historically doesn't mean anything in this modern era. How many foreign managers did you have before Martinez? Molby for a season? At the time you recruited martinez you could have said you usually go for British managers. Times have changed yet during this time Everton havent had to recruit.

Vialli
Ramos
Venglos
Wenger
Gross
Santini
Olsen
Ardiles
Perrin
Lombardo

That's a list off the top of my head of foreigners who've managed in England 10 years ago and before.Back to Martinez,i'll place a wee bet with you that he or any other foreigner will not be appointed the Everton boss. :thumbup:

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 10:36 am

6 bysedd wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:
6 bysedd wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:
6 bysedd wrote:There's no getting away from the fact that Mackay fits the Everton bill perfectly.He's like a ready made replacement for Moyes.There does seem to be a bit of a triangle going on with Fergie,Moyes and Mackay also.It wouldn't surprise me if SAF has singled out Mackay for the job after all he does command such respect and Utd and Everton have always been close.I don't think Martinez is right for the Everton job,they tend to employ British managers and Scottish inparticular i.e Moyes and Walter Smith.That's not to say they won't throw a curveball and go foreign with Martinez though but if I was a cardiff fan then i'd be bracing myself for an official approach.All said I think Mackay would turn it down and have one season up here with you just like his old mate Rodgers did with us.Gonna be interesting few months though.


Moyes has been there for 10 years. Saying they tend to employ British managers is nonsense when they haven't recruited one in that time. Most clubs would have had a history of predominantly British managers before then.

How is it nonsense when their last 3 managers have been British and every one before that?` There's been foreigners managing in this country as far back as the late 80's.Remember Josef Venglos at Villa.I see your point but it's not valid im afraid because the crux of the matter is they've never gone Foreign.


Because 10 years ago most managers were British and the influx has only really happened in recent years. The game has changed and so what they've done historically doesn't mean anything in this modern era. How many foreign managers did you have before Martinez? Molby for a season? At the time you recruited martinez you could have said you usually go for British managers. Times have changed yet during this time Everton havent had to recruit.

Vialli
Ramos
Venglos
Wenger
Gross
Santini
Olsen
Ardiles
Perrin
Lombardo

That's a list off the top of my head of foreigners who've managed in England 10 years ago and before.Back to Martinez,i'll place a wee bet with you that he or any other foreigner will not be appointed the Everton boss. :thumbup:


You may be right, but they won't be asking for cv's from British managers only. Ref your list, not many in the scheme of things is it and so my point remains.

Re: FAO BLACK SWAN

Sat May 11, 2013 11:11 am

Carpe Diem wrote:
6 bysedd wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:
6 bysedd wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:
6 bysedd wrote:There's no getting away from the fact that Mackay fits the Everton bill perfectly.He's like a ready made replacement for Moyes.There does seem to be a bit of a triangle going on with Fergie,Moyes and Mackay also.It wouldn't surprise me if SAF has singled out Mackay for the job after all he does command such respect and Utd and Everton have always been close.I don't think Martinez is right for the Everton job,they tend to employ British managers and Scottish inparticular i.e Moyes and Walter Smith.That's not to say they won't throw a curveball and go foreign with Martinez though but if I was a cardiff fan then i'd be bracing myself for an official approach.All said I think Mackay would turn it down and have one season up here with you just like his old mate Rodgers did with us.Gonna be interesting few months though.


Moyes has been there for 10 years. Saying they tend to employ British managers is nonsense when they haven't recruited one in that time. Most clubs would have had a history of predominantly British managers before then.

How is it nonsense when their last 3 managers have been British and every one before that?` There's been foreigners managing in this country as far back as the late 80's.Remember Josef Venglos at Villa.I see your point but it's not valid im afraid because the crux of the matter is they've never gone Foreign.


Because 10 years ago most managers were British and the influx has only really happened in recent years. The game has changed and so what they've done historically doesn't mean anything in this modern era. How many foreign managers did you have before Martinez? Molby for a season? At the time you recruited martinez you could have said you usually go for British managers. Times have changed yet during this time Everton havent had to recruit.

Vialli
Ramos
Venglos
Wenger
Gross
Santini
Olsen
Ardiles
Perrin
Lombardo

That's a list off the top of my head of foreigners who've managed in England 10 years ago and before.Back to Martinez,i'll place a wee bet with you that he or any other foreigner will not be appointed the Everton boss. :thumbup:


You may be right, but they won't be asking for cv's from British managers only. Ref your list, not many in the scheme of things is it and so my point remains.


Your completely right, Evertons lack of foreign managers is down to timing rather than a penchant for British managers, since Everton appointed Moyes, the last 10 years as we all know has seen a huge influx in both foreign players and subsequently managers in the Premiership, if old Jacko, there wants to believe anything else then that's up to him!