Help - Protein/Workout

Does anyone know what the best protein shake or powder is for someone who wants to just put on a bit of weight and muscle? Keeping in mind that I'm 17 and unemployed, so money is a slight issue.

Back in the days before I had kids, I used to cycle 16 miles a day to work and hit the gym 4 evenings a week, undertaking a mix of cardio and muscle work. I used creatine ethyl ester as a supplement. Use it incorrectly however and you will destroy your kidneys.

Bear in mind that there's no magical powder that will see you suddenly gain weight and muscle, you'll only get out what you put in.

There's plenty of information out there to help you decide what form of workout will best suit you. If you intend on joining a gym the staff should be able to help you.

Just please do not turn to drugs. They're for mugs. Put in the effort and it will all be much more rewarding in the end.

I am joining a gym next week. I'm just not sure what sort of thing I'll need

Its not all about the protein shakes.

You need a good workout plan and a clean diet to go with it. You want to aim for one gram of protein per pound of weight. You need to be eating over your maintenance calories but clean food such as meat fish wholemeal pasta and wholeneal rice etc.

With my workout I tend to do split muscle workouts, chest and triceps, back and biceps, shoulders and legs, traps and abs etc etc on different days.

Throw a bit of cardio in also maybe 20 mins 2-3 days a week.

As for protein you cant really go wrong with an all in one, you get your protein glutamine creatine etc all in one shake.

Does anyone know what the best protein shake or powder is for someone who wants to just put on a bit of weight and muscle? Keeping in mind that I'm 17 and unemployed, so money is a slight issue.

The main thing is to have a good diet. I rarely use supplements these days. I try to get 100% of my nurtrition from a good balanced diet. However when i do supplement, I use www.myprotein.co.uk as its bulk powders are the cheapest that ive found anywhere. They do a good supplement called hurricane that's got the optimum mix of protein, carbs and creatine, that's the equivalent of Maximuscle's Cyclone, but is quarter the price.

However going back to your question, if I were to take a supplement to pack on weight and muscle i'd take one that's loaded with protein and carbs and take just before and imediately after training, try here....http://www.myprotein.com/our-range/by-c ... -gain.list

Their ZMA supplement is good too. It's basically a man's vitality pill that gives you loads of energy and the gym and boners 24/7!!!

Does anyone know what the best protein shake or powder is for someone who wants to just put on a bit of weight and muscle? Keeping in mind that I'm 17 and unemployed, so money is a slight issue.

The main thing is to have a good diet. I rarely use supplements these days. I try to get 100% of my nurtrition from a good balanced diet. However when i do supplement, I use http://www.myprotein.co.uk as its bulk powders are the cheapest that ive found anywhere. They do a good supplement called hurricane that's got the optimum mix of protein, carbs and creatine, that's the equivalent of Maximuscle's Cyclone, but is quarter the price.

However going back to your question, if I were to take a supplement to pack on weight and muscle i'd take one that's loaded with protein and carbs and take just before and imediately after training, try here....http://www.myprotein.com/our-range/by-c ... -gain.list

Their ZMA supplement is good too. It's basically a man's vitality pill that gives you loads of energy and the gym and boners 24/7!!!

Can't go wrong with cyclone but it's expensive, so good tip mate cheers!
Also get on the eggs for breakfast!!! Boil them not raw!

Cyclone is mass weight gain bare in mind.

It depends on your body shape atm. If you are slim build and struggle to put weight on then yes cyclone bare in mind you will gain fat with this product and it is designed for use with milk. I use to use whey protein as it is quite light calorie wise and I use to use water not milk. I would not advise using any creatine until you have been training for at least 6 months.

Also as everyone is saying your diet is crucial! For building muscle I would even suggest 2grams of protein per kg.

Try splitting your meals into 6/8 small meals each day to build metabolism and your body can only consume so much carbs and protein etc at a time. So have set times where you will eat theoughout each day. Protein shake after training and even before would count as a meal. There are good carbs and bad carbs the wholemeal carbs are ok but not too many. The white bread rice etc dont touch! Also fatty and salty foods obv are bad. Drink a lot of water! No fizzy drinks and alcohol does stall the affects of training.

Research your foods and meals and best of luck.

Also with training if you want to lose weight and put muscle on then 20mins of high intensity cardio each session would be ideal or every other session would be good. Then split your sessions however you prefer. I like to mix biceps and triceps. Shoulders back and chest on their own as I split each one into 3 sections to target. Don't forget to train legs also. You can mix one legs with back, chest and shoulders or if you have enough time do all legs in one session.

I've gone with Whey protein from myprotein.com, thanks for suggesting it

I need a decent routine now. Looking to go to the gym 3 times a week, Monday/Wednesday/Friday, starting next week.

I am joining a gym next week. I'm just not sure what sort of thing I'll need

3 meals per day
3 shakes per day in between

ideally casein protein before bed.
ideally whey protein for the other 2 servings.

Forget the protein shakes. Just eat plenty of meals throughout the day and include high protein foods such as fish, meat etc. Also make sure you take in enough carbs to provide you with enough energy to work out.

I am joining a gym next week. I'm just not sure what sort of thing I'll need

3 meals per day
3 shakes per day in between

ideally casein protein before bed.
ideally whey protein for the other 2 servings.

Wrong. Im currently doing sports science in University and protein shakes arent needed. You can have a high protein diet without going out and wasting money on shakes. fish and meat (especially white meat) are all high in protein. It is also important to eat enough carbs to provide your body and muscles with the appropriate amount of energy source.

Forget the protein shakes. Just eat plenty of meals throughout the day and include high protein foods such as fish, meat etc. Also make sure you take in enough carbs to provide you with enough energy to work out.

I've been told this by a few people. Thing is, I'm pretty small and don't eat much at the moment. A meal can fill me up for a good 6 hours or more, so I'd struggle to eat loads of meals until I grow a bit.

Forget the protein shakes. Just eat plenty of meals throughout the day and include high protein foods such as fish, meat etc. Also make sure you take in enough carbs to provide you with enough energy to work out.

I've been told this by a few people. Thing is, I'm pretty small and don't eat much at the moment. A meal can fill me up for a good 6 hours or more, so I'd struggle to eat loads of meals until I grow a bit.

If you do use protein shakes my only advice would be too make sure you do cardio work outs as well so you are using all of the protein. Excess protein turns into fat.

If you want to increase your appetite than try eating smaller meals but more often throughout the day.

If you do use protein shakes my only advice would be too make sure you do cardio work outs as well so you are using all of the protein. Excess protein turns into fat.

If you want to increase your appetite than try eating smaller meals but more often throughout the day.




Excess protein does not turn to fat... Protein is protein, fat is fat. Simple.

Excess calories will make you fat, but as long as their from clean wholesome foods, and you have a decent routine set up, you should gain a decent bit of muscle.

Also 3 days a week is not really a lot. I would go for something like this :-

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Shoulders
Thursday - Rest
Friday - Arms

Have a look on google and you'll find a load of different routines to try out. Good luck

Cheers Morty. 3 times probably isn't enough but I have to balance it with college. I have Mondays off and half days on Wednesday and Friday now, might do a weekend day as well.

What if I do more than one kind of workout each day, i.e

Monday, Back/Biceps
Wednesday, Shoulders/Triceps
Friday, Legs, chest

All with some cardio mixed in. Would that work?

I am joining a gym next week. I'm just not sure what sort of thing I'll need

3 meals per day
3 shakes per day in between

ideally casein protein before bed.
ideally whey protein for the other 2 servings.

Wrong. Im currently doing sports science in University and protein shakes arent needed. You can have a high protein diet without going out and wasting money on shakes. fish and meat (especially white meat) are all high in protein. It is also important to eat enough carbs to provide your body and muscles with the appropriate amount of energy source.

Where did I say they were? What are you trying to prove FFS?

The OP asked about protein shakes so I gave him an answer in terms of protein shakes.

As for your white meat, fish suggestion, is that not expensive then? For good quality produce you pay stupid prices these days.

Would I use protein shakes? Yes I do however I only use whey and a few hours before bed I have a high casein protein based meal so that it slowly digests during sleep.

No one has said anywhere you need protein. Learn to read.

I personally wouldn't have more than 2 shakes a day. One in the morning and one straight after training. Unless you are eating after training then have it inbetween meals. With shakes you still need to eat plenty of meat and follow a decent diet plan.

Training plan

Monday
15-20 mins high intensity cardio
Chest

Tuesday
15-20mins high intensity cardio
Back

Wednesday
Shoulders

Thursday
Legs

Friday
Arms

That is my ideal training plan but I would say try to go 4/5 times a week.

For 3 times

Day 1
Cardio
Chest
Triceps

Day 2
Shoulders
Legs

Day 3
Cardio
Back
Biceps

I Use a few different brands just aslong as its whey protein, also use zma and nitiric oxide i found that the work very well as i use the gym everyday.

If you do use protein shakes my only advice would be too make sure you do cardio work outs as well so you are using all of the protein. Excess protein turns into fat.

If you want to increase your appetite than try eating smaller meals but more often throughout the day.




Excess protein does not turn to fat... Protein is protein, fat is fat. Simple.

Excess calories will make you fat, but as long as their from clean wholesome foods, and you have a decent routine set up, you should gain a decent bit of muscle.

Also 3 days a week is not really a lot. I would go for something like this :-

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Shoulders
Thursday - Rest
Friday - Arms

Have a look on google and you'll find a load of different routines to try out. Good luck

Any excess calories that the body has (in this instance protein) is stored as fat. Fact.

Also three days a week at the start is fine. If you do any more you are likely to injure yourself as your body isn't used to it. Slowly and gradually increase the workload. You can focus on 2 muscle groups per day back/shoulders, chest/tricep and then on the other day biceps.

If you do use protein shakes my only advice would be too make sure you do cardio work outs as well so you are using all of the protein. Excess protein turns into fat.

If you want to increase your appetite than try eating smaller meals but more often throughout the day.




Excess protein does not turn to fat... Protein is protein, fat is fat. Simple.

Excess calories will make you fat, but as long as their from clean wholesome foods, and you have a decent routine set up, you should gain a decent bit of muscle.

Also 3 days a week is not really a lot. I would go for something like this :-

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Shoulders
Thursday - Rest
Friday - Arms

Have a look on google and you'll find a load of different routines to try out. Good luck

Any excess calories that the body has (in this instance protein) is stored as fat. Fact.

Also three days a week at the start is fine. If you do any more you are likely to injure yourself as your body isn't used to it. Slowly and gradually increase the workload. You can focus on 2 muscle groups per day back/shoulders, chest/tricep and then on the other day biceps.

No no no. I am sorry but that is incorrect! I have just started my mate on a training regime and I have done this in the past with a few of my mates and the only time one of my mates has picked up a minor injury is when he was doing the wrong routine on a new exercise he saw someone doing. You can train 4/5 times a week no problem what so ever. In fact doing it this way is if anything better than trying to cram everything into 3 sessions.

Ok the most accurate answer to can protein be turned into fat is a complicated yes.
This involves the protein being digested into glucose and then being stored as body fat but the calories is the thing you need to watch. Around only 40% of the calories from the wasted protein will actually turn into body. So a protein shake of around 30grams protein at least would have 120calories but only 48calories would be stored as body fat if all of that protein was excess.

Carbs is around 70% of the calories are stored as body fat.

If you do use protein shakes my only advice would be too make sure you do cardio work outs as well so you are using all of the protein. Excess protein turns into fat.

If you want to increase your appetite than try eating smaller meals but more often throughout the day.




Excess protein does not turn to fat... Protein is protein, fat is fat. Simple.

Excess calories will make you fat, but as long as their from clean wholesome foods, and you have a decent routine set up, you should gain a decent bit of muscle.

Also 3 days a week is not really a lot. I would go for something like this :-

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Shoulders
Thursday - Rest
Friday - Arms

Have a look on google and you'll find a load of different routines to try out. Good luck

Any excess calories that the body has (in this instance protein) is stored as fat. Fact.

Also three days a week at the start is fine. If you do any more you are likely to injure yourself as your body isn't used to it. Slowly and gradually increase the workload. You can focus on 2 muscle groups per day back/shoulders, chest/tricep and then on the other day biceps.

No no no. I am sorry but that is incorrect! I have just started my mate on a training regime and I have done this in the past with a few of my mates and the only time one of my mates has picked up a minor injury is when he was doing the wrong routine on a new exercise he saw someone doing. You can train 4/5 times a week no problem what so ever. In fact doing it this way is if anything better than trying to cram everything into 3 sessions.

Ok the most accurate answer to can protein be turned into fat is a complicated yes.
This involves the protein being digested into glucose and then being stored as body fat but the calories is the thing you need to watch. Around only 40% of the calories from the wasted protein will actually turn into body. So a protein shake of around 30grams protein at least would have 120calories but only 48calories would be stored as body fat if all of that protein was excess.

Carbs is around 70% of the calories are stored as body fat.

I have to agree with this.

My workout is 5 days training 2 rest days. Those 2 rest days are plenty for your body to recover, as you recover duing sleep also, so need to ensure you are sleeping enough hours.

I would Recommend 5 days,

Monday - Chest, Triceps

Tuesday - Shoulders

Wednesday- Rest

Thursday - Back, Biceps

Friday- Friday I tend to do a light all over Body workout, and focus on Traps and abs.


Throw in Cardio maybe 2 or 3 times a week at high intensity.
2 protien shakes a day is more than enough with one being consumed straight after your workout.
Eat clean, train hard and watch yourself grow.

Out of all your routines on here only 2 of you do legs

Your all going to look like a bunch of pop eyes

i dont use protein shakes, but jack3d is the best training aid ive used. been on it for about 2 and half years and its the business as long as you take it properly. will be gutted if i ever have to live in the uk again and train without it

Out of all your routines on here only 2 of you do legs

Your all going to look like a bunch of pop eyes

As you can see theres no magic formula - everyone has their own methods/diets.
You simply have to work really hard in the gym on all muscle groups (look around when your there and aim to work a lot harder than the average person) and eat more carbs and protein and vegetables. Avoid snacking on anything unnatural but get the nuts in.

Working the main muscle groups release hormones which will also ultimately positively affect your body development. I.e bench pressing, squats and deadlifts (be careful) will help you add muscle diet dependent - anything else is essentially 'sculpting'
If your going to have a protein shake, have one after a workout

If you do use protein shakes my only advice would be too make sure you do cardio work outs as well so you are using all of the protein. Excess protein turns into fat.

If you want to increase your appetite than try eating smaller meals but more often throughout the day.




Excess protein does not turn to fat... Protein is protein, fat is fat. Simple.

Excess calories will make you fat, but as long as their from clean wholesome foods, and you have a decent routine set up, you should gain a decent bit of muscle.

Also 3 days a week is not really a lot. I would go for something like this :-

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Shoulders
Thursday - Rest
Friday - Arms

Have a look on google and you'll find a load of different routines to try out. Good luck

Any excess calories that the body has (in this instance protein) is stored as fat. Fact.

Also three days a week at the start is fine. If you do any more you are likely to injure yourself as your body isn't used to it. Slowly and gradually increase the workload. You can focus on 2 muscle groups per day back/shoulders, chest/tricep and then on the other day biceps.

No no no. I am sorry but that is incorrect! I have just started my mate on a training regime and I have done this in the past with a few of my mates and the only time one of my mates has picked up a minor injury is when he was doing the wrong routine on a new exercise he saw someone doing. You can train 4/5 times a week no problem what so ever. In fact doing it this way is if anything better than trying to cram everything into 3 sessions.

Ok the most accurate answer to can protein be turned into fat is a complicated yes.
This involves the protein being digested into glucose and then being stored as body fat but the calories is the thing you need to watch. Around only 40% of the calories from the wasted protein will actually turn into body. So a protein shake of around 30grams protein at least would have 120calories but only 48calories would be stored as body fat if all of that protein was excess.

Carbs is around 70% of the calories are stored as body fat.

I have to agree with this.

My workout is 5 days training 2 rest days. Those 2 rest days are plenty for your body to recover, as you recover duing sleep also, so need to ensure you are sleeping enough hours.

I would Recommend 5 days,

Monday - Chest, Triceps

Tuesday - Shoulders

Wednesday- Rest

Thursday - Back, Biceps

Friday- Friday I tend to do a light all over Body workout, and focus on Traps and abs.


Throw in Cardio maybe 2 or 3 times a week at high intensity.
2 protien shakes a day is more than enough with one being consumed straight after your workout.
Eat clean, train hard and watch yourself grow.

When you first start training, if you do 5 sessions a week it is likely you are going to do at least one muscle group more than once a week. If muscles havent recovered properly are being re-trained, it is very likely to result in some sort of injury.

Doing each muscle group a week also means your muscles wont get as fatigued and when you are training you will be able to work harder and get more gains/benefits from it.

Once your body becomes used to training you should then increase the workload as your body repairs quicker.

Ive literally just had an exam on this and the majority of sports scientists advise this.

Also try doing deadlifts/squats before each session as it releases endorphins (mainly testostrone) that will promote further growth.

If you do use protein shakes my only advice would be too make sure you do cardio work outs as well so you are using all of the protein. Excess protein turns into fat.

If you want to increase your appetite than try eating smaller meals but more often throughout the day.




Excess protein does not turn to fat... Protein is protein, fat is fat. Simple.

Excess calories will make you fat, but as long as their from clean wholesome foods, and you have a decent routine set up, you should gain a decent bit of muscle.

Also 3 days a week is not really a lot. I would go for something like this :-

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
Wednesday - Shoulders
Thursday - Rest
Friday - Arms

Have a look on google and you'll find a load of different routines to try out. Good luck

Any excess calories that the body has (in this instance protein) is stored as fat. Fact.

Also three days a week at the start is fine. If you do any more you are likely to injure yourself as your body isn't used to it. Slowly and gradually increase the workload. You can focus on 2 muscle groups per day back/shoulders, chest/tricep and then on the other day biceps.

No no no. I am sorry but that is incorrect! I have just started my mate on a training regime and I have done this in the past with a few of my mates and the only time one of my mates has picked up a minor injury is when he was doing the wrong routine on a new exercise he saw someone doing. You can train 4/5 times a week no problem what so ever. In fact doing it this way is if anything better than trying to cram everything into 3 sessions.

Ok the most accurate answer to can protein be turned into fat is a complicated yes.
This involves the protein being digested into glucose and then being stored as body fat but the calories is the thing you need to watch. Around only 40% of the calories from the wasted protein will actually turn into body. So a protein shake of around 30grams protein at least would have 120calories but only 48calories would be stored as body fat if all of that protein was excess.

Carbs is around 70% of the calories are stored as body fat.

I have to agree with this.

My workout is 5 days training 2 rest days. Those 2 rest days are plenty for your body to recover, as you recover duing sleep also, so need to ensure you are sleeping enough hours.

I would Recommend 5 days,

Monday - Chest, Triceps

Tuesday - Shoulders

Wednesday- Rest

Thursday - Back, Biceps

Friday- Friday I tend to do a light all over Body workout, and focus on Traps and abs.


Throw in Cardio maybe 2 or 3 times a week at high intensity.
2 protien shakes a day is more than enough with one being consumed straight after your workout.
Eat clean, train hard and watch yourself grow.

When you first start training, if you do 5 sessions a week it is likely you are going to do at least one muscle group more than once a week. If muscles havent recovered properly are being re-trained, it is very likely to result in some sort of injury.

Doing each muscle group a week also means your muscles wont get as fatigued and when you are training you will be able to work harder and get more gains/benefits from it.

Once your body becomes used to training you should then increase the workload as your body repairs quicker.

Ive literally just had an exam on this and the majority of sports scientists advise this.

Also try doing deadlifts/squats before each session as it releases endorphins (mainly testostrone) that will promote further growth.

As you can see by my training programme you will only do 1 training session for each muscle group. Biceps are used a little with back but not enough to count as a session and same with triceps and shoulders when doing bench press. I love how someone can tell me otherwise since I've been training since I was 16 and helped quite a few of mates start.