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Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:42 am

You guys know Sam Hammam better than most, Is it a good idea to have Sam Hammam involved again at the club? and if so, in what role?

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:45 am

Great question ! :ayatollah:

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:49 am

Leytonstoneblue wrote:You guys know Sam Hammam better than most, Is it a good idea to have Sam Hammam involved again at the club? and if so, in what role?



Answer the question yourself.

What does he know about football.
What has he ever achieved at football.
Who kick started Cardiff City and got the dream going.
Did you enjoy the ride while he was at the club.
If Vt thinks its the best option, should he have the final say or the fans.
If it means the club is debt free,is that a good thing.
:ayatollah:

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:16 am

Once bitten twice shy....wonder what Wimbledon fans would say

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:36 am

BigGwynram wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:You guys know Sam Hammam better than most, Is it a good idea to have Sam Hammam involved again at the club? and if so, in what role?



Answer the question yourself.

What does he know about football.
What has he ever achieved at football.
Who kick started Cardiff City and got the dream going.
Did you enjoy the ride while he was at the club.
If Vt thinks its the best option, should he have the final say or the fans.
If it means the club is debt free,is that a good thing.
:ayatollah:


I asked you guys, specifically Gwyn, because you know the man personally, so you will have a gut feeling and insight far beyond my own, I know what he has achieved in the past. I am not looking for clever answers like the one above, just how you would honestly feel about SH back at the club and if so what role and influence you would be happy or comfortable with him having?

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:43 am

For me, it would be a dream team - after the whole "forensic accountants" issue, I thought it would never happen, and if it was a straight choice between VT and Sam, I'd choose VT, but if they can both work together, very happy days :ayatollah:

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:49 am

Sam is his own man and I cant really see him working alongside or under anyone else, but this historical debt needs to be sorted and hopefully this weekend will aid those negotiations.

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:56 pm

corky wrote:Sam is his own man and I cant really see him working alongside or under anyone else, but this historical debt needs to be sorted and hopefully this weekend will aid those negotiations.


Hi Corky, that's what I suspected, thanks for your honest opinion. I hope that this newly formed relationship between the two, is just VT is buttering up Sam in the hope that a deal over the debt can be reached cordially and quickly. I fail to see what use Sam would be as an advisor these days, as on the football front although once undoubtedly knowledgeable, he has been away from the game for too long to have any real connections or influence. On the business side of things, well in all fairness Sam is one of the last people you would trust with finances. As a motivator or fan base go between, well most of that in the past was reliant on him being the BOSS and calling all the shots and as he would'nt have that kind of power then that role also becomes redundant. However, as I said earlier, I will be happily corrected, if yourself, Annis or Gwyn have a different view, due your own gut feelings, from knowing the guy personally.

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:56 am

Leytonstoneblue wrote:
corky wrote:Sam is his own man and I cant really see him working alongside or under anyone else, but this historical debt needs to be sorted and hopefully this weekend will aid those negotiations.


Hi Corky, that's what I suspected, thanks for your honest opinion. I hope that this newly formed relationship between the two, is just VT is buttering up Sam in the hope that a deal over the debt can be reached cordially and quickly. I fail to see what use Sam would be as an advisor these days, as on the football front although once undoubtedly knowledgeable, he has been away from the game for too long to have any real connections or influence. On the business side of things, well in all fairness Sam is one of the last people you would trust with finances. As a motivator or fan base go between, well most of that in the past was reliant on him being the BOSS and calling all the shots and as he would'nt have that kind of power then that role also becomes redundant. However, as I said earlier, I will be happily corrected, if yourself, Annis or Gwyn have a different view, due your own gut feelings, from knowing the guy personally.


I find it hard to differentiate between the Sam Hammam I know as a friend and Sam Hammam the football man. In a weird way i feel protective of the man as a person,he is a real family man, he loves football and he loves genuinely being with the fans and "being one of the boys"

But I have always said that whilst I love the man like a family member, I could never work for him (not even for brown envelopes ;) ) he can be quite ruthless abrupt and driven, but it has got him and his clubs results, never been relegated, discovered and nurtured so much talent at a club with only a few fans and run on a shoe string.

I can foresee trouble ahead, two many alpha males in one mix, but possibly that can be turned into a positive, time will tell, I hope and pray for the best, but also hold my breath.

I will finish by saying after watching Cardiff for forty six years mostly out a of a blind loyalty, the time since Sam came to us has been the best by a country mile, and love or hate the man no one can deny it is highly likely we would still be floundering in the lower divisions without his appearance. :old:

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:59 am

BigGwynram wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:
corky wrote:Sam is his own man and I cant really see him working alongside or under anyone else, but this historical debt needs to be sorted and hopefully this weekend will aid those negotiations.


Hi Corky, that's what I suspected, thanks for your honest opinion. I hope that this newly formed relationship between the two, is just VT is buttering up Sam in the hope that a deal over the debt can be reached cordially and quickly. I fail to see what use Sam would be as an advisor these days, as on the football front although once undoubtedly knowledgeable, he has been away from the game for too long to have any real connections or influence. On the business side of things, well in all fairness Sam is one of the last people you would trust with finances. As a motivator or fan base go between, well most of that in the past was reliant on him being the BOSS and calling all the shots and as he would'nt have that kind of power then that role also becomes redundant. However, as I said earlier, I will be happily corrected, if yourself, Annis or Gwyn have a different view, due your own gut feelings, from knowing the guy personally.


I find it hard to differentiate between the Sam Hammam I know as a friend and Sam Hammam the football man. In a weird way i feel protective of the man as a person,he is a real family man, he loves football and he loves genuinely being with the fans and "being one of the boys"

But I have always said that whilst I love the man like a family member, I could never work for him (not even for brown envelopes ;) ) he can be quite ruthless abrupt and driven, but it has got him and his clubs results, never been relegated, discovered and nurtured so much talent at a club with only a few fans and run on a shoe string.

I can foresee trouble ahead, two many alpha males in one mix, but possibly that can be turned into a positive, time will tell, I hope and pray for the best, but also hold my breath.

I will finish by saying after watching Cardiff for forty six years mostly out a of a blind loyalty, the time since Sam came to us has been the best by a country mile, and love or hate the man no one can deny it is highly likely we would still be floundering in the lower divisions without his appearance. :old:


Second that

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:03 am

BigGwynram wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:
corky wrote:Sam is his own man and I cant really see him working alongside or under anyone else, but this historical debt needs to be sorted and hopefully this weekend will aid those negotiations.


Hi Corky, that's what I suspected, thanks for your honest opinion. I hope that this newly formed relationship between the two, is just VT is buttering up Sam in the hope that a deal over the debt can be reached cordially and quickly. I fail to see what use Sam would be as an advisor these days, as on the football front although once undoubtedly knowledgeable, he has been away from the game for too long to have any real connections or influence. On the business side of things, well in all fairness Sam is one of the last people you would trust with finances. As a motivator or fan base go between, well most of that in the past was reliant on him being the BOSS and calling all the shots and as he would'nt have that kind of power then that role also becomes redundant. However, as I said earlier, I will be happily corrected, if yourself, Annis or Gwyn have a different view, due your own gut feelings, from knowing the guy personally.


I find it hard to differentiate between the Sam Hammam I know as a friend and Sam Hammam the football man. In a weird way i feel protective of the man as a person,he is a real family man, he loves football and he loves genuinely being with the fans and "being one of the boys"

But I have always said that whilst I love the man like a family member, I could never work for him (not even for brown envelopes ;) ) he can be quite ruthless abrupt and driven, but it has got him and his clubs results, never been relegated, discovered and nurtured so much talent at a club with only a few fans and run on a shoe string.

I can foresee trouble ahead, two many alpha males in one mix, but possibly that can be turned into a positive, time will tell, I hope and pray for the best, but also hold my breath.

I will finish by saying after watching Cardiff for forty six years mostly out a of a blind loyalty, the time since Sam came to us has been the best by a country mile, and love or hate the man no one can deny it is highly likely we would still be floundering in the lower divisions without his appearance. :old:

agree with pretty much everything you said there gwyn but i dont see sam involved football wise in the day to day running of the club as i think any interference and malky would be out the door in my opinion.
somethings are left best alone and in this instance dont try to fix what aint broke

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:18 am

steve davies wrote:
BigGwynram wrote:
Leytonstoneblue wrote:
corky wrote:Sam is his own man and I cant really see him working alongside or under anyone else, but this historical debt needs to be sorted and hopefully this weekend will aid those negotiations.


Hi Corky, that's what I suspected, thanks for your honest opinion. I hope that this newly formed relationship between the two, is just VT is buttering up Sam in the hope that a deal over the debt can be reached cordially and quickly. I fail to see what use Sam would be as an advisor these days, as on the football front although once undoubtedly knowledgeable, he has been away from the game for too long to have any real connections or influence. On the business side of things, well in all fairness Sam is one of the last people you would trust with finances. As a motivator or fan base go between, well most of that in the past was reliant on him being the BOSS and calling all the shots and as he would'nt have that kind of power then that role also becomes redundant. However, as I said earlier, I will be happily corrected, if yourself, Annis or Gwyn have a different view, due your own gut feelings, from knowing the guy personally.


I find it hard to differentiate between the Sam Hammam I know as a friend and Sam Hammam the football man. In a weird way i feel protective of the man as a person,he is a real family man, he loves football and he loves genuinely being with the fans and "being one of the boys"

But I have always said that whilst I love the man like a family member, I could never work for him (not even for brown envelopes ;) ) he can be quite ruthless abrupt and driven, but it has got him and his clubs results, never been relegated, discovered and nurtured so much talent at a club with only a few fans and run on a shoe string.

I can foresee trouble ahead, two many alpha males in one mix, but possibly that can be turned into a positive, time will tell, I hope and pray for the best, but also hold my breath.

I will finish by saying after watching Cardiff for forty six years mostly out a of a blind loyalty, the time since Sam came to us has been the best by a country mile, and love or hate the man no one can deny it is highly likely we would still be floundering in the lower divisions without his appearance. :old:

agree with pretty much everything you said there gwyn but i dont see sam involved football wise in the day to day running of the club as i think any interference and malky would be out the door in my opinion.
somethings are left best alone and in this instance dont try to fix what aint broke


Totally agree, and it's the Malky aspect that worries me most, but Malky is a switched on forward thinking Cookie and I'd like to believe he could harness and use Sam's experience whilst keeping aspects in check, but hey that's me ever the optimist, possibly the reason I been here so long and still living the dream :lol: :lol:

Re: Two question for Annis, Gwyn, Corky

Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:01 am

Hammam is like heroin. You know he's bad for you, you know it's not a good idea but you also know that if you go without him having had him for so long previously then it will really hurt you and as much as you want to deny it, when you've got him it's f*cking entertaining.

I ideally would never want him near the club again but no-one can argue that his reign was the most entertaining at the club. The man is dangerous to us... and that's what makes him even more enticing.