About Sam Hammam

Unreal how many fans take what he did for this club for granted.

Im not a fan of his but credit where its due for crying out loud.

All I hear is he nearly drove us into administration and took us into millions of debt

What about the stadium? We now have a stadium ready for Premier League. Blackpool weren't ready for the Premier League and in one aspect of that was their stadium. Ninian Park was no different in terms of condition.

What about firing up the fans to conquer Leeds and the passion he showed during that game? Is that not passion you'd like to see in the Premier League getting the CCS pumping? It may not happen every week but im sure against the big teams he'd help turn the CCS into a hell hole. We know it can get loud as the promotion game was proof of it. All the CCS needs is a catalyst.

What about helping us on our path to realising the dream? We are in the Premier League now, everything could have been so different had he not bothered. Its paid off to some degree and we should be thankful it has. Others not so lucky so maybe we should be thankful for that instead of thinking of all the negatives.

All we see is people highlighting the negatives. His only negatives were financial control. If he comes back he is likely to not have control of spending and that will be done by VT allocating the money. Its easy to expose peoples weaknesses than compliment them on the good things they done. Many of us have taken the good things he has done for granted as if it is our divine right to be in the position we are. No we are in the position we are thanks to the hard work of many many people including Sam, Borley, Tan, and so on and on.

I would like to say thanks to every one of them for their involvement on the journey from those in the board room to those who serve the beer that tastes like piss.

Everyone deserves a second chance to a degree and we are now in a position to move forward as a cohesive unit thanks to the monetary rewards of obtaining Premier League football. Everyone has faults including us fans!

Unreal how many fans take what he did for this club for granted.

Im not a fan of his but credit where its due for crying out loud.

All I hear is he nearly drove us into administration and took us into millions of debt

What about the stadium? We now have a stadium ready for Premier League. Blackpool weren't ready for the Premier League and in one aspect of that was their stadium. Ninian Park was no different in terms of condition.

What about firing up the fans to conquer Leeds and the passion he showed during that game? Is that not passion you'd like to see in the Premier League getting the CCS pumping? It may not happen every week but im sure against the big teams he'd help turn the CCS into a hell hole. We know it can get loud as the promotion game was proof of it. All the CCS needs is a catalyst.

What about helping us on our path to realising the dream? We are in the Premier League now, everything could have been so different had he not bothered. Its paid off to some degree and we should be thankful it has. Others not so lucky so maybe we should be thankful for that instead of thinking of all the negatives.

All we see is people highlighting the negatives. His only negatives were financial control. If he comes back he is likely to not have control of spending and that will be done by VT allocating the money. Its easy to expose peoples weaknesses than compliment them on the good things they done. Many of us have taken the good things he has done for granted as if it is our divine right to be in the position we are. No we are in the position we are thanks to the hard work of many many people including Sam, Borley, Tan, and so on and on.

I would like to say thanks to every one of them for their involvement on the journey from those in the board room to those who serve the beer that tastes like piss.

Everyone deserves a second chance to a degree and we are now in a position to move forward as a cohesive unit thanks to the monetary rewards of obtaining Premier League football. Everyone has faults including us fans!

Ridsdale delivered the stadium, not Sam.

And I'm sure the Leeds red card, the inner turmoil at their club, kavanagh and Scott young had more to do with the Leeds win.

Ridsdale delivered the stadium, not Sam.

And I'm sure the Leeds red card, the inner turmoil at their club, kavanagh and Scott young had more to do with the Leeds win.

Hammams vision, plan etc. for the stadium and he was the one who realised it was needed and convinced the authorities to grant permission for it. Ridsdale would have had sod all to deliver if Sam didn't have his vision.

Of course they were all factors too but there was no doubting his passion and commitment.

As stated, his only negative was finance. If he is welcomed back and he has no say in financial matters and that stays firmly in VT's control then im all for it.

He had good points and bad points. No real question about that, Cardiff were toxic and he was the only person who came near us and he saw the vision which is in many ways being realised now. Albeit with stacks of other people's money.

It's similar to the rebrand. If he comes back or not. We as fans have no real control. Similar to the rebrand. Good points and bad points.

He had good points and bad points. No real question about that, Cardiff were toxic and he was the only person who came near us and he saw the vision which is in many ways being realised now. Albeit with stacks of other people's money.

It's similar to the rebrand. If he comes back or not. We as fans have no real control. Similar to the rebrand. Good points and bad points.

Spot on mate. The problem is many are only highlighting his negatives which will distort opinion of some who know nothing about what really happened. Both sides of the story should be told and it should be balanced so people can make up their own minds. I think thats fair for all concerned.

All opinions welcome

i dont get how people love sam because he has good points as well as bad yet slate Vt! he also has good and bad points, but because he doesnt suck up to the fans hes not as loved as sam is, it would be great to get this debt sorted ad all of us move on

He had good points and bad points. No real question about that, Cardiff were toxic and he was the only person who came near us and he saw the vision which is in many ways being realised now. Albeit with stacks of other people's money.

It's similar to the rebrand. If he comes back or not. We as fans have no real control. Similar to the rebrand. Good points and bad points.

Spot on mate. The problem is many are only highlighting his negatives which will distort opinion of some who know nothing about what really happened. Both sides of the story should be told and it should be balanced so people can make up their own minds. I think thats fair for all concerned.

The one fact that can't be distorted is that the cub was 1.5 million in debt when he bought it and nearly 37 million in debt when he left.
He had outline planning for the stadium nothing else. Another fact is that he said when he left the club the debt was his and went with him.
There are a number of people on this board who were present when he made that statement

bollox to all this debt shite as a city fan for 36 years ive had one hell of a ride and now im starting to enjoy it ps im in the directors box tomorrow do you want me to shake his hand or hmm

The Council made it perfectly clear that if Sam had been in charge there is no way that the stadium would have been built. How many business plans did Sam submit to the Council which were rejected?

The fact is that even Sam eventually accepted that in order to get the stadium through he would have to employ somebody else and that turned out to be Ridsdale.

And I'm sure that Sam wasn't pushing for a new stadium for the good of the club. Like all of his actions with Cardiff City it would have been with a view to making money for Sam Hammam.

The Council made it perfectly clear that if Sam had been in charge there is no way that the stadium would have been built. How many business plans did Sam submit to the Council which were rejected?

The fact is that even Sam eventually accepted that in order to get the stadium through he would have to employ somebody else and that turned out to be Ridsdale.

And I'm sure that Sam wasn't pushing for a new stadium for the good of the club. Like all of his actions with Cardiff City it would have been with a view to making money for Sam Hammam.

Every owner who isn't already a billionaire is out there to make money so that is a null point. Those who have clubs have toys are the ones who do it for image. There is always an unwritten clause or agenda with any owner.

The Council made it perfectly clear that if Sam had been in charge there is no way that the stadium would have been built. How many business plans did Sam submit to the Council which were rejected?

The fact is that even Sam eventually accepted that in order to get the stadium through he would have to employ somebody else and that turned out to be Ridsdale.

And I'm sure that Sam wasn't pushing for a new stadium for the good of the club. Like all of his actions with Cardiff City it would have been with a view to making money for Sam Hammam.

What has always amazed me is that paul guy lent the 9 million to ensure the stadium got completed and is given shit for wanting his money back and ridsdale gets the credit for the stadium when in fact paul guy was the person who got enough retail signed up at leckwith to enable the council to release the planning consent.

The Council made it perfectly clear that if Sam had been in charge there is no way that the stadium would have been built. How many business plans did Sam submit to the Council which were rejected?

The fact is that even Sam eventually accepted that in order to get the stadium through he would have to employ somebody else and that turned out to be Ridsdale.

And I'm sure that Sam wasn't pushing for a new stadium for the good of the club. Like all of his actions with Cardiff City it would have been with a view to making money for Sam Hammam.

What has always amazed me is that paul guy lent the 9 million to ensure the stadium got completed and is given shit for wanting his money back and ridsdale gets the credit for the stadium when in fact paul guy was the person who got enough retail signed up at leckwith to enable the council to release the planning consent.

Steve, I honestly wasn't aware of that. Would have given credit there if I'd have known

The Council made it perfectly clear that if Sam had been in charge there is no way that the stadium would have been built. How many business plans did Sam submit to the Council which were rejected?

The fact is that even Sam eventually accepted that in order to get the stadium through he would have to employ somebody else and that turned out to be Ridsdale.

And I'm sure that Sam wasn't pushing for a new stadium for the good of the club. Like all of his actions with Cardiff City it would have been with a view to making money for Sam Hammam.

Every owner who isn't already a billionaire is out there to make money so that is a null point. Those who have clubs have toys are the ones who do it for image. There is always an unwritten clause or agenda with any owner.

Point taken but not all those out to make money pedal such bullshit about how they've fallen in love with the club, are spending too much of their own money ( ) on the club and how we're all part of the same "family".

The Council made it perfectly clear that if Sam had been in charge there is no way that the stadium would have been built. How many business plans did Sam submit to the Council which were rejected?

The fact is that even Sam eventually accepted that in order to get the stadium through he would have to employ somebody else and that turned out to be Ridsdale.

And I'm sure that Sam wasn't pushing for a new stadium for the good of the club. Like all of his actions with Cardiff City it would have been with a view to making money for Sam Hammam.

What has always amazed me is that paul guy lent the 9 million to ensure the stadium got completed and is given shit for wanting his money back and ridsdale gets the credit for the stadium when in fact paul guy was the person who got enough retail signed up at leckwith to enable the council to release the planning consent.

Steve, I honestly wasn't aware of that. Would have given credit there if I'd have known

Natman
That's what the premiership seating money has been going to paul guy for to pay that debt off

Unreal how many fans take what he did for this club for granted.

Im not a fan of his but credit where its due for crying out loud.

All I hear is he nearly drove us into administration and took us into millions of debt

What about the stadium? We now have a stadium ready for Premier League. Blackpool weren't ready for the Premier League and in one aspect of that was their stadium. Ninian Park was no different in terms of condition.

What about firing up the fans to conquer Leeds and the passion he showed during that game? Is that not passion you'd like to see in the Premier League getting the CCS pumping? It may not happen every week but im sure against the big teams he'd help turn the CCS into a hell hole. We know it can get loud as the promotion game was proof of it. All the CCS needs is a catalyst.

What about helping us on our path to realising the dream? We are in the Premier League now, everything could have been so different had he not bothered. Its paid off to some degree and we should be thankful it has. Others not so lucky so maybe we should be thankful for that instead of thinking of all the negatives.

All we see is people highlighting the negatives. His only negatives were financial control. If he comes back he is likely to not have control of spending and that will be done by VT allocating the money. Its easy to expose peoples weaknesses than compliment them on the good things they done. Many of us have taken the good things he has done for granted as if it is our divine right to be in the position we are. No we are in the position we are thanks to the hard work of many many people including Sam, Borley, Tan, and so on and on.

I would like to say thanks to every one of them for their involvement on the journey from those in the board room to those who serve the beer that tastes like piss.

Everyone deserves a second chance to a degree and we are now in a position to move forward as a cohesive unit thanks to the monetary rewards of obtaining Premier League football. Everyone has faults including us fans!

I think you'll find that the council at the time threatened to pull the plug if he stayed on board.

Ok, fans loved the humour, fans loved the passion he brought, however his unprofessionalism at times made this club a joke. People forget, anyone can look a hero with someone else's money.

He had good points and bad points. No real question about that, Cardiff were toxic and he was the only person who came near us and he saw the vision which is in many ways being realised now. Albeit with stacks of other people's money.

It's similar to the rebrand. If he comes back or not. We as fans have no real control. Similar to the rebrand. Good points and bad points.

Spot on mate. The problem is many are only highlighting his negatives which will distort opinion of some who know nothing about what really happened. Both sides of the story should be told and it should be balanced so people can make up their own minds. I think thats fair for all concerned.

The one fact that can't be distorted is that the cub was 1.5 million in debt when he bought it and nearly 37 million in debt when he left.
He had outline planning for the stadium nothing else. Another fact is that he said when he left the club the debt was his and went with him.
There are a number of people on this board who were present when he made that statement

Just watched the valley rams TV clip on Black Friday, so shocking tactic by Sam, people are blind.

he sold us the dream then delivered f**k all exept debt and we were lucky to have ridsdale to sort the shit out he left us in, although im not a fan of ridsdale id prefer him to sam,

he sold us the dream then delivered f**k all exept debt and we were lucky to have ridsdale to sort the shit out he left us in, although im not a fan of ridsdale id prefer him to sam,

Did we not get promoted during the Hammam era then?

Unreal how many fans take what he did for this club for granted.

Im not a fan of his but credit where its due for crying out loud.

All I hear is he nearly drove us into administration and took us into millions of debt

What about the stadium? We now have a stadium ready for Premier League. Blackpool weren't ready for the Premier League and in one aspect of that was their stadium. Ninian Park was no different in terms of condition.

What about firing up the fans to conquer Leeds and the passion he showed during that game? Is that not passion you'd like to see in the Premier League getting the CCS pumping? It may not happen every week but im sure against the big teams he'd help turn the CCS into a hell hole. We know it can get loud as the promotion game was proof of it. All the CCS needs is a catalyst.

What about helping us on our path to realising the dream? We are in the Premier League now, everything could have been so different had he not bothered. Its paid off to some degree and we should be thankful it has. Others not so lucky so maybe we should be thankful for that instead of thinking of all the negatives.

All we see is people highlighting the negatives. His only negatives were financial control. If he comes back he is likely to not have control of spending and that will be done by VT allocating the money. Its easy to expose peoples weaknesses than compliment them on the good things they done. Many of us have taken the good things he has done for granted as if it is our divine right to be in the position we are. No we are in the position we are thanks to the hard work of many many people including Sam, Borley, Tan, and so on and on.

I would like to say thanks to every one of them for their involvement on the journey from those in the board room to those who serve the beer that tastes like piss.

Everyone deserves a second chance to a degree and we are now in a position to move forward as a cohesive unit thanks to the monetary rewards of obtaining Premier League football. Everyone has faults including us fans!

Not many (who were actually there ) will ever forget what Sam did for the club but the trouble is that it was two-fold, i.e. the beginning when he took us on an incredibly positive and surreal journey, then the end when he nearly fecked us over and had the cheek to take us to Court for money HE had inexplicably (IMHO) leant the club at great interst rates

Not quite a conman but certainly not what he first appeared (and as we were warned by those little Womble people from Sarth Landon)

I will nether applaud im nor Boo him if he attends on Saturday but I will certainly spare a thought for the much maligned Peter Ridsdale and certainly applaud Vincent Tan for (a) bringing in Malky, and (b) backing him like NO manager we have ever had

The Council made it perfectly clear that if Sam had been in charge there is no way that the stadium would have been built. How many business plans did Sam submit to the Council which were rejected?

The fact is that even Sam eventually accepted that in order to get the stadium through he would have to employ somebody else and that turned out to be Ridsdale.

And I'm sure that Sam wasn't pushing for a new stadium for the good of the club. Like all of his actions with Cardiff City it would have been with a view to making money for Sam Hammam.

What has always amazed me is that paul guy lent the 9 million to ensure the stadium got completed and is given shit for wanting his money back and ridsdale gets the credit for the stadium when in fact paul guy was the person who got enough retail signed up at leckwith to enable the council to release the planning consent.

Steve, I honestly wasn't aware of that. Would have given credit there if I'd have known

Natman
That's what the premiership seating money has been going to paul guy for to pay that debt off

Makes sense then really. Its sad how the truth often gets lost because of the propaganda machines on herr