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The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:35 am

I was talking to a coach the other day from the local rugby club. He genuinely fears for Rugby in Wales now. For example his 7 year old son who has never showed one iota of interest in the football, asked his father this week could he go and watch Cardiff City next season. This is one example of what the local game and regions are going to be up against, the longer both welsh clubs are playing the countries best

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:37 am

CityGent wrote:I was talking to a coach the other day from the local rugby club. He genuinely fears for Rugby in Wales now. For example his 7 year old son who has never showed one iota of interest in the football, asked his father this week could he go and watch Cardiff City next season. This is one example of what the local game and regions are going to be up against, the longer both welsh clubs are playing the countries best


I really hope it does go that way, all through school we HAD to play rugby and it we wern't allowed to play football, all the media about Wales being a rugby nation etc and nothing being done to improve football or help it at grass root levels

KARMA IS SUCH A BITCH :lol: :lol: The egg have had thier day! boring pathetic sport :ayatollah:

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:40 am

CityGent wrote:I was talking to a coach the other day from the local rugby club. He genuinely fears for Rugby in Wales now. For example his 7 year old son who has never showed one iota of interest in the football, asked his father this week could he go and watch Cardiff City next season. This is one example of what the local game and regions are going to be up against, the longer both welsh clubs are playing the countries best


The sharp drop in the Ospreys attendances down this way should be all the proof that the WRU need to see, there is no doubt that the Swans have had a negative impact on the rugby down this way. Now getting the WRU to get their heads out of the sand is a completely different matter.

For the time being, I suppose that the national teams success in recent years is masking the obvious?

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:41 am

Ben wrote:
CityGent wrote:I was talking to a coach the other day from the local rugby club. He genuinely fears for Rugby in Wales now. For example his 7 year old son who has never showed one iota of interest in the football, asked his father this week could he go and watch Cardiff City next season. This is one example of what the local game and regions are going to be up against, the longer both welsh clubs are playing the countries best


I really hope it does go that way, all through school we HAD to play rugby and it we wern't allowed to play football, all the media about Wales being a rugby nation etc and nothing being done to improve football or help it at grass root levels

KARMA IS SUCH A BITCH :lol: :lol: The egg have had thier day! boring pathetic sport :ayatollah:


The six nations will always be a massive event, but with the emergence of the round ball there will be changes through the regions sooner than later

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:44 am

I love the 6nations, but there does seem to have been a conspiracy of silence in the media with regard football over the years.

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:13 am

CityGent wrote:
Ben wrote:
CityGent wrote:I was talking to a coach the other day from the local rugby club. He genuinely fears for Rugby in Wales now. For example his 7 year old son who has never showed one iota of interest in the football, asked his father this week could he go and watch Cardiff City next season. This is one example of what the local game and regions are going to be up against, the longer both welsh clubs are playing the countries best


I really hope it does go that way, all through school we HAD to play rugby and it we wern't allowed to play football, all the media about Wales being a rugby nation etc and nothing being done to improve football or help it at grass root levels

KARMA IS SUCH A BITCH :lol: :lol: The egg have had thier day! boring pathetic sport :ayatollah:


The six nations will always be a massive event, but with the emergence of the round ball there will be changes through the regions sooner than later



The six nations has little relation to rugby or rugby supporters and it's been like that for a number of years, it's been hijacked by thousands of ladies ;) wearing daffodil hats and not knowing who plays where and who anyone is other than that one with the great legs. :lol: :lol:

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:27 am

BigGwynram wrote:

The six nations has little relation to rugby or rugby supporters and it's been like that for a number of years, it's been hijacked by thousands of ladies ;) wearing daffodil hats and not knowing who plays where and who anyone is other than that one with the great legs. :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ain't that the truth :lol:

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:31 am

It is bound to make a difference, young players who excel at Football can earn huge wages compared to rugby and now we have two clubs that can afford to offer more to youngsters it seems obvious there will be more kids opting for football

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:38 am

Rugby died the day they sold all the small local clubs down the river and told the fans to support four franchises. When I was growing up I remember the Ponty boys coming down to Cardiff in mass numbers to watch there team play at the arms park. I was never one for rugby but I used to watch them on occasion for the craic. They've killed it all now, the WRU and there greed.

The recent success of the national team has papered over the cracks, wait until they start failing and shit will hit the fan. They won't blame football though, way too proud for that.

:old:

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:39 am

BigGwynram wrote:
CityGent wrote:
Ben wrote:
CityGent wrote:I was talking to a coach the other day from the local rugby club. He genuinely fears for Rugby in Wales now. For example his 7 year old son who has never showed one iota of interest in the football, asked his father this week could he go and watch Cardiff City next season. This is one example of what the local game and regions are going to be up against, the longer both welsh clubs are playing the countries best


I really hope it does go that way, all through school we HAD to play rugby and it we wern't allowed to play football, all the media about Wales being a rugby nation etc and nothing being done to improve football or help it at grass root levels

KARMA IS SUCH A BITCH :lol: :lol: The egg have had thier day! boring pathetic sport :ayatollah:


The six nations will always be a massive event, but with the emergence of the round ball there will be changes through the regions sooner than later



The six nations has little relation to rugby or rugby supporters and it's been like that for a number of years, it's been hijacked by thousands of ladies ;) wearing daffodil hats and not knowing who plays where and who anyone is other than that one with the great legs. :lol: :lol:


And the fact that all these females can get their hands on tickets further masks the situation.Back in the day tickets avaliable for general purchase were like rocking horse shit-now any fucker can get one. The real trouble will come when the welsh team have a pro-longed bad spell.

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:48 am

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Rugby died the day they sold all the small local clubs down the river and told the fans to support four franchises. When I was growing up I remember the Ponty boys coming down to Cardiff in mass numbers to watch there team play at the arms park. I was never one for rugby but I used to watch them on occasion for the craic. They've killed it all now, the WRU and there greed.

The recent success of the national team has papered over the cracks, wait until they start failing and shit will hit the fan. They won't blame football though, way too proud for that.

:old:


I couldn't agree more old man.

Being from Pontypool, we were expected to support the Gwent Dragons. To add insult to injury, Newport RFC insisted that the WRU stuck 'Newport' in the region's name.... C**ts!!

Club rugby in Wales is now the equivalent to football's Sunday league!

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:50 am

The talent will rise to the top in both sports. Some people may try football but switch to rugby as they get older and more crucially bigger, and conversely if someone playing rugby at a young age doesn't develop physically. Footballers and rugby don't tend to come from the same gene pool. Physicality comes into it as well as technical skill. If someone shows a talent in both a choice will have to be made, and football may benefit from this. Participation in schools wont change much as most schools offer both, its then down to talent. Rugby skill sets are slightly lower than football so the cream doesn't have to rise so high. Thus kids will gravitate towards the sport they have more success in. Both sports will thrive.

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:55 am

toshacks_1_tales wrote:The talent will rise to the top in both sports. Some people may try football but switch to rugby as they get older and more crucially bigger, and conversely if someone playing rugby at a young age doesn't develop physically. Footballers and rugby don't tend to come from the same gene pool. Physicality comes into it as well as technical skill. If someone shows a talent in both a choice will have to be made, and football may benefit from this. Participation in schools wont change much as most schools offer both, its then down to talent. Rugby skill sets are slightly lower than football so the cream doesn't have to rise so high. Thus kids will gravitate towards the sport they have more success in. Both sports will thrive.


I hope you're right, perhaps both sports will benefit from all the interest. I just hope the media are fair in the coverage.

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:20 pm

CityGent wrote:I was talking to a coach the other day from the local rugby club. He genuinely fears for Rugby in Wales now. For example his 7 year old son who has never showed one iota of interest in the football, asked his father this week could he go and watch Cardiff City next season. This is one example of what the local game and regions are going to be up against, the longer both welsh clubs are playing the countries best


So does watching Cardiff City mean that these kids can't ever play rugby as well? No of course it doesn't. In truth the majority of rugby fans are Man U or Liverpool fans as well. So that's all that will happen is you'll see these supporting Cardiff over those english clubs but still retain their love for rugby.

That rugby coach is typical of the negative attitude that has dragged the game down. But as long as they've got someone else to blame then they are well happy.

Welsh rugby only have themselves to blame for the demise of the game. The sooner they admit this to themselves the quicker they can stop the rot. They'll never do that though because they are always right. Afterall people who play rugby believe they are far more intelligent than everyone else. :lol:

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:20 pm

I thought that the last few years the Welsh Assembly pumped quite a bit of money into the WRU, but completely ignored Cardiff City. Could anyone shed more light on this, as it seems they thought more of rugby?
I think some of it was down to the WRU speaking out and supporting the Welsh Assembly with a yes vote.



It goes to show that the Rugby bigwigs at the WRU have their heads shoved up their asses and have shunned football over the years thinking of Cardiff City as not a threat to the game of rugby in Wales.
They thought that shunning valley rugby for 4 regions would be great as everyone from Pontypridd, Ebbw Vale and Bridgend would leave their local clubs to go and support regional rugby, how wrong they were. :D :D

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:52 pm

CityGent wrote:I was talking to a coach the other day from the local rugby club. He genuinely fears for Rugby in Wales now. For example his 7 year old son who has never showed one iota of interest in the football, asked his father this week could he go and watch Cardiff City next season. This is one example of what the local game and regions are going to be up against, the longer both welsh clubs are playing the countries best


The national game is thriving and will always do well in Wales . Club / regional rugby has failed , a report was done on the regions which concluded they were not a viable business model . Simply can't sustain the wages of international players with 4/ 5 k turning up every 2 weeks . And that's before considering the premier league impact for cardiff .

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:08 pm

I was speaking to a teacher at a secondary school of 1500 pupils and he told me he struggles to get a rugby team together, but can get 3 teams out for football.

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:18 pm

Rugby should be a summer sport if it wants to thrive again.

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:19 pm

carmarthen bluebird wrote:I was speaking to a teacher at a secondary school of 1500 pupils and he told me he struggles to get a rugby team together, but can get 3 teams out for football.


I would guess that the demise of the grammar schools didn't help schoolboy rugby as they were a bastion of the game. Obviously that's a few years back now but if you take out the foundation stones the structure tends to wobble.

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:15 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:
carmarthen bluebird wrote:I was speaking to a teacher at a secondary school of 1500 pupils and he told me he struggles to get a rugby team together, but can get 3 teams out for football.


I would guess that the demise of the grammar schools didn't help schoolboy rugby as they were a bastion of the game. Obviously that's a few years back now but if you take out the foundation stones the structure tends to wobble.


Having gone through grammar school in the 60/70's, we weren't even allowed to player football in the dinner break.

For PROPER rugby fans who REGULARLY watch/play the game, then that's their choice, but the international game watching twats who don't even know which teams the players play for - lowest of the low especially if they think it's the national game.

Egg chasing is dieing on it's fat guts and not before time

:ayatollah: :wave:

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:19 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Rugby died the day they sold all the small local clubs down the river and told the fans to support four franchises. When I was growing up I remember the Ponty boys coming down to Cardiff in mass numbers to watch there team play at the arms park. I was never one for rugby but I used to watch them on occasion for the craic. They've killed it all now, the WRU and there greed.

The recent success of the national team has papered over the cracks, wait until they start failing and shit will hit the fan. They won't blame football though, way too proud for that.

:old:


here here couldnt agree more

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:02 am

It's taken a big hit in Swansea and Mike Cuddy (osprey's owner)came out in the press recently and was clearly worried at the rise of football in these parts.I don't think it will affect Llanelli or Newport but in Swansea and Cardiff it's inevitable.Bring it on i say as I can't stand rugby bods.

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:21 am

6 bysedd wrote:It's taken a big hit in Swansea and Mike Cuddy (osprey's owner)came out in the press recently and was clearly worried at the rise of football in these parts.I don't think it will affect Llanelli or Newport but in Swansea and Cardiff it's inevitable.Bring it on i say as I can't stand rugby bods.



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Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:25 am

6 bysedd wrote:It's taken a big hit in Swansea and Mike Cuddy (osprey's owner)came out in the press recently and was clearly worried at the rise of football in these parts.I don't think it will affect Llanelli or Newport but in Swansea and Cardiff it's inevitable.Bring it on i say as I can't stand rugby bods.


Swansea and Cardiff played at St.Helens last night, be lucky if there was over 200 there. When I was a kid, the place would be packed out for a match like that!

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:47 am

football is talked about 365 days a year....

rugby is talked about a couple of weeks during jan, feb and march...

who can remember the exact date wales retained the 6 nations title?


yet the date we got promoted to the prem...........


we sell 6 nations tkts and packages in work and they are always still available up until a few days prior to the fixture.. no body is interested in them..

yet the day we go onsale with the football match breaks, certain fixtures are sold out immediatly...

rugby may well be a national event 5 times a year, but football is by far the most popular, participated and watched sport in wales.

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:35 am

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Rugby died the day they sold all the small local clubs down the river and told the fans to support four franchises. When I was growing up I remember the Ponty boys coming down to Cardiff in mass numbers to watch there team play at the arms park. I was never one for rugby but I used to watch them on occasion for the craic. They've killed it all now, the WRU and there greed.

The recent success of the national team has papered over the cracks, wait until they start failing and shit will hit the fan. They won't blame football though, way too proud for that.

:old:


TOP Post :ayatollah:

Who ever thought in thier tiny little minds any ponty rugby suporter was ever going to whatch cardiff region were mad and its ponty sat at the top of leauge not any of the regions. They will suffer some loss but i suspect the local clubs will lose less than the regions to football

Re: The rugby debate from earlier

Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:37 am

It demise of rugby is all about bloated self importance and interest...

The make of of the regions was logical the names (not important :lol: :lol: ) were ludicrous.

Its too late, I have a friend born and raised in Neath who is a passionate blues supporter because he can't even be connected to Swansea.

Cardiff Ponty on boxing day was often a game I attended if we were not playing..

I fail to see how the extra 1000 fans we are attracting will affect the blues in the short term.