Is another 5 million really due to Sam now?

There's been a lot of talk about Sam being owed another 5 million now that we've been promoted.

I fully accept that there may be a clause in the contract with Langston that says that, but would that clause been enforceable if it was litigated by Sam?

Given that I think its going to be hard for Sam to claim that he was not an integral part of Langston (and he was clearly the main player in CCFC at the time that contract was made), I have my doubts as to whether or not that clause would be deemed reasonable and proportionate, given the circumstances around how it was made, if the case was litigated.

I have no inside knowledge at all around this issue, but it would be very interesting to see what the Court would make of it if Sam decided to litigate - Personally, I think it may not go the way that Sam wanted, but we won't know for certain unless it is litigated.

I personally hope a reasonable compromise is found between Sam and VT and the whole Langston thing can be put to bed once and for all this summer.

There's been a lot of talk about Sam being owed another 5 million now that we've been promoted.

I fully accept that there may be a clause in the contract with Langston that says that, but would that clause been enforceable if it was litigated by Sam?

Given that I think its going to be hard for Sam to claim that he was not an integral part of Langston (and he was clearly the main player in CCFC at the time that contract was made), I have my doubts as to whether or not that clause would be deemed reasonable and proportionate, given the circumstances around how it was made, if the case was litigated.

I have no inside knowledge at all around this issue, but it would be very interesting to see what the Court would make of it if Sam decided to litigate - Personally, I think it may not go the way that Sam wanted, but we won't know for certain unless it is litigated.

I personally hope a reasonable compromise is found between Sam and VT and the whole Langston thing can be put to bed once and for all this summer.

Dai, All I will say is Tan has signed and agreed there would be £5mill owing to Langston if we were promoted before he took control of our club.

Possibly part of the reason why there have been no major negotiations going on over the past few months. Sam waiting to see if we got promoted. Would be silly for him to reach an agreement until he knew whether we were promoted or not.

When money is involved Sam only cares about one thing .....Sam, err I mean Langston.

I bet he was smiling on Tuesday but that it had little to do with his professed "love" for his " family" at Cardiff City!

Dai, All I will say is Tan has signed and agreed there would be £5mill owing to Langston if we were promoted before he took control of our club.

What I personally would like to see would be a sensible agreement made between VT and Sam which would be fair all around - clearly Sam is owed something, but the precise details of what is appropriate may be subject to complex litigation unless a sensible compromise is found.

I would be highly suspicious of such claims of agreements having been signed and being enforceable unless I saw them myself and was able to sit down and analyse the small print very closely - I'm not disputing what you say is true at all (I accept your word on the issue), but the devil is always in the detail in these kind of contractual issues.

I would love to see Sam convert whatever he is ultimately owed to equity, along with all VT's loans being turned to equity

Sam will demand more thsn 5 million on top of us being promoted, way more.

Sam will demand more thsn 5 million on top of us being promoted, way more.

No, you don't get the point being made.

Now that we have been promoted, Sam is entitled to an EXTRA 5 million on top,of what he's already owed.

f**k sam, f**k "his" money

he doesn't have a leg to stand on

Id tell him he's "knocked" later sammy

Sam will demand more thsn 5 million on top of us being promoted, way more.

No, you don't get the point being made.

Now that we have been promoted, Sam is entitled to an EXTRA 5 million on top,of what he's already owed.

I understand we owe him an extra 5 million but there is no doubt he will ask for more imo.

Sam will demand more thsn 5 million on top of us being promoted, way more.

No, you don't get the point being made.

Now that we have been promoted, Sam is entitled to an EXTRA 5 million on top,of what he's already owed.

I understand we owe him an extra 5 million but there is no doubt he will ask for more imo.

Well he can't. It's all in contracts etc.. He can't just name his price.

There's been a lot of talk about Sam being owed another 5 million now that we've been promoted.

I fully accept that there may be a clause in the contract with Langston that says that, but would that clause been enforceable if it was litigated by Sam?

Given that I think its going to be hard for Sam to claim that he was not an integral part of Langston (and he was clearly the main player in CCFC at the time that contract was made), I have my doubts as to whether or not that clause would be deemed reasonable and proportionate, given the circumstances around how it was made, if the case was litigated.

I have no inside knowledge at all around this issue, but it would be very interesting to see what the Court would make of it if Sam decided to litigate - Personally, I think it may not go the way that Sam wanted, but we won't know for certain unless it is litigated.

I personally hope a reasonable compromise is found between Sam and VT and the whole Langston thing can be put to bed once and for all this summer.

When Langston renegotiated the debt from £24m + interest to £15m plus interest and £9m for stadium naming rights it was written into that agreement that the "quid pro quo" for that concession was a one off £5m payment should Cardiff get promoted to the Premier League. In the court case back in 2008 that was accepted by all parties to the agreement.

Although there have been a number of attempts to renegotiate the terms one constant in ALL agreements has been the £5m one off payment if Cardiff won promotion.

No doubt in my mind that after last Tuesday evening the Langston debt increased by £5m.

Sam will demand more thsn 5 million on top of us being promoted, way more.

No, you don't get the point being made.

Now that we have been promoted, Sam is entitled to an EXTRA 5 million on top,of what he's already owed.

I understand we owe him an extra 5 million but there is no doubt he will ask for more imo.

Well he can't. It's all in contracts etc.. He can't just name his price.

Fair enough and I know he can't name a price but just see him asking for a bit more that's all.

There's been a lot of talk about Sam being owed another 5 million now that we've been promoted.

I fully accept that there may be a clause in the contract with Langston that says that, but would that clause been enforceable if it was litigated by Sam?

Given that I think its going to be hard for Sam to claim that he was not an integral part of Langston (and he was clearly the main player in CCFC at the time that contract was made), I have my doubts as to whether or not that clause would be deemed reasonable and proportionate, given the circumstances around how it was made, if the case was litigated.

I have no inside knowledge at all around this issue, but it would be very interesting to see what the Court would make of it if Sam decided to litigate - Personally, I think it may not go the way that Sam wanted, but we won't know for certain unless it is litigated.

I personally hope a reasonable compromise is found between Sam and VT and the whole Langston thing can be put to bed once and for all this summer.

When Langston renegotiated the debt from £24m + interest to £15m plus interest and £9m for stadium naming rights it was written into that agreement that the "quid pro quo" for that concession was a one off £5m payment should Cardiff get promoted to the Premier League. In the court case back in 2008 that was accepted by all parties to the agreement.

Although there have been a number of attempts to renegotiate the terms one constant in ALL agreements has been the £5m one off payment if Cardiff won promotion.

No doubt in my mind that after last Tuesday evening the Langston debt increased by £5m.

As you say the £5m promotion payment has remained a constant thing.

It does make you wonder if VT will really settle the Langston debt. If he is keen to do it, why wait until an extra £5m is owed to Langston? I really think it will go on to 2016 and VT probably won't be here then.

There's been a lot of talk about Sam being owed another 5 million now that we've been promoted.

I fully accept that there may be a clause in the contract with Langston that says that, but would that clause been enforceable if it was litigated by Sam?

Given that I think its going to be hard for Sam to claim that he was not an integral part of Langston (and he was clearly the main player in CCFC at the time that contract was made), I have my doubts as to whether or not that clause would be deemed reasonable and proportionate, given the circumstances around how it was made, if the case was litigated.

I have no inside knowledge at all around this issue, but it would be very interesting to see what the Court would make of it if Sam decided to litigate - Personally, I think it may not go the way that Sam wanted, but we won't know for certain unless it is litigated.

I personally hope a reasonable compromise is found between Sam and VT and the whole Langston thing can be put to bed once and for all this summer.

When Langston renegotiated the debt from £24m + interest to £15m plus interest and £9m for stadium naming rights it was written into that agreement that the "quid pro quo" for that concession was a one off £5m payment should Cardiff get promoted to the Premier League. In the court case back in 2008 that was accepted by all parties to the agreement.

Although there have been a number of attempts to renegotiate the terms one constant in ALL agreements has been the £5m one off payment if Cardiff won promotion.

No doubt in my mind that after last Tuesday evening the Langston debt increased by £5m.

OK Castleblue, that's almost certainly correct and I fully accepted what Annis was saying earlier, and I'm not disputing at all that it's within the contract, but what I was wondering was whether or not it would be deemed a reasonable term of the contract if Sam decided to litigate it.

I haven't read the judgment from the court case a few years ago, so it may be dealt with in detail there, but I suspect it may not be as simple as Sam would like.

There's been a lot of talk about Sam being owed another 5 million now that we've been promoted.

I fully accept that there may be a clause in the contract with Langston that says that, but would that clause been enforceable if it was litigated by Sam?

Given that I think its going to be hard for Sam to claim that he was not an integral part of Langston (and he was clearly the main player in CCFC at the time that contract was made), I have my doubts as to whether or not that clause would be deemed reasonable and proportionate, given the circumstances around how it was made, if the case was litigated.

I have no inside knowledge at all around this issue, but it would be very interesting to see what the Court would make of it if Sam decided to litigate - Personally, I think it may not go the way that Sam wanted, but we won't know for certain unless it is litigated.

I personally hope a reasonable compromise is found between Sam and VT and the whole Langston thing can be put to bed once and for all this summer.

When Langston renegotiated the debt from £24m + interest to £15m plus interest and £9m for stadium naming rights it was written into that agreement that the "quid pro quo" for that concession was a one off £5m payment should Cardiff get promoted to the Premier League. In the court case back in 2008 that was accepted by all parties to the agreement.

Although there have been a number of attempts to renegotiate the terms one constant in ALL agreements has been the £5m one off payment if Cardiff won promotion.

No doubt in my mind that after last Tuesday evening the Langston debt increased by £5m.

OK Castleblue, that's almost certainly correct and I fully accepted what Annis was saying earlier, and I'm not disputing at all that it's within the contract, but what I was wondering was whether or not it would be deemed a reasonable term of the contract if Sam decided to litigate it.

I haven't read the judgment from the court case a few years ago, so it may be dealt with in detail there, but I suspect it may not be as simple as Sam would like.

Dai,
What everyone is forgetting is that, that the Judgements means nothing anymore as a new deal/contract was written between Langston and Peter Ridsdale and was accepted by the Malaysians, through Alan Whitley. 100% Fact.
I am trying to stay out of this as I am still on cloud nine after going to Burnley and this just causes more arguments.
Lets enjoy our promotion and then come the end of the season, very happy to discuss it all.

Dai,
What everyone is forgetting is that, the Judgements mean nothing anymore as a new deal/contract was written between Langston and Peter Ridsdale and was accepted by the Malaysians, through Alan Whitley. 100% Fact.
I am trying to stay out of this as I am still on cloud nine after going to Burnley and this just causes more arguments.
Lets enjoy our promotion and then come the end of the season, very happy to discuss it all.

Yes, I'm with you on that Annis

Perhaps this issue is best left for later - interesting stuff though - Personally, I'd love nothing more than to see both VT and Sam convert all they're both owed to equity and even get more backers in and aim as high as we possibly can - we may even be able to get Sam walking around the pitch again, with VT

Dai,
What everyone is forgetting is that, the Judgements mean nothing anymore as a new deal/contract was written between Langston and Peter Ridsdale and was accepted by the Malaysians, through Alan Whitley. 100% Fact.
I am trying to stay out of this as I am still on cloud nine after going to Burnley and this just causes more arguments.
Lets enjoy our promotion and then come the end of the season, very happy to discuss it all.

Yes, I'm with you on that Annis

Perhaps this issue is best left for later - interesting stuff though - Personally, I'd love nothing more than to see both VT and Sam convert all they're both owed to equity and even get more backers in and aim as high as we possibly can - we may even be able to get Sam walking around the pitch again, with VT

I cant wait till this is finally done ASAP as our Club is what matters.

I cant wait till this is finally done ASAP as our Club is what matters.

agree 100% Annis