Anyone know the fan from the Guardian story..?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... CMP=twt_gu





'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer'
Scott Thomas, who started following Cardiff City during the 1975-76 season, explains why he does not regret walking away from the club last summer – even after promotion


Scott Thomas
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 17 April 2013 16.35 BST

Craig Bellamy celebrates Cardiff City's promotion to the Premier League. Photograph: Michael Steele/Getty Images
In the summer of 2012 Cardiff City changed their colours from blue to red. The owner, Vincent Tan, thought the club would thrive on the field and in the Asian market if they played in red and wore a dragon on their shirt.

Some fans were pragmatic enough to accept the changes. They have gone on to enjoy the uptake in the team's form that culminated in Cardiff City's promotion to the Premier League on Tuesday night. Other supporters, such as Scott Thomas, thought the bargain was not worth it. After 30 years of following the club, Thomas walked away from Cardiff City last summer. Here he explains his decision.

"I don't watch Cardiff City games any more but, when I saw a picture of Craig Bellamy holding a red scarf emblazoned with dragons and the word 'Cardiff' rather than the club's proper name, it didn't hurt as much as I thought it would. It confirmed that I made the right decision. I was surprisingly sanguine about the promotion. Cardiff City didn't go up last night; Cardiff City died last summer.

"Seeing fans celebrate on the pitch during a news bulletin felt like watching the plug being pulled from a life-support machine that has been keeping an old relative alive. It was just another day at the office for club I no longer recognise. They are just another team now, not the one I supported for decades.

"I never dreamed that Cardiff City would make it to the top flight and I wouldn't be there to see it. But the club I supported disappeared when a Malaysian businessman with no previous links to the city and no interest in its football took over Cardiff City and made it literally unrecognisable. The club I followed had history and traditions that went back 100 years, but now its future is subject to the whims of a single man.

"I began supporting the club when my uncle and cousin took me to a match against Sheffield Wednesday in the 1975-76 season. I followed them to over 60 grounds in the fourth, third and second tiers with 25 friends I picked up over the years. I'm proud to say only a few of those guys renewed their season tickets for this season and some of them will not be renewing for next year.

"It was big decision to walk away. Every fan has their own tipping point, but I knew immediately that I couldn't support a franchise. I wouldn't support a business like Tesco or Sainsbury's, and that's what Cardiff City have become. The club is no longer a community asset; it's just a football team that happens to play in the city. Cardiff City are one step away from MK Dons.

"Many supporters stayed and many more will join now – people love a bandwagon – but a lot of the old-timers go less regularly and with less passion. More would have left, but a perfect storm of circumstances whipped fans into a demented reaction. They were desperate for success after so many near-misses and couldn't bear to see Swansea City do so well up the road.

"I hate to admit it – old habits die hard – but Swansea City are a model club in many ways. Fan ownership has to be the way forward, but the Football Association aren't going protect the historical identity of clubs. The FA are just a booking agent for Wembley Stadium these days, as shown by the announcement of a 5.15pm kick-off time for this year's Cup final.

"Even the national team are inferior to Premier League clubs now. Owners with money – or the promise of money – can do as they please. The FA didn't prevent Newcastle from rebranding their stadium and they didn't save Wimbledon, so they weren't going to save Cardiff City. We have listed buildings in this country, but football clubs are a free for all.

"I could never support another club, but I've enjoyed watching other teams and other sports. I went to Wales's game in Scotland at Hampden last month, then to the Six Nations at Murrayfield and then to see Rangers play a few days later. Going to the Olympics and Paralympics, as well as rugby and boxing has been refreshing. On balance, it's better to be away from the venal, soul-destroying situation at Cardiff City."

Scott Thomas was speaking to Paul Campbell

Either a made up story or a sad fucker, be honest who cares?

Either a made up story or a sad fucker, be honest who cares?

Well Borley cares because hes been arguing about it on twitter tonight!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/17/cardiff-city-promoted-died-last-summer?CMP=twt_gu

He probably spends more time in Tesco or Sainsbury's on a saturday afternoon now whilst i'm enjoying watching my team play

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
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Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
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TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep2h
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

A very dubious story!

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... rt=0&rid=0

Interesting link from the other board surronding this article.

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
View summary


Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
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TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep2h
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

What exactlly has he said that is bad?

What a suprise that people like your a rearing their heads now that we have gotten promoted. Who gives a f**k about that bloke he doesnt count himself a fan anymore so be it got not interest in him. I respect fans who have walked away and kept to themselves than the idiots who keep spouting off trying to ruin the party for everyone else

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Tara

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
View summary


Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
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TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep2h
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

What exactlly has he said that is bad?

Did I say that he has said 'anything bad' as you say it..?

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
View summary


Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
Expand


TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep2h
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

What exactlly has he said that is bad?

Did I say that he has said 'anything bad' as you say it..?

Its what you normally imply

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
View summary


Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
Expand


TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep2h
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

What exactlly has he said that is bad?

Did I say that he has said 'anything bad' as you say it..?

Its what you normally imply

ahh right so you are on your soap box jumping to conculsions again then!!!!

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
View summary


Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
Expand


TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep2h
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

What exactlly has he said that is bad?

Did I say that he has said 'anything bad' as you say it..?

Its what you normally imply

ahh right so you are on your soap box jumping to conculsions again then!!!!

Yup

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
View summary


Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
Expand


TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep2h
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

What exactlly has he said that is bad?

Did I say that he has said 'anything bad' as you say it..?

Its what you normally imply

ahh right so you are on your soap box jumping to conculsions again then!!!!

Yup

Its people like you which give me a bad name on here!!!

Shit story . Shit paper .

Shit story . Shit paper .

That maybe the case but its a story nevertheless.

One that's not worthy of a newspaper. So some fan isn't a fan anymore whoopdeedooo.

Even you don't seek that much attension

One that's not worthy of a newspaper. So some fan isn't a fan anymore whoopdeedooo.

Even you don't seek that much attension

If you read the link to the other board you will see that there's an interesting question surrounding this and they are asking if peoples views on the rebrand can be linked to class.

"It was big decision to walk away. Every fan has their own tipping point, but I knew immediately that I couldn't support a franchise. I wouldn't support a business like Tesco or Sainsbury's, and that's what Cardiff City have become. The club is no longer a community asset; it's just a football team that happens to play in the city. Cardiff City are one step away from MK Dons.

Not a community asset?

Family club of the year for 2 years running. He just bitter and gutted that he missed a great day.

Even the journalist has ruined him.

Some fans were pragmatic enough to accept the changes.

Pragmatic means to take a realistic approach implying those who accepted the rebrand and just got on with things are the realists in this situation and those opposing and walking away are living in cloud cuckoo land.

One that's not worthy of a newspaper. So some fan isn't a fan anymore whoopdeedooo.

Even you don't seek that much attension

If you read the link to the other board you will see that there's an interesting question surrounding this and they are asking if peoples views on the rebrand can be linked to class.

Football isn't about class, that's why it's the biggest most sucssesful sport in the world.

There's two types of people against the rebrand real fans who love Cardiff city that still go to every and support the team what ever they wear.

Then there is the people who don't go anymore because they are attention seekers who never really loved the club like they said they do.

The final whistle last night was magic did anybody give a f**k about colour of class did they f**k.

One that's not worthy of a newspaper. So some fan isn't a fan anymore whoopdeedooo.

Even you don't seek that much attension

If you read the link to the other board you will see that there's an interesting question surrounding this and they are asking if peoples views on the rebrand can be linked to class.

Football isn't about class, that's why it's the biggest most sucssesful sport in the world.

There's two types of people against the rebrand real fans who love Cardiff city that still go to every and support the team what ever they wear.

Then there is the people who don't go anymore because they are attention seekers who never really loved the club like they said they do.

The final whistle last night was magic did anybody give a f**k about colour of class did they f**k.

Football isn't about class..? It was a working class sport in the first place and IMO after Euro'96 the sport has tried to become a middle class sport and the rising costs of 'going to the football' must support that. To say football isn't about class is complete nonsense

One that's not worthy of a newspaper. So some fan isn't a fan anymore whoopdeedooo.

Even you don't seek that much attension

If you read the link to the other board you will see that there's an interesting question surrounding this and they are asking if peoples views on the rebrand can be linked to class.

Football isn't about class, that's why it's the biggest most sucssesful sport in the world.

There's two types of people against the rebrand real fans who love Cardiff city that still go to every and support the team what ever they wear.

Then there is the people who don't go anymore because they are attention seekers who never really loved the club like they said they do.

The final whistle last night was magic did anybody give a f**k about colour of class did they f**k.

Spot on

One that's not worthy of a newspaper. So some fan isn't a fan anymore whoopdeedooo.

Even you don't seek that much attension

If you read the link to the other board you will see that there's an interesting question surrounding this and they are asking if peoples views on the rebrand can be linked to class.

Football isn't about class, that's why it's the biggest most sucssesful sport in the world.

There's two types of people against the rebrand real fans who love Cardiff city that still go to every and support the team what ever they wear.

Then there is the people who don't go anymore because they are attention seekers who never really loved the club like they said they do.

The final whistle last night was magic did anybody give a f**k about colour of class did they f**k.

Football isn't about class..? It was a working class sport in the first place and IMO after Euro'96 the sport has tried to become a middle class sport and the rising costs of 'going to the football' must support that. To say football isn't about class is complete nonsense

Football isn't about class.

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Even a report by the Football Foundation states 'A report published today by the Football Foundation has found that clubs no longer draw their support from the poor and deprived areas near to their stadiums, instead relying on more affluent supporters from the suburbs.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... touchwithi

another interesting read from the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17213383

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
View summary


Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
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TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

What exactlly has he said that is bad?

Did I say that he has said 'anything bad' as you say it..?

Yes. You said "great use of language in public by the director of the club".

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
View summary


Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
Expand


TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

What exactlly has he said that is bad?

Did I say that he has said 'anything bad' as you say it..?

Yes. You said "great use of language in public by the director of the club".

Well it is!!!! I loved the fact that he told the Guardian 'what a load of crap!!!!' Well done Borley!!!

If you read the link to the other board you will see that there's an interesting question surrounding this and they are asking if peoples views on the rebrand can be linked to class.

What a laugh, us working class Valley boys we may be un-educated but we have more common sense.

Go red and take the nice mans 100mil or stay blue and perish.. Let’s see..It’s a no brainer

Great use of language in public by a director of the club


Guardian sport‏@guardian_sport7h
A former fan's view: 'Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer' http://gu.com/p/3f7q8/tw
View summary


Steve borley‏@SteveCMB2h
@guardian_sport what a load of cr@p. English press bashing welsh sport time to grow up. 25000 celebrate one sour grape
Expand


TruthTeller‏@TruthTellerMeep2h
@SteveCMB @guardian_sport Guardian failed to report Scott Thomas said he'd follow AFC Wimbledon instead. Real fans don't change clubs.

that must be up there with former politicians having criminal records and being proven a liar in the British press.