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Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:17 pm
Die Walkure wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Some people still believe the earth is flat mind, as well
Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:22 pm
All Black Everything. wrote:0.31% of season ticket holders give their season tickets back because of the change according to the figures presented.
Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:25 pm
Sven Ghali wrote:Die Walkure wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Some people still believe the earth is flat mind, as well
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:25 pm
Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:28 pm
Die Walkure wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Die Walkure wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
^^^^^^^^^^^^^Some people still believe the earth is flat mind, as well
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I think that's what some of the anti VT fans would be doing in wanting VT to leave - thankfully, that is not representative of our fan base as a whole.![]()
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:30 pm
2blue2handle wrote:A good read.
I find it encouraging MM talks directly to VT
Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:08 pm
Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:18 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
Tan would walk away.....can you show me besides this article where Tan has quoted that?
Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:37 pm
Die Walkure wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
Tan would walk away.....can you show me besides this article where Tan has quoted that?
It's a fairly accurate summary of what was said in TG's statement after the initial turn back to blue in May last year. If you recall the statement said that they would look for other investors, and we all know they wouldn't have been found.
VT wasn't then going to subsidise us by a million a month out of the generosity of his feelings after we'd just stopped him following his plan through. The tone of that statement made it obvious that he was not going to invest anymore in us, and that would in reality have caused us to be liquidated within months.
Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:18 pm
Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:14 am
Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
Tan would walk away.....can you show me besides this article where Tan has quoted that?
) and I can reverse the question by simply asking "Do you have any concrete evidence he would NOT have walked away if our fans had shown such a disrespect (in his eyes) towards what he was/is trying to do?" Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:45 am
Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:19 am
Sven Ghali wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:Just goes to show who and what we are and have been dealing with on our rise to te top of The Championship. We have Malky in charge of all things football and an ambitious owner who simply wants to succeed. To date, both have delivered on their promises and both should be saluted for putting us where we are![]()
A telling statement from Malky sums it up for me (quote): “But he (Vincent Tan) came out and said: ‘We need this change to help investment from Asia. If I do it, I’ll invest in the team, I’ll build a training ground, put another tier on the stadium and deal with £20m of debt– OR you can have your club and I’ll walk away.’ It was a no-brainer. We had 19,000 season ticket holders – 60 gave their book back.”
And some still think we had a choice
Tan would walk away.....can you show me besides this article where Tan has quoted that?
With all due respect, you are clutching at straws if this is your best reply (you are usually better than this) and I can reverse the question by simply asking "Do you have any concrete evidence he would NOT have walked away if our fans had shown such a disrespect (in his eyes) towards what he was/is trying to do?"
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Vincent Tan has put his money where his mouth is and we have reaped the dividends of that, i.e. a financially secure base from which we have taken the Championship by storm with a manager who has the resepct of owner, fans and (particularly) players![]()
I fail to see what more you (and others) could have expected from anyone involved with the club in the last year or two and if changing the shirt colour to red to suit the money markets he is targeting is such a haenous crime then I suggest some people must have little else in life to worry about
Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:10 am
Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:18 am
Bakedalasker wrote:OK what proof is that that he would have not walked away. First of all he said he would find other investors. That would not happen overnight, infact there was quite a bit of work needed to get any interest such as sorting out Sam and getting to the premier. Secondly his last statement saying that if we were rude to him he would go but leave us in a good state. Those statements are not of a man who would just drop us in it. Come to think of it I'm giving him more of a good character refererence than you red or dead brigade.
Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:32 am
Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:34 am
evanmorgan wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:OK what proof is that that he would have not walked away. First of all he said he would find other investors. That would not happen overnight, infact there was quite a bit of work needed to get any interest such as sorting out Sam and getting to the premier. Secondly his last statement saying that if we were rude to him he would go but leave us in a good state. Those statements are not of a man who would just drop us in it. Come to think of it I'm giving him more of a good character refererence than you red or dead brigade.
He would have stopped pumping money in to keep us afloat. There were two directions for us to achieve the dream of a club with a manageable debt situation (I won't say debt-free just yet). (a) is Premier League money and trying to tap foreign revenue sources, (b) is to cut costs to match turnover. VT effectively said we can do (a) in red or (b) in blue. I have no idea if (b) was even possible but (a) is looking plausible now. We were losing over a million a month and our wage bill was probably between 15 and 20 million at that point. So to do it in wages alone would mean getting rid of >2/3rds of the squad and replacing them with players on pittence - my view is, then relegation would have been quite likely I guess. We would then have been a smaller club with debt at 7% to VT and still a massive debt to Sam
Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:43 am
Bakedalasker wrote:evanmorgan wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:OK what proof is that that he would have not walked away. First of all he said he would find other investors. That would not happen overnight, infact there was quite a bit of work needed to get any interest such as sorting out Sam and getting to the premier. Secondly his last statement saying that if we were rude to him he would go but leave us in a good state. Those statements are not of a man who would just drop us in it. Come to think of it I'm giving him more of a good character refererence than you red or dead brigade.
He would have stopped pumping money in to keep us afloat. There were two directions for us to achieve the dream of a club with a manageable debt situation (I won't say debt-free just yet). (a) is Premier League money and trying to tap foreign revenue sources, (b) is to cut costs to match turnover. VT effectively said we can do (a) in red or (b) in blue. I have no idea if (b) was even possible but (a) is looking plausible now. We were losing over a million a month and our wage bill was probably between 15 and 20 million at that point. So to do it in wages alone would mean getting rid of >2/3rds of the squad and replacing them with players on pittence - my view is, then relegation would have been quite likely I guess. We would then have been a smaller club with debt at 7% to VT and still a massive debt to Sam
I'm getting exhausted trying to explain why I believe Tan would have not stopped pumping money into the club. He has just said he would leave us in a good position. He also said in the pass he would look for new investors. How do you think he is going to achieve this without still investing?
Loss of face out in the Far East is a cross not worth bearing.
Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:01 am
evanmorgan wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:evanmorgan wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:OK what proof is that that he would have not walked away. First of all he said he would find other investors. That would not happen overnight, infact there was quite a bit of work needed to get any interest such as sorting out Sam and getting to the premier. Secondly his last statement saying that if we were rude to him he would go but leave us in a good state. Those statements are not of a man who would just drop us in it. Come to think of it I'm giving him more of a good character refererence than you red or dead brigade.
He would have stopped pumping money in to keep us afloat. There were two directions for us to achieve the dream of a club with a manageable debt situation (I won't say debt-free just yet). (a) is Premier League money and trying to tap foreign revenue sources, (b) is to cut costs to match turnover. VT effectively said we can do (a) in red or (b) in blue. I have no idea if (b) was even possible but (a) is looking plausible now. We were losing over a million a month and our wage bill was probably between 15 and 20 million at that point. So to do it in wages alone would mean getting rid of >2/3rds of the squad and replacing them with players on pittence - my view is, then relegation would have been quite likely I guess. We would then have been a smaller club with debt at 7% to VT and still a massive debt to Sam
I'm getting exhausted trying to explain why I believe Tan would have not stopped pumping money into the club. He has just said he would leave us in a good position. He also said in the pass he would look for new investors. How do you think he is going to achieve this without still investing?
Loss of face out in the Far East is a cross not worth bearing.
I guess we just see the situation differently then. I haven't read the statement since it was issued but I don't think anything was mentioned in it about finding new investment, that came a lot later in the infamous 'trousers up to his chin' interview.
Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:48 am
englishbluebird wrote:Great read that
I just hope Tan doesnt deem malky and his staff surplus to requirements and go for a big named manager after the hard work has been done.
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