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Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:46 pm

Coventry have been deducted 10 points by the football league this afternoon!

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:55 pm

CalShepCCFC wrote:Coventry have been deducted 10 points by the football league this afternoon!


Will just make a bad situation worse for them , the football league should be helping them not making it worse :(
Sad to see a club like them in this much trouble

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:00 pm

i thought it was the people who owned the stadium went into administration, not the clubs owners, so why have ccfc been deducted points?

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:08 pm

Coventry City have been deducted 10 points after the Football League ruled the League One club is in administration.

Confirmation of the penalty marks the end of uncertainty over the club's status and leaves City 15 points off the play-offs with just six games to play.

Coventry placed a subsidiary company of the club in administration last week and claimed the football business would continue to operate as normal.

But Arena Company Ltd, who manage the Ricoh Arena and say £1.3m is owed in unpaid rent, told the High Court this week they believed the company placed in administration held the 'golden share' which carries with it Football League membership.

And the League has now sided with ACL and imposed the statutory points penalty.

A statement read: "The Football League can confirm that Coventry City Football Club have been deducted 10 points, in accordance with its rules and regulations.

"This Sporting Sanction has been implemented with immediate effect. Coventry City have seven days in which to appeal.

"The League has now begun discussions with the administrator aimed at achieving a sustainable future for the club within The Football League."

The dispute with ACL will not prevent Coventry completing this season's home fixtures at the Ricoh Arena.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:12 pm

CalShepCCFC wrote:i thought it was the people who owned the stadium went into administration, not the clubs owners, so why have ccfc been deducted points?


The Ricoh Arena is jointly owned by Coventry City Council and the Alan Edward Higgs Charity. Coventry City Football Club are only tenants and as they haven't been paying the agreed rent the Company thats runs the stadium, Arena Coventry Ltd, have taken Coventry City FC to court seeking a winding up order.

Point deductions are only in line with Football League rules and it is sad for any club, but more so the fans who can't do anything about it.

Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:29 pm

Anyone disagree that without our Malaysian backers we would have been in exactly the same position (or perhaps worse!)

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:51 pm

Feel sorry for the fan's they have no control over the club.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:50 pm

A good mate of mine is a Coventry fan, and has been predicting this for a while. I know that its business, but find it very difficult to believe that the city council is being so unhelpful. Surely a professinal league club is good for any city. Whatever we think of the JBs, at least their council looks after them, to say the least :? So should Coventry's. Mind you, the Lib Dem/Welsh Nat council did not do much to help our new stadium. Remember those letters from Sam urging us to support Russell Goodway's Labour council? :ayatollah:

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:51 pm

Praise the lord for VT :ayatollah:

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:57 pm

I Bleed Blue wrote:Praise the lord for VT :ayatollah:


:ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:07 pm

A Coventry fan on ssn said Ricoh stands for relegation is coventrys only hope!

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:34 pm

castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Has to be the quote of the year :lol: Absolute classic.

On a serious note it is a real shame that another CCFC might go bust (Chester City being the other). It just goes to show that bills have to be paid or heritage and history can be wiped out by winding up courts and not just a change in playing kit colour.

Hopefully for Coventry fans they will bounce back as did other ex-Premiership clubs such as Manchester City, Southampton and Norwich who all had a fling with League One before returning to the Premiership.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:11 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Has to be the quote of the year :lol: Absolute classic.

On a serious note it is a real shame that another CCFC might go bust (Chester City being the other). It just goes to show that bills have to be paid or heritage and history can be wiped out by winding up courts and not just a change in playing kit colour.

Hopefully for Coventry fans they will bounce back as did other ex-Premiership clubs such as Manchester City, Southampton and Norwich who all had a fling with League One before returning to the Premiership.


All with their identity and heritage intact.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:23 pm

Afraid to say it but can see Coventry going bust. They haven't no chance of repaying their £1.5 million a season rent now or for the foreseeable future. They should have never moved from highfield road as their capacity of 23,000 was big enough for them, such a silly move and now they are paying the price.

Really sad as I hate to see any club in this situation ( Palace excluded)

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:32 pm

castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:34 pm

NJ73 wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.


Coventry pay £1.2 million a season. The Jacks have a peppercorn rent where they only pay rent on attendances above 16,000 I believe.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:38 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.


Coventry pay £1.2 million a season. The Jacks have a peppercorn rent where they only pay rent on attendances above 16,000 I believe.


Even assuming that is true, which it clearly isn't, should we be taken to court on that basis then? How about the Ospreys?

How much did CCFC pay Cardiff Council for the land that the stadium and house of sport is on?

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:41 pm

NJ73 wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.



So if you get relegated and the same thing happens again to you like the 80's drop like a stone threw the leagues then shouldn't you be worried as you don't own your own ground?

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:43 pm

Laugh at the Heritage and Identity intact.


Mark.... Wide....

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:46 pm

Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.



So if you get relegated and the same thing happens again to you like the 80's drop like a stone threw the leagues then shouldn't you be worried as you don't own your own ground?


No because the club is run on a sustainable basis and we don't spend any more than we bring in. All player contracts include clauses where their wages are reduced substantially in the event of relegation.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:48 pm

Brighton & hove Albion wrote:Afraid to say it but can see Coventry going bust. They haven't no chance of repaying their £1.5 million a season rent now or for the foreseeable future. They should have never moved from highfield road as their capacity of 23,000 was big enough for them, such a silly move and now they are paying the price.

Really sad as I hate to see any club in this situation ( Palace excluded)


You would miss palace if they went bust :lol: I know we'd grudgingly miss Swansea.


I predicted a lot more admins and liquidations last year though when a Watford fan was talking about their takeover.

Fully expect enough professional clubs to go bust to make up a two tier premier league in the next ten years.

Pompey and Coventry may be the first two, tbh not too bothered about Pompey going but Coventry would be sad.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:49 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.


Coventry pay £1.2 million a season. The Jacks have a peppercorn rent where they only pay rent on attendances above 16,000 I believe.


Even assuming that is true, which it clearly isn't, should we be taken to court on that basis then? How about the Ospreys?

How much did CCFC pay Cardiff Council for the land that the stadium and house of sport is on?


So what is it then?

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:51 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.


Coventry pay £1.2 million a season. The Jacks have a peppercorn rent where they only pay rent on attendances above 16,000 I believe.


Even assuming that is true, which it clearly isn't, should we be taken to court on that basis then? How about the Ospreys?

How much did CCFC pay Cardiff Council for the land that the stadium and house of sport is on?


So what is it then?


Last year we paid the stadium management company £590,000.

You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:54 pm

NJ73 wrote:
You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.


No idea.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:55 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.



So if you get relegated and the same thing happens again to you like the 80's drop like a stone threw the leagues then shouldn't you be worried as you don't own your own ground?


No because the club is run on a sustainable basis and we don't spend any more than we bring in. All player contracts include clauses where their wages are reduced substantially in the event of relegation.


A very sensible approach and seems a well run club unlike others. That's what our club are doing and always will do. QPR will do a Portsmouth if they are relegated and am glad, clubs shouldn't live beyond their means and should be punished if they do as it's not fair on the ones that do.

How can QPR pay outrageous salarys on 18,000 gates? Mind boggling.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:57 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.


No idea.


Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:59 pm

Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.



So if you get relegated and the same thing happens again to you like the 80's drop like a stone threw the leagues then shouldn't you be worried as you don't own your own ground?


No because the club is run on a sustainable basis and we don't spend any more than we bring in. All player contracts include clauses where their wages are reduced substantially in the event of relegation.


A very sensible approach and seems a well run club unlike others. That's what our club are doing and always will do. QPR will do a Portsmouth if they are relegated and am glad, clubs shouldn't live beyond their means and should be punished if they do as it's not fair on the ones that do.

How can QPR pay outrageous salarys on 18,000 gates? Mind boggling.


I couldn't agree more.

Even with the riches of the Premier League there are not many clubs that break even. In our first season up we made a profit of £14m.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:21 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
Brighton & hove Albion wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
castleblue wrote:Does beg the question that if Coventry City Council, as landlords, are prepared to take their local football club to the High Court for non payment of rent then why as Swansea City Council doing nothing about the squatters in the Liberty Stadium.


Hmmmmmmm.



:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Because we pay everything we are contractually obliged to. In fact, the stadium management company made a profit last year.



So if you get relegated and the same thing happens again to you like the 80's drop like a stone threw the leagues then shouldn't you be worried as you don't own your own ground?


No because the club is run on a sustainable basis and we don't spend any more than we bring in. All player contracts include clauses where their wages are reduced substantially in the event of relegation.


A very sensible approach and seems a well run club unlike others. That's what our club are doing and always will do. QPR will do a Portsmouth if they are relegated and am glad, clubs shouldn't live beyond their means and should be punished if they do as it's not fair on the ones that do.

How can QPR pay outrageous salarys on 18,000 gates? Mind boggling.


I couldn't agree more.

Even with the riches of the Premier League there are not many clubs that break even. In our first season up we made a profit of £14m.


Fair play, £14 million profit is bloody good. The teams in the prem seem to recall losses each year, Everton etc and the only reseon they do is because they mustn't get relegated at any cost but we all know the they are avoiding the truth that sooner or later it's their turn for relegation.

Take Fullham and Wigan for prime examples. If either get relegated then they are fucked, once down then they'll never return just like Bolton, Wolves ( Maybe) and more so Blackburn, 12,000 gates? They will be in division 2 before you can blink and will be banished to the wilderness.

QPR, Reading will follow. They are punching above their weight.

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:01 pm

NJ73 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
NJ73 wrote:
You didn't answer my question about how much CCFC paid Cardiff Council for the land the stadium and the house of sport is on.


No idea.


Convenient.

The point being you sit there and criticise us for having a good relationship with the council despite the fact we pay everything we are obliged to, while Cardiff Council gifted you land that was worth many millions of pounds (as proven by the sale of the land for the House of Sport), to the detriment of the Cardiff Council tax payer.

Hypocrisy to say the least.


It seems Bakedalasker has decided to bow out at this point :o :laughing6:

Re: Coventry Deduction

Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:01 pm

Former Coventry boss Bobby Gould is unable to hide his anger at the mess the club finds itself in.

Gould managed the team in the Premier League but the Sky Blues are now in League One and have been deducted 10 points after going into administration - a situation he finds incredible.

"It's very emotional for someone like myself who was born in Coventry and grown up in Coventry," Gould told Sky Sports News Radio.

"What have they been doing? I left there in 1994 (actually October '93). We were £3m in debt then. I was going to sell Phil Babb to Liverpool and we would have cleared the debt. Cleared the debt!

"What has happened to a football club like this to be in £60m debt?! I just can't relate to that.

"I find that difficult to accept as a football person. Who has mismanaged the club to get to this state?"