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should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:51 pm

yes or no + why ?

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:07 pm

No. Because drugs destroy families and communities.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:21 pm

Moff. wrote:yes or no + why ?


No..Because this government would slap a tax on drugs..

I like my drugs tax free, thank you very much. 8-)

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:23 pm

Bluetwin wrote:No. Because drugs destroy families and communities.

on the other hand.. it destroys them because drugs are socially frowned upon, if legalized people might not see the thrill in them. imo there is no difference between a gram of ket and a 24 crate of bow

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:27 pm

wkdblue wrote:
Moff. wrote:yes or no + why ?


No..Because this government would slap a tax on drugs..

I like my drugs tax free, thank you very much. 8-)

;) :D

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:33 pm

wkdblue wrote:
Moff. wrote:yes or no + why ?


No..Because this government would slap a tax on drugs..

I like my drugs tax free, thank you very much. 8-)


:lol:

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:37 pm

wkdblue wrote:
Moff. wrote:yes or no + why ?


No..Because this government would slap a tax on drugs..

I like my drugs tax free, thank you very much. 8-)


:laughing6:

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:29 pm

If drugs had the reaction alcohol did then every country would legalise them and claim the tax.... BUT they dont have the same reaction and wone be legalised no matter how hard people try. They should carry a stricter penatly and a penalty that should be followed through always by Police Policy makers and CPS.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:45 pm

Ramstein blue wrote:If drugs had the reaction alcohol did then every country would legalise them and claim the tax.... BUT they dont have the same reaction and wone be legalised no matter how hard people try. They should carry a stricter penatly and a penalty that should be followed through always by Police Policy makers and CPS.



Killjoy.. :(

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:54 pm

Weed Yes, other drugs no, but my problem would be the amount of tax they'd stick on it, just have to look at fags to get an idea. There's also other things it could be used for as well, not just a smoke.
Do you think, that if they legalised it, it would make it more difficult for dealers to push harder drugs onto people?

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:56 pm

weed is for loser's with no life or ambition

sad individuals

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:57 pm

Nothing wrong with a little bit of weed. Just as long as you're sensible. A lot like alcohol and fags really

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:21 pm

I think better management and control of drugs is needed. Some should be legalised. Weed is a lot less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes. I wouldn't want to see all drugs legalised. I think things would really go to shit if heroin and crack was so readily available. Saying that, even now if you want it, it's easy to get.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:26 pm

Prohibition ruins families and communities not drugs. I run a successful business, I employ
People and I pay more than my fair share of tax. I contribute to my kids school and run errands for my elderly neighbour who lives alone.

After work I like to use cannabis. It relaxes me, gives me focus and perspective and helps me reflect on who I am.

Why the f**k then should I be criminalised? I harm no one and because I only eat it or use a vaporiser, my health is getting a minimal impact. I would much prefer to buy my weed from a quality local grower that pays tax and contributes to society as a result.

But because the government don't want me to pay tax on it and I am forced into the black market. There I come into contact with heroin, crack and other nasties and some horrible individuals too.

In Colarado and Washington state in the US, they have just fully legalised cannabis for recreational use. The first $40m dollars raised by this new tax revenue is going to be spent on schools in Wahington state. I think that's an inspiring model for society.

In the UK and most of the western world drugs are now more freely available, cheaper and in many cases of a worse/more dangerous quality than ever before.... That's what years of prohibition has achieved. Causing hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths. It is tearing Latin America apart as drug lords slaughter without a care in the quest to make even more money.

Medicalise drugs, not criminalise them. Legalise the lot. Make highly adictive substances like tobacco, heroin and crack only available through GPs on free prescription. You would stop virtually all crime overnight. An average heroin addict is said to have to obtain £2-400 a day to feed the habit which usually is obtained dishonestly.

Then instead of people and kids dying from overdoses and dirty gear they are straight away in front of a medical system that can council, treat and control supply. Isn't that better than a criminal system which punishes, stigmatises and fuels massive black market earning trillions of quid each year?

Within a generation you will have hugely cut the hard drug using population and been able to talk rationally about and accept societies use of psychoactive substances for whatever reason (and we've taken mild altering substances since we've been on the planet).

Don't listen to all the bullshit government propoganda. Educate yourselves. Not that it will make a difference, no UK government will ever have the bollocks to take a morally responsible approach and so crime misery and addiction will continue.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:43 pm

One of the main reasons not to use drugs is because of the misery that it causes at the production end, I guess that would change with legalisation. However you only have to look at how alcohol is (mis)treated by the masses (inc me sometimes) to realise that it wouldn't be a good idea to legalise Class A's

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:46 pm

RobbieS wrote:Prohibition ruins families and communities not drugs. I run a successful business, I employ
People and I pay more than my fair share of tax. I contribute to my kids school and run errands for my elderly neighbour who lives alone.

After work I like to use cannabis. It relaxes me, gives me focus and perspective and helps me reflect on who I am.

Why the f**k then should I be criminalised? I harm no one and because I only eat it or use a vaporiser, my health is getting a minimal impact. I would much prefer to buy my weed from a quality local grower that pays tax and contributes to society as a result.

But because the government don't want me to pay tax on it and I am forced into the black market. There I come into contact with heroin, crack and other nasties and some horrible individuals too.

In Colarado and Washington state in the US, they have just fully legalised cannabis for recreational use. The first $40m dollars raised by this new tax revenue is going to be spent on schools in Wahington state. I think that's an inspiring model for society.

In the UK and most of the western world drugs are now more freely available, cheaper and in many cases of a worse/more dangerous quality than ever before.... That's what years of prohibition has achieved. Causing hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths. It is tearing Latin America apart as drug lords slaughter without a care in the quest to make even more money.

Medicalise drugs, not criminalise them. Legalise the lot. Make highly adictive substances like tobacco, heroin and crack only available through GPs on free prescription. You would stop virtually all crime overnight. An average heroin addict is said to have to obtain £2-400 a day to feed the habit which usually is obtained dishonestly.

Then instead of people and kids dying from overdoses and dirty gear they are straight away in front of a medical system that can council, treat and control supply. Isn't that better than a criminal system which punishes, stigmatises and fuels massive black market earning trillions of quid each year?

Within a generation you will have hugely cut the hard drug using population and been able to talk rationally about and accept societies use of psychoactive substances for whatever reason (and we've taken mild altering substances since we've been on the planet).

Don't listen to all the bullshit government propoganda. Educate yourselves. Not that it will make a difference, no UK government will ever have the bollocks to take a morally responsible approach and so crime misery and addiction will continue.


You are assuming that the average joe is smart enough to cope with this sort of world, my guess is that it would go massively tits up.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:51 pm

Moff. wrote:yes or no + why ?

Yes but only to watch Cardiff City play their last 9 games of this season :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:00 pm

The average joe can already obtain anything anywhere and take it without really knowing what's in it. It has already gone tits up or haven't you noticed?

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:03 pm

RobbieS wrote:Prohibition ruins families and communities not drugs. I run a successful business, I employ
People and I pay more than my fair share of tax. I contribute to my kids school and run errands for my elderly neighbour who lives alone.

After work I like to use cannabis. It relaxes me, gives me focus and perspective and helps me reflect on who I am.

Why the f**k then should I be criminalised? I harm no one and because I only eat it or use a vaporiser, my health is getting a minimal impact. I would much prefer to buy my weed from a quality local grower that pays tax and contributes to society as a result.

But because the government don't want me to pay tax on it and I am forced into the black market. There I come into contact with heroin, crack and other nasties and some horrible individuals too.

In Colarado and Washington state in the US, they have just fully legalised cannabis for recreational use. The first $40m dollars raised by this new tax revenue is going to be spent on schools in Wahington state. I think that's an inspiring model for society.

In the UK and most of the western world drugs are now more freely available, cheaper and in many cases of a worse/more dangerous quality than ever before.... That's what years of prohibition has achieved. Causing hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths. It is tearing Latin America apart as drug lords slaughter without a care in the quest to make even more money.

Medicalise drugs, not criminalise them. Legalise the lot. Make highly adictive substances like tobacco, heroin and crack only available through GPs on free prescription. You would stop virtually all crime overnight. An average heroin addict is said to have to obtain £2-400 a day to feed the habit which usually is obtained dishonestly.

Then instead of people and kids dying from overdoses and dirty gear they are straight away in front of a medical system that can council, treat and control supply. Isn't that better than a criminal system which punishes, stigmatises and fuels massive black market earning trillions of quid each year?

Within a generation you will have hugely cut the hard drug using population and been able to talk rationally about and accept societies use of psychoactive substances for whatever reason (and we've taken mild altering substances since we've been on the planet).

Don't listen to all the bullshit government propoganda. Educate yourselves. Not that it will make a difference, no UK government will ever have the bollocks to take a morally responsible approach and so crime misery and addiction will continue.


Nice Rant, but not very convincing. Why should GP's and the health service have to foot the bill for drug abusers with free prescriptions and their valuable time.

And it would not stop crime. It would not stop addiction. People would always get addicted and would always need money they haven't got to pay for drugs even from a legal source or do you propose that tax payers fund people's drugs habits for free.

As for people and kids dying its their own fault for putting junk in their arm in the first place.

And next time you go out to buy your weed from those nasty dealers maybe you should think "what am I" not "who am I"

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:05 pm

Bluetwin wrote:No. Because drugs destroy families and communities.


Agreed.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:28 pm

Ben wrote:weed is for loser's with no life or ambition

sad individuals



Hell just froze over. I agree with Ben! ;) :ayatollah:

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:32 pm

Bluetwin wrote:


Nice Rant, but not very convincing. Why should GP's and the health service have to foot the bill for drug abusers with free prescriptions and their valuable time.

And it would not stop crime. It would not stop addiction. People would always get addicted and would always need money they haven't got to pay for drugs even from a legal source or do you propose that tax payers fund people's drugs habits for free.

As for people and kids dying its their own fault for putting junk in their arm in the first place.

And next time you go out to buy your weed from those nasty dealers maybe you should think "what am I" not "who am I"[/quote]

I am suggesting indeed that all heroin addicts receive their heroin on prescription. Do you know how much money this country spends in the phoney war in drugs? Do you know how cheap heroin could be provided and keep people out of a cycle of crime? The money saved from police, customs, courts and prisons would fund prescribed heroin and all of the money left over (and it would be substantial) could be pumped into the education system so kids grow up able to make good choices.

No need to visit dealers anymore for me anyway mush. But who are you to judge?

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:33 pm

Legalising cannabis would be convenient. Just like alcohol, its pretty easy to brew yor own alcohol but people choose to go to the supermarket to buy it or go to a pub etc! Just like prohibition in the usa back in the 20s... Organised criminals made a killing on importing illegal booze into america or brewing it legally, but as soon as the government scraped prohibition, the illegal trade stopped. The same would happen with cannabis-weed. If the government legalised it, even though they would tax it at extortionate rates just like they do with tobbacco, alcohol, people would still end buying it from a cafe-herbal shop, because it would be convenient instead of going through the hassle of growing your own or buying it off some kunt around the corner Lol I don't drink booze, I smoke a fair bit of weed to wind down though, and I wouldn't want the government to legalise it if I'm honest.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:37 pm

RobbieS wrote:The average joe can already obtain anything anywhere and take it without really knowing what's in it. It has already gone tits up or haven't you noticed?


I consider myself an average joe and I wouldn't really have a clue where to get class A drugs. Similar to the arguements about high interest loan companies, they say 'Everyone would just go and get credit from backstreet loan sharks', I wouldn't have the first clue how to go about doing that!

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:38 pm

Nedd Glas wrote:
Bluetwin wrote:No. Because drugs destroy families and communities.


Agreed.


Dealers need to be locked up for a very long time with no half measures - they f**k up people lives so put an end to theirs. The import thing for those inflicted by the real nasty stuff is to provide proper treatment, in the same way people who have smoked all their lives receive cancer treatment. It we can get people off this stuff I'm sure we well all benefit from a reduction in crime.

Only this week my 75 year old mother's house was burgled for a laptop and jewellery.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:51 pm

This about what would happen if they made Milk illegal.

People would still get milk (lol) somehow. But would those that farm it feel the need to ensure it was of good quality? O just cut corners to make it cheaper for them and sell it and inflated prices because it's rarer now and you have less choice.

There are, certainly, socially destructive drugs. But Alcohol ranks right up there with that so it's not a great argument. But legalising drugs allows for the Govt. to tax them, for quality control to have at least some place in the process.

Drugs don't have a stigma attached to them, people can be honest about their addictions and problems and seek help earlier.

Is it perfect? No, but then neither is this system of throwing money at the problem and hoping it will go away (it makes it worse).

Oh and i've never had an illegal drug in my entire life because i'm boring or something :thumbup:

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:54 pm

Heroin is already given over the counter free on prescription in the form of DF118s and methadone Lol I agree, that something drastic has to be done to rid the streets of that dirty brown smack, but legalising it over the counter won't work. Heroin is a totally different kettle of fish, you would have to keep uping there dose, you couldn't just keep them on the same dose cos the habit gets bigger as yor system gets used to it. That's why smack rats are always out on the rob, to feed there addiction as it grows, so giving it to them free over the counter wouldn't work because they would just want more. The only way to do it like that is to gradually cut them down, but that's already in place in the form of a meth script or DFs, so legalising heroin is pointless, just get more people hooked if anything

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:01 pm

RFMH wrote:There are, certainly, socially destructive drugs. But Alcohol ranks right up there with that so it's not a great argument. But legalising drugs allows for the Govt. to tax them, for quality control to have at least some place in the process.


This would be a terrible reason to legalise all drugs. The alcohol ship has sailed, legalising other things because alcohol is legal would be compounding that mistake.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:06 pm

evanmorgan wrote:
RFMH wrote:There are, certainly, socially destructive drugs. But Alcohol ranks right up there with that so it's not a great argument. But legalising drugs allows for the Govt. to tax them, for quality control to have at least some place in the process.


This would be a terrible reason to legalise all drugs. The alcohol ship has sailed, legalising other things because alcohol is legal would be compounding that mistake.


I was going to go into socially destructive drugs, like Heroin for example that it would be harder to justify legality I guess I didn't clarify that enough.

But it's a false dichotomy to say it's legalise all or carry on where we are now. Doctors obviously have a large stake in this, earning rights with certain drugs that are very important (Propofol, Midazolam, Atropine in an Intensive Care department for example) and putting that over the counter is impractical for a variety of reasons.

But treating addicts like criminals and demonising drugs doesn't work either. Like everything the real answer is education, more into prevention and treatment and understanding and a young age and through life. If you bring the correct infomation to people explain and justify it you generally good positive outcomes.

No system is perfect.

Re: should they legalise drugs

Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:25 pm

they should legalize cocaine.. opinions ?