TIME TO GO BACK TO BASICS?

My biggest concern was the lack of flair and creativity when we had the ball, the amount of ball we gave away cheaply was uncharacteristic to say the least, we looked pedestrian going forward and I am not a person to single out players but Whittingham was playing it too safe tonight and not taking control of the game.

When the ball was at our Centre Halves feet there was a distinct lack of movement and very little showing in front of them.

We looked like we were playing from a text book manual tonight, too structured, too safe and more afraid of losing than attempting to win.

We had a bit of luck again tonight and every team needs it share of luck to be successful, I still believe we will get promoted automatically, I just pray that the pressure is not getting too much for the team and the manager.

Maybe time to go back to what we do well under Malky and press the ball hard, win the midfield battle and give Whittingham protection to play a more attacking game, Cowie to come in and join the centre midfield maybe?

I said on Sunday a point would not be the end the world and despite the performance we got that point when it looked very likely we would get nothing from the game.

It is all about staying positive and keeping the faith, hopefully Hudson will not be out too long as we definitely need him at the back.

Is Turner our for 3 weeks?

Does Malky really think tonight was a positive?

Is Whittingham completely undroppable?

Does Malky remember Kim and Mutch are Cardiff players?

Face it, until Malky learns a lesson about his players the team will go on this road and we'll finish 4th and he'll tell us that the ref's championships a hard place to have 13 players season before last. Or whatever tripe he says rather than take any responsibility.

Is Turner our for 3 weeks?

Does Malky really think tonight was a positive?

Is Whittingham completely undroppable?

Does Malky remember Kim and Mutch are Cardiff players?

Face it, until Malky learns a lesson about his players the team will go on this road and we'll finish 4th and he'll tell us that the ref's championships a hard place to have 13 players season before last. Or whatever tripe he says rather than take any responsibility.

Jesus Christ, you were never like this

My biggest concern was the lack of flair and creativity when we had the ball, the amount of ball we gave away cheaply was uncharacteristic to say the least, we looked pedestrian going forward and I am not a person to single out players but Whittingham was playing it too safe tonight and not taking control of the game.

When the ball was at our Centre Halves feet there was a distinct lack of movement and very little showing in front of them.

We looked like we were playing from a text book manual tonight, too structured, too safe and more afraid of losing than attempting to win.

We had a bit of luck again tonight and every team needs it share of luck to be successful, I still believe we will get promoted automatically, I just pray that the pressure is not getting too much for the team and the manager.

Maybe time to go back to what we do well under Malky and press the ball hard, win the midfield battle and give Whittingham protection to play a more attacking game, Cowie to come in and join the centre midfield maybe?

I said on Sunday a point would not be the end the world and despite the performance we got that point when it looked very likely we would get nothing from the game.

It is all about staying positive and keeping the faith, hopefully Hudson will not be out too long as we definitely need him at the back.

I couldnt get my head around some of the very very basic passing that was going all over the place.
It wasnt even always the defence, players like Noone, Conway and especially Smith and Gunnar who should know much much better

My biggest concern was the lack of flair and creativity when we had the ball, the amount of ball we gave away cheaply was uncharacteristic to say the least, we looked pedestrian going forward and I am not a person to single out players but Whittingham was playing it too safe tonight and not taking control of the game.

When the ball was at our Centre Halves feet there was a distinct lack of movement and very little showing in front of them.

We looked like we were playing from a text book manual tonight, too structured, too safe and more afraid of losing than attempting to win.

We had a bit of luck again tonight and every team needs it share of luck to be successful, I still believe we will get promoted automatically, I just pray that the pressure is not getting too much for the team and the manager.

Maybe time to go back to what we do well under Malky and press the ball hard, win the midfield battle and give Whittingham protection to play a more attacking game, Cowie to come in and join the centre midfield maybe?

I said on Sunday a point would not be the end the world and despite the performance we got that point when it looked very likely we would get nothing from the game.

It is all about staying positive and keeping the faith, hopefully Hudson will not be out too long as we definitely need him at the back.

Spot on, we need to go back to basics and play like we did before

Is Turner our for 3 weeks?

Does Malky really think tonight was a positive?

Is Whittingham completely undroppable?

Does Malky remember Kim and Mutch are Cardiff players?

Face it, until Malky learns a lesson about his players the team will go on this road and we'll finish 4th and he'll tell us that the ref's championships a hard place to have 13 players season before last. Or whatever tripe he says rather than take any responsibility.

Jesus Christ, you were never like this

I've been going to Cardiff for 13 years this year and today was the first time I walked out before the final whistle. Malky is Dave Jones with a slightly worse style of football. We were a CB short on Jan and he didn't get a CB and just hoped Hudson would be ok, the same Mark Hudson who has never played a full season for us without a gap through injury.

Our manager comes out after that performance and believes its good enough, meaning nothing will change (other than probably Rudy will start).

Is Turner our for 3 weeks?

Does Malky really think tonight was a positive?

Is Whittingham completely undroppable?

Does Malky remember Kim and Mutch are Cardiff players?

Face it, until Malky learns a lesson about his players the team will go on this road and we'll finish 4th and he'll tell us that the ref's championships a hard place to have 13 players season before last. Or whatever tripe he says rather than take any responsibility.

Jesus Christ, you were never like this

I've been going to Cardiff for 13 years this year and today was the first time I walked out before the final whistle. Malky is Dave Jones with a slightly worse style of football. We were a CB short on Jan and he didn't get a CB and just hoped Hudson would be ok, the same Mark Hudson who has never played a full season for us without a gap through injury.

Our manager comes out after that performance and believes its good enough, meaning nothing will change (other than probably Rudy will start).

So children, the moral of the story is: never leave a game before the final whistle.

I just wrote the same thing in another post carl, i totally agree with you. Tonight was painful!

I don't regret leaving, if we'd lost tonight our manager would have been forced to realise some home truths. Now he can pretend we aren't facing the problems we have.

Back to basics and back to basic attacking.

I do find it funny(not directed at anyone in this topic) that people moaned about Cowie & Mutch always being picked and now they aren't, people want them picked!!!

I just wrote the same thing in another post carl, i totally agree with you. Tonight was painful!

Good summary.........very painful.

My biggest concern was the lack of flair and creativity when we had the ball, the amount of ball we gave away cheaply was uncharacteristic to say the least, we looked pedestrian going forward and I am not a person to single out players but Whittingham was playing it too safe tonight and not taking control of the game.

When the ball was at our Centre Halves feet there was a distinct lack of movement and very little showing in front of them.

We looked like we were playing from a text book manual tonight, too structured, too safe and more afraid of losing than attempting to win.

We had a bit of luck again tonight and every team needs it share of luck to be successful, I still believe we will get promoted automatically, I just pray that the pressure is not getting too much for the team and the manager.

Maybe time to go back to what we do well under Malky and press the ball hard, win the midfield battle and give Whittingham protection to play a more attacking game, Cowie to come in and join the centre midfield maybe?

I said on Sunday a point would not be the end the world and despite the performance we got that point when it looked very likely we would get nothing from the game.

It is all about staying positive and keeping the faith, hopefully Hudson will not be out too long as we definitely need him at the back.

I agree with all of this apart from the bit about getting promoted - we won't.

WOW carl are you plagerisng my post

Malky stated that Whitts would always be one of the first names on the team sheet - I agree if he is playing well but he isn't, and a statement like gives the player no encouragement to do better

Whitts probably thinks he's never getting dropped,he's being found out in midfield he's been out muscled in the last few games.
We need another CM maybe Mutch or Cowie to hold with Gunnar in front of the back four, to add extra protection.
Whitts or Kimbo can play further forward in the middle of a 3 with Bellamy one side and one from Noone,Conway or Smith on the other, with FC up front, but playing ball to feet not in the air where FC as no chance. A 4-2-3-1 formation.

whats happened since the start of the season?

we always play f*cking wide, never shoot when we get the chance

we should start taking the chances

My biggest concern was the lack of flair and creativity when we had the ball, the amount of ball we gave away cheaply was uncharacteristic to say the least, we looked pedestrian going forward and I am not a person to single out players but Whittingham was playing it too safe tonight and not taking control of the game.

When the ball was at our Centre Halves feet there was a distinct lack of movement and very little showing in front of them.

We looked like we were playing from a text book manual tonight, too structured, too safe and more afraid of losing than attempting to win.

We had a bit of luck again tonight and every team needs it share of luck to be successful, I still believe we will get promoted automatically, I just pray that the pressure is not getting too much for the team and the manager.

Maybe time to go back to what we do well under Malky and press the ball hard, win the midfield battle and give Whittingham protection to play a more attacking game, Cowie to come in and join the centre midfield maybe?

I said on Sunday a point would not be the end the world and despite the performance we got that point when it looked very likely we would get nothing from the game.

It is all about staying positive and keeping the faith, hopefully Hudson will not be out too long as we definitely need him at the back.

Those basics should begin with an introduction session so the players actually know who is a Cardiff player....

whats happened since the start of the season?

we always play f*cking wide, never shoot when we get the chance

we should start taking the chances

IMO we have got away with the 'dogged' style of play which in fairness is a proven style of play for getting promotion from the Championship.

Unfortunately our rivals in the Championship have scouting systems which means we are now so dam predictable and easy to contain. MM has to be bold and use the squad at his disposal and do something invocative.

campbell looked as if he was on his own upfront for most of the game until rudy went upfront with him....

i still cant work out, where tommy smith actually plays? or what he offers at the mo. poor performances last couple of games.

we struggle in the middle...

so why dont we chuck kimo in a midfield trio.. i got shot down by many last week saying campbell no good on his own, however he was coming back to the half way line last night sometimes to pick the ball up. not once did he get a through pass in or around the box.


i would def go with this formation... . assuming we had both first choice centre backs avail.


--------------------campbell---------------------
bellamy--------------------------------noone---
-------------whitts----------kimbo-------------
---------------------------------------------------
------------------gunnarsson-------------------
taylor-------turner--------hudson---- connolly
---------------------------------------------------
------------------marshall-----------------------


i think we would see an improved whitts, more width,with bags of pace, more domination in the middle of the park and more creativity in kimbo.

[quote="nojac"]Whitts probably thinks he's never getting dropped,he's being found out in midfield he's been out muscled in the last few games.
We need another CM maybe Mutch or Cowie to hold with Gunnar in front of the back four, to add extra protection.
Whitts or Kimbo can play further forward in the middle of a 3 with Bellamy one side and one from Noone,Conway or Smith on the other, with FC up front, but playing ball to feet not in the air where FC as no chance. A 4-2-3-1 formation.[/quote]

You see it.

I see it.

Every bugger sees it.

Except 1 person.

Whitts probably thinks he's never getting dropped,he's being found out in midfield he's been out muscled in the last few games.
We need another CM maybe Mutch or Cowie to hold with Gunnar in front of the back four, to add extra protection.
Whitts or Kimbo can play further forward in the middle of a 3 with Bellamy one side and one from Noone,Conway or Smith on the other, with FC up front, but playing ball to feet not in the air where FC as no chance. A 4-2-3-1 formation.[/quote]

You see it.

I see it.

Every bugger sees it.

Except 1 person.

Can I ask if you have played the game at a high level. No I thought not. Travelled from Northampton did you well have a shit journey home
Oops sorry wrong manager