Dictator

A dictator is a ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power (sometimes, but not always, with military control or bribes) but not officially sanctioned by heritage, as is an absolute monarch.[1] When other states call the head of state of a particular state a dictator, that state is called a dictatorship. The word originated as the title of a magistrate in ancient Rome appointed by the Senate to rule the republic in times of emergency (see Roman dictator and justitium).[2]
Like the term "tyrant" (which was originally a respectable Ancient Greek title), and to a lesser degree "autocrat", "dictator" came to be used almost exclusively as a non-titular term for oppressive, even abusive rule, yet had rare modern titular use.[citation needed]
In modern usage, the term "dictator" is generally used to describe a leader who holds and/or abuses an extraordinary amount of personal power, especially the power to make laws without effective restraint by a legislative assembly[citation needed]. Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following traits: suspension of elections and of civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents without abiding by rule of law procedures; these include single-party state, and cult of personality.[citation needed]
The term "dictator" is comparable to–but not synonymous with–the ancient concept of a tyrant; initially "tyrant", like "dictator", did not carry negative connotations. A wide variety of leaders coming to power in a number of different kinds of regimes, such as military juntas, single-party states and civilian governments under personal rule, have been described as dictators. They may hold left or right-wing views, or can even be apolitical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator

Come on people, get real. Its absolutely disrespectful not only to Tan by referring to him in such a manor but also the lives of people who have suffered or lost at the hands of people like Amin, Pol Pot, Gadaffi, Hussein et al.

Quite honestly I cringe and then get angry every time I am hearing this phrase mentioned and quite frankly its pathetic. Get real!

I just see him as a business man making decisions.

Sadly for a lot of us fans its not good news but he is brining success to the club/business.

Interesting the trust called him a dictator though, yet still want to open talks with him

Interesting the trust called him a dictator though, yet still want to open talks with him

I thought that too.

I really find it one of the most disgusting things to call VT and the people who do should be ashamed of themselves. Particularly people like Annis and other mods who are perpetrating it all. Its shocking and vile!

Adopt Hitler was also a man - does this mean we can't call VT a man either?

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Adopt Hitler was also a man - does this mean we can't call VT a man either?

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Adopt Hitler wasn't a man, Adolf on the other hand. Don't get what you're getting at sorry

:lol:

Adopt Hitler was also a man - does this mean we can't call VT a man either?

????

Adopt Hitler wasn't a man, Adolf on the other hand. Don't get what you're getting at sorry

:lol:

Adopt Hitler was also a man - does this mean we can't call VT a man either?

????

Adopt Hitler wasn't a man, Adolf on the other hand. Don't get what you're getting at sorry

Oh dear, Hitler brought up how. It's nonsense like this that push people into being pro red.

Why can't we have sensible fans wanting us blue

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Adopt Hitler was also a man - does this mean we can't call VT a man either?

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Adopt Hitler wasn't a man, Adolf on the other hand. Don't get what you're getting at sorry

Oh dear, Hitler brought up how. It's nonsense like this that push people into being pro red.

Why can't we have sensible fans wanting us blue

Why can't all such insulting posts that refer to Tan in such derogatory terms be deleted by the mods???

Why would anyone adopt Hitler

Why would anyone adopt Hitler

:lol:

Adopt Hitler was also a man - does this mean we can't call VT a man either?

????

Adopt Hitler wasn't a man, Adolf on the other hand. Don't get what you're getting at sorry

Sorry, iPad auto-corrected me. You know what I meant though.

VT dictates to the club how he wants things to be, so he is a dictator. It's not a democracy on the board, it's his vision and ideas - even if the majority of the supporters disagree with him.

:lol:

Adopt Hitler was also a man - does this mean we can't call VT a man either?

????

Adopt Hitler wasn't a man, Adolf on the other hand. Don't get what you're getting at sorry

Sorry, iPad auto-corrected me. You know what I meant though.

VT dictates to the club how he wants things to be, so he is a dictator. It's not a democracy on the board, it's his vision and ideas - even if the majority of the supporters disagree with him.

But he's not, he's the major investor and propping up a club who would go under were it not for him. That's not being a dictator, thats running a business the way you see fit whilst having a large amount of risk attached due to the level of your investment. He's making hard business decisions in an attempt to make us more profitable for his and our benefit. He's got a vision for how he sees that happening and he's sticking to it. That's business management and leadership, not a dictatorship, that's something completely different all together. Again, its an insult to him and the lives of those who have passed under those particular regimes.

All those same objectives could be achieved with a blue shirt. The only reason we have blue shirts, is because that's what Tan said he wants. Nobody else wants Blue shirts, not even the most staunch "pro-red" .

Sounds like the club is being dictated to.

All those same objectives could be achieved with a blue shirt. The only reason we have blue shirts, is because that's what Tan said he wants. Nobody else wants Blue shirts, not even the most staunch "pro-red" .

Sounds like the club is being dictated to.

No, the business plan is to draw in investment from the eastern market. Red is more marketable there, bigger income streams. Blue isn't marketable there, Chelsea and Man city both been successful recently but aren't as big as Man Urd and liverpool out there. Pay attention at the back ; )

Its not a whim its a business decision. why would he flutter his money away on a whim? Annis and Carl would have you believe that, but that's because they have different motives. Weight it up logically, why would you invest the amount he has and make stupid decisions???

Its not a whim its a business decision. why would he flutter his money away on a whim? Annis and Carl would have you believe that, but that's because they have different motives. Weight it up logically, why would you invest the amount he has and make stupid decisions???

fair enough but tan doesnt no or understand football or its fans and as a result he struggles to combine business decisions into a football club.
The very base of any club big or small is its fan base without this doesnt matter how much Tan invests it wont work in the long run ,It will be Tans down fall.

there has been no fans consultation on any proposed changes Tan has just made those decisions himself and that is why us as passionate fans of CCFC dont LIKE it . tan has planted the seed with even more possible changes again with no fan consultation he really is his own worst enemy.Just to prove this he said if 25% of customers yes customers dont like it then thats fine this just fuels people's anger even more.

We as fans are the life and soul of are club and of any club thats football every body knows this who understands football Tan doesnt even no the rules of a game of football.

So based on this I am sorry TAN has and will continue to make stupid decisions.

If he is smart he will get a real football man on the board to guide him on any future decisions he thinks of making.Tan though I fear is a one man band and will not listen to anybody.So we all await the next stupid decision Tan makes shall we.

what a bore

All those same objectives could be achieved with a blue shirt. The only reason we have blue shirts, is because that's what Tan said he wants. Nobody else wants Blue shirts, not even the most staunch "pro-red" .

Sounds like the club is being dictated to.

No, the business plan is to draw in investment from the eastern market. Red is more marketable there, bigger income streams. Blue isn't marketable there, Chelsea and Man city both been successful recently but aren't as big as Man Urd and liverpool out there. Pay attention at the back ; )

The biggest club team in china are blue, but don't let that feet in the way of the ridiculous eastern marketing faux business plan.

All those same objectives could be achieved with a blue shirt. The only reason we have blue shirts, is because that's what Tan said he wants. Nobody else wants Blue shirts, not even the most staunch "pro-red" .

Sounds like the club is being dictated to.

No, the business plan is to draw in investment from the eastern market. Red is more marketable there, bigger income streams. Blue isn't marketable there, Chelsea and Man city both been successful recently but aren't as big as Man Urd and liverpool out there. Pay attention at the back ; )

I'm well aware of the apparent reasoning behind it, just choose not to believe it. There is no business plan, even club officials have admitted that.

Didn't you watch the interview? "What about Cardiff?" Asked the reporter. "Who?" Replied the Malaysian.

It also claimed that QPR shirts were selling like hot cakes, despite being in the dreaded blue and white...

MU & Liverpool shirts fly off the shelves everywhere - they are huge names. THAT'S why they sell.

I recently called Tan a lot worse than a dictator...

I'm well aware of the apparent reasoning behind it, just choose not to believe it. There is no business plan, even club officials have admitted that.

Didn't you watch the interview? "What about Cardiff?" Asked the reporter. "Who?" Replied the Malaysian.

It also claimed that QPR shirts were selling like hot cakes, despite being in the dreaded blue and white...

MU & Liverpool shirts fly off the shelves everywhere - they are huge names. THAT'S why they sell.

But Santa Claus is more polular amongst kids than the Easter Bunny... ever seen the Easter Bunny wearing a RED coat?

It's the colour, for sure...

I really find it one of the most disgusting things to call VT and the people who do should be ashamed of themselves. Particularly people like Annis and other mods who are perpetrating it all. Its shocking and vile!

I find it one of the most disgusting things to do to Bluebirds supporters, changing our 100
Year old colours and rebranding us largely as a new club, an Asia friendly brand. That my friend is Disrespect! And you'd like us to show him more respect? I suggest he should show more respect to the clubs identity first.

Its not a whim its a business decision. why would he flutter his money away on a whim? Annis and Carl would have you believe that, but that's because they have different motives. Weight it up logically, why would you invest the amount he has and make stupid decisions???

I have my own motive mate! The love of my football club.

As my uncle used to say, "It's always good to have a couple of strings to your bow. Even Hitler was a painter and decorator". And he only had one ball.

dictator is sasha cohen in disguise

A dictator is a ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power (sometimes, but not always, with military control or bribes) but not officially sanctioned by heritage, as is an absolute monarch.[1] When other states call the head of state of a particular state a dictator, that state is called a dictatorship. The word originated as the title of a magistrate in ancient Rome appointed by the Senate to rule the republic in times of emergency (see Roman dictator and justitium).[2]
Like the term "tyrant" (which was originally a respectable Ancient Greek title), and to a lesser degree "autocrat", "dictator" came to be used almost exclusively as a non-titular term for oppressive, even abusive rule, yet had rare modern titular use.[citation needed]
In modern usage, the term "dictator" is generally used to describe a leader who holds and/or abuses an extraordinary amount of personal power, especially the power to make laws without effective restraint by a legislative assembly[citation needed]. Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following traits: suspension of elections and of civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents without abiding by rule of law procedures; these include single-party state, and cult of personality.[citation needed]
The term "dictator" is comparable to–but not synonymous with–the ancient concept of a tyrant; initially "tyrant", like "dictator", did not carry negative connotations. A wide variety of leaders coming to power in a number of different kinds of regimes, such as military juntas, single-party states and civilian governments under personal rule, have been described as dictators. They may hold left or right-wing views, or can even be apolitical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator

Come on people, get real. Its absolutely disrespectful not only to Tan by referring to him in such a manor but also the lives of people who have suffered or lost at the hands of people like Amin, Pol Pot, Gadaffi, Hussein et al.

Quite honestly I cringe and then get angry every time I am hearing this phrase mentioned and quite frankly its pathetic. Get real!

Natman

In another thread I referred to Vincent Tan as a dictator and gave a very clear definition of the basis on which I used the term - either a ruler who assumes sole and absolute power or a leader who holds an extraordinary amount of personal power without effective restraint. I stick by my use of that title based on the definition I used and clearly stated.

What you are now doing is suggesting that I or others have claimed he is a malevolent or evil dictator by bringing in the names of Pol Pot etc. I certainly didn`t and I am far from sure anyone else did either. Indeed , I have a great deal of respect for the amount of charitable work VT does back in Malaysia.

Absolute and unquestionned power is dangerous and allowed the individuals you mention (who were evil men and therefore nothing like VT) to get away with what they did.

Keith

So you want to stop all bad press about your leader going out....................like in a dicatorship ha ha You've managed to scupper your own thread, good work.

Dicator Tan Dictator Tan DICTATOR TAN!

I really find it one of the most disgusting things to call VT and the people who do should be ashamed of themselves. Particularly people like Annis and other mods who are perpetrating it all. Its shocking and vile!

I find it one of the most disgusting things to do to Bluebirds supporters, changing our 100
Year old colours and rebranding us largely as a new club, an Asia friendly brand. That my friend is Disrespect! And you'd like us to show him more respect? I suggest he should show more respect to the clubs identity first.

yes, because a change in shirt colour and badge is really equatable to 1,000s of deaths

A dictator is a ruler (e.g. absolutist or autocratic) who assumes sole and absolute power (sometimes, but not always, with military control or bribes) but not officially sanctioned by heritage, as is an absolute monarch.[1] When other states call the head of state of a particular state a dictator, that state is called a dictatorship. The word originated as the title of a magistrate in ancient Rome appointed by the Senate to rule the republic in times of emergency (see Roman dictator and justitium).[2]
Like the term "tyrant" (which was originally a respectable Ancient Greek title), and to a lesser degree "autocrat", "dictator" came to be used almost exclusively as a non-titular term for oppressive, even abusive rule, yet had rare modern titular use.[citation needed]
In modern usage, the term "dictator" is generally used to describe a leader who holds and/or abuses an extraordinary amount of personal power, especially the power to make laws without effective restraint by a legislative assembly[citation needed]. Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following traits: suspension of elections and of civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents without abiding by rule of law procedures; these include single-party state, and cult of personality.[citation needed]
The term "dictator" is comparable to–but not synonymous with–the ancient concept of a tyrant; initially "tyrant", like "dictator", did not carry negative connotations. A wide variety of leaders coming to power in a number of different kinds of regimes, such as military juntas, single-party states and civilian governments under personal rule, have been described as dictators. They may hold left or right-wing views, or can even be apolitical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator

Come on people, get real. Its absolutely disrespectful not only to Tan by referring to him in such a manor but also the lives of people who have suffered or lost at the hands of people like Amin, Pol Pot, Gadaffi, Hussein et al.

Quite honestly I cringe and then get angry every time I am hearing this phrase mentioned and quite frankly its pathetic. Get real!

Natman

In another thread I referred to Vincent Tan as a dictator and gave a very clear definition of the basis on which I used the term - either a ruler who assumes sole and absolute power or a leader who holds an extraordinary amount of personal power without effective restraint. I stick by my use of that title based on the definition I used and clearly stated.

What you are now doing is suggesting that I or others have claimed he is a malevolent or evil dictator by bringing in the names of Pol Pot etc. I certainly didn`t and I am far from sure anyone else did either. Indeed , I have a great deal of respect for the amount of charitable work VT does back in Malaysia.

Absolute and unquestionned power is dangerous and allowed the individuals you mention (who were evil men and therefore nothing like VT) to get away with what they did.

Keith

Keith,

what I am suggesting is that the term Dictator is equated very much to people such as I have described above. I'm not saying that you are directly drawing a comparison to Tan and those kinds of people, but I believe that by the use of such powerful language a comparison or link can be drawn that is both extremely insulting to tan and also to the lives of those who have suffered under such rule. Sorry for any misunderstanding, I can accept people don't like what he has done or is doing, but what I am taking objection to is the kind of language being used. This is just as much out of respect for the dead or suffering as for Tan. Being a Christian I am aware of countless others around the world of many faiths who suffer violent lives under the hands of a Dictator and their regime. I'm sorry, but as a result, I take extreme exception to this level of language being used to someone who is making business decisions on the basis of protecting his investment.... Its worlds apart!

On a side note, Tan has also begun to work charitably in this country. The Christmas present scheme that was run at christmas was organised by a Church down in Barry with who I have some tentative links. I believe that VT personally donated a large sum to this cause.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.