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" League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:58 pm

Whether they give permission is a different matter, this really is bad timing and although the Tan interview can be dissected into pieces that suit many different points of view it could have been shown at the end of the season but the BBC are very clever.does anyone know what date the interview actually took place or why it is being shown Tonight?



) A Club competing in any one of The Premier League, The Football League, The
Football Conference, the Southern Football League, the Isthmian League and the
Northern Premier League shall not be permitted to change its playing name (i.e.
the name under which the Club competes in a Competition), as recorded on Form
“A”, save with the prior written permission of Council.
Any application for a change of playing name must be received by The Association
before 1st April in any calendar year in order for it to be considered by Council for
adoption in the following playing season. Council will use its absolute discretion in
deciding whether to approve a change in a Club’s playing name.
(m) Where a Club is a company, that company must be formed and registered in
England and Wales under the Act.

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:02 pm

If tan makes it clear to the FA he wants the change or he walks away they will pass it through quicker than you could say red dragons.

A club going bust in the prem is not good for them.

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:06 pm

I am not so sure mate...the league would then set a precedent that would cause huge ripples amongst other clubs and their fans...the thought of clubs changing names like they do in rugby league would stop the league allowing a precedent to happen...but that is just my opinion.

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:07 pm

money talks

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:17 pm

corky wrote:Whether they give permission is a different matter, this really is bad timing and although the Tan interview can be dissected into pieces that suit many different points of view it could have been shown at the end of the season but the BBC are very clever.does anyone know what date the interview actually took place or why it is being shown Tonight?



) A Club competing in any one of The Premier League, The Football League, The
Football Conference, the Southern Football League, the Isthmian League and the
Northern Premier League shall not be permitted to change its playing name (i.e.
the name under which the Club competes in a Competition), as recorded on Form
“A”, save with the prior written permission of Council.
Any application for a change of playing name must be received by The Association
before 1st April in any calendar year in order for it to be considered by Council for
adoption in the following playing season. Council will use its absolute discretion in
deciding whether to approve a change in a Club’s playing name.
(m) Where a Club is a company, that company must be formed and registered in
England and Wales under the Act.


I assume the interview was last week as I believe the scarves and any protest about them were mentioned.

I don't think it's the BBC being clever at all, Tan must have agreed the content that was to be shown, the questions that were to be asked and when it would be broadcast. I think like the free scarves, it's a PR own goal by the club.

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:19 pm

BBC knew it wld cause a stir, they are rugby biased and really would not like Cardiff to be in the PTemier league, would really hit the rugby.

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:21 pm

It was def after the scarf give away as it was mentioned in the interview.

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:23 pm

corky wrote:I am not so sure mate...the league would then set a precedent that would cause huge ripples amongst other clubs and their fans...the thought of clubs changing names like they do in rugby league would stop the league allowing a precedent to happen...but that is just my opinion.


I think your right Cork. By allowing us to change name, would open the floodgates for everyone else, don't think they will allow it

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:25 pm

You are right my friend. I have already stated this as well. Scudamore may say he personally would reject such a move but he is not the entire voting panel on such a decision.

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:26 pm

So Corky what are your views on a name change ? Will you still be an all singing all dancing Tan Man ?

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:36 pm

corky wrote:Whether they give permission is a different matter, this really is bad timing and although the Tan interview can be dissected into pieces that suit many different points of view it could have been shown at the end of the season but the BBC are very clever.does anyone know what date the interview actually took place or why it is being shown Tonight?



) A Club competing in any one of The Premier League, The Football League, The
Football Conference, the Southern Football League, the Isthmian League and the
Northern Premier League shall not be permitted to change its playing name (i.e.
the name under which the Club competes in a Competition), as recorded on Form
“A”, save with the prior written permission of Council.
Any application for a change of playing name must be received by The Association
before 1st April in any calendar year in order for it to be considered by Council for
adoption in the following playing season. Council will use its absolute discretion in
deciding whether to approve a change in a Club’s playing name.
(m) Where a Club is a company, that company must be formed and registered in
England and Wales under the Act.





Nick Servini flew out late last week to conduct the interview over the weekend to coincide with Vincent Tan`s birthday and the founders` day celebrations his staff at Berjaya now have for him each year at about the same time. The interview was at VT`s request and included a visit to the 1MCC academy site.

It is being shown tomorrow as this is the first Sport Wales programme scheduled after his return

Keith

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:39 pm

langley wrote:BBC knew it wld cause a stir, they are rugby biased and really would not like Cardiff to be in the PTemier league, would really hit the rugby.



It wasn`t actually BBC Sport that instigated the interview , but the BBC business unit.

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:04 pm

Yes, this is all the BBC's fault.

Wake up and smell the coffee people.

:roll:

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:07 pm

Will you still be an all singing all dancing Tan Man ?

Nukes...I don't know or particularly care who you are but stop talking bollox. What makes you think you know my personal views? Are you just assuming things or making things up? Be careful what you say about people.

As regards the name change I think there are two reasons why this wont happen

1) The fact we were granted City status in 1905 and the name Cardiff City football club spreads that throughout the world. It is an important asset to the city especially if we reach the Premier league..Cardiff Dragons would mean nothing to anybody
2) More importantly I do not believe the football league and particularly the Premier league would allow this precedent to happen.

There we are they are my views whether you agree or not.

I don't think its a BBC conspiracy either just bad timing again by VT

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:32 pm

Didn't mean to be abrupt there Nukes obviously fans are uptight at the moment...its hard to believe that at the end of the day we all want what's best.

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:41 pm

corky wrote:Didn't mean to be abrupt there Nukes obviously fans are uptight at the moment...its hard to believe that at the end of the day we all want what's best.

Chief thanks for the PM and i will say sorry on here as well as my opening question was abrupt and rude. But going on your opening post you said it was NOT against the rules for a name change. Then above you would hope the fA or Prem would block it. But if it isnt against the Rules Tan could get nasty so to speak and say they are blocking him for no l reason and it was stopping him trading us how he see's fit. They would have to give a damn good reason to stop it.

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:41 pm

Nuclearblue wrote:
corky wrote:Didn't mean to be abrupt there Nukes obviously fans are uptight at the moment...its hard to believe that at the end of the day we all want what's best.

Chief thanks for the PM and i will say sorry on here as well as my opening question was abrupt and rude. But going on your opening post you said it was NOT against the rules for a name change. Then above you would hope the fA or Prem would block it. But if it isnt against the Rules Tan could get nasty so to speak and say they are blocking him for no l reason and it was stopping him trading us how he see's fit. They would have to give a damn good reason to stop it.


Precedence is the reason Nukes and I had not thought of that. The last thing the FA/FL want is an avalanche of name requests.

As a kid I use to watch horse jumping. It was usually on before the football so I got to know the names of the horse and the riders. When open advertising came in overnight horses names changed to things like Sony Music Centre. It was all amusing and silly.

Can you imagine someone like Vuaxhall buying Swansea City and changing the name to Swansea Vectra. Money can buy anything and the rules would allow it if the FA/FL agree.

I agree with Corky, I feel the authorities won't allow it.

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:46 pm

Mr Tan has been very categoric in his statement that he will not be changing the name.
As long as he is in charge I think we should accept this assurance.

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:49 pm

How about a compromise,Cardiff blue dragons.just a thought.c'mon the city.

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:18 pm

buckblue11 wrote:How about a compromise,Cardiff blue dragons.just a thought.c'mon the city.

No!!!!!

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:34 pm

The precedent has allready been set in the low with tns and others so no problem there .
The fa has also set a precedent with a number of its lower league teams being named after sponsors like cadburys and a roofing company lol
The premier league has no precedent though so this is where he would have a struggle if anywhere .
Nothing stopping him adding to the name though there's plenty of precedent all through football of joint clubs
Havant and waterlooville to name one

Malaysia and cardiff city ?
One cardiff city Malaysia is allready used over there
I could see Malaysia just being added as a more likely scenario tbh .

Re: League rules do allow a name change

Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:35 pm

Parnassus wrote:If tan makes it clear to the FA he wants the change or he walks away they will pass it through quicker than you could say red dragons.

A club going bust in the prem is not good for them.


Total shit stirring negative rubbish, you have inside football League knowledge do you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:35 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Mr Tan has been very categoric in his statement that he will not be changing the name.
As long as he is in charge I think we should accept this assurance.


:lol: just like he wouldn't be changing to red anymore

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:43 pm

I was wondering if maybe he was planning on dropping the 'City' so it's just 'Cardiff FC'. A bit like when they dropped the 'A' from 'AFC'.

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:52 pm

thomasblue wrote:The precedent has allready been set in the low with tns and others so no problem there .
The fa has also set a precedent with a number of its lower league teams being named after sponsors like cadburys and a roofing company lol
The premier league has no precedent though so this is where he would have a struggle if anywhere .
Nothing stopping him adding to the name though there's plenty of precedent all through football of joint clubs
Havant and waterlooville to name one

Malaysia and cardiff city ?
One cardiff city Malaysia is allready used over there
I could see Malaysia just being added as a more likely scenario tbh .


Mot of those lower league clubs are either work's teams or former works teams.

Also the FAW is in charge of TNS but we're under the FA aswell and I really can't see the FA allowing any name changes.

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:55 pm

corky wrote:Whether they give permission is a different matter, this really is bad timing and although the Tan interview can be dissected into pieces that suit many different points of view it could have been shown at the end of the season but the BBC are very clever.does anyone know what date the interview actually took place or why it is being shown Tonight?



) A Club competing in any one of The Premier League, The Football League, The
Football Conference, the Southern Football League, the Isthmian League and the
Northern Premier League shall not be permitted to change its playing name (i.e.
the name under which the Club competes in a Competition), as recorded on Form
“A”, save with the prior written permission of Council.
Any application for a change of playing name must be received by The Association
before 1st April in any calendar year in order for it to be considered by Council for
adoption in the following playing season. Council will use its absolute discretion in
deciding whether to approve a change in a Club’s playing name.
(m) Where a Club is a company, that company must be formed and registered in
England and Wales under the Act.

Cardiff City Official site.


Tan Sri Vincent Tan has today moved to assure supporters that a possible name change to Cardiff City Football Club will not be happening.

By means of the following statement Tan Sri said:

“I can assure all supporters that we will not be changing our name from Cardiff City Football Club, a club I am very proud to be a part of. Our name is our identity and remains at our core. I would not want any of our supporters to be concerned that this change would be made, hoping that this personal commitment from myself removes any fears.

“I believe the colour change is positive and will bring good tidings to Cardiff City Football Club. At this point of time, no decision has been made to change the club crest for the next season.

“For the present day, all I would ask is that we all join together, continuing your excellent support at what is a critical juncture in our season. Our collective aim is to back Malky Mackay and his team as they work hard to bring us all success. Working together we can achieve great things in the name of Cardiff City Football Club.”

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:29 pm

all piss and wind then? well, at least he will have a gist of what might happen if he tried to change the name, maybe he was testing the water? I reckon the bbc would love nothing more than to derail the club mind, 2 welsh teams in the premier league? the flagging rugby teams....all making perfect sense.....feel for malky and the team they dont deserve any repercussions do they? hope it makes them stronger, i believe it will. :ayatollah:

Re: " League rules do allow a name change "

Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:35 pm

wez1927 wrote:
corky wrote:Whether they give permission is a different matter, this really is bad timing and although the Tan interview can be dissected into pieces that suit many different points of view it could have been shown at the end of the season but the BBC are very clever.does anyone know what date the interview actually took place or why it is being shown Tonight?



) A Club competing in any one of The Premier League, The Football League, The
Football Conference, the Southern Football League, the Isthmian League and the
Northern Premier League shall not be permitted to change its playing name (i.e.
the name under which the Club competes in a Competition), as recorded on Form
“A”, save with the prior written permission of Council.
Any application for a change of playing name must be received by The Association
before 1st April in any calendar year in order for it to be considered by Council for
adoption in the following playing season. Council will use its absolute discretion in
deciding whether to approve a change in a Club’s playing name.
(m) Where a Club is a company, that company must be formed and registered in
England and Wales under the Act.

Cardiff City Official site.


Tan Sri Vincent Tan has today moved to assure supporters that a possible name change to Cardiff City Football Club will not be happening.

By means of the following statement Tan Sri said:

“I can assure all supporters that we will not be changing our name from Cardiff City Football Club, a club I am very proud to be a part of. Our name is our identity and remains at our core. I would not want any of our supporters to be concerned that this change would be made, hoping that this personal commitment from myself removes any fears.

“I believe the colour change is positive and will bring good tidings to Cardiff City Football Club. At this point of time, no decision has been made to change the club crest for the next season.

“For the present day, all I would ask is that we all join together, continuing your excellent support at what is a critical juncture in our season. Our collective aim is to back Malky Mackay and his team as they work hard to bring us all success. Working together we can achieve great things in the name of Cardiff City Football Club.”


End of story.

And if we go up the game changes -at the moment we have it all to lose.. VT doesn't. Go up and he has a massive valuable asset, and the club can make money.

He's a businessman - we need to be cleverer. Don't do anything which will hurt promotion, but when we are in the big time and the world can see us, THEN we can influence decisions.