Have you joined the supporters trust

The more members the trust has, the louder it's voice will be, the bigger it's influence on the club for the us, the fans. We need a strong trust, not just for the current 'issues' but for everything else that affects us as City fans. Come on it's only £1 a month, less than half a pint.

http://www.ccfctrust.org/

I find them a joke sorry.
I haven't even noticed any new tables in the concourse areas

If the supporters club or vince in particular wanted financial support like the trust do to put our point across I would be involved.

I find them a joke sorry.
I haven't even noticed any new tables in the concourse areas

If the supporters club or vince in particular wanted financial support like the trust do to put our point across I would be involved.

2blue2handle, put your views in the survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ccstmembers and let rip!

I find them a joke sorry.
I haven't even noticed any new tables in the concourse areas

If the supporters club or vince in particular wanted financial support like the trust do to put our point across I would be involved.

2blue2handle, put your views in the survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ccstmembers and let rip!

I just don't find them important at all, they are a none event to me. I can't even be bothered to do that.

The more members the trust has, the louder it's voice will be, the bigger it's influence on the club for the us, the fans. We need a strong trust, not just for the current 'issues' but for everything else that affects us as City fans. Come on it's only £1 a month, less than half a pint.

http://www.ccfctrust.org/

any meeting is a hand picked affair.....we have no input really do we

Sorry but was just reading through the trusts aims , what have they actually achieved out of them ?

Maintains dialogue with the club ? Looks like they listen to them
Strengthens the bond between supporters ? Hmm yeah there not devided at all are they
Presents a positive image ? Yeah campaigning for a stop to homophobic chanting towards Brighton fans but does nothing to stop them calling us sheep shaggers ! Nice way of standing up for your own fans
Contingency fund to help club out ? I would be surprised if you could pay 1 weeks wages .
Supporter rep on the board ? No and no chance with tan there

Now if you want to do something useful why don't you try and campaign for shelters or at least some sort of cover outside for the smokers when it rains . Some extra bins around the place would be good . How about getting some giant flags made or trying to boost atmosphere and morale amongst its supporters .
Actually just do something ,anything that is even remotely useful or noticeable to normal fans instead of chasing your own personal adjendas of trying to be the big we are ! And getting on the board . Do you honestly think tan would even notice you if you were there
Good luck I'll keep my £1 a month and put it in my sons savings jar


What is the Cardiff City Supporters Trust?

The Trust is a democratic, not-for-profit group of Cardiff City supporters, committed to giving City fans a voice in the decision-making process of the Club, and to strengthening the links between Cardiff City and the community it serves. If you’re a Cardiff City fan, joining the Trust is a great way to express your commitment to the Bluebirds.

The Trust is run entirely by volunteers and is led by a board of directors, elected by their fellow members. Every adult member has an equal share in the Trust (and a share in Cardiff City through the Trust’s shareholding in the Club), they all have a vote, and they all have a voice.

Although it’s a fans group, the Trust, as a legally constituted Society governed by law, is more than just another “supporters club.” It’s a campaigning organisation which seeks to represent the views of Cardiff City fans to the owners and executives at the Club.

Whilst always wanting to work with the Club, we are independent of it, giving us the right to criticise and question when necessary.

Owners, directors, shareholders, players and managers come and go but the Trust is a reminder to the Club that the main stakeholders in Cardiff City are the fans.

What Does the Trust Do?

* Maintains a regular dialogue with the Club on behalf of supporters

* Encourages the Club to take account of its supporters and the community it serves, in its decision-making

* Strengthens the bond between Cardiff City, its supporters and the local community

* Maintains a significant shareholding in Cardiff City on behalf of our members

* Presents a positive image for Cardiff City, helping to overturn negative attitudes and prejudice towards the Club.

* Maintains a contingency fund for further CCFC share purchases or to help the Club in troubled times

* Uses members’ money to benefit members, the community and other appropriate good causes.

* Ultimately, our aim is to achieve supporter representation on the board of Cardiff City

THE TRUST GIVES CITY FANS A VOICE. THE MORE MEMBERS WE HAVE, THE LOUDER THAT VOICE AND THE GREATER OUR INFLUENCE. PLEASE JOIN US.

If you like to see read more about the Trust and becoming a member please take a look at our leaflet below or see the Join the Trust Now! page. You will need the Adobe Reader to view the leaflet. If you don’t have it on your PC you can download it free: Click

Instead of sitting out the outside and laughing at your supporters trust, what part of if all 20, 000 odd of your fans joined up would give you all an elected voice of the fans that would actually mean something don't any of you seem to understand?

Instead of sitting out the outside and laughing at your supporters trust, what part of if all 20, 000 odd of your fans joined up would give you all an elected voice of the fans that would actually mean something don't any of you seem to understand?

If organised well yes it would have members.

Instead of sitting out the outside and laughing at your supporters trust, what part of if all 20, 000 odd of your fans joined up would give you all an elected voice of the fans that would actually mean something don't any of you seem to understand?

No

I have joined. I think the principle of a supporter's trust is sound - it does depend on it's members, the more that join the greater the influence and capacity any Trust will possess.

Whilst I as an individual may not agree with everything the Trust has done or will do, I understand that i need to be in it.

The more of us that join the more influence it will have.

That said i am not expecting it to be very powerful, or find a cure for the common cold - it is only a Supporter's Trust after all.

No & have no intention to

* Maintains a regular dialogue with the Club on behalf of supporters
Yes of course it does

* Encourages the Club to take account of its supporters and the community it serves, in its decision-making
Malaysian community

* Strengthens the bond between Cardiff City, its supporters and the local community
is this a joke??

* Maintains a significant shareholding in Cardiff City on behalf of our members
Plenty of power behind the handfull of shares then

* Presents a positive image for Cardiff City, helping to overturn negative attitudes and prejudice towards the Club.
We can all see the benefit this season clearly

* Maintains a contingency fund for further CCFC share purchases or to help the Club in troubled times
Planning on buying tan out are they

* Uses members’ money to benefit members, the community and other appropriate good causes.
Like??

* Ultimately, our aim is to achieve supporter representation on the board of Cardiff City
What for the current people in there with millions in the club have no say, whats one guy going to do thats got a few thousand quid in shares

I find them a joke sorry.
I haven't even noticed any new tables in the concourse areas

If the supporters club or vince in particular wanted financial support like the trust do to put our point across I would be involved.

2blue2handle, put your views in the survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ccstmembers and let rip!

I just don't find them important at all, they are a none event to me. I can't even be bothered to do that.

So you have an opportunity to put across your views in a survey document that take less than 5 minutes to complete, at no cost and without even having to join the Trust and you "can`t even be bothered to do that".

Perhaps that is an example of the attitude that has allowed the rebranding to get as far as it has.

The more members the trust has, the louder it's voice will be, the bigger it's influence on the club for the us, the fans. We need a strong trust, not just for the current 'issues' but for everything else that affects us as City fans. Come on it's only £1 a month, less than half a pint.

http://www.ccfctrust.org/

any meeting is a hand picked affair.....we have no input really do we

I genuinely don`t understand your point. What is "hand picked"?

Sorry but was just reading through the trusts aims , what have they actually achieved out of them ?

Maintains dialogue with the club ? Looks like they listen to them

BUT THE DIALOGUE IS STILL MAINTAINED , AS PROMISED.WITHOUT THAT DIALOGUE THERE IS NO CHANCE OF GETTING SUPPORTERS` VIEWS ACROSS , WHETHER LISTENED TO BY THE CLUB OR NOT.

Strengthens the bond between supporters ? Hmm yeah there not devided at all are they

YES THEY ARE DIVIDED. AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN - BUT MORE SO RECENTLY OVER THE RED/BLUE DIVIDE.THE TRUST CONTINUES TO WORK , WITH PEOPLE LIKE THE SUPPORTERS CLUB ,TO IMPROVE THIS.

Presents a positive image ? Yeah campaigning for a stop to homophobic chanting towards Brighton fans but does nothing to stop them calling us sheep shaggers ! Nice way of standing up for your own fans

YOU ARE FOCUSING ON ONE ISSUE IN ISOLATION(EVEN SO IT IS FOR BRIGHTON TO CONTROL THEIR FANS - TWO WRONGS DON`T MAKE A RIGHT) - WHAT ABOUT ALL THE WORK IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY WHERE POTENTIAL FANS USED TO BE SCARED TO COME TO GAMES BECAUSE OF PAST (NOW INNACURATE) REPUTATION OF OUR CLUB AND THE BEHAVIOUR OF OUR SUPPORTERS BUT HAVE NOW BECOME CITY SUPPORTERS?

Contingency fund to help club out ? I would be surprised if you could pay 1 weeks wages .

CORRECT - HUGE ADDITIONAL SUMS WOULD HAVE TO BE RAISED FOR INSTANCE TO SAVE THE CLUB FROM AN ADMINISTRATION IF NEEDED. WHAT ALTERNATIVE BODY WOULD YOU SUGGEST WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE OR EFFECTIVE TO COORDINATE THIS SHOULD (GOD FORBID) THIS NEED ARISE?

Supporter rep on the board ? No and no chance with tan there

ARE YOU AWARE THAT THIS IS QUITE LIKELY TO BECOME A LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR CLUBS IN THE FUTURE? A PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY RECOMMENDED THIS SHOULD HAPPEN , BASED UPON EVIDENCE SUBMITTED BY THE SUPPORTERS DIRECT ORGANISATION (INCLUDING SPECIFIC COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY THE CCST)

Now if you want to do something useful why don't you try and campaign for shelters or at least some sort of cover outside for the smokers when it rains . Some extra bins around the place would be good . How about getting some giant flags made or trying to boost atmosphere and morale amongst its supporters .

SEE MY ANSWER BELOW RE SHELTERS AND BINS. GIANT FLAGS ARE MORE PROBLEMATICAL DUE TO HEALTH AND SAFETY AND FIRE REGS IN THE GROUND - BUT THE TRUST IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE CLUB TO GET DISPLAY AREAS IN THE GROUND FOR SUPPORTERS` GROUPS FLAGS IN GENERAL.
Actually just do something ,anything that is even remotely useful or noticeable to normal fans instead of chasing your own personal adjendas of trying to be the big we are ! And getting on the board . Do you honestly think tan would even notice you if you were there

I CAN SAFELY SAY THAT NO ONE ON THE TRUST BOARD IS CHASING A PERSONAL AGENDA OR TRYING TO BE THE "BIG WE ARE". DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE? VINCENT TAN WOULD NOTICE WE WERE THERE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SHOWN IN THE BOARD MINUTES AS WOULD DETAILS OF ANY DISCUSSIONS WE GOT INVOLVED IN.HE MAY NOT PHYSICALLY SEE US AS HE DOES NOT ATTEND BOARD MEETINGS BECAUSE HE IS NOT A DIRECTOR HIMSELF.

Good luck I'll keep my £1 a month and put it in my sons savings jar

ENTIRELY YOUR CHOICE. BUT I WOULD JUST REQUEST YOU DO SO BASED ON FACTS RATHER THAN A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE TRUST DOES.


What is the Cardiff City Supporters Trust?

The Trust is a democratic, not-for-profit group of Cardiff City supporters, committed to giving City fans a voice in the decision-making process of the Club, and to strengthening the links between Cardiff City and the community it serves. If you’re a Cardiff City fan, joining the Trust is a great way to express your commitment to the Bluebirds.

The Trust is run entirely by volunteers and is led by a board of directors, elected by their fellow members. Every adult member has an equal share in the Trust (and a share in Cardiff City through the Trust’s shareholding in the Club), they all have a vote, and they all have a voice.

Although it’s a fans group, the Trust, as a legally constituted Society governed by law, is more than just another “supporters club.” It’s a campaigning organisation which seeks to represent the views of Cardiff City fans to the owners and executives at the Club.

Whilst always wanting to work with the Club, we are independent of it, giving us the right to criticise and question when necessary.

Owners, directors, shareholders, players and managers come and go but the Trust is a reminder to the Club that the main stakeholders in Cardiff City are the fans.

What Does the Trust Do?

* Maintains a regular dialogue with the Club on behalf of supporters

* Encourages the Club to take account of its supporters and the community it serves, in its decision-making

* Strengthens the bond between Cardiff City, its supporters and the local community

* Maintains a significant shareholding in Cardiff City on behalf of our members

* Presents a positive image for Cardiff City, helping to overturn negative attitudes and prejudice towards the Club.

* Maintains a contingency fund for further CCFC share purchases or to help the Club in troubled times

* Uses members’ money to benefit members, the community and other appropriate good causes.

* Ultimately, our aim is to achieve supporter representation on the board of Cardiff City

THE TRUST GIVES CITY FANS A VOICE. THE MORE MEMBERS WE HAVE, THE LOUDER THAT VOICE AND THE GREATER OUR INFLUENCE. PLEASE JOIN US.

If you like to see read more about the Trust and becoming a member please take a look at our leaflet below or see the Join the Trust Now! page. You will need the Adobe Reader to view the leaflet. If you don’t have it on your PC you can download it free: Click

Some good suggestions there re shelters for smokers and extra bins - why don`t you complete the survey and put in the suggestions there so they can be taken up.If you do , I promise to progress them both at the next Trust board meeting and at the next meeting with the club.


I have tried to answer your other specific comments and questions above (in bold type for it to stand out).

A few questions for the o/p !

What is the trusts stance on the rebrand ?
What campaigns are the trust currently working on , on behalf of its members ?
Are all members allowed to attend meetings ?
Are all new members allowed to stand for a committee place and when is this voted on ?
Why have a trust member on the board instead of a supporter club member ?
Why don't you make yourselves more visible because tbh at games your pretty much invisible ?
What is your main achievement to date ?

I find them a joke sorry.
I haven't even noticed any new tables in the concourse areas

If the supporters club or vince in particular wanted financial support like the trust do to put our point across I would be involved.

2blue2handle, put your views in the survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ccstmembers and let rip!

I just don't find them important at all, they are a none event to me. I can't even be bothered to do that.

So you have an opportunity to put across your views in a survey document that take less than 5 minutes to complete, at no cost and without even having to join the Trust and you "can`t even be bothered to do that".

Perhaps that is an example of the attitude that has allowed the rebranding to get as far as it has.

Nothing to do with that, I just don't think the trust will do anything anyway so why waste my time.
I'm pleased about the new tables being put in but I think that's the extent of the trust.

You had a chance under PR
You had a chance with the rebrand

Huge moments in the clubs history, tell me what the trust did on those issues other than hold a meeting?

And I was a trust member and other than a shiny badge and a newsletter programme thing nothing happened, nothing was done, I had no correspondence from anyone.

It's just not for me, a well run trust would be am asset for sure.

I find them a joke sorry.
I haven't even noticed any new tables in the concourse areas

If the supporters club or vince in particular wanted financial support like the trust do to put our point across I would be involved.

2blue2handle, put your views in the survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ccstmembers and let rip!

I just don't find them important at all, they are a none event to me. I can't even be bothered to do that.

So you have an opportunity to put across your views in a survey document that take less than 5 minutes to complete, at no cost and without even having to join the Trust and you "can`t even be bothered to do that".

Perhaps that is an example of the attitude that has allowed the rebranding to get as far as it has.

Nothing to do with that, I just don't think the trust will do anything anyway so why waste my time.
I'm pleased about the new tables being put in but I think that's the extent of the trust.

You had a chance under PR
You had a chance with the rebrand

Huge moments in the clubs history, tell me what the trust did on those issues other than hold a meeting?

And I was a trust member and other than a shiny badge and a newsletter programme thing nothing happened, nothing was done, I had no correspondence from anyone. I think the only thing I heard about while I was a member was something about finding out why local ethnic minorities don't attend games or something like that - its wasn't what I thought I was joining.

It's just not for me, a well run pro-active trust would be am asset for sure.

I find them a joke sorry.
I haven't even noticed any new tables in the concourse areas

If the supporters club or vince in particular wanted financial support like the trust do to put our point across I would be involved.

I tend to agree, I joined the Trust to help with that louder voice, but even when I agreed to work there on a voluntary basis to support it, the trust gives me the impression its divided.

To many people who so called support and head the trust disagree with each other and quite frankly, i found it a joke. Some agreed with Tan some disagreed with Tan and made the trust a mockery.

I find them a joke sorry.
I haven't even noticed any new tables in the concourse areas

If the supporters club or vince in particular wanted financial support like the trust do to put our point across I would be involved.

I tend to agree, I joined the Trust to help with that louder voice, but even when I agreed to work there on a voluntary basis to support it, the trust gives me the impression its divided.

To many people who so called support and head the trust disagree with each other and quite frankly, i found it a joke. Some agreed with Tan some disagreed with Tan and made the trust a mockery.

When Corky stepped down I offered help and didn't even get a reply.

Honest question here, at the time your trust were formed, did anyone look to the Swansea Supporters trust for even the slightest bit of advice or ideas? Or was it a case of, "Well everyone else is doing it, let's start our own?"

I find them a joke sorry.
I haven't even noticed any new tables in the concourse areas

If the supporters club or vince in particular wanted financial support like the trust do to put our point across I would be involved.

I tend to agree, I joined the Trust to help with that louder voice, but even when I agreed to work there on a voluntary basis to support it, the trust gives me the impression its divided.

To many people who so called support and head the trust disagree with each other and quite frankly, i found it a joke. Some agreed with Tan some disagreed with Tan and made the trust a mockery.

When Corky stepped down I offered help and didn't even get a reply.

I sat there for a few hours before one of the games, and to be honest, I left shaking my head.

I was dumfounded and quite frankly disappointed in what i heard. I now realise that this club although im a reluctant red needs a louder but firmer voice. I agree with the comments made towards Vince Alm, id support Vince 1000% as he talks the talk and also takes flack from some fans, although he puts massive effort into his work for the club.

Top bloke and greatly regarded.

A few questions for the o/p !

What is the trusts stance on the rebrand ?
What campaigns are the trust currently working on , on behalf of its members ?
Are all members allowed to attend meetings ?
Are all new members allowed to stand for a committee place and when is this voted on ?
Why have a trust member on the board instead of a supporter club member ?
Why don't you make yourselves more visible because tbh at games your pretty much invisible ?
What is your main achievement to date ?

The Trust`s stand on the rebrand is that the first poll of members taken at the time was slightly against the rebrand , but not enough to campaign strongly against it. However , there was a very large majority who were against the way in which the club failed to consult fans on the issue and to have more transparency in the way in which the club deals with such matters - both these issues continue to be pressed by the Trust in its meetings with the club and generally.
A second survey is currently taking place , in which non-members of the Trust can also take part , covering a number of issues including the rebrand . The results of this will be available and published before the end next week and will show whether fans` views have changed since May last year.

All members are able to attend open meetings of the Trust held a few times a year as well as the AGM which takes place in May. Other meetings in between are for board members only , although every member is entitled to submit questions for discussion at those meetings.

Everyone who is a member is entitled to stand for election for the board and new candidates are welcome and appreciated as it means spreading the burden of running the Trust.Elections take place in May each year , and invitations for candidates will be going out next month.The votes are then opened and counted by an independent body of people.

The idea of having a Trust member on the board is that the Trust is currently the only body of fans that elects its officers annually in democratic elections and is governed by rules recognised by the football authorities/government. Changes in the FA rules currently being pressed for by politicians are likely to have that requirement for supporter representation.

Not sure how we are supposed to make ourselves more visible at games(any suggestions you have would be welcomed).We do have a small Trust office located near gate 5 at the stadium which is manned for over an hour before every game and is accessible to every fan before they enter the stadium.

My personal opinion is that the main objectives completed so far are the Keenor statue and the opening of the Memorial Garden - both are lasting legacies created by the fans for the fans.


Keith

A few questions for the o/p !

What is the trusts stance on the rebrand ?
What campaigns are the trust currently working on , on behalf of its members ?
Are all members allowed to attend meetings ?
Are all new members allowed to stand for a committee place and when is this voted on ?
Why have a trust member on the board instead of a supporter club member ?
Why don't you make yourselves more visible because tbh at games your pretty much invisible ?
What is your main achievement to date ?

The Trust`s stand on the rebrand is that the first poll of members taken at the time was slightly against the rebrand , but not enough to campaign strongly against it. However , there was a very large majority who were against the way in which the club failed to consult fans on the issue and to have more transparency in the way in which the club deals with such matters - both these issues continue to be pressed by the Trust in its meetings with the club and generally.
A second survey is currently taking place , in which non-members of the Trust can also take part , covering a number of issues including the rebrand . The results of this will be available and published before the end next week and will show whether fans` views have changed since May last year.

All members are able to attend open meetings of the Trust held a few times a year as well as the AGM which takes place in May. Other meetings in between are for board members only , although every member is entitled to submit questions for discussion at those meetings.

Everyone who is a member is entitled to stand for election for the board and new candidates are welcome and appreciated as it means spreading the burden of running the Trust.Elections take place in May each year , and invitations for candidates will be going out next month.The votes are then opened and counted by an independent body of people.

The idea of having a Trust member on the board is that the Trust is currently the only body of fans that elects its officers annually in democratic elections and is governed by rules recognised by the football authorities/government. Changes in the FA rules currently being pressed for by politicians are likely to have that requirement for supporter representation.

Not sure how we are supposed to make ourselves more visible at games(any suggestions you have would be welcomed).We do have a small Trust office located near gate 5 at the stadium which is manned for over an hour before every game and is accessible to every fan before they enter the stadium.

My personal opinion is that the main objectives completed so far are the Keenor statue and the opening of the Memorial Garden - both are lasting legacies created by the fans for the fans.


Keith

How will you prevent Swansea fans from hijacking this survey, or for that matter people with multiple aliases, he postal vote only returned I believe less than 30% reply from the Trust membership and that was open to abuse due to voting forms being sent out to lapsed or non members.

I think it would carry more clout if a Trust EGM was called and all members could attend or have postal votes and get a true position, either way It going to be hard, because some people are bound to feel put out and not everyone will get what they want. It may attract a few new members, but it may also lose a few, some people seem to think the Trust is a vehicle for the anti Rebrand protest, I'm sure you and others don't see it as that.

A few questions for the o/p !

What is the trusts stance on the rebrand ?
What campaigns are the trust currently working on , on behalf of its members ?
Are all members allowed to attend meetings ?
Are all new members allowed to stand for a committee place and when is this voted on ?
Why have a trust member on the board instead of a supporter club member ?
Why don't you make yourselves more visible because tbh at games your pretty much invisible ?
What is your main achievement to date ?

The Trust`s stand on the rebrand is that the first poll of members taken at the time was slightly against the rebrand , but not enough to campaign strongly against it. However , there was a very large majority who were against the way in which the club failed to consult fans on the issue and to have more transparency in the way in which the club deals with such matters - both these issues continue to be pressed by the Trust in its meetings with the club and generally.
A second survey is currently taking place , in which non-members of the Trust can also take part , covering a number of issues including the rebrand . The results of this will be available and published before the end next week and will show whether fans` views have changed since May last year.

All members are able to attend open meetings of the Trust held a few times a year as well as the AGM which takes place in May. Other meetings in between are for board members only , although every member is entitled to submit questions for discussion at those meetings.

Everyone who is a member is entitled to stand for election for the board and new candidates are welcome and appreciated as it means spreading the burden of running the Trust.Elections take place in May each year , and invitations for candidates will be going out next month.The votes are then opened and counted by an independent body of people.

The idea of having a Trust member on the board is that the Trust is currently the only body of fans that elects its officers annually in democratic elections and is governed by rules recognised by the football authorities/government. Changes in the FA rules currently being pressed for by politicians are likely to have that requirement for supporter representation.

Not sure how we are supposed to make ourselves more visible at games(any suggestions you have would be welcomed).We do have a small Trust office located near gate 5 at the stadium which is manned for over an hour before every game and is accessible to every fan before they enter the stadium.

My personal opinion is that the main objectives completed so far are the Keenor statue and the opening of the Memorial Garden - both are lasting legacies created by the fans for the fans.


Keith

How will you prevent Swansea fans from hijacking this survey, or for that matter people with multiple aliases, he postal vote only returned I believe less than 30% reply from the Trust membership and that was open to abuse due to voting forms being sent out to lapsed or non members.



I think it would carry more clout if a Trust EGM was called and all members could attend or have postal votes and get a true position, either way It going to be hard, because some people are bound to feel put out and not everyone will get what they want. It may attract a few new members, but it may also lose a few, some people seem to think the Trust is a vehicle for the anti Rebrand protest, I'm sure you and others don't see it as that.

For Trust members voting , their details can be checked against the list of current members which should minimise/eliminate that problem.

For non-members voting , there could be a risk of non-fans voting. But addresses are asked for so at least has a better chance than that Walesonline one of not being tampered with.These results are reported seperately in any case.
As for multiple aliases on message boards , I will leave that to your superior practical knowledge of having used such things

To be honest I thought that the little room was for booking on buses to away trips as there's boards outside quite often promoting trips to games .
To make yourselves more accessible and approachable you could give out leaflets explaining what you campaign for And letting fans know that the office is there if they are interested . Walk around the concourses before games talking to fans and explaining what you are trying to do .set up booths inside the bar areas with leaflets holders so fans can read if and when they want .
Why don't you give the fans free membership to see if they like the idea of being a member and instead of charging monthly fees no matter how small , just organise events through the year in which supporters can get involved, turn up and learn more about the trust instead of worrying about sitting in a boring meeting . The old school way of doing it with general meeting and the like doesn't appeal to people anymore . Fund raising events where fans can have a day out and take there family will prove much more successful and profitable , As was said the more money raised the more shares that can be bought . A few trust committee members walking around the event talking to fans and noting there concerns or ideas would be perfect , people feel more comfortable in that situation , they can then go back into there meeting and put together the thoughts of the fans and act on them .

A few questions for the o/p !

What is the trusts stance on the rebrand ?
What campaigns are the trust currently working on , on behalf of its members ?
Are all members allowed to attend meetings ?
Are all new members allowed to stand for a committee place and when is this voted on ?
Why have a trust member on the board instead of a supporter club member ?
Why don't you make yourselves more visible because tbh at games your pretty much invisible ?
What is your main achievement to date ?

The Trust`s stand on the rebrand is that the first poll of members taken at the time was slightly against the rebrand , but not enough to campaign strongly against it. However , there was a very large majority who were against the way in which the club failed to consult fans on the issue and to have more transparency in the way in which the club deals with such matters - both these issues continue to be pressed by the Trust in its meetings with the club and generally.
A second survey is currently taking place , in which non-members of the Trust can also take part , covering a number of issues including the rebrand . The results of this will be available and published before the end next week and will show whether fans` views have changed since May last year.

All members are able to attend open meetings of the Trust held a few times a year as well as the AGM which takes place in May. Other meetings in between are for board members only , although every member is entitled to submit questions for discussion at those meetings.

Everyone who is a member is entitled to stand for election for the board and new candidates are welcome and appreciated as it means spreading the burden of running the Trust.Elections take place in May each year , and invitations for candidates will be going out next month.The votes are then opened and counted by an independent body of people.

The idea of having a Trust member on the board is that the Trust is currently the only body of fans that elects its officers annually in democratic elections and is governed by rules recognised by the football authorities/government. Changes in the FA rules currently being pressed for by politicians are likely to have that requirement for supporter representation.

Not sure how we are supposed to make ourselves more visible at games(any suggestions you have would be welcomed).We do have a small Trust office located near gate 5 at the stadium which is manned for over an hour before every game and is accessible to every fan before they enter the stadium.

My personal opinion is that the main objectives completed so far are the Keenor statue and the opening of the Memorial Garden - both are lasting legacies created by the fans for the fans.


Keith

How will you prevent Swansea fans from hijacking this survey, or for that matter people with multiple aliases, he postal vote only returned I believe less than 30% reply from the Trust membership and that was open to abuse due to voting forms being sent out to lapsed or non members.



I think it would carry more clout if a Trust EGM was called and all members could attend or have postal votes and get a true position, either way It going to be hard, because some people are bound to feel put out and not everyone will get what they want. It may attract a few new members, but it may also lose a few, some people seem to think the Trust is a vehicle for the anti Rebrand protest, I'm sure you and others don't see it as that.

For Trust members voting , their details can be checked against the list of current members which should minimise/eliminate that problem.

For non-members voting , there could be a risk of non-fans voting. But addresses are asked for so at least has a better chance than that Walesonline one of not being tampered with.These results are reported seperately in any case.
As for multiple aliases on message boards , I will leave that to your superior practical knowledge of having used such things

Never had alias's. can do what i want to better without hiding, as for multiple users, there are three registered in my house, wife me and son, so as with others it's quite easy. No computer whizzkid, wouldn't know where to start with all this hiding Ip's or whatever it is they do. Think you been listening to Dayo's rubbish to much.

To be honest I thought that the little room was for booking on buses to away trips as there's boards outside quite often promoting trips to games .
To make yourselves more accessible and approachable you could give out leaflets explaining what you campaign for And letting fans know that the office is there if they are interested . Walk around the concourses before games talking to fans and explaining what you are trying to do .set up booths inside the bar areas with leaflets holders so fans can read if and when they want .
Why don't you give the fans free membership to see if they like the idea of being a member and instead of charging monthly fees no matter how small , just organise events through the year in which supporters can get involved, turn up and learn more about the trust instead of worrying about sitting in a boring meeting . The old school way of doing it with general meeting and the like doesn't appeal to people anymore . Fund raising events where fans can have a day out and take there family will prove much more successful and profitable , As was said the more money raised the more shares that can be bought . A few trust committee members walking around the event talking to fans and noting there concerns or ideas would be perfect , people feel more comfortable in that situation , they can then go back into there meeting and put together the thoughts of the fans and act on them .

There has never been a board outside the Trust office promoting trips to games. I think you have been looking at the wrong office!!

Leaflets have been given out to fans on several occasions in the past , including within each of the 1,000 Fred Keenor commemorative brochures.And before the office was opened , there was a Trust area within the concourse used to talk to fans. The talking is now done at or just outside the Trust office where fans from all areas of the ground can easily access it (within the concourse it is limited to Ninian and Canton stands).

Free membership is an idea put forward in the past.It has been put in as a suggestion in the most recent survey but , as I understand it , the view to date is that about 90% of the membership consider the current £1 a month to be about right.

Events are put on at least a few times a year - there was one less than 2 weeks ago at CCS - which members and non-members are able to attend.They enable people to learn more about the Trust but also have a great time (all to date have been very well received). Anyone who has been to one will tell you that they are certainly not a boring meeting.

On top of the above events , there have been 5 a side tournaments held at the House of Sport , 11 a side games versus local groups and appearances at things like the Grangetown Festival as well as a number of quizzes and skittles nights in various locations. All of those have been open to attend by anyone and were advertised on the Trust and other messageboards.

If you have any specific ideas on a family fundraising event and/or would like to help in organising one , please let me know and I will try to move the idea forward.

Keith

To be honest I thought that the little room was for booking on buses to away trips as there's boards outside quite often promoting trips to games .
To make yourselves more accessible and approachable you could give out leaflets explaining what you campaign for And letting fans know that the office is there if they are interested . Walk around the concourses before games talking to fans and explaining what you are trying to do .set up booths inside the bar areas with leaflets holders so fans can read if and when they want .
Why don't you give the fans free membership to see if they like the idea of being a member and instead of charging monthly fees no matter how small , just organise events through the year in which supporters can get involved, turn up and learn more about the trust instead of worrying about sitting in a boring meeting . The old school way of doing it with general meeting and the like doesn't appeal to people anymore . Fund raising events where fans can have a day out and take there family will prove much more successful and profitable , As was said the more money raised the more shares that can be bought . A few trust committee members walking around the event talking to fans and noting there concerns or ideas would be perfect , people feel more comfortable in that situation , they can then go back into there meeting and put together the thoughts of the fans and act on them .

There has never been a board outside the Trust office promoting trips to games. I think you have been looking at the wrong office!!

Leaflets have been given out to fans on several occasions in the past , including within each of the 1,000 Fred Keenor commemorative brochures.And before the office was opened , there was a Trust area within the concourse used to talk to fans. The talking is now done at or just outside the Trust office where fans from all areas of the ground can easily access it (within the concourse it is limited to Ninian and Canton stands).

Free membership is an idea put forward in the past.It has been put in as a suggestion in the most recent survey but , as I understand it , the view to date is that about 90% of the membership consider the current £1 a month to be about right.

Events are put on at least a few times a year - there was one less than 2 weeks ago at CCS - which members and non-members are able to attend.They enable people to learn more about the Trust but also have a great time (all to date have been very well received). Anyone who has been to one will tell you that they are certainly not a boring meeting.

On top of the above events , there have been 5 a side tournaments held at the House of Sport , 11 a side games versus local groups and appearances at things like the Grangetown Festival as well as a number of quizzes and skittles nights in various locations. All of those have been open to attend by anyone and were advertised on the Trust and other messageboards.

If you have any specific ideas on a family fundraising event and/or would like to help in organising one , please let me know and I will try to move the idea forward.

Keith

That board must be the wrong office then , the one I was on about is currently advertising the Scotland trip!
Is that a worry for you that fans walk past your office and don't even know its there ?
Does it not concern you that as a season ticket holder , going to every game and using message boards that I and any of my mates going down the city knew nothing obout any of the events you were running ? Your message obviously isn't getting through to the fans and I would suggest that is the first point of action for the trust to address ASAP .
Good luck with your campaigns I hope your successful

To be honest I thought that the little room was for booking on buses to away trips as there's boards outside quite often promoting trips to games .
To make yourselves more accessible and approachable you could give out leaflets explaining what you campaign for And letting fans know that the office is there if they are interested . Walk around the concourses before games talking to fans and explaining what you are trying to do .set up booths inside the bar areas with leaflets holders so fans can read if and when they want .
Why don't you give the fans free membership to see if they like the idea of being a member and instead of charging monthly fees no matter how small , just organise events through the year in which supporters can get involved, turn up and learn more about the trust instead of worrying about sitting in a boring meeting . The old school way of doing it with general meeting and the like doesn't appeal to people anymore . Fund raising events where fans can have a day out and take there family will prove much more successful and profitable , As was said the more money raised the more shares that can be bought . A few trust committee members walking around the event talking to fans and noting there concerns or ideas would be perfect , people feel more comfortable in that situation , they can then go back into there meeting and put together the thoughts of the fans and act on them .

There has never been a board outside the Trust office promoting trips to games. I think you have been looking at the wrong office!!

Leaflets have been given out to fans on several occasions in the past , including within each of the 1,000 Fred Keenor commemorative brochures.And before the office was opened , there was a Trust area within the concourse used to talk to fans. The talking is now done at or just outside the Trust office where fans from all areas of the ground can easily access it (within the concourse it is limited to Ninian and Canton stands).

Free membership is an idea put forward in the past.It has been put in as a suggestion in the most recent survey but , as I understand it , the view to date is that about 90% of the membership consider the current £1 a month to be about right.

Events are put on at least a few times a year - there was one less than 2 weeks ago at CCS - which members and non-members are able to attend.They enable people to learn more about the Trust but also have a great time (all to date have been very well received). Anyone who has been to one will tell you that they are certainly not a boring meeting.

On top of the above events , there have been 5 a side tournaments held at the House of Sport , 11 a side games versus local groups and appearances at things like the Grangetown Festival as well as a number of quizzes and skittles nights in various locations. All of those have been open to attend by anyone and were advertised on the Trust and other messageboards.

If you have any specific ideas on a family fundraising event and/or would like to help in organising one , please let me know and I will try to move the idea forward.

Keith

That board must be the wrong office then , the one I was on about is currently advertising the Scotland trip!
Is that a worry for you that fans walk past your office and don't even know its there ?
Does it not concern you that as a season ticket holder , going to every game and using message boards that I and any of my mates going down the city knew nothing obout any of the events you were running ? Your message obviously isn't getting through to the fans and I would suggest that is the first point of action for the trust to address ASAP .
Good luck with your campaigns I hope your successful

Do you actually walk past the office though on your way into the ground? It is clearly visible , with a (bluebird) sign , a CCST logo and an A-board stood outside and is just a few steps from entrance 5 to the Ninian Stand. No-one else has said they have been unable to find it and many call into it on matchdays , both Trust members and other fans.

Also not sure how you missed the advertising to the events I mentioned. As I said they have been advertised on messageboards and the Trust website. Most have also been mentioned in the matchday programme and some have also been the subject of tannoy announcements in the stadium.
The last few player reunion events have been very full so many others seem to have picked up the message. Any ideas for how else we might advertise them to bring them to your attention?

Thank you for your good wishes for future campaigns.Did you manage to give any further thought to ideas for future family fundraising events that we could consider?

Keith