' PLEASE DON'T TAKE OUR BLUEBIRD AWAY '

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Carlos, a little naive there, how many red shirts have we sold?

my honest answer to the question would be that the damage has already been done. its only there as a token gesture anyway.

i would support a different badge to the hideous one we currently have that looks as though it was knocked up in 5 mins by the club secretary!

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

Well put.

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

Well put.

Got to go with this as a long time sufferer.

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

Well said..

Getting tired of reading these rebrand 'red' threads now. All I can say is I LOVE blue and the Bluebirds.

I hope the Bluebird doesn't go from our shirt, I would be seriously pissed off if it does,

I live, breathe, CCFC, I'm a new fan, 5 years, but I fell in love with CCFC, the Bluebirds.

The feeling of us against them, etc.

I am a new fan as I said, I will be cheering the boys on at Wolves tomorrow, away trips are fantastic.

However if the Bluebird goes, I don't know if I will stay!

I wish I could get my feelings over, but I love the Bluebirds Cardiff City, but not this bleached down excuse of a fan base!



I want my Bluebird!

A touch of sadness................I was GUTTED!

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

Excellent post. Thank you!

Getting tired of reading these rebrand 'red' threads now. All I can say is I LOVE blue and the Bluebirds.

I hope the Bluebird doesn't go from our shirt, I would be seriously pissed off if it does,

I live, breathe, CCFC, I'm a new fan, 5 years, but I fell in love with CCFC, the Bluebirds.

The feeling of us against them, etc.

I am a new fan as I said, I will be cheering the boys on at Wolves tomorrow, away trips are fantastic.

However if the Bluebird goes, I don't know if I will stay!

I wish I could get my feelings over, but I love the Bluebirds Cardiff City, but not this bleached down excuse of a fan base!



I want my Bluebird!

The feeling of us against them has nothing to do with blue. This is exactly what drew me to the bluebirds. My sons support the City and taking them to home games I also got the feeling of us against them but this was because very game is an international Wales against England.

I've "put up" with the red rebrand as the price to pay for the stability and success of the club. Ive respected peoples views who wanted to stay blue and I've also repected peoples choice to reluctantly accept the red. I accecpt that VT saved us financially. But on Tues we felt the full force of the rebrand and it was horrific. Cardiff City as club was totally unrecognisable. I felt gutted, and for the first time realised the full scale of what is happening to us. Success? Yes, but at what price? they can dress the team as they would like them, they can dress a stadium as they want it, but when they try to dress fans as they want it, NO! Enough is enough!

I feel a strong change in opinion since Tues, many reluctant reds have been deeply affected and the tide has turned. They can give every one a "free" red scarf, but as long as there are still blues amongst them we still have an identity. I agree this is no time to disrup the team, so I would urge all fans who care to make a real point of taking blue scarves to every game. Whenever we sing "and it's Cardiff City" or "you'll never take my Cardiff away" to hold it up with pride in an action of pride, defiance, making a stand (call it however you feel), because as long as there are still blue scarfs in the crowd, our heritage lives on. I hope this small jesture grows, and escalates until we finally sea of blue in the stands. Remember that passion we used to have? Lets take it back!

Love peace and Cardiff City.

Getting tired of reading these rebrand 'red' threads now. All I can say is I LOVE blue and the Bluebirds.

I hope the Bluebird doesn't go from our shirt, I would be seriously pissed off if it does,

I live, breathe, CCFC, I'm a new fan, 5 years, but I fell in love with CCFC, the Bluebirds.

The feeling of us against them, etc.

I am a new fan as I said, I will be cheering the boys on at Wolves tomorrow, away trips are fantastic.

However if the Bluebird goes, I don't know if I will stay!

I wish I could get my feelings over, but I love the Bluebirds Cardiff City, but not this bleached down excuse of a fan base!



I want my Bluebird!

The feeling of us against them has nothing to do with blue. This is exactly what drew me to the bluebirds. My sons support the City and taking them to home games I also got the feeling of us against them but this was because very game is an international Wales against England.

No it has nothing to do with blue, but all I'm saying is when I started supporting City they were BLUE and I loved it. I love us against them because they don't want us, by the way I'm a Jock, and I love the City

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

very good post

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

This...

Great post

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

Well said Tony just about sums up how I feel. On Tuesday I didn't accept the free scarf because I will never understand the reason behind this whole rebrand, but having said that after decades of doing the "Hard Years" I do accept we now at last have an owner who has put his money where his mouth is and if the price is the team playing in red so be it.

Whatever your views on VT in my 48 years of supporting the City I have never know an investor be prepared to put so much of his money into the club. SH didn't he just imposed his ego on the club and in terms of money history shows he actually put a few £m of his own money, the much maligned Steve Borley has done more of his money than SH ever did.

We are enjoying a great season on the field, thanks in no small way to the continued financial backing of VT, and the price of that is the team plays in red. Being pragmatic about this doesn't mean as Carl says " I don't care about the traditions of our club", thats bollocks.

Nothing will change my love of Cardiff City Football club, certainly not playing in red and absolutely not someone saying I don't care about the traditions of our club.

Nearly a year on I'm still waiting for the alternative to VT, his financial investment, his rebrand and of course his ongoing plans to further invest in the infrastructure of our club.

I won't hold my breath.

I've "put up" with the red rebrand as the price to pay for the stability and success of the club. Ive respected peoples views who wanted to stay blue and I've also repected peoples choice to reluctantly accept the red. I accecpt that VT saved us financially. But on Tues we felt the full force of the rebrand and it was horrific. Cardiff City as club was totally unrecognisable. I felt gutted, and for the first time realised the full scale of what is happening to us. Success? Yes, but at what price? they can dress the team as they would like them, they can dress a stadium as they want it, but when they try to dress fans as they want it, NO! Enough is enough!

I feel a strong change in opinion since Tues, many reluctant reds have been deeply affected and the tide has turned. They can give every one a "free" red scarf, but as long as there are still blues amongst them we still have an identity. I agree this is no time to disrup the team, so I would urge all fans who care to make a real point of taking blue scarves to every game. Whenever we sing "and it's Cardiff City" or "you'll never take my Cardiff away" to hold it up with pride in an action of pride, defiance, making a stand (call it however you feel), because as long as there are still blue scarfs in the crowd, our heritage lives on. I hope this small jesture grows, and escalates until we finally sea of blue in the stands. Remember that passion we used to have? Lets take it back!

Love peace and Cardiff City.

I have absolutely nothing whatsoever against anyone who wears blue shirts/scarfs etc. to a game indeed I wear them myself. Also I like the idea of waving those scarfs during the singing of traditional Cardiff songs (although many would argue those songs are our 'only' songs but that is for another thread)

But you are deluded if you think the 'tide has turned against the rebrand'

We are top of league have a multi talented squad and a very average and oppotunity ladened Premier League awaits us. The vast majority of fans will not turn against that and the only ones who might are those who are stuck well and truely in the past and frankly deserve a massive kick up the arse.

Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.

George Bernard Shaw

Respect your opinions, but sorry don't 100% agree with them. Agree we need to change to progress (and Im open to it) and yes there has been a definite change in opinion since Tuesday. The point is, there is room for both, we can progress whilst still respecting our heritage. There is no need to wipe it all completely away. This is not a Blue vs Red, Us vs Them situation, there's room for both.

^this^

Respect your opinions, but sorry don't 100% agree with them. Agree we need to change to progress (and Im open to it) and yes there has been a definite change in opinion since Tuesday. The point is, there is room for both, we can progress whilst still respecting our heritage. There is no need to wipe it all completely away. This is not a Blue vs Red, Us vs Them situation, there's room for both.

May be there is room for our hertiage (I assume you are talking about the Bluebird staying on the badge?) as well as a rebrand to boost our profile in the Far East.

Whoever is right is frankly imaterial because the only opinion that counts is VT's because he is the one paying the bills.

Respect your opinions, but sorry don't 100% agree with them. Agree we need to change to progress (and Im open to it) and yes there has been a definite change in opinion since Tuesday. The point is, there is room for both, we can progress whilst still respecting our heritage. There is no need to wipe it all completely away. This is not a Blue vs Red, Us vs Them situation, there's room for both.

May be there is room for our hertiage (I assume you are talking about the Bluebird staying on the badge?) as well as a rebrand to boost our profile in the Far East.

Whoever is right is frankly imaterial because the only opinion that counts is VT's because he is the one paying the bills.

Don't forget mind Tony that just because he is paying the bills does not give VT the right to anything and everything.You must also remember that us fans are also helping to pay the bills and therefore we have rights also.

I hope there's room for both Tony and it's never too late to influence VT.

There's an incorrect assumption that everyone who wants blue is stuck in the past and all reluctant reds are sell outs. Whatever your stance, we all want what a successful Cardiff City. It is possible to respect your heritage and progress and change for the future together. There has to be compromise. VT should be allowed to rebrand the clubs image for a more successful future, but not at the expense of a total elimination of its past. It's, colour and badges now, but it could get a lot worse if VT believes there is no objection what so ever. If done correctly, there's no problem what so ever with fans objecting to some changes.

Just for the record, I'm not anti VT, I'm not anti change, I'm not stuck in the past and I'm not 100% anti red. But I'm 100% behind making sure that our new successful brand embraces Cardiff City as a club, City and group of great fans when trying to appeal to a wider maybe world wide audience.

Ps: keep taking that blue scarf mate

I hope there's room for both Tony and it's never too late to influence VT.

There's an incorrect assumption that everyone who wants blue is stuck in the past and all reluctant reds are sell outs. Whatever your stance, we all want what a successful Cardiff City. It is possible to respect your heritage and progress and change for the future together. There has to be compromise. VT should be allowed to rebrand the clubs image for a more successful future, but not at the expense of a total elimination of its past. It's, colour and badges now, but it could get a lot worse if VT believes there is no objection what so ever. If done correctly, there's no problem what so ever with fans objecting to some changes.

Just for the record, I'm not anti VT, I'm not anti change, I'm not stuck in the past and I'm not 100% anti red. But I'm 100% behind making sure that our new successful brand embraces Cardiff City as a club, City and group of great fans when trying to appeal to a wider maybe world wide audience.

Ps: keep taking that blue scarf mate

There is always room for compromise and I hope the lobbyist are still there advising VT as we were promised when the rebrand was launched.

We might have to accept a few more uncomfortable changes over the next few years but I would hope that assurances will be given that once the Cardiff City Far East project is a success thought is given to bringing back subtle parts of our heritage whether that's the Welsh Dragon, the Bluebird or the Blue kit.

We have to run with this rebrand thing for now because we have no other opition. But as I have already said I think we should think ahead and leave room for changing back at a later date.

Respect your opinions, but sorry don't 100% agree with them. Agree we need to change to progress (and Im open to it) and yes there has been a definite change in opinion since Tuesday. The point is, there is room for both, we can progress whilst still respecting our heritage. There is no need to wipe it all completely away. This is not a Blue vs Red, Us vs Them situation, there's room for both.

May be there is room for our hertiage (I assume you are talking about the Bluebird staying on the badge?) as well as a rebrand to boost our profile in the Far East.

Whoever is right is frankly imaterial because the only opinion that counts is VT's because he is the one paying the bills.

Don't forget mind Tony that just because he is paying the bills does not give VT the right to anything and everything.You must also remember that us fans are also helping to pay the bills and therefore we have rights also.

I take your point but there are several ways of looking at that and one of them is that VT is subsidising our season/match day entrance fees by providing additional funding.

If we were paying for everything then it is pretty dam certain season tickets wouldn’t cost between £329/379 in the Ninian Stand but more like £829/£879.

So while he is doing that then surely he has the right to call the shots.

Tan deserves to call some shots yes but not everything. We still deserve a say though for our contribution.

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

Well put.

Let's use a much abused phrase from this forum and say "being honest" isn't our heritage one of failure or just falling short at the finishing line?

And that is CCFC at its best because at its worst the heritage is one of falling down stadiums, small crowds and high court winding up orders.

I’ll admit that I did feel a touch of sadness on Tuesday night but it was nothing compared to the numerous sadness’s I have had when seeing this great club relegated to the dungeon divisions over the years.

Like so many others I have done the hard years now in the twilight of my life I would love to see Cardiff City finally establish itself as one of the top 5 clubs in the UK. That heritage is almost within touching distance and I’ll be dammed if I’ll let sentiment get in the way.

Well said sir