Very interesting statement by Mike Morris CCMB

Sorry Mike I could not put a link to this as you had written it in a topic to do with something else.

Mike Morris CCMB http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... id=1&rid=0

Mike Morris wrote

The club will not say **** all unless it's pro Tan.

VT has put forward the ideas but the gun is fired by those in CF11.

They are pleasing the boss by going out of their way to deliver his wishes. Just look at the pic of the directors box in Jon Candy's images.

Some real Bluebirds in there, dyed in the wool Cardiff City fans who have put their jobs/investment before common sense and history. And all wearing a red scarf!

If I was in their place and had a family to feed I would be in the same dilemma so i have sympathy for them but they have chosen the buck over the Bluebird. I don't think any one of them believe it's right.

Let's not kid ourselves. This is one mans vision and through his money and power he has the staff bending over backwards to please his wishes.

Those who questioned his ideas are no longer employed.

The Cardiff Dragons / Cardiff Malaysia is not far away. Even if the FL do not sanction a name change all it will take is the club to persist with the new name in their press releases and website statements for it to stick.

If they tell the press it's the Cardiff Dragons it won't take long to become the norm.

If VT says that what it is then that's what it is.

We are becoming Cardiff/Malyasia as an advertising arm of the Tan empire. How much must Berjaya et al spend in advertising worldwide? Millions, and more.

So what better than your name splashed all over the TV with Premier League football. His £100m loan* is maybe 6 months advertising budget.

*and so far a loan is all it is

and for that his bigger empire is shown worldwide and through the flags and shirt sposorship his individual standing goes up a level or two back in Malaysia.

The traditional fans are not the future. For every 100 who are walking away there are 1000 willing to take their place.

Wise up people.

Resistance is futile.

Tan's vision is to maximise Cardiff City for his benefit not ours.

For some, Premier League football in red and as a franchised entity is acceptable collateral.

At least Sam gave us the choice of what version of the St David's cross we'd have to accept. The current owners have the club by the balls so tight they will do anything, and i mean anything.

The offical propaganda channels are quite incredible. Free scarves, photos of fans with scarves, free season tickets, superstore press releases of all red merchandise and the glorifying of an alien colour to Cardiff City fans. The official website and superstore blazing red. Official pics from Tuesday showing only people wearing scarves where all season they have shown action pics from games.

As far as association football in the UK is concerned we have become a test case. Many other teams are laughing at us but put in the same position would they accept it?

Please. see it for what it is. Then make your mind up and decide to support on their terms, take from it what you can on your terms or stick two fingers up to it and walk away.

So IYHO what do you suggest we do Annis?

This is all just rumours and propaganda

So IYHO what do you suggest we do Annis?

NOBODY should do anything that affects the stability of the club and playing staff until the end of the season - maybe then will be the time.

Just enjoy the ride to the Premiership first - that's what everyone should eb concentrating on - in the background away from the media you can plan you day(s) of action etc etc etc.

Do we have a 'sit on the fence' smillie?

Spot on and exactly my opinion for the very start.

Advertising his companies is exactly the aim. One stint in the prem and he has his money's worth. Then he can leave us to rot and walk away knowing that he has had his return.

There will be nothing left of the club after relegation, he won't continue to foot the bill of a club losing millions as his brand won't be seen that much in the championship hence why he wanted the tv channel, incase we didn't go up.

He's a crook and everyone is going to be sorry they didnt stand up for the club when they had the chance.

This is all just rumours and propaganda

Hmmm not sure, it certainly is a very interesting. I don't think they will go as far as he says but the link is certainly growing and he is probably cashing in on free advertising, I don't think it will go as far as Cardiff/Malaysia but I reckon we are stuck with red and I can see the stadium being called something like the Malaysian Stadium........

This is all just rumours and propaganda

That is clearly the way it is going though . There was no mention of city on those f*cking scarfs whilst it was a red bird

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

Meaning what exactly? The vast majority of people voted George Bush to be president of the United States.

The vast majority of people are idiots that are unable to think for themselves.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

Meaning what exactly? The vast majority of people voted George Bush to be president of the United States.

I take it you don't believe in democracy then?

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

Meaning what exactly? The vast majority of people voted George Bush to be president of the United States.

I take it you don't believe in democracy then?

Of course I do. However I don't believe the majority are more of a guide to what is right than the minority. Ghandi once said the truth can be present in a minority of 1.

The minority of people are university educated.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

Meaning what exactly? The vast majority of people voted George Bush to be president of the United States.

I take it you don't believe in democracy then?

Tuesday night showed people like a free scarf . That is it . If tan had any decency he would send a survey out to all season ticket holders . It should ask a few straight questions regarding preference for kit colour and badge . Season tickets have sold out so that would be a fair way of gauging support for his rebrand .

I believe it's up to us fans to keep everything going,it's up to the press to call us the dragons but as long as we keep saying city,lets not let it stick,same as the colour blue if us fans keep wearing it,it will never die,come on city fans lets not just fade away,lets keep cardiff city in some way blue,keep singing bluebirds,its up to us to keep our identity alive,no one else

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

The vast majority of Germans believed in Hitler. People will believe all sorts of shit when you promise them things will be amazing, give them free stuff and sweet coat over all the real issues. The human race is inherently dumb.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

The vast majority of Germans believed in Hitler. People will believe all sorts of shit when you promise them things will be amazing, give them free stuff and sweet coat over all the real issues. The human race is inherently dumb.

Spot on.

Intresting that two of the most heartfelt posts about the rebrand came within a couple of hours of each other on a friday night. Both were posted on the two main ccfc message boards by the people who own them.

Whether you agree with the two messages posted or not is in my veiw slightly irelevant. It cannot be denied that both have men have supported the club for many years, thats not to say you should agree with their views, it should be everyones club, and no voice should be more important than the other, but just reading the tone and emotion in both messages has got to tell you, if you agree with the changes imposed on the club or not, its hard to not to come to the conclusion that the rebrand is tearing our most loyal fan base apart.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

The vast majority of Germans believed in Hitler. People will believe all sorts of shit when you promise them things will be amazing, give them free stuff and sweet coat over all the real issues. The human race is inherently dumb.

So you clearly don't believe in democracy then.

The 1930's in Germany took the same approach as you and opposed democracy - the next thing that happened was that the people who opposed Hitler were persecuted - its highly questionable that the vast majority truly believed in him by the way, as opposed to being forced to do so, as democracy was suspended after 1933.

The parallel with our situation is clearly not made out, as everyone at CCFC is able to voice their opinions freely as evidenced by all the vitriol against VT on the mb's over the last few days.

ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

The vast majority of Germans believed in Hitler. People will believe all sorts of shit when you promise them things will be amazing, give them free stuff and sweet coat over all the real issues. The human race is inherently dumb.

So you clearly don't believe in democracy then.

The 1930's in Germany took the same approach as you and opposed democracy - the next thing that happened was that the people who opposed Hitler were persecuted - its highly questionable that the vast majority truly believed in him by the way, as opposed to being forced to do so, as democracy was suspended after 1933.

The parallel with our situation is clearly not made out, as everyone at CCFC is able to voice their opinions freely as evidenced by all the vitriol against VT on the mb's over the last few days.

Well that's not what he's saying at all. He is making the point that people are entitled to vote or to have an opinion, but the majority voting outcome doesn't mean it's the correct outcome.

For someone who seems to love democracy, you ain't half backing the wrong man in Tan

Sorry Mike I could not put a link to this as you had written it in a topic to do with something else.

Mike Morris CCMB http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... id=1&rid=0

Mike Morris wrote

The club will not say **** all unless it's pro Tan.

VT has put forward the ideas but the gun is fired by those in CF11.

They are pleasing the boss by going out of their way to deliver his wishes. Just look at the pic of the directors box in Jon Candy's images.

Some real Bluebirds in there, dyed in the wool Cardiff City fans who have put their jobs/investment before common sense and history. And all wearing a red scarf!

If I was in their place and had a family to feed I would be in the same dilemma so i have sympathy for them but they have chosen the buck over the Bluebird. I don't think any one of them believe it's right.

Let's not kid ourselves. This is one mans vision and through his money and power he has the staff bending over backwards to please his wishes.

Those who questioned his ideas are no longer employed.

The Cardiff Dragons / Cardiff Malaysia is not far away. Even if the FL do not sanction a name change all it will take is the club to persist with the new name in their press releases and website statements for it to stick.

If they tell the press it's the Cardiff Dragons it won't take long to become the norm.

If VT says that what it is then that's what it is.

We are becoming Cardiff/Malyasia as an advertising arm of the Tan empire. How much must Berjaya et al spend in advertising worldwide? Millions, and more.

So what better than your name splashed all over the TV with Premier League football. His £100m loan* is maybe 6 months advertising budget.

*and so far a loan is all it is

and for that his bigger empire is shown worldwide and through the flags and shirt sposorship his individual standing goes up a level or two back in Malaysia.

The traditional fans are not the future. For every 100 who are walking away there are 1000 willing to take their place.

Wise up people.

Resistance is futile.

Tan's vision is to maximise Cardiff City for his benefit not ours.

For some, Premier League football in red and as a franchised entity is acceptable collateral.

At least Sam gave us the choice of what version of the St David's cross we'd have to accept. The current owners have the club by the balls so tight they will do anything, and i mean anything.

The offical propaganda channels are quite incredible. Free scarves, photos of fans with scarves, free season tickets, superstore press releases of all red merchandise and the glorifying of an alien colour to Cardiff City fans. The official website and superstore blazing red. Official pics from Tuesday showing only people wearing scarves where all season they have shown action pics from games.

As far as association football in the UK is concerned we have become a test case. Many other teams are laughing at us but put in the same position would they accept it?

Please. see it for what it is. Then make your mind up and decide to support on their terms, take from it what you can on your terms or stick two fingers up to it and walk away.

I dont understand how people are following this change?
Everyone I know and people who i'm coming across on a daily basis all disagree with this.
As someone who is currently studying business himself and know a lot of people high up in business you can see whats happening,
Money is a powerful thing, but we could stand up to this.

What do these guys really know?

Something bigger is up?

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

The vast majority of Germans believed in Hitler. People will believe all sorts of shit when you promise them things will be amazing, give them free stuff and sweet coat over all the real issues. The human race is inherently dumb.

So you clearly don't believe in democracy then.

The 1930's in Germany took the same approach as you and opposed democracy - the next thing that happened was that the people who opposed Hitler were persecuted - its highly questionable that the vast majority truly believed in him by the way, as opposed to being forced to do so, as democracy was suspended after 1933.

The parallel with our situation is clearly not made out, as everyone at CCFC is able to voice their opinions freely as evidenced by all the vitriol against VT on the mb's over the last few days.

Well that's not what he's saying at all. He is making the point that people are entitled to vote or to have an opinion, but the majority voting outcome doesn't mean it's the correct outcome.

For someone who seems to love democracy, you ain't half backing the wrong man in Tan

But surely democracy means that the minority accept what the majority vote for?

I may not want the Tories in power, but if that's what the majority vote for, as a democrat, I have to accept it.

Our fan base showed overwhelmingly on Tuesday night that they are certainly not actively opposed to the red, and the vast majority were happy to wear the red scarves.

Last edited by Die Walkure on Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:51 am, edited 1 time in total.

If the club is in the premiership then the blue fans like myself will just have to accept the change if we want to carry on supporting the team because of the sheer number of people who would be willing to take our place. Those that wear blue like myself will eventually be seen as an eccentric old guard but hopefully still accepted at the club. The only problem comes if we do something like Wolves are on the verge of doing and get a double relegation. The core fans who would still go but have been alienated won't be there and neither will those new fans enticed by the chance of premiership football. Our league 1 crowds would probably be half of what they were last time.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

The vast majority of Germans believed in Hitler. People will believe all sorts of shit when you promise them things will be amazing, give them free stuff and sweet coat over all the real issues. The human race is inherently dumb.

So you clearly don't believe in democracy then.

The 1930's in Germany took the same approach as you and opposed democracy - the next thing that happened was that the people who opposed Hitler were persecuted - its highly questionable that the vast majority truly believed in him by the way, as opposed to being forced to do so, as democracy was suspended after 1933.

The parallel with our situation is clearly not made out, as everyone at CCFC is able to voice their opinions freely as evidenced by all the vitriol against VT on the mb's over the last few days.

Well that's not what he's saying at all. He is making the point that people are entitled to vote or to have an opinion, but the majority voting outcome doesn't mean it's the correct outcome.

For someone who seems to love democracy, you ain't half backing the wrong man in Tan

But surely democracy means that the minority accept what the majority vote for?

I may not want the Tories in power, but if that's what the majority vote for, as a democrat, I have to accept it.

Agree with that mate but at the moment people have not been given the chance to choose . It's a ballot paper with one option . It's red or f**k off

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

The vast majority of Germans believed in Hitler. People will believe all sorts of shit when you promise them things will be amazing, give them free stuff and sweet coat over all the real issues. The human race is inherently dumb.

So you clearly don't believe in democracy then.

The 1930's in Germany took the same approach as you and opposed democracy - the next thing that happened was that the people who opposed Hitler were persecuted - its highly questionable that the vast majority truly believed in him by the way, as opposed to being forced to do so, as democracy was suspended after 1933.

The parallel with our situation is clearly not made out, as everyone at CCFC is able to voice their opinions freely as evidenced by all the vitriol against VT on the mb's over the last few days.

Well that's not what he's saying at all. He is making the point that people are entitled to vote or to have an opinion, but the majority voting outcome doesn't mean it's the correct outcome.

For someone who seems to love democracy, you ain't half backing the wrong man in Tan

But surely democracy means that the minority accept what the majority vote for?

I may not want the Tories in power, but if that's what the majority vote for, as a democrat, i have to accept it.

Nobody is stopping the reds from supporting the club are they? If the Labour Party wins an election it doesn't mean plaid Cymru all become labour, they continue to lobby for what they represent.

To be an advocate of democracy and support a dictator just because others feel they must is astounding.

If the club is in the premiership then the blue fans like myself will just have to accept the change if we want to carry on supporting the team because of the sheer number of people who would be willing to take our place. Those that wear blue like myself will eventually be seen as an eccentric old guard but hopefully still accepted at the club. The only problem comes if we do something like Wolves are on the verge of doing and get a double relegation. The core fans who would still go but have been alienated won't be there and neither will those new fans enticed by the chance of premiership football. Our league 1 crowds would probably be half of what they were last time.

I agree with what you've said here.

I will always accept people who want to continue to wear blue to matches - all I ask for in return is that those of us who are proud to wear our new colours are also treated with respect.

If we did have a double relegation, I'd still be there supporting the club as I always have done, but you may be right about some of the newer supporters.

I'm fed up to the back teeth of all this anti VT stuff!

The vast majority are in support of VT as shown on Tuesday night.

The vast majority of Germans believed in Hitler. People will believe all sorts of shit when you promise them things will be amazing, give them free stuff and sweet coat over all the real issues. The human race is inherently dumb.

So you clearly don't believe in democracy then.

The 1930's in Germany took the same approach as you and opposed democracy - the next thing that happened was that the people who opposed Hitler were persecuted - its highly questionable that the vast majority truly believed in him by the way, as opposed to being forced to do so, as democracy was suspended after 1933.

The parallel with our situation is clearly not made out, as everyone at CCFC is able to voice their opinions freely as evidenced by all the vitriol against VT on the mb's over the last few days.

Well that's not what he's saying at all. He is making the point that people are entitled to vote or to have an opinion, but the majority voting outcome doesn't mean it's the correct outcome.

For someone who seems to love democracy, you ain't half backing the wrong man in Tan

But surely democracy means that the minority accept what the majority vote for?

I may not want the Tories in power, but if that's what the majority vote for, as a democrat, i have to accept it.

Nobody is stopping the reds from supporting the club are they? If the Labour Party wins an election it doesn't mean plaid Cymru all become labour, they continue to lobby for what they represent.

To be an advocate of democracy and support a dictator just because others feel they must is astounding.

That's all well and good, and to lobby for a change back is fine - all I'm saying is that people need to accept that if the majority do not support that position, they will have to live with that - perhaps that's what you were saying, and if I've misunderstood you, I apologise.

Last edited by Die Walkure on Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:58 am, edited 1 time in total.

If the club is in the premiership then the blue fans like myself will just have to accept the change if we want to carry on supporting the team because of the sheer number of people who would be willing to take our place. Those that wear blue like myself will eventually be seen as an eccentric old guard but hopefully still accepted at the club. The only problem comes if we do something like Wolves are on the verge of doing and get a double relegation. The core fans who would still go but have been alienated won't be there and neither will those new fans enticed by the chance of premiership football. Our league 1 crowds would probably be half of what they were last time.

I agree with what you've said here.

I will always accept people who want to continue to wear blue to matches - all I ask for in return is that those of us who are proud to wear our new colours are also treated with respect.

If we did have a double relegation, I'd still be there supporting the club as I always have done, but you may be right about some of the newer supporters.

You are PROUD to wear red?

If the club is in the premiership then the blue fans like myself will just have to accept the change if we want to carry on supporting the team because of the sheer number of people who would be willing to take our place. Those that wear blue like myself will eventually be seen as an eccentric old guard but hopefully still accepted at the club. The only problem comes if we do something like Wolves are on the verge of doing and get a double relegation. The core fans who would still go but have been alienated won't be there and neither will those new fans enticed by the chance of premiership football. Our league 1 crowds would probably be half of what they were last time.

I agree with what you've said here.

I will always accept people who want to continue to wear blue to matches - all I ask for in return is that those of us who are proud to wear our new colours are also treated with respect.

If we did have a double relegation, I'd still be there supporting the club as I always have done, but you may be right about some of the newer supporters.

You are PROUD to wear red?

YES, because those are my club colours now.

I have also been proud to wear blue over the years when they were our club club colours.

Supporting the team is the key thing for me, and we play in red now.

I am in no way anti blue, but will not wear it again untill all this nonsense stops, as to do so would give the impresssion of supporting all this anti VT stuff.

Wow