Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:51 pm
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Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:37 am
Bluebina wrote:
How about thisbye bye Michael
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02 ... 39181.html
Time for Avram Grant
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:41 am
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:47 am
HeFilmsTheClouds wrote:Yes if not paying off your creditors the right amount of money is the best way of running a club. They are doing well currently but people forget their administration days and all the bad things they have done. Let's just sweep that under the rug if it doesn't suit the agenda. Mind you that is the British mentality. The government has been sweeping bad moments in British history for years.
All the best in the biggest game in your clubs history. Laudrup said it, not me.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:24 am
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:28 am
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:41 am
murphy wrote:Yes, I'm sure the good folk who lost their jobs over a scum club will agree how we'll of a run club SCFC are. They will never forget, same as I wouldn't if I got tucked up.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:54 am
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:04 pm
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:10 pm
NJ73 wrote:murphy wrote:Yes, I'm sure the good folk who lost their jobs over a scum club will agree how we'll of a run club SCFC are. They will never forget, same as I wouldn't if I got tucked up.
Did people lose their job then Murph?
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:15 pm
Paxman wrote:Swansea finished the 46 games league as the third best team coming 3rd. They convincingly beat Nottingham forest with 10 men for half the tie and then convincingly beat Reading in the final (doing he treble over them that year). There was nothing lucky about it. 3 clubs go up and the teams placed 1st 2nd and 3rd did.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:27 pm
Lawnmower wrote:Paxman wrote:Swansea finished the 46 games league as the third best team coming 3rd. They convincingly beat Nottingham forest with 10 men for half the tie and then convincingly beat Reading in the final (doing he treble over them that year). There was nothing lucky about it. 3 clubs go up and the teams placed 1st 2nd and 3rd did.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
I must be a moron then.
Still I thought the first game was a draw, with Tate getting away with a clear handball on the goal-line - the incident I referred to which would have changed the whole tie.. and they were 1-up with Forest hitting the post before they sealed it in injury time.
As against us with the backbone of our side and both our keepers out.
Still you have only just appeared so you are probably a jack anyway.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:27 pm
murphy wrote:NJ73 wrote:murphy wrote:Yes, I'm sure the good folk who lost their jobs over a scum club will agree how we'll of a run club SCFC are. They will never forget, same as I wouldn't if I got tucked up.
Did people lose their job then Murph?
I'm lead to believe that small business's went bust because of your scum club, so that means the employee's would have found themselves jobless.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:31 pm
Lawnmower wrote:
Wow, insightful![]()
No mention of 2 admins (one involving the current owners/board), the chairman fecking his own creditors over for £430k putting Casey's - his own business through, or the free stadium .
Swansea have done really well, but could they have done it saddled with millions of historic debt (which we've had for 40 years at some level or other) and a £30m bill for their stadium (costs our club had to take).
One decision by a ref at the City Ground the wrong way and the story would have been different -best players out of contract, a loss to be covered (even you admitted there was a loss without the bonuses) and loan to be repaid to Morgan, at least one further player would have to be sold and the budget cut for next season without the NET £2m (you were actually one of the biggest NET spenders on transfer fees) which was made available to bring in players the season before and it would have been a tough 3rd season in the Championship.
You rode your luck, but everyone who goes up via the play-offs (including ourselves at the MS does) and that's the way it goes, fair play you took your chance -better than we have ! But there are an awful lot of people commenting who don't know half the story.
It would have been different for us as well had it not been for Bothroyd's injury at Wembley, or even Hudson, Bellamy, Heaton, Marshall and McPhail being injured for the reading games.
Even you and your one-eye have to admit that.
The guy is a journo, not a football finance expert - and it shows. I'm surprised also that Norwich haven't been mentioned as they have performed miracles, almost wiping out their £30m-£40m debt in 2 seasons.
'Swissramble' is complimentary - and fairly so, but far more balanced and clearly has the knowledge and facts to back up his article.
http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2011/ ... -time.html
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:40 pm
glory wrote:murphy wrote:NJ73 wrote:murphy wrote:Yes, I'm sure the good folk who lost their jobs over a scum club will agree how we'll of a run club SCFC are. They will never forget, same as I wouldn't if I got tucked up.
Did people lose their job then Murph?
I'm lead to believe that small business's went bust because of your scum club, so that means the employee's would have found themselves jobless.
Name one company that went to the wall.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:42 pm
steve davies wrote:glory wrote:murphy wrote:NJ73 wrote:murphy wrote:Yes, I'm sure the good folk who lost their jobs over a scum club will agree how we'll of a run club SCFC are. They will never forget, same as I wouldn't if I got tucked up.
Did people lose their job then Murph?
I'm lead to believe that small business's went bust because of your scum club, so that means the employee's would have found themselves jobless.
Name one company that went to the wall.
did you know that jenkins was renting the unit caseys was based in of a cardiff city director. jenkins did a moonlight flit without paying rent, securing the property etc and now has his new business set up in the liberty stadium.
whatever good he has done for swansea and he has done lots of good for swansea as far as his personal affairs are concerned the guy is a cnut of the highest order.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:59 pm
Lawnmower wrote:
Wow, insightful![]()
No mention of 2 admins (one involving the current owners/board), the chairman fecking his own creditors over for £430k putting Casey's - his own business through, or the free stadium .
Swansea have done really well, but could they have done it saddled with millions of historic debt (which we've had for 40 years at some level or other) and a £30m bill for their stadium (costs our club had to take).
One decision by a ref at the City Ground the wrong way and the story would have been different -best players out of contract, a loss to be covered (even you admitted there was a loss without the bonuses) and loan to be repaid to Morgan, at least one further player would have to be sold and the budget cut for next season without the NET £2m (you were actually one of the biggest NET spenders on transfer fees) which was made available to bring in players the season before and it would have been a tough 3rd season in the Championship.
You rode your luck, but everyone who goes up via the play-offs (including ourselves at the MS does) and that's the way it goes, fair play you took your chance -better than we have ! But there are an awful lot of people commenting who don't know half the story.
It would have been different for us as well had it not been for Bothroyd's injury at Wembley, or even Hudson, Bellamy, Heaton, Marshall and McPhail being injured for the reading games.
Even you and your one-eye have to admit that.
The guy is a journo, not a football finance expert - and it shows. I'm surprised also that Norwich haven't been mentioned as they have performed miracles, almost wiping out their £30m-£40m debt in 2 seasons.
'Swissramble' is complimentary - and fairly so, but far more balanced and clearly has the knowledge and facts to back up his article.
http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2011/ ... -time.html
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:03 pm
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:27 pm
Paxman wrote:So to judge how a business is being run it should be judged on how another person ran it over a decade ago?
Sorry that's nonsense.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:33 pm
Gareth (Wilts) wrote:Paxman wrote:So to judge how a business is being run it should be judged on how another person ran it over a decade ago?
Sorry that's nonsense.
No one can deny that they are now well run. You cannot tell me that they would be in the prem league had they taken the option of paying the debts rather than CVA. The fact that Swansea and Leicester plus several others used CVA as a way to screw creditors resulted in points deductions being introduced. It is morally wrong and the media need to remember this when being complimentary about the vermin.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:01 pm
Paxman wrote:Lawnmower wrote:Paxman wrote:Swansea finished the 46 games league as the third best team coming 3rd. They convincingly beat Nottingham forest with 10 men for half the tie and then convincingly beat Reading in the final (doing he treble over them that year). There was nothing lucky about it. 3 clubs go up and the teams placed 1st 2nd and 3rd did.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
I must be a moron then.
Still I thought the first game was a draw, with Tate getting away with a clear handball on the goal-line - the incident I referred to which would have changed the whole tie.. and they were 1-up with Forest hitting the post before they sealed it in injury time.
As against us with the backbone of our side and both our keepers out.
Still you have only just appeared so you are probably a jack anyway.
Seems that way yes. I have no idea why you are mentioning hitting the post. How is that lucky or unlucky? There could have been no goal keeper in there and it still wouldn't have been a goal, it was not in target - that isn't lucky that's inaccuracy. It could be argued that Neil Taylor shouldn't have been sent off in the opening minute of that match or whatever it was.
Over the course of the two legs they both had 14 shots on target with Swansea having 10 men for 80 odd minutes and Swansea being far the more clinical which is why they finished above the in the league in the first place.
Luck is an excuse for the moronic.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:04 pm
Paxman wrote:Gareth (Wilts) wrote:Paxman wrote:So to judge how a business is being run it should be judged on how another person ran it over a decade ago?
Sorry that's nonsense.
No one can deny that they are now well run. You cannot tell me that they would be in the prem league had they taken the option of paying the debts rather than CVA. The fact that Swansea and Leicester plus several others used CVA as a way to screw creditors resulted in points deductions being introduced. It is morally wrong and the media need to remember this when being complimentary about the vermin.
It wasn't an option. They couldn't. A bit like our situation but we have taken loan after loan after loan that we know we can't pay back just to satisfy it - otherwise we would have had to sell all our players for peanuts. It's certainly not the easy option as some like to think. Weren't they left with around 5 professionals on the books and didnt sign anyone for a fee for years?
If I was going to apply for uni they would look at my grades I achieved in my a levels not what I achieved 10 years previous when I was 7 years old.
They are doing well.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:55 pm
Lawnmower wrote:Paxman wrote:Gareth (Wilts) wrote:Paxman wrote:So to judge how a business is being run it should be judged on how another person ran it over a decade ago?
Sorry that's nonsense.
No one can deny that they are now well run. You cannot tell me that they would be in the prem league had they taken the option of paying the debts rather than CVA. The fact that Swansea and Leicester plus several others used CVA as a way to screw creditors resulted in points deductions being introduced. It is morally wrong and the media need to remember this when being complimentary about the vermin.
It wasn't an option. They couldn't. A bit like our situation but we have taken loan after loan after loan that we know we can't pay back just to satisfy it - otherwise we would have had to sell all our players for peanuts. It's certainly not the easy option as some like to think. Weren't they left with around 5 professionals on the books and didnt sign anyone for a fee for years?
If I was going to apply for uni they would look at my grades I achieved in my a levels not what I achieved 10 years previous when I was 7 years old.
They are doing well.
17 years old.
I've been running my businesses since before you were born.
Says it all - come back when you've experienced some life.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:57 pm
Lawnmower wrote:Paxman wrote:Lawnmower wrote:Paxman wrote:Swansea finished the 46 games league as the third best team coming 3rd. They convincingly beat Nottingham forest with 10 men for half the tie and then convincingly beat Reading in the final (doing he treble over them that year). There was nothing lucky about it. 3 clubs go up and the teams placed 1st 2nd and 3rd did.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
I must be a moron then.
Still I thought the first game was a draw, with Tate getting away with a clear handball on the goal-line - the incident I referred to which would have changed the whole tie.. and they were 1-up with Forest hitting the post before they sealed it in injury time.
As against us with the backbone of our side and both our keepers out.
Still you have only just appeared so you are probably a jack anyway.
Seems that way yes. I have no idea why you are mentioning hitting the post. How is that lucky or unlucky? There could have been no goal keeper in there and it still wouldn't have been a goal, it was not in target - that isn't lucky that's inaccuracy. It could be argued that Neil Taylor shouldn't have been sent off in the opening minute of that match or whatever it was.
Over the course of the two legs they both had 14 shots on target with Swansea having 10 men for 80 odd minutes and Swansea being far the more clinical which is why they finished above the in the league in the first place.
Luck is an excuse for the moronic.
F'ck me, you couldn't even get the result right, yet you call someone else a moron.
Football is dominated by luck, and we've had our fair share at times, like Leicester away this year, and Leicester home in the play-offs (Chopra penalty)just not when it mattered in the past few seasons. Only a stupid Jack troll who thinks he's clever but can't get his facts right would say otherwise.
Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:05 pm
NJ73 wrote:Lawnmower wrote:Paxman wrote:Lawnmower wrote:Paxman wrote:Swansea finished the 46 games league as the third best team coming 3rd. They convincingly beat Nottingham forest with 10 men for half the tie and then convincingly beat Reading in the final (doing he treble over them that year). There was nothing lucky about it. 3 clubs go up and the teams placed 1st 2nd and 3rd did.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
I must be a moron then.
Still I thought the first game was a draw, with Tate getting away with a clear handball on the goal-line - the incident I referred to which would have changed the whole tie.. and they were 1-up with Forest hitting the post before they sealed it in injury time.
As against us with the backbone of our side and both our keepers out.
Still you have only just appeared so you are probably a jack anyway.
Seems that way yes. I have no idea why you are mentioning hitting the post. How is that lucky or unlucky? There could have been no goal keeper in there and it still wouldn't have been a goal, it was not in target - that isn't lucky that's inaccuracy. It could be argued that Neil Taylor shouldn't have been sent off in the opening minute of that match or whatever it was.
Over the course of the two legs they both had 14 shots on target with Swansea having 10 men for 80 odd minutes and Swansea being far the more clinical which is why they finished above the in the league in the first place.
Luck is an excuse for the moronic.
F'ck me, you couldn't even get the result right, yet you call someone else a moron.
Football is dominated by luck, and we've had our fair share at times, like Leicester away this year, and Leicester home in the play-offs (Chopra penalty)just not when it mattered in the past few seasons. Only a stupid Jack troll who thinks he's clever but can't get his facts right would say otherwise.
Where has he got the result wrong?
Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:16 pm
Lawnmower wrote:NJ73 wrote:Lawnmower wrote:Paxman wrote:Lawnmower wrote:Paxman wrote:Swansea finished the 46 games league as the third best team coming 3rd. They convincingly beat Nottingham forest with 10 men for half the tie and then convincingly beat Reading in the final (doing he treble over them that year). There was nothing lucky about it. 3 clubs go up and the teams placed 1st 2nd and 3rd did.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.
I must be a moron then.
Still I thought the first game was a draw, with Tate getting away with a clear handball on the goal-line - the incident I referred to which would have changed the whole tie.. and they were 1-up with Forest hitting the post before they sealed it in injury time.
As against us with the backbone of our side and both our keepers out.
Still you have only just appeared so you are probably a jack anyway.
Seems that way yes. I have no idea why you are mentioning hitting the post. How is that lucky or unlucky? There could have been no goal keeper in there and it still wouldn't have been a goal, it was not in target - that isn't lucky that's inaccuracy. It could be argued that Neil Taylor shouldn't have been sent off in the opening minute of that match or whatever it was.
Over the course of the two legs they both had 14 shots on target with Swansea having 10 men for 80 odd minutes and Swansea being far the more clinical which is why they finished above the in the league in the first place.
Luck is an excuse for the moronic.
F'ck me, you couldn't even get the result right, yet you call someone else a moron.
Football is dominated by luck, and we've had our fair share at times, like Leicester away this year, and Leicester home in the play-offs (Chopra penalty)just not when it mattered in the past few seasons. Only a stupid Jack troll who thinks he's clever but can't get his facts right would say otherwise.
Where has he got the result wrong?
Above in bold. It was a draw when you played at Forest and had the man sent off.
The 2nd game was a narrow win, as described but the first game wasn't and had the ref spotted the handball everyone else saw then it would have been a loss, maybe by more than 1 as you would have had 9 men -with 2 defenders suspended for the 2nd half.
Even Forest's manager bemoaned his luck.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9488001.stm
Everyone knows there is a huge amount of luck in football especially at this level when things are so close -difference is you a. got it at the right time and b. took advantage of it.
We didn't.
We've had a fair bit this year so maybe...
.They convincingly beat Nottingham forest with 10 men for half the tie
Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:43 pm
.They convincingly beat Nottingham forest with 10 men for half the tie
Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:53 pm
Lawnmower wrote:I must be a moron then.
Still I thought the first game was a draw, with Tate getting away with a clear handball on the goal-line - the incident I referred to which would have changed the whole tie.. and they were 1-up with Forest hitting the post before they sealed it in injury time.
As against us with the backbone of our side and both our keepers out.
Still you have only just appeared so you are probably a jack anyway.
.They convincingly beat Nottingham forest with 10 men for half the tie