ABUSE AND NAME CALLING

I find it strange that we are told not to name call or abuse etc. but it seems that only applies if you call the so called anti rebranders anything, however it's open season on those that have stuck with the club it appears.
Perhaps it's one rule for one side and another rule for the others Mmmmmmmmmmmm

This was posted and is still on as the original [post by the twelth man and in my opinion is way over the mark,but there you go Mmmmmmmmmmm.


If you wore a red scarf tonight then you are a complete and utter plastic DISGRACE to Cardiff City, please f**k off and never come back. I don't want to debate anything with you, your acceptance of the rebrand has killed something that I once loved more than almost anything else.

Tonight was the final straw. I hope all the pro red supporters are very happy with the current state of Cardiff City.

WANKERS

Why i said he wont sell many shirts with his post.

Agree with that.I saw that post and bit my tongue because if I ever laid into the Blue Only brigade like that then I wouldn't last long.Some of the shit posted on here about Tan is indefensible.

I find it strange that we are told not to name call or abuse etc. but it seems that only applies if you call the so called anti rebranders anything, however it's open season on those that have stuck with the club it appears.
Perhaps it's one rule for one side and another rule for the others Mmmmmmmmmmmm

This was posted and is still on as the original [post by the twelth man and in my opinion is way over the mark,but there you go Mmmmmmmmmmm.


If you wore a red scarf tonight then you are a complete and utter plastic DISGRACE to Cardiff City, please f**k off and never come back. I don't want to debate anything with you, your acceptance of the rebrand has killed something that I once loved more than almost anything else.

Tonight was the final straw. I hope all the pro red supporters are very happy with the current state of Cardiff City.

WANKERS

But yet going to a KCB meeting and making threats was well below the mark. Stop moaning.

In all fairness he has not targeted any individual and his comments are more general in nature so how this can upset someone like you Gwyn is beyond me considering the comments that you have aimed at individuals in the past.
It is more interesting to note however that you Gwyn have chosen to pick on the pro blue side again even though there is most probably an equal amount of comment made by the red side and if you were not so blinkered then you could easily find several examples.

I find it strange that we are told not to name call or abuse etc. but it seems that only applies if you call the so called anti rebranders anything, however it's open season on those that have stuck with the club it appears.
Perhaps it's one rule for one side and another rule for the others Mmmmmmmmmmmm

This was posted and is still on as the original [post by the twelth man and in my opinion is way over the mark,but there you go Mmmmmmmmmmm.


If you wore a red scarf tonight then you are a complete and utter plastic DISGRACE to Cardiff City, please f**k off and never come back. I don't want to debate anything with you, your acceptance of the rebrand has killed something that I once loved more than almost anything else.

Tonight was the final straw. I hope all the pro red supporters are very happy with the current state of Cardiff City.

WANKERS

OK Gwyn there is certainly some colourful language in there but to me it indicates that the poster now knows he has lost the argument over the rebrand issue.

May be that's why it seems as though the anti-rebranders are allowed to 'get away' with abuse as they have more reason to use it now that they have been completely and utterly defeated.

I find it strange that we are told not to name call or abuse etc. but it seems that only applies if you call the so called anti rebranders anything, however it's open season on those that have stuck with the club it appears.
Perhaps it's one rule for one side and another rule for the others Mmmmmmmmmmmm

This was posted and is still on as the original [post by the twelth man and in my opinion is way over the mark,but there you go Mmmmmmmmmmm.


If you wore a red scarf tonight then you are a complete and utter plastic DISGRACE to Cardiff City, please f**k off and never come back. I don't want to debate anything with you, your acceptance of the rebrand has killed something that I once loved more than almost anything else.

Tonight was the final straw. I hope all the pro red supporters are very happy with the current state of Cardiff City.

WANKERS

But yet going to a KCB meeting and making threats was well below the mark. Stop moaning.

What threats were those, if you witnessed them then contact the police and they will charge those involved.

In all fairness he has not targeted any individual and his comments are more general in nature so how this can upset someone like you Gwyn is beyond me considering the comments that you have aimed at individuals in the past.
It is more interesting to note however that you Gwyn have chosen to pick on the pro blue side again even though there is most probably an equal amount of comment made by the red side and if you were not so blinkered then you could easily find several examples.

Never made it personal with anyone who is respectful, if people dish it out, then you got to take it back, I'll debate sensibly with anyone all day, those that insult etc do it because they have lost the argument or to thick to articulate clearly.

I wrote out a big response. But you know what it's really not worth the hassle.
Im not a blue or red I'm a "CARDIFF CITY" supporter.

I wrote out a big response. But you know what it's really not worth the hassle.
Im not a blue or red I'm a "CARDIFF CITY" supporter.

Oh dear Milly you sound like one of those confused teenagers who doesn't know if he is Martha or Arthur

I wrote out a big response. But you know what it's really not worth the hassle.
Im not a blue or red I'm a "CARDIFF CITY" supporter.

Wanker

In all fairness he has not targeted any individual and his comments are more general in nature so how this can upset someone like you Gwyn is beyond me considering the comments that you have aimed at individuals in the past.
It is more interesting to note however that you Gwyn have chosen to pick on the pro blue side again even though there is most probably an equal amount of comment made by the red side and if you were not so blinkered then you could easily find several examples.

Never made it personal with anyone who is respectful, if people dish it out, then you got to take it back, I'll debate sensibly with anyone all day, those that insult etc do it because they have lost the argument or to thick to articulate clearly.

On the sensible debate point , unless I missed it you didn`t answer my question on another thread as to what is your personal "trigger point" that would set you against the rebranding (dropping the bluebird , changing from Cardiff City to Cardiff Dragons etc) or don`t you have one?

At the meeting with Simon Lim , like most people there , you told him that CCFC fans would only accept a certain level of rebranding and no more. Have you changed your mind since or is there a point at which you would actively oppose any further rebranding?

Keith

If you are not happy with a post then report it.

Us moderators are not on here 24/7.

I wrote out a big response. But you know what it's really not worth the hassle.
Im not a blue or red I'm a "CARDIFF CITY" supporter.

This has to be the way forward Milly.

Life is too short for arguments, and besides, can anyone now say anything about the re-brand
that has not already been said?

Time to move on.
Just wish I was going to Wolves on Sunday!

Come on City!!

The childish bickering is still going on then!!!
Hurry up and get it over and done with so I can start enjoying the forum again

In all fairness he has not targeted any individual and his comments are more general in nature so how this can upset someone like you Gwyn is beyond me considering the comments that you have aimed at individuals in the past.
It is more interesting to note however that you Gwyn have chosen to pick on the pro blue side again even though there is most probably an equal amount of comment made by the red side and if you were not so blinkered then you could easily find several examples.

Never made it personal with anyone who is respectful, if people dish it out, then you got to take it back, I'll debate sensibly with anyone all day, those that insult etc do it because they have lost the argument or to thick to articulate clearly.

Yes I agree, if you dish it out then you take it back but the thread you started is in relation to a pro blue poster who was making general comments and not on an individual basis so therefore your argument above is redundant.

I wrote out a big response. But you know what it's really not worth the hassle.
Im not a blue or red I'm a "CARDIFF CITY" supporter.

This has to be the way forward Milly.

Life is too short for arguments, and besides, can anyone now say anything about the re-brand
that has not already been said?

Time to move on.
Just wish I was going to Wolves on Sunday!

Come on City!!

I'm glad I've got like minded sensible friends on here like you two.

In all fairness he has not targeted any individual and his comments are more general in nature so how this can upset someone like you Gwyn is beyond me considering the comments that you have aimed at individuals in the past.
It is more interesting to note however that you Gwyn have chosen to pick on the pro blue side again even though there is most probably an equal amount of comment made by the red side and if you were not so blinkered then you could easily find several examples.

Never made it personal with anyone who is respectful, if people dish it out, then you got to take it back, I'll debate sensibly with anyone all day, those that insult etc do it because they have lost the argument or to thick to articulate clearly.

On the sensible debate point , unless I missed it you didn`t answer my question on another thread as to what is your personal "trigger point" that would set you against the rebranding (dropping the bluebird , changing from Cardiff City to Cardiff Dragons etc) or don`t you have one?

At the meeting with Simon Lim , like most people there , you told him that CCFC fans would only accept a certain level of rebranding and no more. Have you changed your mind since or is there a point at which you would actively oppose any further rebranding?

Keith

Yes I did Keith, go and have a look, did it within minutes, I will copy and paste

In all fairness he has not targeted any individual and his comments are more general in nature so how this can upset someone like you Gwyn is beyond me considering the comments that you have aimed at individuals in the past.
It is more interesting to note however that you Gwyn have chosen to pick on the pro blue side again even though there is most probably an equal amount of comment made by the red side and if you were not so blinkered then you could easily find several examples.

Never made it personal with anyone who is respectful, if people dish it out, then you got to take it back, I'll debate sensibly with anyone all day, those that insult etc do it because they have lost the argument or to thick to articulate clearly.

On the sensible debate point , unless I missed it you didn`t answer my question on another thread as to what is your personal "trigger point" that would set you against the rebranding (dropping the bluebird , changing from Cardiff City to Cardiff Dragons etc) or don`t you have one?

At the meeting with Simon Lim , like most people there , you told him that CCFC fans would only accept a certain level of rebranding and no more. Have you changed your mind since or is there a point at which you would actively oppose any further rebranding?

Keith

Here it is copied and pasted, it's still up here and there are replies after it, we'll put it down to your age Keith.



To me it's unanswerable, it would be a bit like asking a father what would it take for you to disown or stop loving your child. is there a tipping point, what if they become a junkie, or pedophile or mass murderer, do you stop loving them, my view is you try and treasure the good times and enjoy them rather than never relax for thinking about what if.

That's the way I try and deal with life, and you for one know I've had much bigger serious things than a colour change to worry about, fed up of the what if what if scenario, for f**k sake what if you get knocked down by a bus tomorrow. Just live your lives and try and enjoy the good times when they are with you, because sometimes you don't appreciate what you got and you don't always get a second chance.

BigGwynram

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I wrote out a big response. But you know what it's really not worth the hassle.
Im not a blue or red I'm a "CARDIFF CITY" supporter.

Most sensible statement ever posted on here, well done

In all fairness he has not targeted any individual and his comments are more general in nature so how this can upset someone like you Gwyn is beyond me considering the comments that you have aimed at individuals in the past.
It is more interesting to note however that you Gwyn have chosen to pick on the pro blue side again even though there is most probably an equal amount of comment made by the red side and if you were not so blinkered then you could easily find several examples.

Never made it personal with anyone who is respectful, if people dish it out, then you got to take it back, I'll debate sensibly with anyone all day, those that insult etc do it because they have lost the argument or to thick to articulate clearly.

On the sensible debate point , unless I missed it you didn`t answer my question on another thread as to what is your personal "trigger point" that would set you against the rebranding (dropping the bluebird , changing from Cardiff City to Cardiff Dragons etc) or don`t you have one?

At the meeting with Simon Lim , like most people there , you told him that CCFC fans would only accept a certain level of rebranding and no more. Have you changed your mind since or is there a point at which you would actively oppose any further rebranding?

Keith

Here it is copied and pasted, it's still up here and there are replies after it, we'll put it down to your age Keith.



To me it's unanswerable, it would be a bit like asking a father what would it take for you to disown or stop loving your child. is there a tipping point, what if they become a junkie, or pedophile or mass murderer, do you stop loving them, my view is you try and treasure the good times and enjoy them rather than never relax for thinking about what if.

That's the way I try and deal with life, and you for one know I've had much bigger serious things than a colour change to worry about, fed up of the what if what if scenario, for f**k sake what if you get knocked down by a bus tomorrow. Just live your lives and try and enjoy the good times when they are with you, because sometimes you don't appreciate what you got and you don't always get a second chance.

BigGwynram

Posts: 4916
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:17 pm

Thanks - I had missed it. As you say , probably down to on my part.

I do think you have slightly swerved away from directly answering my post though.

I know you love the club and I fully understand your point about unconditional love for a child.But the analogy you use is continuing to support a child if say they bacame a junkie (fully agree with that). My question though was more based on how much tolerance you would have with the dealer supplying that junkie child(in our case owners making that "child" CCFC more reliant on the drugs he is supplying by the rebrand and the promises that go with it).

Are you saying that you would give support to the dealer as well no matter what he did to the child as long as the child still got his supply of drugs that no other dealer would give him?

I wrote out a big response. But you know what it's really not worth the hassle.
Im not a blue or red I'm a "CARDIFF CITY" supporter.

^^^THIS^^^

has anyone else noticed that the only topics that are made sticky's are the doom and gloom Anti Tan ones? A certain Sam Hammam is faultless though. Pathetic this board is. If you dont hate the rebrand, your not welcome. Thought everyone was entitled to an opinion?

They moan about the rebrand but strangly enough, season tickets sold out today? You couldnt make it up. And before i get the "haha your name is bleed blue" engage your brain and realise my account was made a few years ago. I dont give a f**k about the rebrand, i dont care if we play in f*cking bright purple, im a cardiff city fan and thats all that matters. FOOTBALL HAS CHANGED, the quicker some people realise it, the better.

This argument is about passion vrs acceptance. To me there are three scenarios

1) - Probably less than 1% are so passionately anti red they stopped going
2) - Then there are the other 98.9 who accept it in their own way
3) - Finally there are the 0.1% who actively want red and all that goes with it,and they are the owners of the club.


Why there are elements in option 2 (the 98.9%) who somehow think they are morally superior to others in that group is beyond me. There are no more surprises next season-

- Playing at home in red
- Blue less prominent
- Maybe the Bluebird less prominent
- The stadium is not going to get any louder
- They will never swap the Canton & Grange

To my knowledge the club refunded a quite few season tickets last years, probably a few Wembley day trippers.

This is about accepting the change, you don't have to approve, but for the foreseeable future, it is our future. I have never bought anything from the shop since the rebrand- That is my way of resisting. But the name calling is wrong, sorry being there especially next season when you have a choice is acceptance

Not necesarrily true, I would say this evens up 12th Mans post.

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This argument is about passion vrs acceptance. To me there are three scenarios

1) - Probably less than 1% are so passionately anti red they stopped going
2) - Then there are the other 98.9 who accept it in their own way
3) - Finally there are the 0.1% who actively want red and all that goes with it,and they are the owners of the club.


Why there are elements in option 2 (the 98.9%) who somehow think they are morally superior to others in that group is beyond me. There are no more surprises next season-

- Playing at home in red
- Blue less prominent
- Maybe the Bluebird less prominent
- The stadium is not going to get any louder
- They will never swap the Canton & Grange

To my knowledge the club refunded a quite few season tickets last years, probably a few Wembley day trippers.

This is about accepting the change, you don't have to approve, but for the foreseeable future, it is our future. I have never bought anything from the shop since the rebrand- That is my way of resisting. But the name calling is wrong, sorry being there especially next season when you have a choice is acceptance

0.1% who actively want red? You are having a laugh, or did you not go on Tuesday.

1% who have stopped going all together and hate the malaysians

5-10% - "Reluctant reds" who cannot stand the red but cannot walk away (I am in this bracket)

89-94% - Active reds / dont really care about the colour just want to watch the football (I was in this bracket until Tuesday night)

You can no longer just support Cardiff City on here - you are either Pro Red or Pro Blue - sad because this messageboard used to be great but this has been going on all season long - will it continue in the Premiership IF we get there? Has already taken the shine off this season and will continue to do so. Here's an idea - lets talk football and how well or not the Team is doing!! Red - Blue has been done to death - nothing's gonna change now - we will run out at the start of the season in Red wherever we are!

You can no longer just support Cardiff City on here - you are either Pro Red or Pro Blue - sad because this messageboard used to be great but this has been going on all season long - will it continue in the Premiership IF we get there? Has already taken the shine off this season and will continue to do so. Here's an idea - lets talk football and how well or not the Team is doing!! Red - Blue has been done to death - nothing's gonna change now - we will run out at the start of the season in Red wherever we are!

This is true nothing we say will change anything.

You can no longer just support Cardiff City on here - you are either Pro Red or Pro Blue - sad because this messageboard used to be great but this has been going on all season long - will it continue in the Premiership IF we get there? Has already taken the shine off this season and will continue to do so. Here's an idea - lets talk football and how well or not the Team is doing!! Red - Blue has been done to death - nothing's gonna change now - we will run out at the start of the season in Red wherever we are!

This is true nothing we say will change anything.

It is true and the rebrand arguments will continue.

Before Tuesday night there were sings of things settling. Guys were starting to support the team more and putting this rebrand on the back burner. Tan's initiative Tuesday night has totally turned that around so if you want to blame someone look no further than our top man.

We will see next our next home game...

Reading your previous posts I doubt you have ever owned a replica shirt or a scarf blue or red

Tan has given every fan an option to freely display their red loyalties.

I only posses a snazzy fleece royal blue city scarf but I will be digging out one of the kids blue scarf's for the next game. My daughters pink city scarf will be replaced with a traditional blue and yellow scarf for the upcoming games.

Lets make the next home game a blue day.