It's time for Velikonja

I hear he scored again tonight for the dev team.

He's got to feature at some point on Saturday!! Go on malky

Our midfields service is really class on its day and the boy really seems to put a load of effort in.. failing to see what he does wrong. He takes chance.. awfully dangerous. We need to try use what we got.

I hear he scored again tonight for the dev team.

He's got to feature at some point on Saturday!! Go on malky

I guess you didn't go to Macclesfield then? Velikonja isn't ready yet, I believe he still needs a lot of work.

I hear he scored again tonight for the dev team.

He's got to feature at some point on Saturday!! Go on malky

I guess you didn't go to Macclesfield then? Velikonja isn't ready yet, I believe he still needs a lot of work.

I fail to see to use that as an example of how he ent ready.

I hear he scored again tonight for the dev team.

He's got to feature at some point on Saturday!! Go on malky

I guess you didn't go to Macclesfield then? Velikonja isn't ready yet, I believe he still needs a lot of work.

Surely with better service from more experienced players we would see a different player!! And no I wasn't at Macclesfield but I was at the game Saturday and it was shocking up front

If we're not going to sign anyone I think malky needs to take a gamble with this chap

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I hear he scored again tonight for the dev team.

He's got to feature at some point on Saturday!! Go on malky

I guess you didn't go to Macclesfield then? Velikonja isn't ready yet, I believe he still needs a lot of work.

I fail to see to use that as an example of how he ent ready.

and scoring in dev teams proves he is? ill wait for malky to say if he is ready

He was quite bad at Macclesfield but had quite a youthful side with him, with better players he'll have better service and be more motivated

He was quite bad at Macclesfield but had quite a youthful side with him, with better players he'll have better service and be more motivated

I hear he scored again tonight for the dev team.

He's got to feature at some point on Saturday!! Go on malky

I guess you didn't go to Macclesfield then? Velikonja isn't ready yet, I believe he still needs a lot of work.

He couldn't be any worse than Gestede was on Saturday.

why are we paying 1.2 , 1.3 million for a player who is no where near ready and would probably struggle in league 1

its not even as if he is young hes 24

I like him, I've seen him play in development games a few times and I was at Macclesfield, he didn't get decent service up there in my opinion.

I will go as far to say depending on whether he stays with us, that he's a natural goalscorer, an instinctive player and will become a Bluebirds favourite once he makes the breakthrough.

I was pleased at the start of the season that we had a squad with strength in depth.

Now it's time to use that strength.

He did pretty well against Newcastle I'll trust Malky on this one but he certainly knows where the goal is with the right service

I hear he scored again tonight for the dev team.

He's got to feature at some point on Saturday!! Go on malky

I guess you didn't go to Macclesfield then? Velikonja isn't ready yet, I believe he still needs a lot of work.

He couldn't be any worse than Gestede was on Saturday.

Oh yes he could, especially if we pump high balls to him which Rudy was expected to deal with last Saturday!

At least Rudy won some balls in the air, if we pump them up like we did against Ipswich with Velikonja in the team, he'll get a crick in his neck!

Nah. Rudy was dreadful on Saturday.

Nah. Rudy was dreadful on Saturday.

Didn't say he wasn't, but I can't recall one ball delivered into him, that was below head height!

Nah. Rudy was dreadful on Saturday.

Didn't say he wasn't, but I can't recall one ball delivered into him, that was below head height!

Not the only reason. Lazy, doesn't go for the ball.

Nah. Rudy was dreadful on Saturday.

Didn't say he wasn't, but I can't recall one ball delivered into him, that was below head height!

Not the only reason. Lazy, doesn't go for the ball.

Can't agree about the lazy bit and if he doesn't go for the ball, how did he win the ball in the air?

He must have been embarrassed when the ball hit him on the back on Saturday though!

Nah. Rudy was dreadful on Saturday.

Didn't say he wasn't, but I can't recall one ball delivered into him, that was below head height!

Not the only reason. Lazy, doesn't go for the ball.

Can't agree about the lazy bit and if he doesn't go for the ball, how did he win the ball in the air?

He must have been embarrassed when the ball hit him on the back on Saturday though!

He was the laziest player on the pitch by far on Saturday.

most players were struggling but they all worked hard to try to get to the ball.

Rudy just jumped a bit and shrugged his shoulders if he didn't get it.

I'm really starting to loathe him. Absolute waste of oxygen.

Nah. Rudy was dreadful on Saturday.

Didn't say he wasn't, but I can't recall one ball delivered into him, that was below head height!

Not the only reason. Lazy, doesn't go for the ball.

Can't agree about the lazy bit and if he doesn't go for the ball, how did he win the ball in the air?

He must have been embarrassed when the ball hit him on the back on Saturday though!

It was a different world between him and Bellers.

Craig would chase down any loose ball, Rudy wouldn't even break into a jog.

Nah. Rudy was dreadful on Saturday.

Didn't say he wasn't, but I can't recall one ball delivered into him, that was below head height!

Not the only reason. Lazy, doesn't go for the ball.

Can't agree about the lazy bit and if he doesn't go for the ball, how did he win the ball in the air?

He must have been embarrassed when the ball hit him on the back on Saturday though!

It was a different world between him and Bellers.

Craig would chase down any loose ball, Rudy wouldn't even break into a jog.

Bellers is a sprinter mun, think you're expecting a bit much from a 6' 4" centre forward!

I'm not saying that Rudy will ever be the answer for us, but he had a superb 40 minutes for us at Leicester and a decent first 45 minutes at home against Millwall, before he tired in the second half!

I agree with everybody that he was poor on Saturday though, although as I've said earlier in this thread, I cannot recall any ball being hit into him, that was anything below head height and even Robin Van Persie would have struggled to make any headway against Ipswich, if he had to deal with such poor service to him!

I'm expecting a 24 year old footballer to do more than jog around on the pitch and actually run.

I'm expecting a 24 year old footballer to do more than jog around on the pitch and actually run.

If you're expecting a 6' 4" centre forward to run around like Bellers, then you're going to be disappointed every time!

FFS, we've only got McNaughton and possibly Cowie who can get anywhere near him!

I'm expecting a 24 year old footballer to do more than jog around on the pitch and actually run.

If you're expecting a 6' 4" centre forward to run around like Bellers, then you're going to be disappointed every time!

FFS, we've only got McNaughton and possibly Cowie who can get anywhere near him!

As I've just said, I'd expect a 24 year old professional footballer to do more than jog about and actually chase the ball.

I'm expecting a 24 year old footballer to do more than jog around on the pitch and actually run.

If you're expecting a 6' 4" centre forward to run around like Bellers, then you're going to be disappointed every time!

FFS, we've only got McNaughton and possibly Cowie who can get anywhere near him!

As I've just said, I'd expect a 24 year old professional footballer to do more than jog about and actually chase the ball.

You'll have to get your stop watch out and time him then, as I certainly don't think he runs around any slower than Helguson does, even allowing for Heidur's 35 years!

I'm expecting a 24 year old footballer to do more than jog around on the pitch and actually run.

If you're expecting a 6' 4" centre forward to run around like Bellers, then you're going to be disappointed every time!

FFS, we've only got McNaughton and possibly Cowie who can get anywhere near him!

As I've just said, I'd expect a 24 year old professional footballer to do more than jog about and actually chase the ball.

You'll have to get your stop watch out and time him then, as I certainly don't think he runs around any slower than Helguson does, even allowing for Heidur's 35 years!

May e not, but Helguson actually contributes to the team.

Clearly you're a Gestede fan & I'm not. Simple.

I'm expecting a 24 year old footballer to do more than jog around on the pitch and actually run.

If you're expecting a 6' 4" centre forward to run around like Bellers, then you're going to be disappointed every time!

FFS, we've only got McNaughton and possibly Cowie who can get anywhere near him!

As I've just said, I'd expect a 24 year old professional footballer to do more than jog about and actually chase the ball.

You'll have to get your stop watch out and time him then, as I certainly don't think he runs around any slower than Helguson does, even allowing for Heidur's 35 years!

May e not, but Helguson actually contributes to the team.

Clearly you're a Gestede fan & I'm not. Simple.

I'm a fan of anybody who pulls on a Cardiff City shirt and able to qualify my statements!

I've already stated that Rudy was poor on Saturday, but I've been to all our home games since Rudy arrived and I've seen a big improvement in his overall play in many of those games, especially at Leicester and home to Millwall!

I've also stated in this thread, that he may well not be the answer to our long term ambitions, but I can't understand anybody who supports us, who repeatedly state that he's shit (not directed at you specifically), without actually trying to qualify their statements!

Many people criticised his performance on Saturday (me included in this thread), so tell me what Mason or Helguson did to improve us when they came on?

I'm expecting a 24 year old footballer to do more than jog around on the pitch and actually run.

If you're expecting a 6' 4" centre forward to run around like Bellers, then you're going to be disappointed every time!

FFS, we've only got McNaughton and possibly Cowie who can get anywhere near him!

As I've just said, I'd expect a 24 year old professional footballer to do more than jog about and actually chase the ball.

You'll have to get your stop watch out and time him then, as I certainly don't think he runs around any slower than Helguson does, even allowing for Heidur's 35 years!

May e not, but Helguson actually contributes to the team.

Clearly you're a Gestede fan & I'm not. Simple.

I'm a fan of anybody who pulls on a Cardiff City shirt and able to qualify my statements!

I've already stated that Rudy was poor on Saturday, but I've been to all our home games since Rudy arrived and I've seen a big improvement in his overall play in many of those games, especially at Leicester and home to Millwall!

I've also stated in this thread, that he may well not be the answer to our long term ambitions, but I can't understand anybody who supports us, who repeatedly state that he's shit (not directed at you specifically), without actually trying to qualify their statements!

Many people criticised his performance on Saturday (me included in this thread), so tell me what Mason or Helguson did to improve us when they came on?

I don't think he's good enough. He's slow and lazy. Look at who the teams who've gone up recently have had leading their line... Rudy isn't the level required for a team challenging for the league title.

Mason came on and did little. I feel that he was used unfairly. If we were to bring on Mason, we should have started playing it on the floor and not lumping it up, that's not going to work without A target man.

Helguson didn't have much time to make an impact, so to be critical of him would be unfair, yet I feel that he should not be leading our line alone.

We are in desperate need of a striker. Would love to see what Maynard would be doing right now.

I don't think he's good enough. He's slow and lazy. Look at who the teams who've gone up recently have had leading their line... Rudy isn't the level required for a team challenging for the league title.

Mason came on and did little. I feel that he was used unfairly. If we were to bring on Mason, we should have started playing it on the floor and not lumping it up, that's not going to work without A target man.

Helguson didn't have much time to make an impact, so to be critical of him would be unfair, yet I feel that he should not be leading our line alone.

We are in desperate need of a striker. Would love to see what Maynard would be doing right now.

You're entitled to your opinion and he may well be slow, but personally, I don't think he's lazy!

With regards to the rest of your post though, this is virtually what I was saying earlier, Mason had the ball lumped up to him and did nothing, Helguson had the ball lumped up to him and did nothing (accept your point about him not having much time), yet everybody has a go at Rudy who had to deal with the same poor service as Mason & Helguson!

Whoever plays up front for us, needs to have the ball played in to them at a lower height, so that it gives them a chance to be able to control the ball, hold it up and bring other players into the game, which is what Rudy did at Leicester!

It's no good launching the ball 8 or more feet into the air and expecting anybody to be able to control the ball, like Rudy, Mason & Helguson were expected to do on Saturday, a point which a lot of people on here have missed!

I don't think he's good enough. He's slow and lazy. Look at who the teams who've gone up recently have had leading their line... Rudy isn't the level required for a team challenging for the league title.

Mason came on and did little. I feel that he was used unfairly. If we were to bring on Mason, we should have started playing it on the floor and not lumping it up, that's not going to work without A target man.

Helguson didn't have much time to make an impact, so to be critical of him would be unfair, yet I feel that he should not be leading our line alone.

We are in desperate need of a striker. Would love to see what Maynard would be doing right now.

You're entitled to your opinion and he may well be slow, but personally, I don't think he's lazy!

With regards to the rest of your post though, this is virtually what I was saying earlier, Mason had the ball lumped up to him and did nothing, Helguson had the ball lumped up to him and did nothing (accept your point about him not having much time), yet everybody has a go at Rudy who had to deal with the same poor service as Mason & Helguson!

Whoever plays up front for us, needs to have the ball played in to them at a lower height, so that it gives them a chance to be able to control the ball, hold it up and bring other players into the game, which is what Rudy did at Leicester!

It's no good launching the ball 8 or more feet into the air and expecting anybody to be able to control the ball, like Rudy, Mason & Helguson were expected to do on Saturday, a point which a lot of people on here have missed!

Yes, the same service was to all strikers, but it's unfair on Mason as he isn't a "target-man" whereas Gestede is.. So should be suited to that sort of service.