Should the Wales captain be Welsh?

I believe so, I also believe that you should be born Welsh to play for your country!
We have far too many players in the welsh squad who are English and pretending to be Welsh just for the chance to play international football.

Yes which is why Bale should be captain.

Yes which is why Bale should be captain.

why bale?


best player doesnt always make best captain

Would never give it to Bale.

Captain should be Welsh though.

Simply because at times he seems the only one confident enough to take the game by the horns and fight for the win. Only reason he probably would never get it is apparently he's really shy and quiet. Should be a welshman either way

Simply because at times he seems the only one confident enough to take the game by the horns and fight for the win. Only reason he probably would never get it is apparently he's really shy and quiet. Should be a welshman either way

Clutching at straws for a dig

Birthplace does not change national identity!

I was born a month early and born in London, it pained my old man until his dying day From my earliest memories he drummed it into me that I was Scottish and that it didn't matter where I was born... Him and my mother, and everyone else in my family were Scottish, therefore, I was, and that was the end of the conversation

Just curious, does anyone on here feel that the Republic of Ireland teams in the late 80's and early 90's achievements were tainted by having so many players through the grandparents rule? Or do you think the Irish fans just accepted it and enjoyed the good times?

Simply because at times he seems the only one confident enough to take the game by the horns and fight for the win. Only reason he probably would never get it is apparently he's really shy and quiet. Should be a welshman either way

Clutching at straws for a dig

Its not a dig at Ashley Williams. I just dont think an Englsihman should be captain, would feel exactlly the same if Ben Turner played for Wales and was captain. The diference between players like Earnshaw and Williams is that Earnie was brought up in Wales and considers himself Welsh whilst Williams is only playing for us as he knows he wouldnt get into the English team.

When your a country like Wales you take whatever and whoever is best for the role. When you are 3rd rate you dont bite the hand that feeds you. If Williams is the best candidate and gets the players respect in the role then he should be captain. I dont think the players in the squad care about where he is from. I dont see a natural leader who is welsh born in the squad, so why hamper the squad by stating it has to be a Welsh man.

Im sure that if Owen hargreaves had picked Wales all those years ago nobody would have said a thing about a top class Bayern/United player captaining our country.

Giggs was made captain and didnt even turn up for the lesser games during his carear! At least Williams turns up!

This wouldntt even be an issue of the captain of Wales wasnt a Jack. Sad times on here indeed.

When your a country like Wales you take whatever and whoever is best for the role. When you are 3rd rate you dont bite the hand that feeds you. If Williams is the best candidate and gets the players respect in the role then he should be captain. I dont think the players in the squad care about where he is from. I dont see a natural leader who is welsh born in the squad, so why hamper the squad by stating it has to be a Welsh man.

Im sure that if Owen hargreaves had picked Wales all those years ago nobody would have said a thing about a top class Bayern/United player captaining our country.

Giggs was made captain and didnt even turn up for the lesser games during his carear! At least Williams turns up!

Great post and spot on.

This wouldntt even be an issue of the captain of Wales wasnt a Jack. Sad times on here indeed.

Yes it would be. Quite happy to say the same ha it been Ben Turner who was asked I captain the side.

If you're happy to have players of another nationality play for Wales because they have welsh grandparents etc. You shouldn't really complain about one of them being chosen as captain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wa ... e_of_Wales

English

It is the Grandparents rule that is at fault, NOT birthplace. Really irritates me.

I'm Welsh and born in London for example. Parents went there for work reasons, moved back here when I was 5.

The whole team should be Welsh, not just the captain.

Yes, and Ashley Williams is Welsh in my (and his) eyes.

this is a list of non-welsh welsh internationals off wiki, now all of a sudden it's an issue with cardiff supporters
surely you are not thick enough to see if someone is eligible for wales they are eligible to be captain

Harry Adams
Smart Arridge
William Bell
Ernie Bowdler
Jack Bowdler
Mark Bradley
Thomas Britten
Jason Brown
Thomas Bryan
Marcus Browning
Thomas Burnett
Simon Church
Danny Collins
Jack Collison
John Cornforth
Andrew Crofts
Knyvett Crosse
Mark Crossley
Alan Davies
Albert Davies
Craig Davies
John Davies
Simon Davies
Thomas Davies
William Davies
Andy Dorman
Jack Doughty
Roger Doughty
Freddy Eastwood
David Edwards
John Hawley Edwards
Jim Edwards
Robert Edwards
Rob Edwards
Ian Evans
John Evans
Paul Evans
Robert Evans
George Farmer



Carl Fletcher
Sam Gillam
George Glascodine
Richard Gough
Gareth Hall
Jack Hallam
Dennis Heywood
George Higham
Mick Hill
Trevor Hockey
Glyn Hodges
Frederick Hughes
Alexander Hunter
Kenny Jackett
Lloyd James (U21)
Andy Johnson
David Jones
Di Jones
Richard Jones
Ryan Jones
Vinnie Jones
Fred Kelly
Andy King
Alan Knill
Benjamin Lewis
Albert Lockley
Robert McMillan
Gavin Maguire
Paul Mardon
Steve Morison
Andy Marriott
Billy Morris
Charlie Morris
Edward Morris
James Morris
John Morris
Robert Morris
Daniel Nardiello
Frank Newton



Lewin Nyatanga
John Oster
Digby Owen
Thomas Owen
Maurice Parry
Tom Parry
Joe Partington (U21)
David Partridge
Edward Phennah
John Phillips
Lewis Price
Paul Price
Sam Ricketts
John Roach
Dave Roberts
Hal Robson-Kanu
Henry Sabine
George Savin
Edward Shaw
William Shone
David Stephens (U21)
Brian Stock
Kit Symons
Ash Taylor (U21)
Gareth Taylor
Ben Thatcher
David Thomson
George Thomson
Alfred Townsend
Paul Trollope
Sam Vokes
Darren Ward
Rhys Weston
Adrian Williams
Andy Williams
Ashley Williams
George Williams
Joseph Williams

When your a country like Wales you take whatever and whoever is best for the role. When you are 3rd rate you dont bite the hand that feeds you. If Williams is the best candidate and gets the players respect in the role then he should be captain. I dont think the players in the squad care about where he is from. I dont see a natural leader who is welsh born in the squad, so why hamper the squad by stating it has to be a Welsh man.

Im sure that if Owen hargreaves had picked Wales all those years ago nobody would have said a thing about a top class Bayern/United player captaining our country.

Giggs was made captain and didnt even turn up for the lesser games during his carear! At least Williams turns up!

Shocking post.

It bothered me that Giggs didn't turn up for most games but he played for his country end of.

Ashley Williams accepted to play for Wales because he had no chance and wouldn't get a look in for England.

I have respect for Shawcross and Turner who rejected to play for Wales and stuck to their loyaltys to their country even though they might not play for England.

If Turner accepted to play for us and got made captain I would still boycott Wales like I am now.

I have accepted the fact players who have relations in Wales can play for us and I avoid buying programmes for Wales games because I would have to see the team information and see they are born in England.

The whole team should be Welsh end of.

I won't be going until the decision is changed to Welsh born captain.

The thought of watching an English born player lead us out just sickens me.

in my opinion, if your born in wales. you play for wales.

france took advantage of the current mess of selection, by signing algerian born Zidane. and loads more,

When your a country like Wales you take whatever and whoever is best for the role. When you are 3rd rate you dont bite the hand that feeds you. If Williams is the best candidate and gets the players respect in the role then he should be captain. I dont think the players in the squad care about where he is from. I dont see a natural leader who is welsh born in the squad, so why hamper the squad by stating it has to be a Welsh man.

Im sure that if Owen hargreaves had picked Wales all those years ago nobody would have said a thing about a top class Bayern/United player captaining our country.

Giggs was made captain and didnt even turn up for the lesser games during his carear! At least Williams turns up!

Shocking post.

It bothered me that Giggs didn't turn up for most games but he played for his country end of.

Ashley Williams accepted to play for Wales because he had no chance and wouldn't get a look in for England.

I have respect for Shawcross and Turner who rejected to play for Wales and stuck to their loyaltys to their country even though they might not play for England.

If Turner accepted to play for us and got made captain I would still boycott Wales like I am now.

I have accepted the fact players who have relations in Wales can play for us and I avoid buying programmes for Wales games because I would have to see the team information and see they are born in England.

The whole team should be Welsh end of.

I won't be going until the decision is changed to Welsh born captain.

The thought of watching an English born player lead us out just sickens me.

So you'd rather a player be capt who is welsh but won't even turn up for all the games, than an englishman who would put his all into every game?

No wonder our country is backwards! Its like a version of small man syndrome!

I believe so, I also believe that you should be born Welsh to play for your country!
We have far too many players in the welsh squad who are English and pretending to be Welsh just for the chance to play international football.

All the wales players should be welsh.

Yes, and Ashley Williams is Welsh in my (and his) eyes.

Yes, and you english wannabbes want Angel Rangel playing for wales. A spaniard FFS.

in my opinion, if your born in wales. you play for wales.

france took advantage of the current mess of selection, by signing algerian born Zidane. and loads more,

and if you're born in England?

As long as one of your parents are welsh then no problem!

As long as one of your parents are welsh then no problem!

Sorted

To me the captain should be Welsh but for crying out loud when one of our recent squad contained more players born OUTSIDE OF WALES than in it you can't really complain. I remember one player saying he had never been to Wales before until he played for them and when you have players like Freddy Eastwood whose grandad was born in Llanelli playing for us you know times are desperate.

I was born a month early and born in London, it pained my old man until his dying day From my earliest memories he drummed it into me that I was Scottish and that it didn't matter where I was born... Him and my mother, and everyone else in my family were Scottish, therefore, I was, and that was the end of the conversation

Just curious, does anyone on here feel that the Republic of Ireland teams in the late 80's and early 90's achievements were tainted by having so many players through the grandparents rule? Or do you think the Irish fans just accepted it and enjoyed the good times?

It's an interesting one that. IMO there should be no granparents rule. If you and both of your parents haven't either been born or bred in a country you certainly shouldn't represent that country.

I remember Matt Elliott (former Leicester player in the late 90's early 00's) playing for Scotland through the grandparent rule despite only ever visiting there once on a school trip.

I also don't agree with the rule that allows a player to represent a country just because he's played for a club in that country for a few years.

I think I would accept the parents rule without a doubt but not go no further.

You are calling our country backwards because of my opinion yet you're okay with a English born player leading us out?

I will accept any player if parents are Welsh but if its to be captain then its a no from me.

Give his all every game? I don't give a crap. People can moan if players who are Welsh don't turn up but it doesn't bother me as much as players from other countrys being allowed to play for us.


Swansea fans have truly embarassed theirself by supporting having an English born captain leading us out, narrow minded be f**ked.