" The Velikonja situation "

since the game every one is some way has had their opinion on him, but now that we've all had time to calm down, how do you feel ? do you still feel the same or has your opinion changed ?

my personal opinion is that he isnt good enough for championship football and no matter what team he plays with he wont be a hit here, im sad to say it because i had high hopes for him but it does look like malky has signed a dud and before people say dont judge him on one performance, take into account that hes;

.a pro footballer so all this rubbish that he cant settle in is bull as hes been here months now and been training with the first team
.scored goals in the slovenian league, hardly end of the rainbow stuff
.has been playing week in week out in development games, reserve games etc so its not as if he's not fit
.malky sees him every day.
.he's played with most of the players that played v maccs as that was basically the development squad

in no way though should people slate malky for this though as every manager makes dud signings.

i think we should look to cut our losses and get rid before we end up having nothing for him. im sure some bottom end championship, league 1-2 side or even his old side would take him back.

i dont often do threads like this but i just wanted to share my opinion, sorry etien, tried but just isnt good enough

People seem to have a huge obsession with him.

We currently have better players, will he get better in time? I don't know wait and see.
I'm amazed he gets so much coverage off our fans.

People seem to have a huge obsession with him.

We currently have better players, will he get better in time? I don't know wait and see.
I'm amazed he gets so much coverage off our fans.

because we played 1million pounds for him and every player we have gets talked about.

People seem to have a huge obsession with him.

We currently have better players, will he get better in time? I don't know wait and see.
I'm amazed he gets so much coverage off our fans.

Maybe because we spent 1 million on the player? for that price, he should be in the starting line up.

People seem to have a huge obsession with him.

We currently have better players, will he get better in time? I don't know wait and see.
I'm amazed he gets so much coverage off our fans.

Maybe because we spent 1 million on the player? for that price, he should be in the starting line up.

this, how can we justify spending that much on a useless player

His only good attribute is finishing!

Would be nice seeing him get some service for
Once like he got vs Newcastle!

People seem to have a huge obsession with him.

We currently have better players, will he get better in time? I don't know wait and see.
I'm amazed he gets so much coverage off our fans.

because we played 1million pounds for him and every player we have gets talked about.

I appreciate we talk about all players but I've never seem so many on one player, it's a few everyday saying the same stuff.

We are top of the league and have a big squad, it like are fans are obsessed with finding a negative and going on and on about it.

So far he hasn't done anything, will he next year or the year after? I don't know.

It's hardly a pressing issue.

People seem to have a huge obsession with him.

We currently have better players, will he get better in time? I don't know wait and see.
I'm amazed he gets so much coverage off our fans.

Maybe because we spent 1 million on the player? for that price, he should be in the starting line up.

this, how can we justify spending that much on a useless player

Sadly its part of the risk when you sign any player....for one club he can be absolutely amazing, but when he moves, it might not work out for him. There can be various factors for this.

But I think its unfair for people to criticise Velikonja for yesterdays performance, he had no support yesterday. I've been to watch 3 development games this season, and hes been very good, scoring regularly as well.

But I think the fact we paid 1 million for the player, people expect him to be in the starting line up for that price.

He plays well when he has decent service. In the FA cup he didn't have that. I feel for the guy in a way. Told to prove him self yet his style of play was not played to so he couldnt do anything. He had a lovely strike from a tight angle which almost went in, but almost is not in.

People seem to have a huge obsession with him.

We currently have better players, will he get better in time? I don't know wait and see.
I'm amazed he gets so much coverage off our fans.

because we played 1million pounds for him and every player we have gets talked about.

I appreciate we talk about all players but I've never seem so many on one player, it's a few everyday saying the same stuff.

We are top of the league and have a big squad, it like are fans are obsessed with finding a negative and going on and on about it.

So far he hasn't done anything, will he next year or the year after? I don't know.

It's hardly a pressing issue.

like i said its because we've spent a good wedge on the lad and for weeks he got no game time at all and as soon as he does he did nothing, so obviously he's going to be talked about as people are trying to figure out why so much was spent on him

He plays well when he has decent service. In the FA cup he didn't have that. I feel for the guy in a way. Told to prove him self yet his style of play was not played to so he couldnt do anything. He had a lovely strike from a tight angle which almost went in, but almost is not in.

exactly, we dont need almost good enough, we need good enough

He is on a 48 month contract and 5 months into it and one "proper" game we all feel qualified to judge the transfer.

Not sure if he is married or has brought his family over here but he needs a season to acclimatise. He probably has been telling malky he is ready, this is malky's way of telling him he is not.

I spent 3 months working in Japan and was homesick after 1 week, it takes time.

Dennis Bergcamp a travelled (by car), multi lingual world class player took time to adapt to English football, lets not give up on him now.

We actually paid 2 million euros which is approx £1.6million for him not £1million

Strikers / goalscorers or any front men need a run of games to settle in or whatever you wanna call it and produce the goods. It's always been the way since I started watching football. It's been a while. No player I can remember has been able to flit in and flit out of a team and been successful. Not dissimilar to Bale and Walcott few years ago. God knows why Etien should be any different.

Give him a run of games (6?) then make a judgement. Have we got those 6 games. I'm not so sure at the moment. If we were mid table it would be different.

Dennis Bergcamp a travelled (by car), multi lingual world class player took time to adapt to English football, lets not give up on him now.

He travelled by car because he was scared of flying.
I think he should be allowed some game time instead of Rudy one week.

Its not Rudy it has to be Bells, he is not a work horse, it would be nice to see him on the bench though.

I don't get all the criticism he's getting. You can't judge a player on one game when that one game he's playing with a bunch of inexperienced youngsters. I still want to see him come off the bench for atleast one game.

Give the lad a chance. He'll prove himself as soon as he is given a proper opportunity.

Its not Rudy it has to be Bells, he is not a work horse, it would be nice to see him on the bench though.

No I meant that Rudy just is not involved. He has a good few minutes but I would rather helgason who is half a foot shorter than Rudy yet wins more ball as a target man.
Velikonja needs to work with a target man.

So because he didnt score in a game and in a team made up of kids and Mcphail, he's useless? So im guessing no one saw the Newcastle match where he scored a good goal and looked pretty good. He just moved from a different league and probably can't speak much english. Untill he's given a shot in the first team I dont think you can truly assess how good he'll be. After all he's been scoring a lot of goals for the development team which normally contains several squad players (so a better team than yesterday).

Give him time as someone else pointed out its not like other forgien strikers have ever been bad in their first season

since the game every one is some way has had their opinion on him, but now that we've all had time to calm down, how do you feel ? do you still feel the same or has your opinion changed ?

my personal opinion is that he isnt good enough for championship football and no matter what team he plays with he wont be a hit here, im sad to say it because i had high hopes for him but it does look like malky has signed a dud and before people say dont judge him on one performance, take into account that hes;

.a pro footballer so all this rubbish that he cant settle in is bull as hes been here months now and been training with the first team
.scored goals in the slovenian league, hardly end of the rainbow stuff
.has been playing week in week out in development games, reserve games etc so its not as if he's not fit
.malky sees him every day.
.he's played with most of the players that played v maccs as that was basically the development squad

in no way though should people slate malky for this though as every manager makes dud signings.

i think we should look to cut our losses and get rid before we end up having nothing for him. im sure some bottom end championship, league 1-2 side or even his old side would take him back.

i dont often do threads like this but i just wanted to share my opinion, sorry etien, tried but just isnt good enough

So obviously you did not watch the Newcastele game in pre season which makes this thread laughable and non and void.

So because he didnt score in a game and in a team made up of kids and Mcphail, he's useless? So im guessing no one saw the Newcastle match where he scored a good goal and looked pretty good. He just moved from a different league and probably can't speak much english. Untill he's given a shot in the first team I dont think you can truly assess how good he'll be. After all he's been scoring a lot of goals for the development team which normally contains several squad players (so a better team than yesterday).

Give him time as someone else pointed out its not like other forgien strikers have ever been bad in their first season

Exactly. To be fair I haven't seen a dev game but we were playing the likes of Conway in some of the games, who now plays every minute with noone being subbed at around 70 mins. Says something really about how strong the main group are. I do think that any of the first team that available and not playing should be in the dev team. Game time to keep fit.

So because he didnt score in a game and in a team made up of kids and Mcphail, he's useless? So im guessing no one saw the Newcastle match where he scored a good goal and looked pretty good. He just moved from a different league and probably can't speak much english. Untill he's given a shot in the first team I dont think you can truly assess how good he'll be. After all he's been scoring a lot of goals for the development team which normally contains several squad players (so a better team than yesterday).

Give him time as someone else pointed out its not like other forgien strikers have ever been bad in their first season

Exactly. To be fair I haven't seen a dev game but we were playing the likes of Conway in some of the games, who now plays every minute with noone being subbed at around 70 mins. Says something really about how strong the main group are. I do think that any of the first team that available and not playing should be in the dev team. Game time to keep fit.

Yeah the same. If we had played more bench players and kept them fit we would have won that game. My only gripe with what malky did saturday but he's the manager his decision

So because he didnt score in a game and in a team made up of kids and Mcphail, he's useless? So im guessing no one saw the Newcastle match where he scored a good goal and looked pretty good. He just moved from a different league and probably can't speak much english. Untill he's given a shot in the first team I dont think you can truly assess how good he'll be. After all he's been scoring a lot of goals for the development team which normally contains several squad players (so a better team than yesterday).

Give him time as someone else pointed out its not like other forgien strikers have ever been bad in their first season

Exactly. To be fair I haven't seen a dev game but we were playing the likes of Conway in some of the games, who now plays every minute with noone being subbed at around 70 mins. Says something really about how strong the main group are. I do think that any of the first team that available and not playing should be in the dev team. Game time to keep fit.

Was only stated recently that players do not need games to stay fit as the game come thick and fast this was mentioned by Malkey so no need to play them in pointless games and take a chance of injuries ,7 points clear at the top of the table so take stupid risks if it is not broke don't try to fix it.

since the game every one is some way has had their opinion on him, but now that we've all had time to calm down, how do you feel ? do you still feel the same or has your opinion changed ?

my personal opinion is that he isnt good enough for championship football and no matter what team he plays with he wont be a hit here, im sad to say it because i had high hopes for him but it does look like malky has signed a dud and before people say dont judge him on one performance, take into account that hes;

.a pro footballer so all this rubbish that he cant settle in is bull as hes been here months now and been training with the first team
.scored goals in the slovenian league, hardly end of the rainbow stuff
.has been playing week in week out in development games, reserve games etc so its not as if he's not fit
.malky sees him every day.
.he's played with most of the players that played v maccs as that was basically the development squad

in no way though should people slate malky for this though as every manager makes dud signings.

i think we should look to cut our losses and get rid before we end up having nothing for him. im sure some bottom end championship, league 1-2 side or even his old side would take him back.

i dont often do threads like this but i just wanted to share my opinion, sorry etien, tried but just isnt good enough

So obviously you did not watch the Newcastele game in pre season which makes this thread laughable and non and void.

a pre season friendly is meant for one thing, fitness, christ if we had super eddie in the team i bet he would of scored, pre season

I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion.

I haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion.

I watched that game Saturday. Was pretty critical of him. I'm going to
take your lead here and shut up about him. One game does not tell us
enough. In fact that goes for the whole team

What if somebody's first ever City game was Peterborough at home?

How shit would they think our 'first' team was

I'm gonna wind my neck in on this subject

for all the people slating him on one performance, there are people praising him for one perfomance (newcastle) (in a freindly by the way)

personally i have seen a few development games and he has looked lively, but i think its clear he isnt going to get a chance at this club.

People seem to have a huge obsession with him.

We currently have better players, will he get better in time? I don't know wait and see.
I'm amazed he gets so much coverage off our fans.

I think Malkys shot himself in the foot abit, signing him and not playing him. And with all the un nessersay pressure coming off the fans its going to make things worse. He is a good player, and I would put money on him being a better striker than Smith, Gestede and Mason.

If Etien moves to another club in this division, week in and week out he would show us why it was a mistake to let him go. Meanwhile hes gotta deal with Malkys favourites and stubborness.

He had a lovely strike from a tight angle which almost went in, but almost is not in.

But if that had gone in there would be crys for him to start the next game, it just missed and there are crys for him to be sold