Palace fans view on Cardiff city

Taken off the other board and sadly bang on!!!

Little does he know that was one of our best atmospheres this season


Much has been said about Cardiff's controversial takeover but I don't tend to focus exclusively on that in this thread. Yesterday I made the 320-mile round trip to the Welsh capital and left feeling pretty empty inside for two reasons: one, that Palace had (yet again) thrown away a lead; two, because it feels like I've seen another piece of football's heritage die.

I remember a few years ago going to Ninian park, for I think a Boxing Day game, that Palace drew 0-0. It was a pretty small ground, but the atmosphere was electric, even for such a dull game, and camped in the away end you genuinely felt intimidated by the home fans on either side of you. Sure, there was a nasty element that went looking for trouble, but the passion was there, and overrall it was something you'd want to be a part of, that you could be proud about. Yesterday couldn't have been much more contrasting. You walk to the ground through a sterile shopping complex, which is pretty much a giant car park with KFC, McDonalds etc. around the sides. The ground almost seems like a giant shop itself, plopped in the middle with people milling around the sides as if they're going in to a f'ckiing cinema, holding cokes and bags of chips dressed in replica shirts. Selhurst may well be a sh'thole, but at least it represents a part of the community, situated within walking distance of Thornton Heath and Norwood High Street. This place was about as big a part of the community as whichever nutter in America who storms through a school blowing people's brains out is. Soulless, is the word.

Then you get in to the ground and have to check the badges to work out if you're in Reading/Coventry/Brighton etc etc. The atmosphere, in comparison to Ninian Park, is embarrassing and even as an impartizan bystander, quite saddening to hear/not hear. They had 26000 in there - probably twice the number who filled their old ground, but other than the last 10/15 minutes were almost completely mute. Maybe it was because it was Boxing day, which always evokes pretty sh'te atmospheres as was displayed in the away end (albeit we made a significant amount more noise than the home end). The thing that got me was that I can almost stand Reading or Coventry fans being quiet as they were never famed for being particularly loud, but Cardiff, despite their bizarre Muslim head patting thing, have always had a reputation as a vocal and hostile crowd. Is bowing down to modern football really worth losing that unique matchday experience?

The whole red kit thing need not be commented on much more, and the motto on their crest of 'fire and passion' is almost as embarrassing as our 'winning is everything' under Jordan. The advertising in the ground is also unbelievable. Behind our heads their was a giant screen with the word 'Malaysia' written on it, and just tiers and tiers of adverts everywhere.

So, although some may just call this a bitter and envious rant, is it worth losing so much of a club's heritage for a stab at the 'Promi$£d Land'? I would be mortified if Palace went down the same road, and would quite honestly rather play in League 2 with our current set up than sacrificing so much of ourselves to play in the Premiership.



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Spot on.

Bang on. The ground doesn't feel like a football ground like NP did, too many shops and food outlets. At NP all you had was some dodgy bloke selling badges on the corner and one or two burger vans, KFC and Mcdonalds now...

The Canton/Grange swap would change things though

He is 100% right. It is like going to the cinema these days and that is a perfect comparison. Probably louder in the cinema with the packets being opened and popcorn crunching as well tbh.

Well you would expect a response like that, from them. Over the years Cpfc has gone bust more times than swansea city.

Ten points deduction??? They should have been kicked out of professional football completely!

Well you would expect a response like that, from them. Over the years Cpfc has gone bust more times than swansea city.

Ten points deduction??? They should have been kicked out of professional football completely!

Oh your so bitter

Well you would expect a response like that, from them. Over the years Cpfc has gone bust more times than swansea city.

Ten points deduction??? They should have been kicked out of professional football completely!

Yea makes you wonder if we have done the right thing. Perhaps we should have gone into admin, we would be challenging for a champions league place now. Still I would rather get to the promised land without taking the cowards way and that being administration.

Spot on and pretty much sums up what I feel.

money sadly has ruined football,it used to be a working mans game, but now its becoming to expensive for many to watch games regularly,i saw the other day a recent game in the premier league between spurs and arsenal the cheapest ticket was 89,even though we all want to watch top flight football , how much longer will people be able to afford these type of prices???????

Well you would expect a response like that, from them. Over the years Cpfc has gone bust more times than swansea city.

Ten points deduction??? They should have been kicked out of professional football completely!

Oh your so bitter

Hey, i'm not bitter,, i really enjoyed watching us beat those little c***s yesterday.

By the way, what were you doing at 3 pm yesterday?

Ooop's,,,i think i know the answer.

But if this palarse fan had been intimidated or taken a few slaps walking to the stadium he would be posting that cardiff fans are scum and should be in the welsh league
I loved ninian park but its gone and most of these away fans who go on about our lost passion were probably to shit to have turned up at ninian park..

Taken off the other board and sadly bang on!!!

Little does he know that was one of our best atmospheres this season


Much has been said about Cardiff's controversial takeover but I don't tend to focus exclusively on that in this thread. Yesterday I made the 320-mile round trip to the Welsh capital and left feeling pretty empty inside for two reasons: one, that Palace had (yet again) thrown away a lead; two, because it feels like I've seen another piece of football's heritage die.

I remember a few years ago going to Ninian park, for I think a Boxing Day game, that Palace drew 0-0. It was a pretty small ground, but the atmosphere was electric, even for such a dull game, and camped in the away end you genuinely felt intimidated by the home fans on either side of you. Sure, there was a nasty element that went looking for trouble, but the passion was there, and overrall it was something you'd want to be a part of, that you could be proud about. Yesterday couldn't have been much more contrasting. You walk to the ground through a sterile shopping complex, which is pretty much a giant car park with KFC, McDonalds etc. around the sides. The ground almost seems like a giant shop itself, plopped in the middle with people milling around the sides as if they're going in to a f'ckiing cinema, holding cokes and bags of chips dressed in replica shirts. Selhurst may well be a sh'thole, but at least it represents a part of the community, situated within walking distance of Thornton Heath and Norwood High Street. This place was about as big a part of the community as whichever nutter in America who storms through a school blowing people's brains out is. Soulless, is the word.

Then you get in to the ground and have to check the badges to work out if you're in Reading/Coventry/Brighton etc etc. The atmosphere, in comparison to Ninian Park, is embarrassing and even as an impartizan bystander, quite saddening to hear/not hear. They had 26000 in there - probably twice the number who filled their old ground, but other than the last 10/15 minutes were almost completely mute. Maybe it was because it was Boxing day, which always evokes pretty sh'te atmospheres as was displayed in the away end (albeit we made a significant amount more noise than the home end). The thing that got me was that I can almost stand Reading or Coventry fans being quiet as they were never famed for being particularly loud, but Cardiff, despite their bizarre Muslim head patting thing, have always had a reputation as a vocal and hostile crowd. Is bowing down to modern football really worth losing that unique matchday experience?

The whole red kit thing need not be commented on much more, and the motto on their crest of 'fire and passion' is almost as embarrassing as our 'winning is everything' under Jordan. The advertising in the ground is also unbelievable. Behind our heads their was a giant screen with the word 'Malaysia' written on it, and just tiers and tiers of adverts everywhere.

So, although some may just call this a bitter and envious rant, is it worth losing so much of a club's heritage for a stab at the 'Promi$£d Land'? I would be mortified if Palace went down the same road, and would quite honestly rather play in League 2 with our current set up than sacrificing so much of ourselves to play in the Premiership.



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THIS^^^^^^^

Well you would expect a response like that, from them. Over the years Cpfc has gone bust more times than swansea city.

Ten points deduction??? They should have been kicked out of professional football completely!

Oh your so bitter

Hey, i'm not bitter,, i really enjoyed watching us beat those little c***s yesterday.

By the way, what were you doing at 3 pm yesterday?

Ooop's,,,i think i know the answer.

I was in reading.

Well you would expect a response like that, from them. Over the years Cpfc has gone bust more times than swansea city.

Ten points deduction??? They should have been kicked out of professional football completely!

Yea makes you wonder if we have done the right thing. Perhaps we should have gone into admin, we would be challenging for a champions league place now. Still I would rather get to the promised land without taking the cowards way and that being administration.

Taking administration is the cowards way out and I'm not sure what sort of impact that would have on me. I think I would feel if we took administration, any success we achieve from then onwards would be tarnished. I would feel guilty and perhaps even embarassed. However, I still don't think anything can be more embarrassing than sacrificing our identity, just for Premiership football, although I appreciate everyone has differing feelings and emotions over that. The Palace fan is spot on and I wholeheartedly agree with his opinion of prefering to be in League 2 with our identity still in tact, over getting to the Premiership with our identity sacrificed.

Couldn't give a shit.

The whole game has changed over the years, you move with it or it moves on without you. We can't all stay at the older grounds and expect to move on.

We are not as lucky as the likes of Palace or Pompey being able to stay in atmospheric grounds with passionate crowds whilst still increasing crowds to pay for the modern game.

There is no way that they made more noise. After they scored maybe but not for the second half. Other than that I can't help but agree....

He's based his NP experience on 1 game.

I base mine on hundreds, the atmosphere was just as shit as it is now, the football was even worse. Only the big games did the atmosphere crank up.

Modern football for you, It's not just our ground. Yes the atmosphere was not as good as NP but it was far from embarrassing.

Being bitter if you ask me.

If a city fan made this statement they would get slaughtered on here,time to wake up and smell the coffee we are now officially a plastic club.

you're not going to get the NP atmosphere back, cos we're not playing in NP anymore! when people start realising its never going to be as good as that the better, stop comparing our atmosphere now to what it was!... if you compare the atmosphere in the CCS then that was one of the better!

SEATS spoil atmosphere fact.
When we go away at least 1000 of our supporters will sound really loud all stood up.
What would happen if we all sat down at an away game?????
Its modern football for you.
Terraces need to come back for the atmosphere or safe standing areas as they have in Germany.

Canton stand is always loud as majority stand up and sing

He's based his NP experience on 1 game.

I base mine on hundreds, the atmosphere was just as shit as it is now, the football was even worse. Only the big games did the atmosphere crank up.

Agreed been to many a game at Ninian where the atmosphere was shite,weve moved on NP is history i wish so many of our fans wouldnt dwell on it and as for away fans i couldnt give a f**k what they think,i love it down CCS if other fans dont f**k off to the liberty or somewhere else

Sounds like he'd prefer a good kicking at ninian pk.

sour grapes palarse ultra they'll do the same when they can afford it

Bang on. The ground doesn't feel like a football ground like NP did, too many shops and food outlets. At NP all you had was some dodgy bloke selling badges on the corner and one or two burger vans, KFC and Mcdonalds now...

The Canton/Grange swap would change things though

Dodgy bloke ,Billy

Same old,same old

But if this palarse fan had been intimidated or taken a few slaps walking to the stadium he would be posting that cardiff fans are scum and should be in the welsh league
I loved ninian park but its gone and most of these away fans who go on about our lost passion were probably to shit to have turned up at ninian park..

Excellent post
Palace fans always have thought they are superior than anyone else ,all that they have are an old shitty ground with chavvy cheerleaders,a bunch of 15 year old idiots on a drum claiming to be ultras,and worse of all goal celebration music
The away leg semi final we had a vocal following and on their messageboard all their was were posts like "jack has been following his local side since 1835 and a rowdy cardiff fan knocked his thermoflask out of his hand etc"
Of course football is not what it was
Btw for the amount that was there I thought palaces support was shite,plus were was the "wembley way" banner
They need to take a look at themselves before having a pop at other fans

Totally agree but thats they way successful teams are going, i bet McD'd an KFC pay the club to be there,the club shop sells shirts and stuff and all the money goes back into the club making it successful an being able to afford big wages on top player an brining in top players. We are very lucky we can stand in the canton , if we go up i think that will go out the window due to the amount of plastics that will go an watch cardiff an happily sit down

But if this palarse fan had been intimidated or taken a few slaps walking to the stadium he would be posting that cardiff fans are scum and should be in the welsh league
I loved ninian park but its gone and most of these away fans who go on about our lost passion were probably to shit to have turned up at ninian park..

Excellent post
Palace fans always have thought they are superior than anyone else ,all that they have are an old shitty ground with chavvy cheerleaders,a bunch of 15 year old idiots on a drum claiming to be ultras,and worse of all goal celebration music
The away leg semi final we had a vocal following and on their messageboard all their was were posts like "jack has been following his local side since 1835 and a rowdy cardiff fan knocked his thermoflask out of his hand etc"
Of course football is not what it was
Btw for the amount that was there I thought palaces support was shite,plus were was the "wembley way" banner
They need to take a look at themselves before having a pop at other fans

like it mate,you wish you was welsh don't you

But if this palarse fan had been intimidated or taken a few slaps walking to the stadium he would be posting that cardiff fans are scum and should be in the welsh league
I loved ninian park but its gone and most of these away fans who go on about our lost passion were probably to shit to have turned up at ninian park..

Excellent post
Palace fans always have thought they are superior than anyone else ,all that they have are an old shitty ground with chavvy cheerleaders,a bunch of 15 year old idiots on a drum claiming to be ultras,and worse of all goal celebration music
The away leg semi final we had a vocal following and on their messageboard all their was were posts like "jack has been following his local side since 1835 and a rowdy cardiff fan knocked his thermoflask out of his hand etc"
Of course football is not what it was
Btw for the amount that was there I thought palaces support was shite,plus were was the "wembley way" banner
They need to take a look at themselves before having a pop at other fans

like it mate,you wish you was welsh don't you

Im an honourary welshman ive been told (still cant stand rugby mind)