Multiculturalism - Mass immigration

Best way to settle this guys is get a photo of yourself shaking the hand of someone who is of a different ethnic background and post it here.

I'm Asian so if anyone wants me in their photo give me a shout out hahahahaha

As for your education argument neither of you is right neither of you are wrong. An academic education will give you all the theory with none of the practical knowledge, A real world education will give you all the practical knowledge with none of the theory.

You make a good point there but the problem is that everyone believes university is a memory and scribble down on the exam system when it is not. Most of my course is practical and assignment based because that is the best way to assess it and that's why the university is well known and has a good reputation for producing graduates in that sector.

Of course there are a lot of degrees at university where people can just revise the night before an exam and then fill it in and I agree these give students a bad name in my opinion. I believe the onus is on students to choose a degree that prepares them in the best possible way for the real world.

Before university I knew next to nothing in depth about computing. Now im fluent in PHP, XHTML, HTML5 and JavaScript. Fairly competent in Java and studying C++ now on the side. I have a strong understanding of AI and calculus and I am on course for a 1st class degree.

But taffyapple will probably tell you thats easy to obtain and nothing compared to life experience.

Well good for you I hope you achieve what you want. Though I wouldnt let Michael Gove hear your praise for the assignment system as he would have you take huge exam at the end of your 3 years and if you screw it up well thats just bad luck.

University has its place of course it does but like you say students have to be responsible for what they study and what they can do with their degree in working life. I dont agree that all university graduates should be jumped up the career ladder. Academic knowledge is not a marker for practical knowledge or leadership skills. Time and time again you hear stories of graduates not working because the pay isnt right and they deserve more. A hotel manager wanted to employ a graduate with a degree in tourism and leisure but the kid turned the job down because despite no practical knowledge he expected more money and was not prepared to work over the holiday periods or on weekends. Now I understand nobody wants to work over christmas and working on the weekends can be frustrating but if you study tourism and leisure is their not an expectation especially in your early career that you will be working during other peoples leisure time? I have afriend who has an engineering degree can tell you all the ins and outs of how and why an engine works, ask him to fix it when it breaks down, not a clue, plus he wouldnt fix it as thats above him. He now 'works' for an engineering firm to learn all the practicalities of his job, something in my opinion his education should have given him.

This country has had an over reliance on pure academia with a race to get on top of a world league table, which has created a bunch of lazy, arrogant work shy group who consider practical work demeaning. Ive said it before ill say it again, you can give everybody in this country a degree but somebody is still going to have to go round and pick up our rubbish and clean our streets.

right here we go lol

multiculturalism doesnt work everybody would like it to work, they like the principal of the idea but dont like putting that principal into a working ethic. Why? because people like to label themselves and you cant do anything about it.

This country is famous for its natural segregation with its class system, long before immigration was a problem. For better or worse this country likes the us v them scenario.

Why arent we all just called British? because we like to segregate ourselves Welsh, English, Scottish and Irish.

Its not racist, its not ignorant people like to be around their own kind be it whether your a upper class white public school educated man or a black african working class poorly educated man.

Fear also has its part to play people like the status quo, you start messing around with that people will leave. Take Heaton in Bradford for every 1 Muslim family who moved in 3 white families moved out. Why fear, fear that the price of your house will drop, fear that your quiet life will change.

Everybody likes the idea of multiculturalism, as long as they are not the ones who have to deal with it. Same principle that everybody likes the idea of green energy but nobody wants a wind farm spoiling their view.

As for your education argument neither of you is right neither of you are wrong. An academic education will give you all the theory with none of the practical knowledge, A real world education will give you all the practical knowledge with none of the theory.
Ill give you an example, understanding the law and statistics of why and how you get mugged in the country will not give you adequate defences against actually being mugged. A real world education will give you the correct defences against a mugging but not necessarily the theory of why muggings take place.

I'll give you a perfect example. All the statistical analysis in the world counts for shit
unless you can transfer that into practicality.

e.g. Football. No point being in possession of statistical data saying Alan Shearer is deadly
in the air, unless your going to put someone in the mix to challenge him for every ball.

All the statistics and analysis under the sun cannot mask the fact that colour/creed/religion
in Britain are (in many areas) starting to segregate. Not necessarily even consciously. But
its happening.

You are right but its not the real argument the argument is who is responsible for the segregation?

Is it the fact that as soon as one foreigner move in does the original population start to move out?

Or

Is it the fact that foreigners set out to create their own version of their native country and not willing to integrate?

Or

Is it a mixture of both.

Well good for you I hope you achieve what you want.

Cheers!

Though I wouldnt let Michael Gove hear your praise for the assignment system as he would have you take huge exam at the end of your 3 years and if you screw it up well thats just bad luck.

Gove is a knob.

University has its place of course it does but like you say students have to be responsible for what they study and what they can do with their degree in working life. I dont agree that all university graduates should be jumped up the career ladder. Academic knowledge is not a marker for practical knowledge or leadership skills.

100% agree.

Time and time again you hear stories of graduates not working because the pay isnt right and they deserve more. A hotel manager wanted to employ a graduate with a degree in tourism and leisure but the kid turned the job down because despite no practical knowledge he expected more money and was not prepared to work over the holiday periods or on weekends.

I think thats stupid though. Graduates don't deserve anything. They're paying for an education, not a guaranteed job. I only decided to go to university because I was passionate about the field and because of the percentage of students here who graduated and went into a graduate related field. Had the employability level not been so high I would have probably moved abroad to work, save up and set up my own web design business.

Im getting into thousands of pounds of debt and want a return on it and I suspect the government wants a return on the investment made on me and rightly so.

Now I understand nobody wants to work over christmas and working on the weekends can be frustrating but if you study tourism and leisure is their not an expectation especially in your early career that you will be working during other peoples leisure time? I have afriend who has an engineering degree can tell you all the ins and outs of how and why an engine works, ask him to fix it when it breaks down, not a clue, plus he wouldnt fix it as thats above him. He now 'works' for an engineering firm to learn all the practicalities of his job, something in my opinion his education should have given him.

Again I agree and that is why I enjoy my course. It teaches you the academia but it also teaches you the practical stuff through assessment. Had it been pure academia I would have, being honest, probably dropped out now. I hate the academia side of things and gain most of my marks through the assignments and doing stuff. I learn more from YouTube videos of people coding than I do in lectures to be honest and in course feedback I have stated I believe lectures are a waste of time for that type of course and I stand by that. I think it should be 100% practical based in a computer room like you would be if you were working in an office alongside other software engineers.

This country has had an over reliance on pure academia with a race to get on top of a world league table, which has created a bunch of lazy, arrogant work shy group who consider practical work demeaning. Ive said it before ill say it again, you can give everybody in this country a degree but somebody is still going to have to go round and pick up our rubbish and clean our streets.

Agree with you 100% on that also. There are many in university who are just milking the system. I honestly think all university assessment should be 100% practical. I have had practical exams (program an app in certain time frame) and whilst they are harder you actually learn stuff out of it which is more beneficial down the road.

The most annoying thing i've heard another student say though 'I need it to be quiet so that I can work. I can't work with any noise' yet this same person is likely to be working in a busy office in the future with telephones ringing all over the place and people coming to his desk to collaborate on projects.

No. An experiment gone tragically wrong. Our cities are now heavily segregated, huge communities do not have anything to do with each other. Our schools are at bursting point with the amount of foreign languages spoken, our inner cities lacking soul, British workers and craftsmen have been put out of business by Eastern Europeans looking for a quick buck. This is not the Cardiff I grew up in, Albany Road is littered with Albanian criminals.

Cities are not segregated so that is a lie. In my street there are Welsh, English, Russian and Asian people living. The only people causing segregation are racists continuously bringing up the issue to suit their own agenda. They like to cause a stir and get minorities to retaliate and look bad.

British people just think they have a right to earn a ridiculous amount of money even if they're unskilled. There are far more white girls getting pregnant to get housing and far more women from minorities as a percentage of their ethnic group going to university and studying sciences, engineering and medicine.

What a racist comment. Your intimating white girls are slags and black ones are all hard
working salt of the earth types?

Many City's ARE segregated, to say other wise is just ridiculous. Bradford/parts of Brum/
Toxteth/Oldham.... it is what it is. No point pretending it isnt happening

Ok, I think we both know he didn't intentionally mean to make racist, I know what he means and I agree to an extent. I work with a black caribbean woman, she's a f*cking hardworker and she only on minimum age, in a kitchen washing dishes etc, awful job, she hates it but still works her socks off. Compared to my other colleagues, she works the hardest in the entire restaurant.

I think Barnett perhaps shouldnt have generalised so much and tarnished all white girls with one brush etc, as we know there are alot of hard working White girls and some black girls are criminals or live of benefits and visa versa. Every society has their idiots and that's all they are, idiots.

right here we go lol

multiculturalism doesnt work everybody would like it to work, they like the principal of the idea but dont like putting that principal into a working ethic. Why? because people like to label themselves and you cant do anything about it.

This country is famous for its natural segregation with its class system, long before immigration was a problem. For better or worse this country likes the us v them scenario.

Why arent we all just called British? because we like to segregate ourselves Welsh, English, Scottish and Irish.

Its not racist, its not ignorant people like to be around their own kind be it whether your a upper class white public school educated man or a black african working class poorly educated man.

Fear also has its part to play people like the status quo, you start messing around with that people will leave. Take Heaton in Bradford for every 1 Muslim family who moved in 3 white families moved out. Why fear, fear that the price of your house will drop, fear that your quiet life will change.

Everybody likes the idea of multiculturalism, as long as they are not the ones who have to deal with it. Same principle that everybody likes the idea of green energy but nobody wants a wind farm spoiling their view.

As for your education argument neither of you is right neither of you are wrong. An academic education will give you all the theory with none of the practical knowledge, A real world education will give you all the practical knowledge with none of the theory.
Ill give you an example, understanding the law and statistics of why and how you get mugged in the country will not give you adequate defences against actually being mugged. A real world education will give you the correct defences against a mugging but not necessarily the theory of why muggings take place.

I'll give you a perfect example. All the statistical analysis in the world counts for shit
unless you can transfer that into practicality.

e.g. Football. No point being in possession of statistical data saying Alan Shearer is deadly
in the air, unless your going to put someone in the mix to challenge him for every ball.

All the statistics and analysis under the sun cannot mask the fact that colour/creed/religion
in Britain are (in many areas) starting to segregate. Not necessarily even consciously. But
its happening.

You are right but its not the real argument the argument is who is responsible for the segregation?

Is it the fact that as soon as one foreigner move in does the original population start to move out?

Or

Is it the fact that foreigners set out to create their own version of their native country and not willing to integrate?

Or

Is it a mixture of both.

Actually, you have just answered the REAL argument here, from page 1.

That there most definitely ARE 'separate areas' in many large British Citys that people
of different ethnic backgrounds gravitate to.

But 'Student Black' wouldnt have it. He'd sooner rip out his fingernails than admit someone
with less of an 'academic background' might be right, and him wrong.

He's wrong on another point too. He treated with disdain my claim that bin men or train
drivers might be better educated than him. Mocked my theory. Because these people haven't
been 'tested' or 'assessed' like he has, in his Uni world.

But thats no different to saying a man who has studied and practiced Kung Fu for 40 years and never been
to a grading CANNOT be as good at it as a 21 year old black belt. Ludicrous.

right here we go lol

multiculturalism doesnt work everybody would like it to work, they like the principal of the idea but dont like putting that principal into a working ethic. Why? because people like to label themselves and you cant do anything about it.

This country is famous for its natural segregation with its class system, long before immigration was a problem. For better or worse this country likes the us v them scenario.

Why arent we all just called British? because we like to segregate ourselves Welsh, English, Scottish and Irish.

Its not racist, its not ignorant people like to be around their own kind be it whether your a upper class white public school educated man or a black african working class poorly educated man.

Fear also has its part to play people like the status quo, you start messing around with that people will leave. Take Heaton in Bradford for every 1 Muslim family who moved in 3 white families moved out. Why fear, fear that the price of your house will drop, fear that your quiet life will change.

Everybody likes the idea of multiculturalism, as long as they are not the ones who have to deal with it. Same principle that everybody likes the idea of green energy but nobody wants a wind farm spoiling their view.

As for your education argument neither of you is right neither of you are wrong. An academic education will give you all the theory with none of the practical knowledge, A real world education will give you all the practical knowledge with none of the theory.
Ill give you an example, understanding the law and statistics of why and how you get mugged in the country will not give you adequate defences against actually being mugged. A real world education will give you the correct defences against a mugging but not necessarily the theory of why muggings take place.

I'll give you a perfect example. All the statistical analysis in the world counts for shit
unless you can transfer that into practicality.

e.g. Football. No point being in possession of statistical data saying Alan Shearer is deadly
in the air, unless your going to put someone in the mix to challenge him for every ball.

All the statistics and analysis under the sun cannot mask the fact that colour/creed/religion
in Britain are (in many areas) starting to segregate. Not necessarily even consciously. But
its happening.

You are right but its not the real argument the argument is who is responsible for the segregation?

Is it the fact that as soon as one foreigner move in does the original population start to move out?

Or

Is it the fact that foreigners set out to create their own version of their native country and not willing to integrate?

Or

Is it a mixture of both.

Actually, you have just answered the REAL argument here, from page 1.

That there most definitely ARE 'separate areas' in many large British Citys that people
of different ethnic backgrounds gravitate to.

But 'Student Black' wouldnt have it. He'd sooner rip out his fingernails than admit someone
with less of an 'academic background' might be right, and him wrong.

He's wrong on another point too. He treated with disdain my claim that bin men or train
drivers might be better educated than him. Mocked my theory. Because these people haven't
been 'tested' or 'assessed' like he has, in his Uni world.

But thats no different to saying a man who has studied and practiced Kung Fu for 40 years and never been
to a grading CANNOT be as good at it as a 21 year old black belt. Ludicrous.

I'm not young enough to know everything so I can't really say what is right .............

'Student Black'
.

Go on Alf

right here we go lol

multiculturalism doesnt work everybody would like it to work, they like the principal of the idea but dont like putting that principal into a working ethic. Why? because people like to label themselves and you cant do anything about it.

This country is famous for its natural segregation with its class system, long before immigration was a problem. For better or worse this country likes the us v them scenario.

Why arent we all just called British? because we like to segregate ourselves Welsh, English, Scottish and Irish.

Its not racist, its not ignorant people like to be around their own kind be it whether your a upper class white public school educated man or a black african working class poorly educated man.

Fear also has its part to play people like the status quo, you start messing around with that people will leave. Take Heaton in Bradford for every 1 Muslim family who moved in 3 white families moved out. Why fear, fear that the price of your house will drop, fear that your quiet life will change.

Everybody likes the idea of multiculturalism, as long as they are not the ones who have to deal with it. Same principle that everybody likes the idea of green energy but nobody wants a wind farm spoiling their view.

As for your education argument neither of you is right neither of you are wrong. An academic education will give you all the theory with none of the practical knowledge, A real world education will give you all the practical knowledge with none of the theory.
Ill give you an example, understanding the law and statistics of why and how you get mugged in the country will not give you adequate defences against actually being mugged. A real world education will give you the correct defences against a mugging but not necessarily the theory of why muggings take place.

I'll give you a perfect example. All the statistical analysis in the world counts for shit
unless you can transfer that into practicality.

e.g. Football. No point being in possession of statistical data saying Alan Shearer is deadly
in the air, unless your going to put someone in the mix to challenge him for every ball.

All the statistics and analysis under the sun cannot mask the fact that colour/creed/religion
in Britain are (in many areas) starting to segregate. Not necessarily even consciously. But
its happening.

You are right but its not the real argument the argument is who is responsible for the segregation?

Is it the fact that as soon as one foreigner move in does the original population start to move out?

Or

Is it the fact that foreigners set out to create their own version of their native country and not willing to integrate?

Or

Is it a mixture of both.

Actually, you have just answered the REAL argument here, from page 1.

That there most definitely ARE 'separate areas' in many large British Citys that people
of different ethnic backgrounds gravitate to.

But 'Student Black' wouldnt have it. He'd sooner rip out his fingernails than admit someone
with less of an 'academic background' might be right, and him wrong.

He's wrong on another point too. He treated with disdain my claim that bin men or train
drivers might be better educated than him. Mocked my theory. Because these people haven't
been 'tested' or 'assessed' like he has, in his Uni world.

But thats no different to saying a man who has studied and practiced Kung Fu for 40 years and never been
to a grading CANNOT be as good at it as a 21 year old black belt. Ludicrous.

I'm not young enough to know everything so I can't really say what is right .............

I'm not old enough to know it all either