what are proples thoughts on the edl?

I don't see the point in debating whether its initial credentials were fair or racist etc. The EDL are now, at present, little more than a gang of islamophobic thugs.

Their gas is cheap but avoid the electric

I don't see the point in debating whether its initial credentials were fair or racist etc. The EDL are now, at present, little more than a gang of islamophobic thugs.

Its very important.

If, initially, as appeared to be the case. They just wanted to be a platform for saying
NO to Anjem Choudary and his vile shite..

then why did the Establishment immediately set the Dogs of War on them. Press, media
Parliament... all rushed to tar them with the racist brush

Why not admit they had valid points re: Sharia law etc.

Why try so hard to silence them

I don't see the point in debating whether its initial credentials were fair or racist etc. The EDL are now, at present, little more than a gang of islamophobic thugs.

Its very important.

If, initially, as appeared to be the case. They just wanted to be a platform for saying
NO to Anjem Choudary and his vile shite..

then why did the Establishment immediately set the Dogs of War on them. Press, media
Parliament... all rushed to tar them with the racist brush

Why not admit they had valid points re: Sharia law etc.

Why try so hard to silence them

They didn't simply want to be a platform for saying no; that's a pretty naive view of their initial motives. Obviously they would say that they just wanted to 'oppose radical Islam' but they're hardly going to be truthful. They were a racist organisation from the start and that's clear in both their manifesto and demonstrations.

It's slightly unrealistic to say that the ''establishment' all conspired to brand them as racist. Don't you think it's more likely that they were/are, quite openly, racist?

They don't even have valid points about Sharia Law. They think that there is a genuine chance that the legal system in this country will be REPLACED by Sharia Law! I mean come on, that is just insanity.

I don't see the point in debating whether its initial credentials were fair or racist etc. The EDL are now, at present, little more than a gang of islamophobic thugs.

Its very important.

If, initially, as appeared to be the case. They just wanted to be a platform for saying
NO to Anjem Choudary and his vile shite..

then why did the Establishment immediately set the Dogs of War on them. Press, media
Parliament... all rushed to tar them with the racist brush

Why not admit they had valid points re: Sharia law etc.

Why try so hard to silence them

They didn't simply want to be a platform for saying no; that's a pretty naive view of their initial motives. Obviously they would say that they just wanted to 'oppose radical Islam' but they're hardly going to be truthful. They were a racist organisation from the start and that's clear in both their manifesto and demonstrations.

It's slightly unrealistic to say that the ''establishment' all conspired to brand them as racist. Don't you think it's more likely that they were/are, quite openly, racist?

They don't even have valid points about Sharia Law. They think that there is a genuine chance that the legal system in this country will be REPLACED by Sharia Law! I mean come on, that is just insanity.

The government funds and supports the UAF. Within days of the EDL saying they were
going to protest against Anjem Choudary... the UAF had hundreds mobilised. The press
the media was calling the EDL 'racist scum'

If you think that didnt happen than thats that innit.

Try ringing the UAF one day and asking them why they dont attack Choudary?

The EDL? racist or not are nowhere NEAR as bad as Choudarys cunts.

Yet nobody lifts a finger

Do you have any evidence to show that the UAF are government funded? I know they have support from politicians, but I don't think they're funded by the government.

Personally, I think that the EDL and Anjem Chodary are equally deplorable. Ironically they're both doing exactly the same thing; seriously damaging the image of muslims everwhere.

Ely Lanes

I don’t think people are calling you a nut job, or saying you love the EDL, or are even part of it…it’s just that your points aren't really valid.

in 20-30 years time we will be living under shaira's law – baseless guess. Where on Earth did you get this figure from? Surely have some statistics, even if you steal them from Wikipedia to show some form of increase that Sharia Law is beginning to overtake UK Law or something along those lines. Without it, you cannot really expect people to agree with you.

Everyone thinks about Muslim extremists in this country well what you see on the news is a fraction of actully what goes on – again, another baseless guess. How do you personally know about cases that the police do not know about? If you know about these cases, why aren’t YOU doing anything about them. If the EDL know about them, why aren’t THEY doing what they originally set out to do and notify the police? I am sure if the police knew about these and there were a large number of them, it would be in the media. Racism is a massive talking point at the moment...look at the football ffs.

There are blacks, whites, indians all religions that follow them. – I’d like to know the true answer to this. I’m not disagreeing with you, but I can’t imagine many Muslims being a part of the EDL helping them eradicate Extremists.

the media made it impossible to get there point across – Journos have received death threats from EDL organisers. Jason Parkinson from the Guardian and Mac Vallee both received death threats for following the EDL marches. Don’t you think the EDL are making it difficult for themselves?

so the leftys team up with the extremists, the ones who blew up London, the ones who think woman should be dressed head to toe, not be in the same room as men etc. – that is such a naïve statement. You are effectively saying that you believe anyone other than the EDL think that women should be dressed from head to toe and not in the same room of man. That must be one of the biggest stereotyping misconceptions I’ve seen in a long while.

Now I have no issue with the fact that the EDL was set up to eradicate Islamic terrorism and extremism, but the simple fact is that a lot of the EDL are mindless thugs. Why else would 4 specialist national police units involved in policing hooliganism, extreme violence, and terrorism be investigating the EDL?? Why does it cost up to £1,000,000 to police their marches in fear of violence to the general public?

While I don't necessarily agree with the burka, I have seen documentaries where women are happy to wear it. They are not forced, but choose to wear it. Of course, women should get the choice and maybe not all of them do, but look what happened in France. They banned the burka and the women were annoyed. I'm not saying what France did was right or wrong, that's another argument. I'm just pointing out that they are not all forced, which is what you implied in your post.

It’s not just Islamics they want to get rid of anymore, they set up an EDL Jewish division in 2010.

My honest opinion of the EDL is that they are White Nationalists and don’t like any other creed, colour, religion other than themselves…a bunch of thugs mostly, but then this is what I see in the media, but you think there is a whole other side 60 million other people don't really know about. I cannot comment on things I don't know, only things I do.

Facts are crucial for a sensible debate.

Oh, and calling people 'knuckleheads' and c**ts' isn't really going to win people over..it just makes you appear unable to hold a decent argument/debate.

Rant Over! (f**k me that was quite a long one).

Not got the time to reply to that now, will do later, some good points. Ye knuckle head were actually things I was called if you read through again

Not got the time to reply to that now, will do later, some good points. Ye knuckle head were actually things I was called if you read through again

haha yeah, I did also see you were called a f**king clown...it's not just down to you and I didn't mean to single you out for it.

another one for you

what I would do is stop all immigration straight away - Goodbye Helguson, Velikonja, Earnshaw, Kim Bo-Kyung I could go on...they are immigrants too.

Immigrate - to come into a country of which one is not a native for permanent residence

Ely Lanes

I don’t think people are calling you a nut job, or saying you love the EDL, or are even part of it…it’s just that your points aren't really valid.

in 20-30 years time we will be living under shaira's law – baseless guess. Where on Earth did you get this figure from? Surely have some statistics, even if you steal them from Wikipedia to show some form of increase that Sharia Law is beginning to overtake UK Law or something along those lines. Without it, you cannot really expect people to agree with you.

Everyone thinks about Muslim extremists in this country well what you see on the news is a fraction of actully what goes on – again, another baseless guess. How do you personally know about cases that the police do not know about? If you know about these cases, why aren’t YOU doing anything about them. If the EDL know about them, why aren’t THEY doing what they originally set out to do and notify the police? I am sure if the police knew about these and there were a large number of them, it would be in the media. Racism is a massive talking point at the moment...look at the football ffs.

There are blacks, whites, indians all religions that follow them. – I’d like to know the true answer to this. I’m not disagreeing with you, but I can’t imagine many Muslims being a part of the EDL helping them eradicate Extremists.

the media made it impossible to get there point across – Journos have received death threats from EDL organisers. Jason Parkinson from the Guardian and Mac Vallee both received death threats for following the EDL marches. Don’t you think the EDL are making it difficult for themselves?

so the leftys team up with the extremists, the ones who blew up London, the ones who think woman should be dressed head to toe, not be in the same room as men etc. – that is such a naïve statement. You are effectively saying that you believe anyone other than the EDL think that women should be dressed from head to toe and not in the same room of man. That must be one of the biggest stereotyping misconceptions I’ve seen in a long while.

Now I have no issue with the fact that the EDL was set up to eradicate Islamic terrorism and extremism, but the simple fact is that a lot of the EDL are mindless thugs. Why else would 4 specialist national police units involved in policing hooliganism, extreme violence, and terrorism be investigating the EDL?? Why does it cost up to £1,000,000 to police their marches in fear of violence to the general public?

While I don't necessarily agree with the burka, I have seen documentaries where women are happy to wear it. They are not forced, but choose to wear it. Of course, women should get the choice and maybe not all of them do, but look what happened in France. They banned the burka and the women were annoyed. I'm not saying what France did was right or wrong, that's another argument. I'm just pointing out that they are not all forced, which is what you implied in your post.

It’s not just Islamics they want to get rid of anymore, they set up an EDL Jewish division in 2010.

My honest opinion of the EDL is that they are White Nationalists and don’t like any other creed, colour, religion other than themselves…a bunch of thugs mostly, but then this is what I see in the media, but you think there is a whole other side 60 million other people don't really know about. I cannot comment on things I don't know, only things I do.

Facts are crucial for a sensible debate.

Oh, and calling people 'knuckleheads' and c**ts' isn't really going to win people over..it just makes you appear unable to hold a decent argument/debate.

Rant Over! (f**k me that was quite a long one).

Facts are crucial for a decent debate?

Yet you are happy to believe Journalists when they say they recieved death threats and
dont even consider that these threats could be fabricated to make the EDL look worse
than they really are.

As for the 4 special police units??

Oh dear. A blind man can see the EDL are pretty damn thick. They are no bloody threat to
society. For all anyone knows, their protests might have been peaceful. But again, the
government made sure that never happened. They are shit scared of a reasoned debate over
Islamic nutters - because it might just unmask a deeper problem

Or do you have an answer as to why hundreds of Muslims protest against the EDL yet never
utter a peep over Choudary

I don't see the point in debating whether its initial credentials were fair or racist etc. The EDL are now, at present, little more than a gang of islamophobic thugs.

The biggest racist thugs in this country are the muslim extremists themselves. The sooner do-gooders like you realise that, the better!

I don't see the point in debating whether its initial credentials were fair or racist etc. The EDL are now, at present, little more than a gang of islamophobic thugs.

The biggest racist thugs in this country are the muslim extremists themselves. The sooner do-gooders like you realise that, the better!

'Do-gooder'

Ely Lanes

I don’t think people are calling you a nut job, or saying you love the EDL, or are even part of it…it’s just that your points aren't really valid.

in 20-30 years time we will be living under shaira's law – baseless guess. Where on Earth did you get this figure from? Surely have some statistics, even if you steal them from Wikipedia to show some form of increase that Sharia Law is beginning to overtake UK Law or something along those lines. Without it, you cannot really expect people to agree with you.

Everyone thinks about Muslim extremists in this country well what you see on the news is a fraction of actully what goes on – again, another baseless guess. How do you personally know about cases that the police do not know about? If you know about these cases, why aren’t YOU doing anything about them. If the EDL know about them, why aren’t THEY doing what they originally set out to do and notify the police? I am sure if the police knew about these and there were a large number of them, it would be in the media. Racism is a massive talking point at the moment...look at the football ffs.

There are blacks, whites, indians all religions that follow them. – I’d like to know the true answer to this. I’m not disagreeing with you, but I can’t imagine many Muslims being a part of the EDL helping them eradicate Extremists.

the media made it impossible to get there point across – Journos have received death threats from EDL organisers. Jason Parkinson from the Guardian and Mac Vallee both received death threats for following the EDL marches. Don’t you think the EDL are making it difficult for themselves?

so the leftys team up with the extremists, the ones who blew up London, the ones who think woman should be dressed head to toe, not be in the same room as men etc. – that is such a naïve statement. You are effectively saying that you believe anyone other than the EDL think that women should be dressed from head to toe and not in the same room of man. That must be one of the biggest stereotyping misconceptions I’ve seen in a long while.

Now I have no issue with the fact that the EDL was set up to eradicate Islamic terrorism and extremism, but the simple fact is that a lot of the EDL are mindless thugs. Why else would 4 specialist national police units involved in policing hooliganism, extreme violence, and terrorism be investigating the EDL?? Why does it cost up to £1,000,000 to police their marches in fear of violence to the general public?

While I don't necessarily agree with the burka, I have seen documentaries where women are happy to wear it. They are not forced, but choose to wear it. Of course, women should get the choice and maybe not all of them do, but look what happened in France. They banned the burka and the women were annoyed. I'm not saying what France did was right or wrong, that's another argument. I'm just pointing out that they are not all forced, which is what you implied in your post.

It’s not just Islamics they want to get rid of anymore, they set up an EDL Jewish division in 2010.

My honest opinion of the EDL is that they are White Nationalists and don’t like any other creed, colour, religion other than themselves…a bunch of thugs mostly, but then this is what I see in the media, but you think there is a whole other side 60 million other people don't really know about. I cannot comment on things I don't know, only things I do.

Facts are crucial for a sensible debate.

Oh, and calling people 'knuckleheads' and c**ts' isn't really going to win people over..it just makes you appear unable to hold a decent argument/debate.

Rant Over! (f**k me that was quite a long one).

Facts are crucial for a decent debate?

Yet you are happy to believe Journalists when they say they recieved death threats and
dont even consider that these threats could be fabricated to make the EDL look worse
than they really are.

As for the 4 special police units??

Oh dear. A blind man can see the EDL are pretty damn thick. They are no bloody threat to
society. For all anyone knows, their protests might have been peaceful. But again, the
government made sure that never happened. They are shit scared of a reasoned debate over
Islamic nutters - because it might just unmask a deeper problem

Or do you have an answer as to why hundreds of Muslims protest against the EDL yet never
utter a peep over Choudary

To Debate is to engage in an argument by discussing opposing points. If the points are 'made up' it's not really a relevant debate. I'm surprised you question this.

The stuff I have commented on is in writing, whether it was in a paper, or the internet, or even seen on the TV. At least there is some base to what I am saying.

You don't criticise any of the comments made by Ely Lanes, which I pointed out had no truth to them

To be honest, the most important aspect for a decent debate is the ability to see the other person's argument, or side of the story. I have simply made reference to some of the flaws pointed out in the OP, not criticised him for his beliefs or opinions.

He even confirmed I made valid points...a sensible debate.

He stated the media do not give them a fair crack, to which I reference the recorded death threats....which you call fabricated.

I get the feeling it doesn't matter what kind of argument or retort someone has, you'll have some sort of answer like 'can't you see that is clearly fabricated', rather than 'I see your point, but I do believe that they are not given the platform that other groups are'

I didn't make any reference to the danger of the EDL to society, but your post seems to suggest otherwise. Posts in this thread said that the EDL were not thugs or hooligans etc. which is why I made the reference that 4 separate units were investigating them. They may not be a threat to society, at a cost of £300,000 to £1,000,000 to police their marches and demonstrations, clearly it shows that there is a concern of violence.

However, I am satisfied in the fact that I wrote a ridiculously long post and you could only pick out one flaw (unless you read the first line and that was enough for you)?

No, I do not 'have an answer as to why hundreds of Muslims protest against the EDL yet never utter a peep over Choudary'. Did I even confess to having an answer, or even mention Choudary, or anything to do with that fact.I think it's ridiculous to ask a question to which you already know the answer to.

I have no issue with the principle of why the EDL was formed, but according to what you said, they get a bad rep because the media 'fabricate' their stories. I cannot really argue because I cannot prove otherwise as I do not personally know the journos involved, but not allowed to believe what I have read.