' RAMSEY SACKED AS WALES CAPTAIN '

The capatain should be the 1st name pencilled in on Coleman's starting XI for each game and Ramsay will always be 1 of the names as will Bale and Bellamy ....... when fit Collins and Blake should start at the back which means Williams on bench . Even the mosy biased Jack must agree that Williams this season hasnt got any form and is overweight ?

NJ73, Take your Swans goggles off! There would be uproar if a Welsh man was captain of the English international team?

Coleman, Hartson, Williams as captain....... Can't you see what's happening and the slide since Speedo went? :-s

Williams has already captained Wales on several occasions so this is hardly ground breaking stuff.

He is also a natural leader. Something I've yet to see in Ramsey. Can someone please show me what attributes Ramsey has shown in order to be captain?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19833224

Ramsey should never have been captain.

He should be allowed to just concentrate on playing without the burden of captaincy which should be given to a more senior player.

Ok I can see some sense in that. But why that shit englishman who costs us and the jerks goals at virtually every game ?
He is overweight, unbelievably slow and is always stood waving his arms abour at set plays blaming others for mistakes.
Have you noticed how he never marks the main attacking threat? Just stands in a space marking no one, so he does not get the blame, but is quick to point the finger at others when a goal is conceded.

How many more times will he pass backwards and put the team under pressure/concede a goal?

Not good enough to play never mind captain the side.

And Englishman as captain???
If true I won't be going to the Scotland game

luke,how can he be welsh enough to play for you but not welsh enough to captain you?

He shouldn't be playing is the answer.

He is not Welsh so should not play, simples.

PS: he is also c**p, too slow and out of position too many times, If you are slow then intelligence can make up for it with positional sense, which he also lacks.

So what exactly has ramsey done wrong?

Not sure what CC is doing here. This cant be good for Rambo's confidence

whilst Ramsey is quite simply not a captain.

Whilst Williams is quite simply not Welsh.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... -31973722/

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/10/05/91466-31973722/

Maybe so - and if he's happy to relinquish it, great.

I'm not against Williams because he's Swansea.. It's because he's English. I'd be more than happy for Allen to captain the side, for example. I'd also be against Ben Turner captaining Wales if he ever accepted a call up - for the same reasons.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/10/05/91466-31973722/

Maybe so - and if he's happy to relinquish it, great.

I'm not against Williams because he's Swansea.. It's because he's English. I'd be more than happy for Allen to captain the side, for example. I'd also be against Ben Turner captaining Wales if he ever accepted a call up - for the same reasons.

yeah your right
the jacks on here will not listen to facts and reason though mate

Says the English bluebird

Ramsey should never have been captain in the first place anyway. Have you seen his interviews and press conferences? Jesus Christ, he's shyer than a 5-year-old!

He hasn't been in the most sparkling of form anyhow.

Who cares what hes like in front of the cameras its all about what he says in the dressing room and on the field. Anyway hes starting to get back into form and playing well for Arsenal more than Williams is for Swansea. If you were going to give it to a senior player I would have giving it back to Bellers if he was fit or to another senior Welsh player. I agree that it shouldnt been an englisman just a matter of principal plus the fact I bet if you asked him would you rather be Welsh not English I know how he would answer

He's playing for one of the world's top clubs. He's all over the place when he talks publicly.

100% disagree.
I can just about let it go having a Englishman in the team if they are proud to play for us but never ever ever a captain
Why not make Bale or Allen captain if he who cant manage don't want Ramsey.

Because neither of them have the ability to lead a team or be captain. Regardless of his couple of mistakes, Ashley Williams has captained a Premier League side for the majority of the last season when Monk and Tate haven't played whilst Ramsey is quite simply not a captain.

As for the argument that he's English, he's Welsh enough to play for the team so why shouldn't he be captain when he is the best leader in the team. He is obviously proud to be Welsh, turning up time and time again when so called proud Welshman like Gareth Bale have dropped out of the squad due to 'injury'. Hopefully he does make the games in the international break, but he is really struggling with an ankle injury, match fitness and illness.

He's the captain of Wales,
He's the captain of Wales,
Ashley Williams,
He's the captain of Wales.

100% agree.

2blue is an excellent poster but he's got a serious case of bias against the jacks in this case.

Williams has already captained Wales on several occasions so this is hardly ground breaking stuff.

He is also a natural leader. Something I've yet to see in Ramsey. Can someone please show me what attributes Ramsey has shown in order to be captain?

Exactly. I know this is going to be a permanent thing but where was the furore when he was captaining the side in previous games?

And Ramsey should never have been captain; can't see what he brings to the role. Joe Ledley is more of a leader than Ramsey is.

The capatain should be the 1st name pencilled in on Coleman's starting XI for each game and Ramsay will always be 1 of the names as will Bale and Bellamy ....... when fit Collins and Blake should start at the back which means Williams on bench . Even the mosy biased Jack must agree that Williams this season hasnt got any form and is overweight ?

You're joking, surely? Have you seen James Collins play for Wales?

Ramsey should never have been captain.

He should be allowed to just concentrate on playing without the burden of captaincy which should be given to a more senior player.

Ok I can see some sense in that. But why that shit englishman who costs us and the jerks goals at virtually every game ?
He is overweight, unbelievably slow and is always stood waving his arms abour at set plays blaming others for mistakes.
Have you noticed how he never marks the main attacking threat? Just stands in a space marking no one, so he does not get the blame, but is quick to point the finger at others when a goal is conceded.

How many more times will he pass backwards and put the team under pressure/concede a goal?

Not good enough to play never mind captain the side.

Thread should be locked now, it's embarrassing.

Says the English bluebird

yes,whats your point?

this is an absolute disgrace - any blame towards Ramsey not being effective enough in games is also f*cking out of order.

We've simply been hoofing the ball over our midfield since Coleman came in. Hoof it up to no one with the philosophy that we'll progress further up field this way regardless of whether we win the first header or not.

Coleman's tactics = men behind ball, long ball to progress and hit on counter using bale and others individual ability.

Speed's tactics = press high up, play out from back and through the midfield - slowly progressing further forward and compressing play high upfield. relying on the team's cohesiveness. losing the ball high up field was then pressed and won back closer to their goal, putting the other team under pressure.

Disgraceful step back from Wales. If I was a Welsh player I'd have quit out of respect for Speed. The welsh FA and Coleman have shown no respect in continuity at all - I'd have preferred a complete non-manager to have come in and kept everything else the same. Raymond V was a huge loss - the combination of his and Speed's ideas were the driving force behind the short but gradual success.

We spent a year getting to where we were tactically and in what seems like a few months Coleman has thrown the book out of the window and reverted back to 1950's tactics (Reep)

The capatain should be the 1st name pencilled in on Coleman's starting XI for each game and Ramsay will always be 1 of the names as will Bale and Bellamy ....... when fit Collins and Blake should start at the back which means Williams on bench . Even the mosy biased Jack must agree that Williams this season hasnt got any form and is overweight ?

No, the captain should be the leader of the team. Not the best player.

Also the fact you think Darcy Blake and James Collins are better than Ashley Williams is ridicolous. Because James Collins is in great form in the minute? Ok, Williams has fucked up twice this year but has been generally solid (backpasses aside) whilst Collins has fucked up twice this year and has been a defence liability for Wet Spam.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/10/05/91466-31973722/

Maybe so - and if he's happy to relinquish it, great.

I'm not against Williams because he's Swansea.. It's because he's English. I'd be more than happy for Allen to captain the side, for example. I'd also be against Ben Turner captaining Wales if he ever accepted a call up - for the same reasons.

But why is it the case that you've got no problem with him when he's English and playing in the national side, but because he becomes captain all of a sudden there's a problem. Cookie should be picking the best leader in the team to lead the team, regardless of where he was born. Joe Allen is not a leader, it would be a farce if he was given the captaincy as he's just not suited to it, whether he's one of our best players or not, same goes with Ramsey and Bale.

Ben Turner is a completely different case to Ashley Williams. Ashley Williams accepted his first call up and has never pulled out of an international squad, showing more commitment then Craig Bellamy and Gareth Bale who have pulled out of international squads on numerous occasions whilst showing pride wearing the shirt and captaining the country. Whilst Ben Turner does not consider himself in any way Welsh and quite simply does not want to play for Wales.

Ashley Williams (a Midlander) has taken the time and the trouble to actually learn the national anthem; something most of the Welsh-born Wales players can't be bothered doing.

Ramsey or Allen should be captain or Taylor when he's fit. All 3 of them are a higher level than any Welsh player other than Bale or Bellamy, who is old now. I wouldn't give it to Bale as his ego is already massive and if Ramsey is happy to be relieved then it should go to Allen in my opinion. He has done very well at Liverpool so far and is statistically their best player so he can obviously handle the pressure. Just what you want from a captain. He also, for a Jack, comes across as a nice bloke which is probably why he chose to leave before he got fully infected.

Ramsey or Allen should be captain or Taylor when he's fit. All 3 of them are a higher level than any Welsh player other than Bale or Bellamy, who is old now. I wouldn't give it to Bale as his ego is already massive and if Ramsey is happy to be relieved then it should go to Allen in my opinion. He has done very well at Liverpool so far and is statistically their best player so he can obviously handle the pressure. Just what you want from a captain. He also, for a Jack, comes across as a nice bloke which is probably why he chose to leave before he got fully infected.

Allen just doesn't seem like a captain. Taylor is an interesting shout, though. For such a young lad, he speaks excellently whenever I've seen him. Unlike Ramsey. Jesus Christ

what I dont get is why replace Ramsey now why not when he took over? :S

Ramsey should never have been captain.

He should be allowed to just concentrate on playing without the burden of captaincy which should be given to a more senior player.

So you think Williams an English should be?

Williams turns up for every game even when carrying an injury unlike some. He is committed to the cause so why not?

He has also been captain of a Premier League side for the last year and a bit so is surely the most qualified in the squad to take the armband?

Coleman: Let me think, "who's been shit for both club & country this season?".....Mmm I know "Ashley Williams!"

Coleman phones Williams........"Ashley, it's Chris here".....Williams replies, "what's up Gaffer?"

Coleman: "I'm getting shot of Rambo as captain, I've had a guts full, it's all over the Cardiff MB's they've recognised I haven't got a clue, I'll show 'em. I want you to be captain!"

Williams: "But gaffer, Is that wise I've been shit this season and probably shouldn't be in the side?"

Coleman: "I know that son, but we haven't exactly got any alternatives and I realise I'm up for the chop if we don't beat the Jocks so what the he'll."


I predict if this clown stays in charge much longer, we'll be back in the bowels of World football in no time with a 3 figure world rating.

Congratulations Welsh fa....pure genius!!

Ramsey should never have been captain.

He should be allowed to just concentrate on playing without the burden of captaincy which should be given to a more senior player.

So you think Williams an English should be?

Williams turns up for every game even when carrying an injury unlike some. He is committed to the cause so why not?

He has also been captain of a Premier League side for the last year and a bit so is surely the most qualified in the squad to take the armband?

Coleman: Let me think, "who's been shit for both club & country this season?".....Mmm I know "Ashley Williams!"

Coleman phones Williams........"Ashley, it's Chris here".....Williams replies, "what's up Gaffer?"

Coleman: "I'm getting shot of Rambo as captain, I've had a guts full, it's all over the Cardiff MB's they've recognised I haven't got a clue, I'll show 'em. I want you to be captain!"

Williams: "But gaffer, Is that wise I've been shit this season and probably shouldn't be in the side?"

Coleman: "I know that son, but we haven't exactly got any alternatives and I realise I'm up for the chop if we don't beat the Jocks so what the he'll."


I predict if this clown stays in charge much longer, we'll be back in the bowels of World football in no time with a 3 figure world rating.

Congratulations Welsh fa....pure genius!!

*FAW.

Jesus Christ, it's not hard, is it?

This opinion that Coleman has failed in his past jobs has only appeared in the last few weeks...

Fulham

Coleman joined Fulham's coaching staff in October 2002 under Tigana. He later succeeded the Frenchman as caretaker manager in April 2003, and steered Fulham away from relegation danger. He was named as Fulham's permanent manager in May 2003, beating the more experienced Klaus Toppmöller and George Burley to the post, and also became the youngest manager in the Premier League.[4]
His first full season in charge saw Fulham finish a surprise ninth place, as many pundits tipped them to struggle and for Coleman to be sacked.[5] Many of Fulham's key players, such as Edwin van der Sar, Louis Saha, Steed Malbranque and Luis Boa Morte, were sold in the following years and Fulham did not repeat their earlier successes under Coleman though he kept them clear of relegation. He was sacked in April 2007, after Fulham went on a seven game winless run.[6]


Real Sociedad

Coleman moved abroad to manage recently relegated Segunda División side Real Sociedad in June 2007, after being recommended to the club by fellow Welshman and former Real Sociedad manager John Toshack.[7] He was linked with Bolton Wanderers in October 2007[8] though nothing came of it. With the club in 5th place and having only lost once in its previous eleven games, Coleman resigned as manager on 16 January 2008, citing a divergence in vision for the club with newly elected President Iñaki Badiola.[9]

[edit]Coventry City

Coleman was appointed manager of Championship side Coventry City on 19 February 2008, signing a three-and-a-half-year contract. He replaced Iain Dowie, who had been sacked by new owner Ray Ranson.[10]
On 26 August 2008, the BBC reported that Coleman was no longer interested in the international success of Wales.[11] He later denied the allegation, however, telling BBC Radio Wales' Sportstime programme, "I've got to get him [Eastwood] fit for Coventry first and foremost, that's my job. When he is fit, I'd drive him down the motorway myself if I had to for him to play for Wales. I've played for Wales myself and I preferred playing for my country than any club I've played for. I can promise you that I love Wales, I'm very patriotic and that will never change."[12] On 4 May 2010, Coleman was sacked following Coventry's 19th place finish during the 2009–10 season,[13] their lowest league finish in more than 45 years. I accept this move was a failure


[edit]Larissa

In May 2011, Coleman was appointed as manager of Greek side Larissa.[14] In January 2012, Coleman announced that because of financial troubles at the club he would be quitting from his position as manager.[15]
During His time In Greece, Coleman only lost 1 game out of 12, only conceding 3 goals and scoring 16. Due to financial and corruption difficulties the season didnt start until late 2011. During pre-season they played 20 games. winning 14, drawing 4 and losing 2. He was adored by the fans, and there were many planned riots and protests when he left citing financial difficulties as the reasons, (having not been paid for 3 months along with many of the players). In the immediate 12 games after Coleman left, Larissa lost 9 out of 12 games, drawing 2 and winning only 1.


Not bad eh?

bale, bellamy or hennesy as captain but not williams.
I gave the chuckle brothers a chance but now I will boycott games until managment is changed.....a non welshman captains Wales.