joe allen -- team GB

all this because england drew in what is basically a friendly match, football shouldnt even be part of the olympics. not proffesional football anyway, also dont think the welsh players should be there it was also going to be classed as 'england' and not britain.

WELSH NOT BRITISH

I don't get all this allen versus ramsey crap they are both great welsh midfielders ffs totally different midfielders who hopefully will compliment each other when they play for wales and try and get us to the world cup on tonights evidence I thought the welsh lads did us proud.

Agreed, not really about comparing the two but trying to get the ignoramus RM to admit he is wrong by blaming the goal solely on Ramsey. He won't of course but it's fun to see what crap he comes up with next.

I didn't blame the goal solely on Ramsey. In reply to the the poster who said Ramsey had a better game than Allen I said it was his pass that led to the equaliser and Allen rarely gave the ball away.

All which of course are facts.

So you admit others in the team were at fault for the goal then?

They could have done more to attempt to prevent it. But the reason they were allowed to counter attack is Ramsey giving the ball away.

Pretty simple.

Sometimes in football players lose the ball. I think it's only come in in the modern game as back in the day a team would keep it for the whole half from kick off. All your nonsense but eventually you admit that others in the team could have done more i.e. defenders didn't defend.

Pretty simple.

I never said others weren't to blame as I don't think they were, I believe Ramsey was at fault for the goal as his bad pass directly set up the counter attack which they scored from. This cannot be disputed, it is a fact.

This was in reply to the post which stated Ramsey played better than Allen.

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I never mentioned Allen in that context. You know nothing about football.
Simple

Allen is much better than Ramsey. Stats dont lie. Ramsey were to be valued in todays market he'd be around £12m. Allen is valued at about £15m. Thats about fair IMO.

Ramsey has the potential to be better but he's improving very slowly and thats down to Wenger. Ramsey probably thought Wenger would be the best to help him improve but then Wilshere came onto the scene and Wenger went with his favourite England boy.

Both Ramsey and Allen are better than Henderson and Wilshere.

Dont forget that ramsey nearly had his leg amputed by that thug shawcross I think he has done amazing to come back at all, the arsenal fans gave him shit cos he ain't fabregas, I thought ramsey should of started ahead of that overated cleverly who tried to play the allen role when he went off and was shit, ramsey looked great when he came on wtf is pearce up to, and I found it great watching welsh players playing in a tournament how good would it be to see wales in a tournament.

Agreed.

But I wasn't talking to you, you jumped in on half a conversation.... Which was about Ramsey and Allen.

I know it was Ramseys fault for the goal and Allen rarely gave the ball away.

That's all that matters in this instance.

Cheers

Allen is much better than Ramsey. Stats dont lie. Ramsey were to be valued in todays market he'd be around £12m. Allen is valued at about £15m. Thats about fair IMO.

Ramsey has the potential to be better but he's improving very slowly and thats down to Wenger. Ramsey probably thought Wenger would be the best to help him improve but then Wilshere came onto the scene and Wenger went with his favourite England boy.

Both Ramsey and Allen are better than Henderson and Wilshere.

Who made you the expert at valuing players? Maybe Ramseys progression was stalled by his horrific injury? Time will tell. If Brenda hadn't left your lot to go to Liverpool, do you think any other team would pay 15m for him?

And wilshere is better than both Allen and Ramsey. Are you for real?

1. Im a Cardiff fan
2. Stats dont lie jackass
3. Wilshere is horrifically overrated

Ramsey and Allen are both much better than Wilshere. Wilshere supposed to be the next big thing in England, change teh style of play and everyone, hes shit. Then came along Cleverley, the GOD GIVEN REPLACEMENT OF SCHOLES but he is shit and Ferguson knew it so he went and spent in the transfer window, THEN HENDERSON, THE £20M WONDER PLAYER WHO WAS GOING TO BE THE NEXT GERRARD. GOD GIVE ME STRENGTH, ENGLISH PEOPLE ARE DELUDED, THEY'RE ALL OVERRATED.

Both Allen and Ramsey are better than them all. The stats also prove Ramsey is more beneficial to Arsenal when he plays.

The only thing Wilshere is better at is passing. Ramsey scores more, he has more assists. Wilshere is better at linking up but Ramsey is more influential. When he didn't play Arsenal suffered. He's obviously not as good as Cesc but hes still class.

http://goonerboy.blogspot.com/2012/02/i ... tical.html

STATISTICAL ANALYSIS IS VITAL. LEARN THE GAME USING OPTA OK. NOOB.

Allen is much better than Ramsey. Stats dont lie. Ramsey were to be valued in todays market he'd be around £12m. Allen is valued at about £15m. Thats about fair IMO.

Ramsey has the potential to be better but he's improving very slowly and thats down to Wenger. Ramsey probably thought Wenger would be the best to help him improve but then Wilshere came onto the scene and Wenger went with his favourite England boy.

Both Ramsey and Allen are better than Henderson and Wilshere.

Who made you the expert at valuing players? Maybe Ramseys progression was stalled by his horrific injury? Time will tell. If Brenda hadn't left your lot to go to Liverpool, do you think any other team would pay 15m for him?

And wilshere is better than both Allen and Ramsey. Are you for real?

1. Im a Cardiff fan
2. Stats dont lie jackass
3. Wilshere is horrifically overrated

Ramsey and Allen are both much better than Wilshere. Wilshere supposed to be the next big thing in England, change teh style of play and everyone, hes shit. Then came along Cleverley, the GOD GIVEN REPLACEMENT OF SCHOLES but he is shit and Ferguson knew it so he went and spent in the transfer window, THEN HENDERSON, THE £20M WONDER PLAYER WHO WAS GOING TO BE THE NEXT GERRARD. GOD GIVE ME STRENGTH, ENGLISH PEOPLE ARE DELUDED, THEY'RE ALL OVERRATED.

Both Allen and Ramsey are better than them all. The stats also prove Ramsey is more beneficial to Arsenal when he plays.

The only thing Wilshere is better at is passing. Ramsey scores more, he has more assists. Wilshere is better at linking up but Ramsey is more influential. When he didn't play Arsenal suffered. He's obviously not as good as Cesc but hes still class.

http://goonerboy.blogspot.com/2012/02/i ... tical.html

STATISTICAL ANALYSIS IS VITAL. LEARN THE GAME USING OPTA OK. NOOB.

1. I believe you're a jack.
2. What's with the names? Ever heard the saying lies, damn lies and statistics? How did we ever judge a players ability without studying figures on a screen? when you watch a game, do you reserve judgment as to who has played well until you read the stats? Do stats tell you how good the pass was, how many men a player beat before passing or shooting, how good the goal actually was, how good the tackle was, did it stop a certain goal, did a simple pass miss a much better opportunity but the player didn't have the vision to see it, etc etc etc
3. I didn't mention any other players, nor did I say Ramsey was better than Allen. If you asked football managers which of the midfielders they would want in their side, I reckon most if not all would say wilshere.

So calm down, stop ranting and pull your head of the stats screen ffs

I dont think hes a jack just a kid whose played too much football manager

I dont think hes a jack just a kid whose played too much football manager

No im a scout but this know it all plonker thinks he knows better. I was going to continue entertaining him though for a laugh.

So Carpe Diem, please tell me.... as i'd love you tell me what my job entails.......

He believes anyone is a jack that says the truth and doesn't embellish facts.

Take it a compliment, I do.

I dont think hes a jack just a kid whose played too much football manager

No im a scout but this know it all plonker thinks he knows better. I was going to continue entertaining him though for a laugh.

So Carpe Diem, please tell me.... as i'd love you tell me what my job entails.......

Who are you a scout for then?

I dont think hes a jack just a kid whose played too much football manager

No im a scout but this know it all plonker thinks he knows better. I was going to continue entertaining him though for a laugh.

So Carpe Diem, please tell me.... as i'd love you tell me what my job entails.......

Who are you a scout for then?

None of your business. If I told you that would give up my identity on a quick google search and I know that on forums some people can be right weirdo's searching you up.

I dont think hes a jack just a kid whose played too much football manager

No im a scout but this know it all plonker thinks he knows better. I was going to continue entertaining him though for a laugh.

So Carpe Diem, please tell me.... as i'd love you tell me what my job entails.......

Who are you a scout for then?

None of your business. If I told you that would give up my identity on a quick google search and I know that on forums some people can be right weirdo's searching you up.

Well thats mighty convenient

I dont think hes a jack just a kid whose played too much football manager

No im a scout but this know it all plonker thinks he knows better. I was going to continue entertaining him though for a laugh.

So Carpe Diem, please tell me.... as i'd love you tell me what my job entails.......

Who are you a scout for then?

None of your business. If I told you that would give up my identity on a quick google search and I know that on forums some people can be right weirdo's searching you up.

You mean you're in the scouts more like. Dream on stato. Notice you didn't come back on any of my points?

Doesn't matter if he's a scout or not, hes simply saying what happened.

He believes anyone is a jack that says the truth and doesn't embellish facts.

Take it a compliment, I do.

Put it like that then you couldnt be further away from being a jack

I dont think hes a jack just a kid whose played too much football manager

No im a scout but this know it all plonker thinks he knows better. I was going to continue entertaining him though for a laugh.

So Carpe Diem, please tell me.... as i'd love you tell me what my job entails.......

Who are you a scout for then?

None of your business. If I told you that would give up my identity on a quick google search and I know that on forums some people can be right weirdo's searching you up.

You mean you're in the scouts more like. Dream on stato. Notice you didn't come back on any of my points?

He believes anyone is a jack that says the truth and doesn't embellish facts.

Take it a compliment, I do.

Put it like that then you couldnt be further away from being a jack

I agree

He believes anyone is a jack that says the truth and doesn't embellish facts.

Take it a compliment, I do.

Put it like that then you couldnt be further away from being a jack

I agree

Excellent we agree. I'll trade in calling you a jack for calling you a liar and someone who embellishes the facts.
Thank you for making it so easy for me

He believes anyone is a jack that says the truth and doesn't embellish facts.

Take it a compliment, I do.

Put it like that then you couldnt be further away from being a jack

I agree

Excellent we agree. I'll trade in calling you a jack for calling you a liar and someone who embellishes the facts.
Thank you for making it so easy for me

Again that makes no sense at all.

He believes anyone is a jack that says the truth and doesn't embellish facts.

Take it a compliment, I do.

Put it like that then you couldnt be further away from being a jack

I agree

Excellent we agree. I'll trade in calling you a jack for calling you a liar and someone who embellishes the facts.
Thank you for making it so easy for me

Again that makes no sense at all.

Nothing makes sense to you when you've been out thought

Out thought?

Re-read your play school messages...

Out thought?

Re-read your play school messages...

Your the one in their bedroom.

What's with the generic smiley?

If you two are going to argue can you do it on the other thread

If you two are going to argue can you do it on the other thread

Ok

Typical conversation with carpe diem...

Me.... With our economic climate I can't see the business sense in tan staying on another year.

Carpe.... You are a jack you can't see anything

Me.... Ok. But we do spend 103% of our income on wages.

Carpe... Go to your bedroom

Me.... Whats that got to do with anything

carpe... I'm out thinking you, I'm winning, I really am

Me.... Winning what? I, discussing the clubs finances

Carpe.... You don't have any finances you are poor

Me.... Why are you posting like a child

Carpe.... A child is winning, I'm winning and beating you

Me.... Okay



Repeat process again

I dont think hes a jack just a kid whose played too much football manager

No im a scout but this know it all plonker thinks he knows better. I was going to continue entertaining him though for a laugh.

So Carpe Diem, please tell me.... as i'd love you tell me what my job entails.......

So RedBluebird, please tell me what from my post you didn't agree with?
Dib Dib Dib

Typical conversation with carpe diem...

Me.... With our economic climate I can't see the business sense in tan staying on another year.

Carpe.... You are a jack you can't see anything

Me.... Ok. But we do spend 103% of our income on wages.

Carpe... Go to your bedroom

Me.... Whats that got to do with anything

carpe... I'm out thinking you, I'm winning, I really am

Me.... Winning what? I, discussing the clubs finances

Carpe.... You don't have any finances you are poor

Me.... Why are you posting like a child

Carpe.... A child is winning, I'm winning and beating you

Me.... Okay



Repeat process again

Wow that must have taken ages
Alas misleading. You forgot to add the bits where you avoid any questions then continue to lie and twist posts to read what you want. Don't forget we have just agreed you are a liar and embellish the facts.
Anyway off this thread

105 words taken me ages? about 2 mins at a pace of roughly a word every second and a half.... Much like your message above with 160 odd words in it trying to convince people red bluebird is a jack.... Even though most know he isn't

Nice one.

Oh and why say you are out of the thread when Everyman and his dog know you will be back for some more embarrassing retorts

105 words taken me ages? about 2 mins at a pace of roughly a word every second and a half.... Much like your message above with 160 odd words in it trying to convince people red bluebird is a jack.... Even though most know he isn't

Nice one.

Oh and why say you are out of the thread when Everyman and his dog know you will be back for some more embarrassing retorts

You have actually counted words . Your sadness knows no bounds
And the post to RedBluebird was about players and stats so again wrong
And I didn't say I was out of the thread but suggested we took it elsewhere in keeping with what cjbluebird said.

Still chuckling over your word count though, made my week

And there it is right on time