" WEDNESDAY APRIL 4th 2012 UPDATE "

I agree with your point that he didn't mention his name,but however you cover for carl the fact of the matter is that the update has left open the opourtunity for people to speculate what Craig's problem is and who the player is that's had the argument with Malky. Already its caused Gerrard to read the thread which he is clearly going to mention on the training ground today which could cause problems.What if Craig didn't want the other players to know about his problems now theres all sorts or rumours going around about him.These kind of updates about players personal problems should be left off messageboards even if the problem isn't named.If the players are damaging the club then it should be left till the end of the season when it won't affect the dressing room.For all the people saying why should this sort of thing upset the players etc. why take the chance leave it till the end of the season and you don't take that risk!

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If asked I would have said best not to publish anything that is personal.

What should have happened is the club or player/manager come out with the reasons at the time

I think this is the crux of the issue. Some people believe that we have a right to know everything, or at at least pretty much everything, that happens at our club. This doesn't just include what is happening on the field, but the finances, players' personal problems - the lot. Carl is pandering to these people.

Now I'm as curious as anyone about the Lansgston debt, why MM doesn't start with Craig Conway, why Joe Ralls has fallen off the radar, etc. But I'm willing to accept that not only don't I have an absolute right to know, it might not be in the best interests of the club and it's players if I am told.

So no, I don't think CC should need to tell us about what is a personal matter - the clue is in the term 'personal'.

What do you mean you haven't mentioned any names, you mentioned Conway??? Very very unfair and unacceptable. IT'S PERSONAL PROBLEMS, clue's in the name, you don't know Craig personally(I'm sure youll say you do), you know nothing about the blokemexcept that he plays for City and used to be a barber It's up to him, he hasn't come out with a personal issue yet so how dare you stirr.

In regards to the other player. Don't you realise here??? It dosen't matter whether you name or not, innocent until proven guilty, it's obvious people will stirr and get ideas in their head so you have no right to publish that either, just say nothing UNTIL the end of the season.

Yet again, at the buisness end of the season, controversy on this board, leading more players to be further away from the club and it's fans.

The fact is the two issues were put out when really they should not have. Had they not everyone would have read the update and that would have been that. Other than increased readership of the update thread what was the point. My opinion is that yet again such comments and inclusions in the update thread are nothing less than negative and hinder the club. As a fan of almost 60 years I deplore them and they should stop NOW, they are causing no end of damage.

the problem you got here geezers is that this carl character sees himself as some sort of champion of the fans and that it allows him to get away with anything he wants using this forum as his vehicle for promoting his ego a few years ago we had a similar problem at the bridge with a geezer who was slandering players on the head hunters forum and a few weeks later he had a fearful hiding from some lads paid off by a particular player and was never heard from again on the board
of course we dont need a carl at our club when we have jt to drag our name through the shit

What should have happened is the club or player/manager come out with the reasons at the time

I think this is the crux of the issue. Some people believe that we have a right to know everything, or at at least pretty much everything, that happens at our club. This doesn't just include what is happening on the field, but the finances, players' personal problems - the lot. Carl is pandering to these people.

Now I'm as curious as anyone about the Lansgston debt, why MM doesn't start with Craig Conway, why Joe Ralls has fallen off the radar, etc. But I'm willing to accept that not only don't I have an absolute right to know, it might not be in the best interests of the club and it's players if I am told.

So no, I don't think CC should need to tell us about what is a personal matter - the clue is in the term 'personal'.

As i said i can see both sides,but look at not just us but other clubs for examples Flecter at Man Utd just this season,Ethrington at Stoke,and last season/this Chops,along with McPhail the clubs and players have come out to explain why these players would not play again untill things are sorted within themsleves.
IMO - This all stops people questioning and asking questions to why players are not being played.

What do you mean you haven't mentioned any names, you mentioned Conway??? Very very unfair and unacceptable. IT'S PERSONAL PROBLEMS, clue's in the name, you don't know Craig personally(I'm sure youll say you do), you know nothing about the blokemexcept that he plays for City and used to be a barber It's up to him, he hasn't come out with a personal issue yet so how dare you stirr.

In regards to the other player. Don't you realise here??? It dosen't matter whether you name or not, innocent until proven guilty, it's obvious people will stirr and get ideas in their head so you have no right to publish that either, just say nothing UNTIL the end of the season.

Yet again, at the buisness end of the season, controversy on this board, leading more players to be further away from the club and it's fans.

Or just say nothing at all. Its rumours like that that makes fans turn on players and makes squad morale shit because the players involved will be wondering who has told their business to some random person on a messageboard. Conway must be feeling devestated that his personal issues, things that he has confided in someone not to tell has been leaked onto a messageboard.

it could also make the players not trust each other
if it is personal it should never have left the managers office
or if he wanted it made public he would have contacted his agent
an made a statement to the media.

it could also make the players not trust each other
if it is personal it should never have left the managers office
or if he wanted it made public he would have contacted his agent
an made a statement to the media.

Is the correct answer. Anything from the middle shelf.

it could also make the players not trust each other
if it is personal it should never have left the managers office
or if he wanted it made public he would have contacted his agent
an made a statement to the media.

Agreed and when it does eventually come to see the light of day directly from Craig, if what someone has claimed on here is right (the gambling) then you can 100% guarantee that people will be like "Oh Carl you were right all along" etc etc like they did with Chopra etc. Fact of the matter is, its THEIR PERSONAL LIVES, we have no right to know what happens in their personal lives. His personal problem could be that hes a stickler for ale or loves one too many take aways, could be that his parents/family members are ill, could be that he got an sti from a dodgy bint from Cardiff. Whatever it is we have no right to know what his personal problems are and we have no right to hear that hes having personal problems. If Craig wanted people to know he would have said "Look city fans, im going through a rough patch at the moment, the support would be appreciated" but no, he hasn't. Now as you've said he will be wondering who has told this matter to Carl as if he has only told Malky then he is going to lose trust in his manager as his manager has broken a confidentiality that should stay in the managers office. If it is a player then Craig may not want to be featured in the same team as someone he would be calling his friend. All speculation at the end of the day and that is what is ruining the club. Speculation.

Over all this update is very positive and shows our future is a bright one, even if we fail this season, next one will be even better.

Annis,

Do you think it's acceptable for Craig Conway's name to be put out in this update and saying he's experiencing personal problems? What positive effect can that have for anyone?

Secondly, what did you/Carl think would happen when you say a player has had a falling out with Malky. Did you think that everyone would just say ok, let's wait till the end of the season. Or did you think it would just fire up a load of speculation. Surely the later is the obvious choice.

Genuinely interested in what you think releasing these two points has achieved?

Thanks

We have had people questioning why Craig Conway isn't as involved as he should be in their eyes, obviously if the lad is having problems, then getting support off the club and the fans will go some way to helping him overcome them surely, what's the saying aout a problem shared.
I remmber Matt Brazier on eo four past players was having serious anxiety and panic attacks problems, but after a while of bottling them uop, he opened up and the support he got helped him no end.
I actually wrote him a personal letter and a reply by following post, thanking me and telling me how much of a lift mine and others help had given him, and knowing so many people were behind him helped him face up to things.

Surely, we can't have it both ways, you got people asking what had Earnie or .Darcy done wrong and have they upset Malky, well, what if they have, shouldn't we let him deal with it is own way, I don't think we need to know about any misdemeanors etc. We should be leaving the manager to deal with them in any way he sees fit, but if they are having problems, then having the support and help off others may be just what they need, possibly we as fans can make some allowances, such as the Tom Heaton thing when he was suffering with a lack of confidence and a few nerves, imagine having us on his backs balling him out, surely better we understand and help.


How people can turn Carl's update into a negative based post is beyond me.

Could be Kiss - he seems to be out of the picture, or Ralls what's happened to him, or Kadeem of course as he should have been on the bench by now.

Carl, I think mentioning Conways problems are totally out of order and un called for

I agree with this. If I was Conway I'd be very unhappy. Just because you have information about something it doesn't mean you have to share it with the world.

Hopefully Carl, if you ever experience any personal issues and confide in a friend, it won't end up on an internet message board.

the club/player may have agreed to put this out.they may not of done.carl didn,t state the nature of his problem.that and its treatment were posted by someone else.

I didn't claim that he did. He did however reveal that Craig is - allegedly - having problems. Personally if that were me I'd rather choose myself whether I wanted it made public. Also you'd have to be very naive to think that saying such a thing wouldn't lead to speculation about what those problems are.

Carl actually says its all been sorted even you your self have asked this in the past.


by robin_friday » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:06 pm

Karl wrote:
Players like Joe Ralls deserve a chance.

Agreed. So do Heaton, Blake, Conway, Kiss...
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Over all this update is very positive and shows our future is a bright one, even if we fail this season, next one will be even better.

Annis,

Do you think it's acceptable for Craig Conway's name to be put out in this update and saying he's experiencing personal problems? What positive effect can that have for anyone?

Secondly, what did you/Carl think would happen when you say a player has had a falling out with Malky. Did you think that everyone would just say ok, let's wait till the end of the season. Or did you think it would just fire up a load of speculation. Surely the later is the obvious choice.

Genuinely interested in what you think releasing these two points has achieved?

Thanks

We have had people questioning why Craig Conway isn't as involved as he should be in their eyes, obviously if the lad is having problems, then getting support off the club and the fans will go some way to helping him overcome them surely, what's the saying aout a problem shared.
I remmber Matt Brazier on eo four past players was having serious anxiety and panic attacks problems, but after a while of bottling them uop, he opened up and the support he got helped him no end.
I actually wrote him a personal letter and a reply by following post, thanking me and telling me how much of a lift mine and others help had given him, and knowing so many people were behind him helped him face up to things.

Surely, we can't have it both ways, you got people asking what had Earnie or .Darcy done wrong and have they upset Malky, well, what if they have, shouldn't we let him deal with it is own way, I don't think we need to know about any misdemeanors etc. We should be leaving the manager to deal with them in any way he sees fit, but if they are having problems, then having the support and help off others may be just what they need, possibly we as fans can make some allowances, such as the Tom Heaton thing when he was suffering with a lack of confidence and a few nerves, imagine having us on his backs balling him out, surely better we understand and help.


How people can turn Carl's update into a negative based post is beyond me.

But Carl`s post clearly says Craig Conway told the manager, no-one else

1) if he had wanted the issue to be more widely known , he would have made a more public announcement

2) what right has whoever told Carl (it is fair to assume Craig Conway didn`t ) about this to do so?

3) what right or reason has Carl got to publicise whatever he has been told about a highly personal issue?

The rest of the update is all well and good. Some things mentioned already well known and previously discussed , and some not. But this need to bring in personal matters without that person`s express permission , particularly following the furore which rightly followed about the false re-occurence of Stephen McPhail`s cancer claim , is beyond me.

I am sure that neither Carl nor Annis would appreciate personal and private matters of theirs being raised and discussed on a public forum.

Over all this update is very positive and shows our future is a bright one, even if we fail this season, next one will be even better.

Annis,

Do you think it's acceptable for Craig Conway's name to be put out in this update and saying he's experiencing personal problems? What positive effect can that have for anyone?

Secondly, what did you/Carl think would happen when you say a player has had a falling out with Malky. Did you think that everyone would just say ok, let's wait till the end of the season. Or did you think it would just fire up a load of speculation. Surely the later is the obvious choice.

Genuinely interested in what you think releasing these two points has achieved?

Thanks

We have had people questioning why Craig Conway isn't as involved as he should be in their eyes, obviously if the lad is having problems, then getting support off the club and the fans will go some way to helping him overcome them surely, what's the saying aout a problem shared.
I remmber Matt Brazier on eo four past players was having serious anxiety and panic attacks problems, but after a while of bottling them uop, he opened up and the support he got helped him no end.
I actually wrote him a personal letter and a reply by following post, thanking me and telling me how much of a lift mine and others help had given him, and knowing so many people were behind him helped him face up to things.

Surely, we can't have it both ways, you got people asking what had Earnie or .Darcy done wrong and have they upset Malky, well, what if they have, shouldn't we let him deal with it is own way, I don't think we need to know about any misdemeanors etc. We should be leaving the manager to deal with them in any way he sees fit, but if they are having problems, then having the support and help off others may be just what they need, possibly we as fans can make some allowances, such as the Tom Heaton thing when he was suffering with a lack of confidence and a few nerves, imagine having us on his backs balling him out, surely better we understand and help.


How people can turn Carl's update into a negative based post is beyond me.

But Carl`s post clearly says Craig Conway told the manager, no-one else

1) if he had wanted the issue to be more widely known , he would have made a more public announcement

2) what right has whoever told Carl (it is fair to assume Craig Conway didn`t ) about this to do so?

3) what right or reason has Carl got to publicise whatever he has been told about a highly personal issue?

The rest of the update is all well and good. Some things mentioned already well known and previously discussed , and some not. But this need to bring in personal matters without that person`s express permission , particularly following the furore which rightly followed about the false re-occurence of Stephen McPhail`s cancer claim , is beyond me.

I am sure that neither Carl nor Annis would appreciate personal and private matters of theirs being raised and discussed on a public forum.

keith
Lets be honest you and your little band of followers wait for any chance to twist Carls words or make something out of them, when lets be really honest Carls update is a very positive one is it not ?

Quite a few people on all mb's need to take a good look at themselves and be honest.
What about our fans who have turned on Rudy/Miller etc etc and Malky's tactics etc etc Do you think they've been positive about them ?
Carl has been very positive in his update and honest with it, he has shown how Malky can work with players and sort things out and give them a chance.
Has everyone forget what was in the rest of the update ?

Carl, I think mentioning Conways problems are totally out of order and un called for

I agree with this. If I was Conway I'd be very unhappy. Just because you have information about something it doesn't mean you have to share it with the world.

Hopefully Carl, if you ever experience any personal issues and confide in a friend, it won't end up on an internet message board.

the club/player may have agreed to put this out.they may not of done.carl didn,t state the nature of his problem.that and its treatment were posted by someone else.

I didn't claim that he did. He did however reveal that Craig is - allegedly - having problems. Personally if that were me I'd rather choose myself whether I wanted it made public. Also you'd have to be very naive to think that saying such a thing wouldn't lead to speculation about what those problems are.

Carl actually says its all been sorted even you your self have asked this in the past.


by robin_friday » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:06 pm

Karl wrote:
Players like Joe Ralls deserve a chance.

Agreed. So do Heaton, Blake, Conway, Kiss...
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That's not a question Annis, it's a statement that I think those players deserve a chance. I see nothing wrong with that - opinions are what message boards are for isn't it?

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I have been told by somebody that i know that they are in the same gamblers anonymous group as conway

.be careful what you print about people in those groups mate.he might not want his anonimitty broken.that should come of him and him alone.im a member of a similar group.i don,t mind people knowing but some people don,t want people knowing their buisness because of their jobs etc.hence the anonymous name.not a dig just pointing out

totally agree, that why its called gamblers ANONYMOUS and your mates a prick for telling you that

I do apologise, in hindsight shouldnt have said this.I got a little caught up in the thread

I hope he gets a run in the team because his performances certainly deserve it

I agree.

Over all this update is very positive and shows our future is a bright one, even if we fail this season, next one will be even better.

Annis,

Do you think it's acceptable for Craig Conway's name to be put out in this update and saying he's experiencing personal problems? What positive effect can that have for anyone?

Secondly, what did you/Carl think would happen when you say a player has had a falling out with Malky. Did you think that everyone would just say ok, let's wait till the end of the season. Or did you think it would just fire up a load of speculation. Surely the later is the obvious choice.

Genuinely interested in what you think releasing these two points has achieved?

Thanks

We have had people questioning why Craig Conway isn't as involved as he should be in their eyes, obviously if the lad is having problems, then getting support off the club and the fans will go some way to helping him overcome them surely, what's the saying aout a problem shared.
I remmber Matt Brazier on eo four past players was having serious anxiety and panic attacks problems, but after a while of bottling them uop, he opened up and the support he got helped him no end.
I actually wrote him a personal letter and a reply by following post, thanking me and telling me how much of a lift mine and others help had given him, and knowing so many people were behind him helped him face up to things.

Surely, we can't have it both ways, you got people asking what had Earnie or .Darcy done wrong and have they upset Malky, well, what if they have, shouldn't we let him deal with it is own way, I don't think we need to know about any misdemeanors etc. We should be leaving the manager to deal with them in any way he sees fit, but if they are having problems, then having the support and help off others may be just what they need, possibly we as fans can make some allowances, such as the Tom Heaton thing when he was suffering with a lack of confidence and a few nerves, imagine having us on his backs balling him out, surely better we understand and help.


How people can turn Carl's update into a negative based post is beyond me.

But Carl`s post clearly says Craig Conway told the manager, no-one else

1) if he had wanted the issue to be more widely known , he would have made a more public announcement

2) what right has whoever told Carl (it is fair to assume Craig Conway didn`t ) about this to do so?

3) what right or reason has Carl got to publicise whatever he has been told about a highly personal issue?

The rest of the update is all well and good. Some things mentioned already well known and previously discussed , and some not. But this need to bring in personal matters without that person`s express permission , particularly following the furore which rightly followed about the false re-occurence of Stephen McPhail`s cancer claim , is beyond me.

I am sure that neither Carl nor Annis would appreciate personal and private matters of theirs being raised and discussed on a public forum.

keith
Lets be honest you and your little band of followers wait for any chance to twist Carls words or make something out of them, when lets be really honest Carls update is a very positive one is it not ?

Annis

I don`t claim to have , or particularly feel the need to have , any "little band of followers".

As you regularly state on here , everyone is entitled to an opinion and I merely express mine. People can , and regularly do , disagree with my opinions but at least I do try and support why I have such views. I can`t see where I have "twisted" Carl`s words at all. Unless his post has been edited since I read it , its contents were quite clear - it disclosed personal and private information about a player.

As I say elsewhere on this board today ,the rest of Carl`s thread is all well and good - its partly "new" news and partly a repeat of things that have been posted and discussed before. But the bit I object to - and it seems others have reached the same view independently - is the need to publish personal and private information about someone without their permission.Neither Carl (he may be in work and unable to do so)nor anyone else has explained why he felt the need or benefit to do so.That`s why I raised the questions (as yet unanswered) in response to Gwyn`s post.

Keith

Manchester City didn't buy work ethic, they bought anything that moved, and now they have individuals and not a team.

Leicester didn't buy work ethic they paid a lot of money for a manager, and players who didn't deliver, and where are they.

West ham didn't buy work ethic, they bought anybody to stop any one else having them, and now they have to go into the lottery and I don't think they will make it.

Notts Forest didn't buy work ethic, and now they are down in the relegation zone.

I don't think I need to say any more.

Oh God what is this crap ....

Looking over West Ham are way above us and have far more of a chance of going up than us. I love the way you've quite conveniently left out the likes of Reading, Blackpool and brum. It's getting to the stage Malky could buy a breeze block and you lot would praise it and give this load of tosh in 'Malky We Trust' .
We need class not just work ehtic , its all about getting the ball in the back of the net and we're utterly inept in that dept of late, with a Striker who's goal to game ratio is sh8t (more so given his wage bill)

agree

its all very well having work ethic etc.. but you still need that bit of quality as well. one moment of quality can bring a goal and goals win games... running around chasing the ball for 90 mins is great if you have a mr motivator dvd but offers nothing towards winning the game...

To be fair would much be needed to get that blend of hardwork and flair. QPR built a team of workmen around tarrabt last season and borini joining the jacks put them where they are now. IF we hold onto whits just some speed and width is all we need. The margins are so fine in this league

In my personal opinion, Conway needs to sort his f*cking head out, and get on with things, its f*cking LIFE, we all go through shit, just cos he's a footballer, it don't make him special, and secondly, if players are falling out with the manager, why don't the board grow some f*cking balls and haul both parties in and get it sorted, and just f**k off whoever is to blame....

Another problem last night was that somebody twisted things then went on Twitter and more or less told Ant Gerrard that Carl was spreading incorrect rumours about him , that's the twisted bit if you ask me ?

Have to keep a close eye on Gerrards tweets

In my personal opinion, Conway needs to sort his f*cking head out, and get on with things

In my personal opinion you have no idea whatsoever what Craig Conway's personal problem is (it might be gambling, drinking or a child may have been diagnosed with leukemia for all you know) but you are happy to tell him what to do anyway. Top man!

In my personal opinion, Conway needs to sort his f*cking head out, and get on with things

In my personal opinion you have no idea whatsoever what Craig Conway's personal problem is (it might be gambling, drinking or a child may have been diagnosed with leukemia for all you know) but you are happy to tell him what to do anyway. Top man!

You are correct, I don't know, and if it was something bad like the third thing you mention then i would take it back, but if it is gambling, come on like, my placepot just went down in the second race at Folkestone, I'm hardly reaching for the painkillers, get on with it.

Quite a few people on all mb's need to take a good look at themselves and be honest.
What about our fans who have turned on Rudy/Miller etc etc and Malky's tactics etc etc Do you think they've been positive about them ?
Carl has been very positive in his update and honest with it, he has shown how Malky can work with players and sort things out and give them a chance.
Has everyone forget what was in the rest of the update ?

Totally agree with Gwyn's comments ala "How people can turn Carl's update into a negative based post is beyond me."

I merely read the updates and take on board the information in the manner in which they were provided - No more, no less....AND, importantly, without any cynical edge in looking to flip the content into World War 3 mode!

The latest update therefore seemed straightforward, informative, and actually DID NOT name any individuals, funnily enough. I, for one, am always interested to know what's happening at my club, and if there's a squad member who has had a fallout with the manager, and another who has personal problems he's overcoming then it's interesting to be aware of it in my view. The names were not shared by Carl, so I am scratching my head at the subsequent witch hunt that appears to have followed it!

Looking back at Chopra being 'moved on' for a cut price £1m at the end of last season - had we not known of the numerous 'issues' the player had in terms of discipline etc, then his departure for that price would have been a total shock - In fact, it made absolute sense given what we knew by that stage, with the Club's stance to not tolerate any further issues.

Having just read (in the main) pages of sensational spite and accusation following the post, I will ensure that I apply my own discipline in future - This being to merely read the update, accept it for what it is, and quit straight out of the thread, before getting sucked into reading the sniping and context changing that generally follows it.

In fact, I think Carl should probably do the same frankly - unless he looks forward to being demonised regularly, following an 'in good faith' update!