" WHERE ARE THE LOAN PLAYERS ? "

Carl I dont no how you keep posting your updates on here you just get slammed damned if you do and damned if you dont.Fair play and thankyou for keeping it going I admire you for that.

To comment on your update you cant fault the owners backing of the club and you cant fault what Malky has achieved so far.

The one area which is isnt working that well is the ability to sign new players we have had an opportunity to sign players just like all the other clubs and we have failed to do so apart from 1 loan player.

I dont no the exact reason for failing to get players in but if we fail to get anymore players in then all the good work achieved so far will be in vain and I think we will fall away a bit in the table and that would be a real shame.

9 out of 10 for malky on the pitch and 2 out of 10 off it what ever the reasons someone at the club is not good enough and the failure to bring players in has to be addressed I dont suppose the agents of players help the situation and other clubs will try for the same players that we want but we have to have a back up plan to sign other targets which are out there.

Anyway its a cock up in my eyes and something that needs addressing ASAP or the team position in the table will suffer watch this space it will be interesting to see what happens and I hope they sort it out.

Nice post Carl!!!

Surely after a detailed update from Carl regarding the Malaysians now
OBVIOUS commitment to Cardiff City Football Club...

Is it not time one of the one post wonders, or Angry Gran, MG or Daya came online
as themselves and posted a detailed rebuttal.....????

Give us facts and figures****** fellers of where when and how Mr Tan has let Cardiff City
down, sold us down the river, failed to deliver etc etc????????

Or will you please finally f**k off. Please?

Bluebirds1977, dunno how old you are but it takes a big man to admit
he's wrong. Your clutching at straws on this thread desperate to discredit
ANY positive news about them too. Cant figure you out. But i'll get over it!!


***** By the way, we already know that Vincent Tan pumped
millions into Cardiff City, the World renowned Football Club, just so it would convince
tens of millions of diehard Cardiff City fans over there to vote for his mate

(so try harder thickboys!)

I have no idea who you are either taffyapple just some random guy who posts who's also the same as anyone else on here but others make games i guess your not in that league.
Where am i clutching at straws,We knew all this in the update VT&TG have come out saying they was backing MM many times and have contact weekly(which i still do not believe) Yet carl is now saying its MM who is not spending this,so why has MM been saying for the last seven months "WE NEED NEW PLAYERS TO SUSTAIN A PUSH AT THE TOP" oh yea because there not the rite player my arse
We are then told loan players have not come due to problems over there wages ,yet we have owners who are supposed to be saying "WHERES THE PLAYERS" and the spend spend.
The transfer window was a shambles 31days to get players in KNOWING FULL WELL we needed them and bidding 3-4hrs before dealine yet now we are told MM had millions according to the owners who are on the blower to mm and co everyday.
Taffy we was told it was a total of well over 4.5million thats alot of money to have sitting around in MM office keeping warm by the kettle for 31days.
You know as well as myself MM will blame the squad size when we slip out of the playoffs sooner or later come may with the squad we have weather it be players out on there feet or injurys one of these will cost us.
We was 3rd in the league and 3points above 4th place before the jan transfer window come what did we do with this mystery money MM has been told to get players in with,he had 31days after all.There was no better time than then to get players in........NOTHING thats what we done as there not here in the squad as im typing this.
You can all stick your head in the clouds thats the way you see things,we are all diffrent but if you think sitting in this league year after year is a good thing and the owners popping up 16-18million thats without anything else on top just to keep the club afloat every season then theres only so long this will go on for so WHERES THE RETURN??
Thats why i can not understand when we was in 3rd points above everyone else below and done nothing in the window.Where do the malaysians expect a return from answer me this taffy?? because if there supposed 16-18million there putting in every season for past debts carry on when do they draw the line after all we do not have a SQUAD to get promoted even the die hard fans can see that rite now.WHERE THE RETURN?? (its ok having lots of good things going on behind the scenes but nothing going on what really matters the SQUAD which it all boils down to taffy. Sooner or later somethings going to give if we do not chase the 90million prize for getting to the prem.
Never mind we are in a cup final

Last edited by Bluebird1977 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:54 am, edited 1 time in total.

Thanks for the update Carl as always an interesting read but sadly people still question some of the information you provide.

When Poyet, Noone, Dyche and Sordell are all on record saying that deals were in place to sign for Cardiff and were only changed late on the final day of the transfer window, in respect of Sordell as late as 7pm which was the exact time MM said the deal fell through, then how can people possibly question anything in the update. It absolutely baffles me.

No one should doubt the club had a real go a signing a couple of quality players during the transfer window but sadly it didn't come off. Now we are dealing in the loan market and first and foremost we need to get the club to agree to release the player, then get the player to agree to come. Hopefully MM will be able to get some deals done but if not expect some real action in the summer as MM continues to build our squad.

Is it right that Scunthorpe have asked to extend the Jon Parkin loan until the end of the season also have Palace been back in for Keinan? Good deals for all parties if deals can e done here.

carl i havent read all replies,but why are we being "PROPPED UP" to the sum of 1.5 million a month........thats shocking

carl i havent read all replies,but why are we being "PROPPED UP" to the sum of 1.5 million a month........thats shocking

the money being invested is into paying off historical debt left by other owners and chairmen and there is significant investment going into our youth and acadamy set ups.
The new set up in treforest puts us up there with premier league clubs facility wise and is a sign of the malaysians long term plans.

Interesting and it was my belief he was backed, tbh nothing else made sense.

I don't like the idea of them pressurising him into making loans though, the wrong


no it's not, option 2 would be to go with what we have got then use the remainder of this seasons budget in the summer in a buyers market to add to an already capable group of players.
This would minimiwe are preparing for other teams

If thats the case why did we not do the same before the deadline in JAN after all we was 3rd and 3points above 4th at the time now i feel its to late,there was no better time than then, for sure if we had this so called spend spend owners on MM back yet waited untill last few hours to bid for some players yet had 31days to get players .Who knows if we will see 3rd next year at all,come on guys wake up will you

77 you're really not that bright are you.
A) we did bid in january after identifying suitable targets.
B) I have already stated that the summer is a buyers market.
C) Maybe Malky doesn't see it as the be all and end all to get promotion (this year).

Just cos you have a one tracked mind and immediate on the pitch success is all that is important to you, doesn't necessarily mean that everyone at the club is in the same rush that you are

loan window hasn't closed yet so let's enjoy the cup final and then see what happens

Interesting and it was my belief he was backed, tbh nothing else made sense.

I don't like the idea of them pressurising him into making loans though, the wrong


no it's not, option 2 would be to go with what we have got then use the remainder of this seasons budget in the summer in a buyers market to add to an already capable group of players.
This would minimiwe are preparing for other teams

If thats the case why did we not do the same before the deadline in JAN after all we was 3rd and 3points above 4th at the time now i feel its to late,there was no better time than then, for sure if we had this so called spend spend owners on MM back yet waited untill last few hours to bid for some players yet had 31days to get players .Who knows if we will see 3rd next year at all,come on guys wake up will you

77 you're really not that bright are you.
A) we did bid in january after identifying suitable targets.
B) I have already stated that the summer is a buyers market.
C) Maybe Malky doesn't see it as the be all and end all to get promotion (this year).

Just cos you have a one tracked mind and immediate on the pitch success is all that is important to you, doesn't necessarily mean that everyone at the club is in the same rush that you are

Humblegringo what sort of questions are these ,If im not very bright if thats the case your questions are full of floors so you must be rite
A) we did bid in january after identifying suitable targets.
Like MM only had THREE targets during this window for all 31days,wake up will you
B) I have already stated that the summer is a buyers market.
Well accoring to carl they want players now and in the past so whats another time got to do with it??.
C) Maybe Malky doesn't see it as the be all and end all to get promotion (this year).
Thats obvious because its so clear now he had a supposed millions to spend while we was in 3rd and 3points clear of 4th before the window closed ,get real will you

If I was a manager - I would want to spend large sums of money on Assets for the club. I would never waste substantial amounts of money on loans! If I could get the right loan at a reasonable amount then yes.

Malky may have had more than THREE targets as you so put it, but may have only found it worthwhile bidding on three? IMO the Matt Phillips bid was only made to pressurise Brighton into selling Noone, and if Malky had enquired about other players only to be told they're aren't for sale, not interested in leaving or are simply unaffordable then I'd doubt he'd need to make those public?

I would gather any negotiating for Sordell & Noone was day days maybe even weeks before the window ended - just because we only heard at the last minute that we bid £3m for Sordell doesn't actually mean the bid was made last minute?? As far as it sounds we were only gazumped last minute by a premier league team. YES, we maybe should have moved it on a little sooner, but there will be real reasons why we couldn't tie these deals up earlier. After all, Malky said he was on his way to us (literally) before Bolton came in! (agent touting behind players back for example!)

I'm certainly not in a rush for premier league football next season, although I'd still like us to give it a bloody good go! If we have to do that with what we have got then so be it, but this season for me is all about rebuilding and gelling again, and still with a shout at a play off place!

Not bad for a team we all expected to do alot poorer than what they have this year!

If I was a manager - I would want to spend large sums of money on Assets for the club. I would never waste substantial amounts of money on loans! If I could get the right loan at a reasonable amount then yes.

Malky may have had more than THREE targets as you so put it, but may have only found it worthwhile bidding on three? IMO the Matt Phillips bid was only made to pressurise Brighton into selling Noone, and if Malky had enquired about other players only to be told they're aren't for sale, not interested in leaving or are simply unaffordable then I'd doubt he'd need to make those public?

I would gather any negotiating for Sordell & Noone was day days maybe even weeks before the window ended - just because we only heard at the last minute that we bid £3m for Sordell doesn't actually mean the bid was made last minute?? As far as it sounds we were only gazumped last minute by a premier league team. YES, we maybe should have moved it on a little sooner, but there will be real reasons why we couldn't tie these deals up earlier. After all, Malky said he was on his way to us (literally) before Bolton came in! (agent touting behind players back for example!)

I'm certainly not in a rush for premier league football next season, although I'd still like us to give it a bloody good go! If we have to do that with what we have got then so be it, but this season for me is all about rebuilding and gelling again, and still with a shout at a play off place!

Not bad for a team we all expected to do alot poorer than what they have this year!

Craig here is an article in the Daily Mail about Sordell;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... drama.html

Absolutely confirms that the deal was done until Bolton arrived on the scene at 7.00pm, not only does it completely confirm everything Carl has said about this bid but shows that Watford were still touting him around after reaching agreement with us.

Hre is an article about Noone who says he was pinching himself about Cardiff making a £1.2m bid for him. It also confirms that it was the Brighton Chairman who stopped that transfer going through, again exactly as Carl updated.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... t-Brighton

The club did the best it could to sign the right players for the squad and the owners were prepared to support MM with £m's to get them.

Just didn't happen but not from the want of trying.

Nice post Carl!!!

Surely after a detailed update from Carl regarding the Malaysians now
OBVIOUS commitment to Cardiff City Football Club...

Is it not time one of the one post wonders, or Angry Gran, MG or Daya came online
as themselves and posted a detailed rebuttal.....????

Give us facts and figures****** fellers of where when and how Mr Tan has let Cardiff City
down, sold us down the river, failed to deliver etc etc????????

Or will you please finally f**k off. Please?

Bluebirds1977, dunno how old you are but it takes a big man to admit
he's wrong. Your clutching at straws on this thread desperate to discredit
ANY positive news about them too. Cant figure you out. But i'll get over it!!


***** By the way, we already know that Vincent Tan pumped
millions into Cardiff City, the World renowned Football Club, just so it would convince
tens of millions of diehard Cardiff City fans over there to vote for his mate

(so try harder thickboys!)

I have no idea who you are either taffyapple just some random guy who posts who's also the same as anyone else on here but others make games i guess your not in that league.
Where am i clutching at straws,We knew all this in the update VT&TG have come out saying they was backing MM many times and have contact weekly(which i still do not believe) Yet carl is now saying its MM who is not spending this,so why has MM been saying for the last seven months "WE NEED NEW PLAYERS TO SUSTAIN A PUSH AT THE TOP" oh yea because there not the rite player my arse
We are then told loan players have not come due to problems over there wages ,yet we have owners who are supposed to be saying "WHERES THE PLAYERS" and the spend spend.
The transfer window was a shambles 31days to get players in KNOWING FULL WELL we needed them and bidding 3-4hrs before dealine yet now we are told MM had millions according to the owners who are on the blower to mm and co everyday.
Taffy we was told it was a total of well over 4.5million thats alot of money to have sitting around in MM office keeping warm by the kettle for 31days.
You know as well as myself MM will blame the squad size when we slip out of the playoffs sooner or later come may with the squad we have weather it be players out on there feet or injurys one of these will cost us.
We was 3rd in the league and 3points above 4th place before the jan transfer window come what did we do with this mystery money MM has been told to get players in with,he had 31days after all.There was no better time than then to get players in........NOTHING thats what we done as there not here in the squad as im typing this.
You can all stick your head in the clouds thats the way you see things,we are all diffrent but if you think sitting in this league year after year is a good thing and the owners popping up 16-18million thats without anything else on top just to keep the club afloat every season then theres only so long this will go on for so WHERES THE RETURN??
Thats why i can not understand when we was in 3rd points above everyone else below and done nothing in the window.Where do the malaysians expect a return from answer me this taffy?? because if there supposed 16-18million there putting in every season for past debts carry on when do they draw the line after all we do not have a SQUAD to get promoted even the die hard fans can see that rite now.WHERE THE RETURN?? (its ok having lots of good things going on behind the scenes but nothing going on what really matters the SQUAD which it all boils down to taffy. Sooner or later somethings going to give if we do not chase the 90million prize for getting to the prem.
Never mind we are in a cup final

Right.

First of all.

Your response was passionate and i cant fault that. I no longer believe you
are one of the I hate Malaysia brigade..

I cannot figure out why you are so distrustful of them though? Admittedly
Sam, Ridsdale, etc etc... all these ended up being less than truthful with
us. A lot of whats happened at this Club has left a bad taste in the mouth.

My view is..

The ONLY real evidence we have as to how committed they are lies in the
current condition of Cardiff City Football Club. We are looking a very solid
business right now. We have terrific new facilities, a very good new set-up
for both the youths and first team squads. Our new manager has got us to
a Cup Final in his first season, and we are in the Play-off positions. You know
better than I do how the team is performing week in week out. I've only
watched half a dozen games this season. Its obvious to everyone that we do
need fresh faces.

I CHOOSE to believe the new regime when they say they are backing the
manager. I do so because nobody can provide ONE SHRED of evidence that
they aren't. Whereas evidence of their efforts are unmissable.

(i.e. We're still alive and kicking and NOBODY is at our throats for money)

You CHOOSE to believe the fans are being stitched up in some way. Your
choice.

But I'm going on hard evidence, not scaremongering story's from 'fans'
with ulterior motives.

Nice post Carl!!!

Surely after a detailed update from Carl regarding the Malaysians now
OBVIOUS commitment to Cardiff City Football Club...

Is it not time one of the one post wonders, or Angry Gran, MG or Daya came online
as themselves and posted a detailed rebuttal.....????

Give us facts and figures****** fellers of where when and how Mr Tan has let Cardiff City
down, sold us down the river, failed to deliver etc etc????????

Or will you please finally f**k off. Please?

Bluebirds1977, dunno how old you are but it takes a big man to admit
he's wrong. Your clutching at straws on this thread desperate to discredit
ANY positive news about them too. Cant figure you out. But i'll get over it!!


***** By the way, we already know that Vincent Tan pumped
millions into Cardiff City, the World renowned Football Club, just so it would convince
tens of millions of diehard Cardiff City fans over there to vote for his mate

(so try harder thickboys!)

I have no idea who you are either taffyapple just some random guy who posts who's also the same as anyone else on here but others make games i guess your not in that league.
Where am i clutching at straws,We knew all this in the update VT&TG have come out saying they was backing MM many times and have contact weekly(which i still do not believe) Yet carl is now saying its MM who is not spending this,so why has MM been saying for the last seven months "WE NEED NEW PLAYERS TO SUSTAIN A PUSH AT THE TOP" oh yea because there not the rite player my arse
We are then told loan players have not come due to problems over there wages ,yet we have owners who are supposed to be saying "WHERES THE PLAYERS" and the spend spend.
The transfer window was a shambles 31days to get players in KNOWING FULL WELL we needed them and bidding 3-4hrs before dealine yet now we are told MM had millions according to the owners who are on the blower to mm and co everyday.
Taffy we was told it was a total of well over 4.5million thats alot of money to have sitting around in MM office keeping warm by the kettle for 31days.
You know as well as myself MM will blame the squad size when we slip out of the playoffs sooner or later come may with the squad we have weather it be players out on there feet or injurys one of these will cost us.
We was 3rd in the league and 3points above 4th place before the jan transfer window come what did we do with this mystery money MM has been told to get players in with,he had 31days after all.There was no better time than then to get players in........NOTHING thats what we done as there not here in the squad as im typing this.
You can all stick your head in the clouds thats the way you see things,we are all diffrent but if you think sitting in this league year after year is a good thing and the owners popping up 16-18million thats without anything else on top just to keep the club afloat every season then theres only so long this will go on for so WHERES THE RETURN??
Thats why i can not understand when we was in 3rd points above everyone else below and done nothing in the window.Where do the malaysians expect a return from answer me this taffy?? because if there supposed 16-18million there putting in every season for past debts carry on when do they draw the line after all we do not have a SQUAD to get promoted even the die hard fans can see that rite now.WHERE THE RETURN?? (its ok having lots of good things going on behind the scenes but nothing going on what really matters the SQUAD which it all boils down to taffy. Sooner or later somethings going to give if we do not chase the 90million prize for getting to the prem.
Never mind we are in a cup final

Right.

First of all.

Your response was passionate and i cant fault that. I no longer believe you
are one of the I hate Malaysia brigade..

I cannot figure out why you are so distrustful of them though? Admittedly
Sam, Ridsdale, etc etc... all these ended up being less than truthful with
us. A lot of whats happened at this Club has left a bad taste in the mouth.

My view is..

The ONLY real evidence we have as to how committed they are lies in the
current condition of Cardiff City Football Club. We are looking a very solid
business right now. We have terrific new facilities, a very good new set-up
for both the youths and first team squads. Our new manager has got us to
a Cup Final in his first season, and we are in the Play-off positions. You know
better than I do how the team is performing week in week out. I've only
watched half a dozen games this season. Its obvious to everyone that we do
need fresh faces.

I CHOOSE to believe the new regime when they say they are backing the
manager. I do so because nobody can provide ONE SHRED of evidence that
they aren't. Whereas evidence of their efforts are unmissable.

(i.e. We're still alive and kicking and NOBODY is at our throats for money)

You CHOOSE to believe the fans are being stitched up in some way. Your
choice.

But I'm going on hard evidence, not scaremongering story's from 'fans'
with ulterior motives.

One final thing. I do not make many games now. Havent for a couple of
seasons. I now wont for another season at least. But by all accounts MG
gets to most games and I reckon Leighton b*stard James has more of
an allegiance to this Club than he does. MG dont love Cardiff City.

I do.

Right.

First of all.

Your response was passionate and i cant fault that. I no longer believe you
are one of the I hate Malaysia brigade..
Just because i have my doubts like some fans on here it does not mean im on the hate brigade

I cannot figure out why you are so distrustful of them though? Admittedly
Sam, Ridsdale, etc etc... all these ended up being less than truthful with
us. A lot of whats happened at this Club has left a bad taste in the mouth.
The malaysians are no diffrent to any other owner they will pile up debt to keep it going then they will want it back,there no diffrent to sam as for the riddler i can not see what he really put in to the club money wise of his own,atleast the malaysians have some money in the club which has been converted in to shares
My view is..

The ONLY real evidence we have as to how committed they are lies in the
current condition of Cardiff City Football Club. We are looking a very solid
business right now. We have terrific new facilities, a very good new set-up
for both the youths and first team squads. Our new manager has got us to
a Cup Final in his first season, and we are in the Play-off positions. You know
better than I do how the team is performing week in week out. I've only
watched half a dozen games this season. Its obvious to everyone that we do
need fresh faces.
We will only be looking solid untill we know what and when or how much we owe them its still debt owed to them after all.The facilities are good,we are in the playoffs but could be 2nd or maybe top if we had more players come in when we was 3rd and 3points clear of 4th at start of jan,but we never and thats that
I CHOOSE to believe the new regime when they say they are backing the
manager. I do so because nobody can provide ONE SHRED of evidence that
they aren't. Whereas evidence of their efforts are unmissable.
Debt covering yes but a squad to suit it no,after all taffy like any company which they will run it like you need income to match outgoings we are being backed up by a massive 16-18million a year thats just from past debts getting seen to which is nuts thats without ANYTHING else,how long will this go on if they (owners/MM) are not going to invest in a squad to get to the prem when we are 3rd then when will they
(i.e. We're still alive and kicking and NOBODY is at our throats for money)
I doubt very much you will be saying that once you find out what we owe themonce we are moved on to pastures new.Thats why i laugh at the same haters because these guys are no diffrent,they will not leave with nothing thats for sure it will just be MORE AND MORE AND MORE than before they took over
You CHOOSE to believe the fans are being stitched up in some way. Your
choice.
Again we are all diffrent i know what i know you know what you know
But I'm going on hard evidence, not scaremongering story's from 'fans'
with ulterior motives.
I do not see any hard evidence only what we are told from within the club or hear say thats not evidence if anything its more DEBT,weather it be behind the scenes things or evidence in the squad i see neither,we all want evidence on the pitch/squad after all thats the only evidence that will GET A RETURN ON WHAT THE OWNERS HAVE PUT IN if we got a squad for a prem push

Right.

First of all.

Your response was passionate and i cant fault that. I no longer believe you
are one of the I hate Malaysia brigade..
Just because i have my doubts like some fans on here it does not mean im on the hate brigade

I cannot figure out why you are so distrustful of them though? Admittedly
Sam, Ridsdale, etc etc... all these ended up being less than truthful with
us. A lot of whats happened at this Club has left a bad taste in the mouth.
The malaysians are no diffrent to any other owner they will pile up debt to keep it going then they will want it back,there no diffrent to sam as for the riddler i can not see what he really put in to the club money wise of his own,atleast the malaysians have some money in the club which has been converted in to shares
My view is..

The ONLY real evidence we have as to how committed they are lies in the
current condition of Cardiff City Football Club. We are looking a very solid
business right now. We have terrific new facilities, a very good new set-up
for both the youths and first team squads. Our new manager has got us to
a Cup Final in his first season, and we are in the Play-off positions. You know
better than I do how the team is performing week in week out. I've only
watched half a dozen games this season. Its obvious to everyone that we do
need fresh faces.
We will only be looking solid untill we know what and when or how much we owe them its still debt owed to them after all.The facilities are good,we are in the playoffs but could be 2nd or maybe top if we had more players come in when we was 3rd and 3points clear of 4th at start of jan,but we never and thats that
I CHOOSE to believe the new regime when they say they are backing the
manager. I do so because nobody can provide ONE SHRED of evidence that
they aren't. Whereas evidence of their efforts are unmissable.
Debt covering yes but a squad to suit it no,after all taffy like any company which they will run it like you need income to match outgoings we are being backed up by a massive 16-18million a year thats just from past debts getting seen to which is nuts thats without ANYTHING else,how long will this go on if they (owners/MM) are not going to invest in a squad to get to the prem when we are 3rd then when will they
(i.e. We're still alive and kicking and NOBODY is at our throats for money)
I doubt very much you will be saying that once you find out what we owe themonce we are moved on to pastures new.Thats why i laugh at the same haters because these guys are no diffrent,they will not leave with nothing thats for sure it will just be MORE AND MORE AND MORE than before they took over
You CHOOSE to believe the fans are being stitched up in some way. Your
choice.
Again we are all diffrent i know what i know you know what you know
But I'm going on hard evidence, not scaremongering story's from 'fans'
with ulterior motives.
I do not see any hard evidence only what we are told from within the club or hear say thats not evidence if anything its more DEBT,weather it be behind the scenes things or evidence in the squad i see neither,we all want evidence on the pitch/squad after all thats the only evidence that will GET A RETURN ON WHAT THE OWNERS HAVE PUT IN if we got a squad for a prem push

It would make no difference who took over this Club then. you wouldnt
trust ANYBODY unless they signed an affidavit in front of a High Court
Judge that they wouldnt take out every penny when they leave.

ok

I can't help thinking that the players reading about us wanting more loans will make them think that we're a real ungrateful bunch. They probably like to think they're very good at what they do.

Right.

First of all.

Your response was passionate and i cant fault that. I no longer believe you
are one of the I hate Malaysia brigade..
Just because i have my doubts like some fans on here it does not mean im on the hate brigade

I cannot figure out why you are so distrustful of them though? Admittedly
Sam, Ridsdale, etc etc... all these ended up being less than truthful with
us. A lot of whats happened at this Club has left a bad taste in the mouth.
The malaysians are no diffrent to any other owner they will pile up debt to keep it going then they will want it back,there no diffrent to sam as for the riddler i can not see what he really put in to the club money wise of his own,atleast the malaysians have some money in the club which has been converted in to shares
My view is..

The ONLY real evidence we have as to how committed they are lies in the
current condition of Cardiff City Football Club. We are looking a very solid
business right now. We have terrific new facilities, a very good new set-up
for both the youths and first team squads. Our new manager has got us to
a Cup Final in his first season, and we are in the Play-off positions. You know
better than I do how the team is performing week in week out. I've only
watched half a dozen games this season. Its obvious to everyone that we do
need fresh faces.
We will only be looking solid untill we know what and when or how much we owe them its still debt owed to them after all.The facilities are good,we are in the playoffs but could be 2nd or maybe top if we had more players come in when we was 3rd and 3points clear of 4th at start of jan,but we never and thats that
I CHOOSE to believe the new regime when they say they are backing the
manager. I do so because nobody can provide ONE SHRED of evidence that
they aren't. Whereas evidence of their efforts are unmissable.
Debt covering yes but a squad to suit it no,after all taffy like any company which they will run it like you need income to match outgoings we are being backed up by a massive 16-18million a year thats just from past debts getting seen to which is nuts thats without ANYTHING else,how long will this go on if they (owners/MM) are not going to invest in a squad to get to the prem when we are 3rd then when will they
(i.e. We're still alive and kicking and NOBODY is at our throats for money)
I doubt very much you will be saying that once you find out what we owe themonce we are moved on to pastures new.Thats why i laugh at the same haters because these guys are no diffrent,they will not leave with nothing thats for sure it will just be MORE AND MORE AND MORE than before they took over
You CHOOSE to believe the fans are being stitched up in some way. Your
choice.
Again we are all diffrent i know what i know you know what you know
But I'm going on hard evidence, not scaremongering story's from 'fans'
with ulterior motives.
I do not see any hard evidence only what we are told from within the club or hear say thats not evidence if anything its more DEBT,weather it be behind the scenes things or evidence in the squad i see neither,we all want evidence on the pitch/squad after all thats the only evidence that will GET A RETURN ON WHAT THE OWNERS HAVE PUT IN if we got a squad for a prem push

It would make no difference who took over this Club then. you wouldnt
trust ANYBODY unless they signed an affidavit in front of a High Court
Judge that they wouldnt take out every penny when they leave.

ok

It would not matter who was in charge taffy there all the same like i've already said above:? read it again if your on a struggle to grasp what i have said to your reply to me ,yet you say nothing on anything i've said to your thoughts where u was trying to prove me wrong on my post for whatever reason

I can't help thinking that the players reading about us wanting more loans will make them think that we're a real ungrateful bunch. They probably like to think they're very good at what they do.

They have been good at what they do,but four points out of 15 in the last five games does not say there good at what they are doing now unlike before which could have been a result of many things as to why we have only got four points out of 15.

If a few players are having a bad spell and you replace them with "must play" loanees how do you ever get the players you've sidelined back into the team?
The sidleined players will lose all respect and motivation. They can't even compete for their place as the loanee "must play".

77 if you are genuine about your concerns and not just arguing for the sake of saving face i will address what you have said.

I believe the biggest error in your argument lies in the assumption that premier league football will solve a club's debt problems. on the contrary this burden will often make a debt problem worse. a club will have to buy better players on increased wages to fight to stay up. I think our wage bill could even treble if we reached the top flight with any ambition to stay there. Hull, Pompey, Burnley and others have shown that premier league football can become a noose around your neck.
I think the malaysians are attempting to make us a self sufficient business. They have inherited a lot of historical debt that has made their task a difficult one. They cant maximise our income streams as these were sold off on long term contracts by the riddler.
They have been nothing but open and honourable with what they have said (so far). they have even gone so far as to convert debt into shares which i believe is a statement of their intent.

Now i'm not foolish enough to think they are doing this out of their pure love for cardiff city. there is undoubtebly money to be made for them but i dont think that they are just after a quick buck by getting the premier league parachute payments.
Their biggest source of income will probably come from malaysia (as annis, tony blue williams etc have alluded to)

fair play i think carl ro whoever should post these updates and lock the thread or soemthing. ive just spent 4 pages trawling through posts for extra information to see the same old crap and arguments.

nice one for the update every little helps, although i agree with you annis and others that we have needed 2/3 players ALL season. maybe its too little too late now?

fair play i think carl ro whoever should post these updates and lock the thread or soemthing. ive just spent 4 pages trawling through posts for extra information to see the same old crap and arguments.

nice one for the update every little helps, although i agree with you annis and others that we have needed 2/3 players ALL season. maybe its too little too late now?

I stand by that, we needed at least 3 or even 4 players and Malky himself has stated that we needed strengthening on 3 different occasions since last OCT. So all I will say on the whole of this subject, is that something does not add up.

Right.

First of all.

Your response was passionate and i cant fault that. I no longer believe you
are one of the I hate Malaysia brigade..
Just because i have my doubts like some fans on here it does not mean im on the hate brigade

I cannot figure out why you are so distrustful of them though? Admittedly
Sam, Ridsdale, etc etc... all these ended up being less than truthful with
us. A lot of whats happened at this Club has left a bad taste in the mouth.
The malaysians are no diffrent to any other owner they will pile up debt to keep it going then they will want it back,there no diffrent to sam as for the riddler i can not see what he really put in to the club money wise of his own,atleast the malaysians have some money in the club which has been converted in to shares
My view is..

The ONLY real evidence we have as to how committed they are lies in the
current condition of Cardiff City Football Club. We are looking a very solid
business right now. We have terrific new facilities, a very good new set-up
for both the youths and first team squads. Our new manager has got us to
a Cup Final in his first season, and we are in the Play-off positions. You know
better than I do how the team is performing week in week out. I've only
watched half a dozen games this season. Its obvious to everyone that we do
need fresh faces.
We will only be looking solid untill we know what and when or how much we owe them its still debt owed to them after all.The facilities are good,we are in the playoffs but could be 2nd or maybe top if we had more players come in when we was 3rd and 3points clear of 4th at start of jan,but we never and thats that
I CHOOSE to believe the new regime when they say they are backing the
manager. I do so because nobody can provide ONE SHRED of evidence that
they aren't. Whereas evidence of their efforts are unmissable.
Debt covering yes but a squad to suit it no,after all taffy like any company which they will run it like you need income to match outgoings we are being backed up by a massive 16-18million a year thats just from past debts getting seen to which is nuts thats without ANYTHING else,how long will this go on if they (owners/MM) are not going to invest in a squad to get to the prem when we are 3rd then when will they
(i.e. We're still alive and kicking and NOBODY is at our throats for money)
I doubt very much you will be saying that once you find out what we owe themonce we are moved on to pastures new.Thats why i laugh at the same haters because these guys are no diffrent,they will not leave with nothing thats for sure it will just be MORE AND MORE AND MORE than before they took over
You CHOOSE to believe the fans are being stitched up in some way. Your
choice.
Again we are all diffrent i know what i know you know what you know
But I'm going on hard evidence, not scaremongering story's from 'fans'
with ulterior motives.
I do not see any hard evidence only what we are told from within the club or hear say thats not evidence if anything its more DEBT,weather it be behind the scenes things or evidence in the squad i see neither,we all want evidence on the pitch/squad after all thats the only evidence that will GET A RETURN ON WHAT THE OWNERS HAVE PUT IN if we got a squad for a prem push

It would make no difference who took over this Club then. you wouldnt
trust ANYBODY unless they signed an affidavit in front of a High Court
Judge that they wouldnt take out every penny when they leave.

ok

It would not matter who was in charge taffy there all the same like i've already said above:? read it again if your on a struggle to grasp what i have said to your reply to me ,yet you say nothing on anything i've said to your thoughts where u was trying to prove me wrong on my post for whatever reason

So whoever took over at Cardiff City... you wouldnt trust as far as you could throw
them????

Tell me how much worse it is at Cardiff City since they stepped in through the door.

Or is it better?

FFS... a billionaire lottery winner from Ball Road could buy Cardiff City, he might
be the biggest most loyal fan in the whole world.

I bet HE'D look for some kind of return on his investment too!!!

Blackburn Rovers got RELEGATED before Jack Walker died. Did HE let HIS
Club down????

Would it be a fair assumption to say that there are too many "middle men" between scouting a player and making a dossier and then a formal bid for said player?. I'm personally not a fan of the "Player Recruitment Manager".

Is this really a case of Malky Mackay being too picky or Iain Moody being too picky with their player recruitment process?, it seems there is a fine line over who is actually in charge of giving the "Yes" for buying players.

Agree that we could do with some loan players our squad is not the biggest. Wish we would give Earnie a chance though, especially with Kenny looking tired.

with you on that mate. he'd literally be like a new signing! i was a bit shocked, dunno about anyone else, at the start where i thought hed be a super sub only and not starting much. and now that he's not even playing at all given results is just baffling.

Right.

First of all.

Your response was passionate and i cant fault that. I no longer believe you
are one of the I hate Malaysia brigade..
Just because i have my doubts like some fans on here it does not mean im on the hate brigade

I cannot figure out why you are so distrustful of them though? Admittedly
Sam, Ridsdale, etc etc... all these ended up being less than truthful with
us. A lot of whats happened at this Club has left a bad taste in the mouth.
The malaysians are no diffrent to any other owner they will pile up debt to keep it going then they will want it back,there no diffrent to sam as for the riddler i can not see what he really put in to the club money wise of his own,atleast the malaysians have some money in the club which has been converted in to shares
My view is..

The ONLY real evidence we have as to how committed they are lies in the
current condition of Cardiff City Football Club. We are looking a very solid
business right now. We have terrific new facilities, a very good new set-up
for both the youths and first team squads. Our new manager has got us to
a Cup Final in his first season, and we are in the Play-off positions. You know
better than I do how the team is performing week in week out. I've only
watched half a dozen games this season. Its obvious to everyone that we do
need fresh faces.
We will only be looking solid untill we know what and when or how much we owe them its still debt owed to them after all.The facilities are good,we are in the playoffs but could be 2nd or maybe top if we had more players come in when we was 3rd and 3points clear of 4th at start of jan,but we never and thats that
I CHOOSE to believe the new regime when they say they are backing the
manager. I do so because nobody can provide ONE SHRED of evidence that
they aren't. Whereas evidence of their efforts are unmissable.
Debt covering yes but a squad to suit it no,after all taffy like any company which they will run it like you need income to match outgoings we are being backed up by a massive 16-18million a year thats just from past debts getting seen to which is nuts thats without ANYTHING else,how long will this go on if they (owners/MM) are not going to invest in a squad to get to the prem when we are 3rd then when will they
(i.e. We're still alive and kicking and NOBODY is at our throats for money)
I doubt very much you will be saying that once you find out what we owe themonce we are moved on to pastures new.Thats why i laugh at the same haters because these guys are no diffrent,they will not leave with nothing thats for sure it will just be MORE AND MORE AND MORE than before they took over
You CHOOSE to believe the fans are being stitched up in some way. Your
choice.
Again we are all diffrent i know what i know you know what you know
But I'm going on hard evidence, not scaremongering story's from 'fans'
with ulterior motives.
I do not see any hard evidence only what we are told from within the club or hear say thats not evidence if anything its more DEBT,weather it be behind the scenes things or evidence in the squad i see neither,we all want evidence on the pitch/squad after all thats the only evidence that will GET A RETURN ON WHAT THE OWNERS HAVE PUT IN if we got a squad for a prem push

It would make no difference who took over this Club then. you wouldnt
trust ANYBODY unless they signed an affidavit in front of a High Court
Judge that they wouldnt take out every penny when they leave.

ok

It would not matter who was in charge taffy there all the same like i've already said above:? read it again if your on a struggle to grasp what i have said to your reply to me ,yet you say nothing on anything i've said to your thoughts where u was trying to prove me wrong on my post for whatever reason

So whoever took over at Cardiff City... you wouldnt trust as far as you could throw
them????
No becuase there there to make money after all
Tell me how much worse it is at Cardiff City since they stepped in through the door.
The black hole is getting bigger month after month i know that for sure
Or is it better?
no
FFS... a billionaire lottery winner from Ball Road could buy Cardiff City, he might
be the biggest most loyal fan in the whole world.
Where is ball road
I bet HE'D look for some kind of return on his investment too!!!
Yes he most probly would
Blackburn Rovers got RELEGATED before Jack Walker died. Did HE let HIS
Club down????
No never

Your still playing the worlds smallest violin about who should own us Then you ask me a questions AGAIN and AGAIN i answer them,yet im still waiting for you to counteract what i replyed to what you said in the first place.I would prefer a clear up if you think you have one to what i said but i doubt it very much you have one thats why im still waiting because its all true i guess ,why im living in hope

I stand by that, we needed at least 3 or even 4 players and Malky himself has stated that we needed strengthening on 3 different occasions since last OCT. So all I will say on the whole of this subject, is that something does not add up.

So come on annis say how it is.I want to know what you really think.I feel the same something does not add up which i've been saying since the start of the season,even more now we are slipping down the table and we are told we got or had money to spend and always have yet nothings been done squad wise bar 2kids

77 if you are genuine about your concerns and not just arguing for the sake of saving face i will address what you have said.

I believe the biggest error in your argument lies in the assumption that premier league football will solve a club's debt problems. on the contrary this burden will often make a debt problem worse. a club will have to buy better players on increased wages to fight to stay up. I think our wage bill could even treble if we reached the top flight with any ambition to stay there. Hull, Pompey, Burnley and others have shown that premier league football can become a noose around your neck.
I think the malaysians are attempting to make us a self sufficient business. They have inherited a lot of historical debt that has made their task a difficult one. They cant maximise our income streams as these were sold off on long term contracts by the riddler.Lets sti in this league being proped up bu 18million every year then after all if the owners are supposed to be putting this in + the 36million they have put in all ready and last season which was more thats a roundish figure of 70million owed so far.Like i have said where does it end as its only 90million for prem promotion yet are squad is never good enough for it but its ok to keep bailing us out on debts at 16-18mill a season
They have been nothing but open and honourable with what they have said (so far). they have even gone so far as to convert debt into shares which i believe is a statement of their intent.
i mentioned already above that they converted money in to shares
Now i'm not foolish enough to think they are doing this out of their pure love for cardiff city. there is undoubtebly money to be made for them but i dont think that they are just after a quick buck by getting the premier league parachute payments.
Their biggest source of income will probably come from malaysia (as annis, tony blue williams etc have alluded to)

They do nothing because they love cardiff city same as any other overseas investment from any owner of any club,I agree i do not think there here for a quick buck as the black hole of debt is just getting bigger and bigger only prem football will take the weight if it.What i dont get is WHERES THERE RETURN if what carl said is true carrys on

We skint accept it

77, i told you, their return is from malaysia