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Don’t forget Gary Otto transferred his stock in Sutton - why would he do that if he didn’t think he was buying a new club

All in Companies House

My first post on here, so hi all.

I have been watching Gary Otto since he came to Sutton, I don't trust the guy.

What makes you think he has transferred his shares in Sutton ? He has been buying more cheap and now has 50% + in the club.

Look at Companies house records

"Annis, it's the company Gary Otto owns that holds the shares in Sutton United—not Otto personally. According to Companies House, his company remains the majority shareholder. It was an associate of his who sold their shares, which resulted in Otto's company now holding between 50% and 75%, making it the largest shareholder."


The most recent filings with Companies House show that Gary Otto is still listed as a director of Sutton United, and there’s no record of him selling his shares.

What has changed is that Mbuzzsport (linked to Nawaf Al-Shammari) officially ceased being a person with significant control on 30 May 2025. At the same time, ACV Sports Ventures LLC (which is controlled by Otto) had its details updated — but not removed.

So Otto’s company (ACV Sports Ventures) still appears to be the majority stakeholder
Otto himself is still a director
No change of share ownership is recorded
This is all confirmed in:
The Confirmation Statement (CS01) filed on 5 March 2025
The PSC notifications (PSC07/PSC05) filed on 28 June 2025

I will be totally honest, I never even knew much about his shares in Sutton United,some aid in here he had loads some said he had got rid.
Until I was told actually by some on here he had got rid I did not care as he was still allowed to be involved with City and that’s what mattered.


What was also said at the meeting yesterday was Dalman finally admitted they had a serious offer and had got involved with it, but when asked by two people including Paul Abbandonato, who was this group ?

Dalman said he was not permitted to say lol

So has dalman put a stop to the takeover by advising tan not to sell?

That I honestly don’t know Sam.

But Dalman failed with his Consortium to raise enough money.

He’s better off plodding along get wages and interest of us

From the moment it was first mentioned that Gary Otto was fronting the consortium, I tried to find out where his money was coming from and what his net worth was—but I couldn’t find any information at all.
I get the impression that the Sutton fan who posted earlier in this thread doesn’t trust Gary Otto, possibly because Sutton FC’s ownership rules state that no individual should hold more than 25% of the shares. When Mbuzzsport—owned by Nawaf Al-Shammari—bought their stake, the combined shareholding exceeded 50%. It now appears that Mbuzzsport (i.e. Al-Shammari) has sold their shares, which has made Otto’s company the majority shareholder.

Otto is reportedly telling the board that he became the majority shareholder by default, but a number of fans don’t buy that explanation.

At the time, I couldn’t help wondering whether the plan all along was for Mbuzzsport (Al-Shammari) to become owner of Cardiff City, while Gary Otto took control of Sutton United.

Well otto was only front man so he was unlikely to be city owner as for wealth its around $6b but family fortune is around $16b partners in consortium was unknown ...but substantially more.... he as multiple buisnesses so do the family must admit information is limited... as for Sutton he's done good things there if you read about it.. he tried to buy Leeds also few years ago... he's a football fan that's for sure.

Don’t forget Gary Otto transferred his stock in Sutton - why would he do that if he didn’t think he was buying a new club

All in Companies House

My first post on here, so hi all.

I have been watching Gary Otto since he came to Sutton, I don't trust the guy.

What makes you think he has transferred his shares in Sutton ? He has been buying more cheap and now has 50% + in the club.

Look at Companies house records

"Annis, it's the company Gary Otto owns that holds the shares in Sutton United—not Otto personally. According to Companies House, his company remains the majority shareholder. It was an associate of his who sold their shares, which resulted in Otto's company now holding between 50% and 75%, making it the largest shareholder."


The most recent filings with Companies House show that Gary Otto is still listed as a director of Sutton United, and there’s no record of him selling his shares.

What has changed is that Mbuzzsport (linked to Nawaf Al-Shammari) officially ceased being a person with significant control on 30 May 2025. At the same time, ACV Sports Ventures LLC (which is controlled by Otto) had its details updated — but not removed.

So Otto’s company (ACV Sports Ventures) still appears to be the majority stakeholder
Otto himself is still a director
No change of share ownership is recorded
This is all confirmed in:
The Confirmation Statement (CS01) filed on 5 March 2025
The PSC notifications (PSC07/PSC05) filed on 28 June 2025

I will be totally honest, I never even knew much about his shares in Sutton United,some aid in here he had loads some said he had got rid.
Until I was told actually by some on here he had got rid I did not care as he was still allowed to be involved with City and that’s what mattered.


What was also said at the meeting yesterday was Dalman finally admitted they had a serious offer and had got involved with it, but when asked by two people including Paul Abbandonato, who was this group ?

Dalman said he was not permitted to say lol

So has dalman put a stop to the takeover by advising tan not to sell?

That I honestly don’t know Sam.

But Dalman failed with his Consortium to raise enough money.

He’s better off plodding along get wages and interest of us

Just seems like it was all ready to go,and someone maybe dalman or his lawyers have told him to hold off to see if we get promoted

Don’t forget Gary Otto transferred his stock in Sutton - why would he do that if he didn’t think he was buying a new club

All in Companies House

My first post on here, so hi all.

I have been watching Gary Otto since he came to Sutton, I don't trust the guy.

What makes you think he has transferred his shares in Sutton ? He has been buying more cheap and now has 50% + in the club.

Look at Companies house records

"Annis, it's the company Gary Otto owns that holds the shares in Sutton United—not Otto personally. According to Companies House, his company remains the majority shareholder. It was an associate of his who sold their shares, which resulted in Otto's company now holding between 50% and 75%, making it the largest shareholder."


The most recent filings with Companies House show that Gary Otto is still listed as a director of Sutton United, and there’s no record of him selling his shares.

What has changed is that Mbuzzsport (linked to Nawaf Al-Shammari) officially ceased being a person with significant control on 30 May 2025. At the same time, ACV Sports Ventures LLC (which is controlled by Otto) had its details updated — but not removed.

So Otto’s company (ACV Sports Ventures) still appears to be the majority stakeholder
Otto himself is still a director
No change of share ownership is recorded
This is all confirmed in:
The Confirmation Statement (CS01) filed on 5 March 2025
The PSC notifications (PSC07/PSC05) filed on 28 June 2025

I will be totally honest, I never even knew much about his shares in Sutton United,some aid in here he had loads some said he had got rid.
Until I was told actually by some on here he had got rid I did not care as he was still allowed to be involved with City and that’s what mattered.


What was also said at the meeting yesterday was Dalman finally admitted they had a serious offer and had got involved with it, but when asked by two people including Paul Abbandonato, who was this group ?

Dalman said he was not permitted to say lol

So has dalman put a stop to the takeover by advising tan not to sell?

That I honestly don’t know Sam.

But Dalman failed with his Consortium to raise enough money.

He’s better off plodding along get wages and interest of us

From the moment it was first mentioned that Gary Otto was fronting the consortium, I tried to find out where his money was coming from and what his net worth was—but I couldn’t find any information at all.
I get the impression that the Sutton fan who posted earlier in this thread doesn’t trust Gary Otto, possibly because Sutton FC’s ownership rules state that no individual should hold more than 25% of the shares. When Mbuzzsport—owned by Nawaf Al-Shammari—bought their stake, the combined shareholding exceeded 50%. It now appears that Mbuzzsport (i.e. Al-Shammari) has sold their shares, which has made Otto’s company the majority shareholder.

Otto is reportedly telling the board that he became the majority shareholder by default, but a number of fans don’t buy that explanation.

At the time, I couldn’t help wondering whether the plan all along was for Mbuzzsport (Al-Shammari) to become owner of Cardiff City, while Gary Otto took control of Sutton United.

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Don’t forget Gary Otto transferred his stock in Sutton - why would he do that if he didn’t think he was buying a new club

All in Companies House

My first post on here, so hi all.

I have been watching Gary Otto since he came to Sutton, I don't trust the guy.

What makes you think he has transferred his shares in Sutton ? He has been buying more cheap and now has 50% + in the club.

Look at Companies house records

"Annis, it's the company Gary Otto owns that holds the shares in Sutton United—not Otto personally. According to Companies House, his company remains the majority shareholder. It was an associate of his who sold their shares, which resulted in Otto's company now holding between 50% and 75%, making it the largest shareholder."


The most recent filings with Companies House show that Gary Otto is still listed as a director of Sutton United, and there’s no record of him selling his shares.

What has changed is that Mbuzzsport (linked to Nawaf Al-Shammari) officially ceased being a person with significant control on 30 May 2025. At the same time, ACV Sports Ventures LLC (which is controlled by Otto) had its details updated — but not removed.

So Otto’s company (ACV Sports Ventures) still appears to be the majority stakeholder
Otto himself is still a director
No change of share ownership is recorded
This is all confirmed in:
The Confirmation Statement (CS01) filed on 5 March 2025
The PSC notifications (PSC07/PSC05) filed on 28 June 2025

I will be totally honest, I never even knew much about his shares in Sutton United,some aid in here he had loads some said he had got rid.
Until I was told actually by some on here he had got rid I did not care as he was still allowed to be involved with City and that’s what mattered.


What was also said at the meeting yesterday was Dalman finally admitted they had a serious offer and had got involved with it, but when asked by two people including Paul Abbandonato, who was this group ?

Dalman said he was not permitted to say lol

So has dalman put a stop to the takeover by advising tan not to sell?

That I honestly don’t know Sam.

But Dalman failed with his Consortium to raise enough money.

He’s better off plodding along get wages and interest of us

Just seems like it was all ready to go,and someone maybe dalman or his lawyers have told him to hold off to see if we get promoted

Won't be lawes they're just legal people... as for dalman only thing he gains from Tan not selling is more interest from his loan..... that won't bother tan as he's only interested in himself? But tan could be prepared to gamble on promotion but that comes with its own problems and risks ...that's why I believe any consortium needs to pay tan what he wants now otherwise going to cost them extra 40m at least if in championship

You could be on to something there Allan. If this consortium really wants us then they need to make an offer tangible can’t refuse now before the price go up again.

Don’t forget Gary Otto transferred his stock in Sutton - why would he do that if he didn’t think he was buying a new club

All in Companies House

My first post on here, so hi all.

I have been watching Gary Otto since he came to Sutton, I don't trust the guy.

What makes you think he has transferred his shares in Sutton ? He has been buying more cheap and now has 50% + in the club.

Look at Companies house records

"Annis, it's the company Gary Otto owns that holds the shares in Sutton United—not Otto personally. According to Companies House, his company remains the majority shareholder. It was an associate of his who sold their shares, which resulted in Otto's company now holding between 50% and 75%, making it the largest shareholder."


The most recent filings with Companies House show that Gary Otto is still listed as a director of Sutton United, and there’s no record of him selling his shares.

What has changed is that Mbuzzsport (linked to Nawaf Al-Shammari) officially ceased being a person with significant control on 30 May 2025. At the same time, ACV Sports Ventures LLC (which is controlled by Otto) had its details updated — but not removed.

So Otto’s company (ACV Sports Ventures) still appears to be the majority stakeholder
Otto himself is still a director
No change of share ownership is recorded
This is all confirmed in:
The Confirmation Statement (CS01) filed on 5 March 2025
The PSC notifications (PSC07/PSC05) filed on 28 June 2025

I will be totally honest, I never even knew much about his shares in Sutton United,some aid in here he had loads some said he had got rid.
Until I was told actually by some on here he had got rid I did not care as he was still allowed to be involved with City and that’s what mattered.


What was also said at the meeting yesterday was Dalman finally admitted they had a serious offer and had got involved with it, but when asked by two people including Paul Abbandonato, who was this group ?

Dalman said he was not permitted to say lol

So has dalman put a stop to the takeover by advising tan not to sell?

That I honestly don’t know Sam.

But Dalman failed with his Consortium to raise enough money.

He’s better off plodding along get wages and interest of us

From the moment it was first mentioned that Gary Otto was fronting the consortium, I tried to find out where his money was coming from and what his net worth was—but I couldn’t find any information at all.
I get the impression that the Sutton fan who posted earlier in this thread doesn’t trust Gary Otto, possibly because Sutton FC’s ownership rules state that no individual should hold more than 25% of the shares. When Mbuzzsport—owned by Nawaf Al-Shammari—bought their stake, the combined shareholding exceeded 50%. It now appears that Mbuzzsport (i.e. Al-Shammari) has sold their shares, which has made Otto’s company the majority shareholder.

Otto is reportedly telling the board that he became the majority shareholder by default, but a number of fans don’t buy that explanation.

At the time, I couldn’t help wondering whether the plan all along was for Mbuzzsport (Al-Shammari) to become owner of Cardiff City, while Gary Otto took control of Sutton United.

Well otto was only front man so he was unlikely to be city owner as for wealth its around $6b but family fortune is around $16b partners in consortium was unknown ...but substantially more.... he as multiple buisnesses so do the family must admit information is limited... as for Sutton he's done good things there if you read about it.. he tried to buy Leeds also few years ago... he's a football fan that's for sure.

Where did you get those figures from? He doesn’t appear on any of the Forbes or Times rich lists. I think you might be confusing him with the German Otto family, though there's no known relation.
If you could share a link to the source for that information, I’d appreciate it.

Well a consortium can be made up of anyone - and if a partnership wants to buy another football club, then the one partner sells his stock in the one club, the partner buys and then the partner takes up the stock in the other club complying with league rules

Don’t forget Gary Otto transferred his stock in Sutton - why would he do that if he didn’t think he was buying a new club

All in Companies House

My first post on here, so hi all.

I have been watching Gary Otto since he came to Sutton, I don't trust the guy.

What makes you think he has transferred his shares in Sutton ? He has been buying more cheap and now has 50% + in the club.

Look at Companies house records

"Annis, it's the company Gary Otto owns that holds the shares in Sutton United—not Otto personally. According to Companies House, his company remains the majority shareholder. It was an associate of his who sold their shares, which resulted in Otto's company now holding between 50% and 75%, making it the largest shareholder."


The most recent filings with Companies House show that Gary Otto is still listed as a director of Sutton United, and there’s no record of him selling his shares.

What has changed is that Mbuzzsport (linked to Nawaf Al-Shammari) officially ceased being a person with significant control on 30 May 2025. At the same time, ACV Sports Ventures LLC (which is controlled by Otto) had its details updated — but not removed.

So Otto’s company (ACV Sports Ventures) still appears to be the majority stakeholder
Otto himself is still a director
No change of share ownership is recorded
This is all confirmed in:
The Confirmation Statement (CS01) filed on 5 March 2025
The PSC notifications (PSC07/PSC05) filed on 28 June 2025

I will be totally honest, I never even knew much about his shares in Sutton United,some aid in here he had loads some said he had got rid.
Until I was told actually by some on here he had got rid I did not care as he was still allowed to be involved with City and that’s what mattered.


What was also said at the meeting yesterday was Dalman finally admitted they had a serious offer and had got involved with it, but when asked by two people including Paul Abbandonato, who was this group ?

Dalman said he was not permitted to say lol

So has dalman put a stop to the takeover by advising tan not to sell?

That I honestly don’t know Sam.

But Dalman failed with his Consortium to raise enough money.

He’s better off plodding along get wages and interest of us

Just seems like it was all ready to go,and someone maybe dalman or his lawyers have told him to hold off to see if we get promoted

Won't be lawes they're just legal people... as for dalman only thing he gains from Tan not selling is more interest from his loan..... that won't bother tan as he's only interested in himself? But tan could be prepared to gamble on promotion but that comes with its own problems and risks ...that's why I believe any consortium needs to pay tan what he wants now otherwise going to cost them extra 40m at least if in championship

Ye I get what you mean mate,because I’m sure I listened to si on his podcast one night and sure he said tans lawyers were advising him not to mind I could be wrong that’s why I mentioned them,I hope they do but maybe that’s why dalman coming out and saying we want 100 million trying to get them to offer that

You could be on to something there Allan. If this consortium really wants us then they need to make an offer tangible can’t refuse now before the price go up again.

My alternative view is this group of players can take us straight to premier league I believe that and so does tan ...now bbc says tan is owed £80m so presume that's close plus dalmans 40 m and 130m is about right... getting to championship could add 50m on top of this given what i think of squad.... now tan is willing to risk waiting and lose even more money and possible sale of club! why shouldn't consortium consider same risk and pay the money And save potentially £50m
.being g I div 1 doesn't mean can buy on cheap especially with a club of city's size potential and infrastructure.

Don’t forget Gary Otto transferred his stock in Sutton - why would he do that if he didn’t think he was buying a new club

All in Companies House

My first post on here, so hi all.

I have been watching Gary Otto since he came to Sutton, I don't trust the guy.

What makes you think he has transferred his shares in Sutton ? He has been buying more cheap and now has 50% + in the club.

Look at Companies house records

"Annis, it's the company Gary Otto owns that holds the shares in Sutton United—not Otto personally. According to Companies House, his company remains the majority shareholder. It was an associate of his who sold their shares, which resulted in Otto's company now holding between 50% and 75%, making it the largest shareholder."


The most recent filings with Companies House show that Gary Otto is still listed as a director of Sutton United, and there’s no record of him selling his shares.

What has changed is that Mbuzzsport (linked to Nawaf Al-Shammari) officially ceased being a person with significant control on 30 May 2025. At the same time, ACV Sports Ventures LLC (which is controlled by Otto) had its details updated — but not removed.

So Otto’s company (ACV Sports Ventures) still appears to be the majority stakeholder
Otto himself is still a director
No change of share ownership is recorded
This is all confirmed in:
The Confirmation Statement (CS01) filed on 5 March 2025
The PSC notifications (PSC07/PSC05) filed on 28 June 2025

I will be totally honest, I never even knew much about his shares in Sutton United,some aid in here he had loads some said he had got rid.
Until I was told actually by some on here he had got rid I did not care as he was still allowed to be involved with City and that’s what mattered.


What was also said at the meeting yesterday was Dalman finally admitted they had a serious offer and had got involved with it, but when asked by two people including Paul Abbandonato, who was this group ?

Dalman said he was not permitted to say lol

So has dalman put a stop to the takeover by advising tan not to sell?

That I honestly don’t know Sam.

But Dalman failed with his Consortium to raise enough money.

He’s better off plodding along get wages and interest of us

From the moment it was first mentioned that Gary Otto was fronting the consortium, I tried to find out where his money was coming from and what his net worth was—but I couldn’t find any information at all.
I get the impression that the Sutton fan who posted earlier in this thread doesn’t trust Gary Otto, possibly because Sutton FC’s ownership rules state that no individual should hold more than 25% of the shares. When Mbuzzsport—owned by Nawaf Al-Shammari—bought their stake, the combined shareholding exceeded 50%. It now appears that Mbuzzsport (i.e. Al-Shammari) has sold their shares, which has made Otto’s company the majority shareholder.

Otto is reportedly telling the board that he became the majority shareholder by default, but a number of fans don’t buy that explanation.

At the time, I couldn’t help wondering whether the plan all along was for Mbuzzsport (Al-Shammari) to become owner of Cardiff City, while Gary Otto took control of Sutton United.

Well otto was only front man so he was unlikely to be city owner as for wealth its around $6b but family fortune is around $16b partners in consortium was unknown ...but substantially more.... he as multiple buisnesses so do the family must admit information is limited... as for Sutton he's done good things there if you read about it.. he tried to buy Leeds also few years ago... he's a football fan that's for sure.

Where did you get those figures from? He doesn’t appear on any of the Forbes or Times rich lists. I think you might be confusing him with the German Otto family, though there's no known relation.
If you could share a link to the source for that information, I’d appreciate it.

I have also checked his statement re Leeds a nd this is what I found.

He has said he tried to buy Leeds, but there's nothing concrete to back it up beyond his own words. In a blog post on his personal site, Otto claimed he spent a few days negotiating with Ken Bates around 2009 but that the deal never went through because "the Bahrainis moved in and paid significantly higher." He also says he made another offer later, but again, no detail or documentation is provided.
Apart from that blog, the only other mention I’ve seen is the WOL report, saying he’d “previously attempted to invest in several clubs, including Leeds United.” That was in the context of Cardiff City speculation, not Leeds itself.

There are no official statements from Leeds United, no reports in reliable media like BBC or LeedsLive, and nothing in the club’s known ownership timeline that mentions Otto at all. So unless more concrete info surfaces, it looks like his involvement didn’t go beyond informal interest or talks that never got off the ground.

I can see why the Sutton United fan above took the time to come on here to post. 'Beware of him"

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Was thinking! No matter what dalman said he can't lose? We know he's lied and contradicted himself yesterday about investors but if say otto all of sudden payed tan what he wanted all dalman as to say is? We have had an offer for club that meets tans asking price and club will be sold after all conditions and paperwork is complete...... Saturday be forgotten. And he gets off Scott free.

There have been many a post on here about different offers for the Club from different parties over the last month.
At the time I welcomed any take over and still do - but as I have posted at the time this was not going to happen.
Tan and whoever else related used this as I called it a " Side Show " - The only Club in this League not to bring a player in .
Ned put out a post on here - where BBM said that Tan said it was important he got us back up at the 1st attempt .
Why ??? Is it important to get Us back up - If Tan was selling ??? - Because the Club would be worth more in the Championship.
Big gamble - Unless there is a U-Turn - Otherwise players need to come in before September to boost this squad

Was thinking! No matter what dalman said he can't lose? We know he's lied and contradicted himself yesterday about investors but if say otto all of sudden payed tan what he wanted all dalman as to say is? We have had an offer for club that meets tans asking price and club will be sold after all conditions and paperwork is complete...... Saturday be forgotten. And he gets off Scott free.

Very True in money ways Allan.

But he will always be remembered like a Boris Johnson to us.

Every time I have ever seen or met him I have for years said to his face you are an MP everything you say is either twisted or not true.

These are the two replies left to Dalmans puppet Morgan / Trust:

They’ve seen exactly through Dalman:

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