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Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Andrew Dibble “

Mon May 09, 2022 9:46 am

Bluebina wrote:Seriously is this still going?

Heres the stats https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/C ... ship-Stats

Cardiff worst save percentage in the league with 59.5%, teams below us keepers conceded more goals but still have a much better goal save percentage, and the same for the teams above us where the keepers didn't get as many opportunities to make a save.

Smithies is thought to be a very good keeper and so is Phillips, therefore it should be no surprise that the goalkeeping coach is being replaced in order to give us a greater opportunity to concede less goals and consequently win more matches?



More than ever football clubs are run by anylictic stats from buying players to when they can play games! So it's no surprise that club having looked at the stats over the season and think a change is needed....or do club keep him on because hes a nice person and he loves club despite our keepers performances..

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Andrew Dibble “

Mon May 09, 2022 9:48 am

I heard today that a new goalkeeping coach is being interviewed this week, the person concerned has local connections :ayatollah:

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Andrew Dibble “

Mon May 09, 2022 1:37 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
Sven wrote:
GaerBlue wrote:Agreed. No room for sentiment, especially at the beginning of a major rebuild. If there is a good time to get his own staff in then it’s now.

Dibble was before my time but my old man always speaks about him very fondly. Bit of a shame as you could tell he loves the club and still claps the fans when he warms the keeper up before games. However, I’d much prefer a non-city affiliated coach as long as they improve and coach what we have.

Etheridge, Smithies and Phillips are very good keepers, we should have gotten more out of all of them. They came to us before their prime and like other posts have mentioned, 8-) they’ve progressively gotten worse.

I’ll back SM on this one as long as his decision is justified in 6/12 months time.

Or do we just get complacent with our own players and tend to see their few weaknesses before their strengths?

For me, Andy Dibble helped maintain the tradition of superb keepers in my time supporting the Bluebirds and how we've needed them on times!

The recent crop you mentioned above are all very good at plying their trade and two of them (Etheridge and Smithies) only left for financial reasons. Phillips may yet go for 'business' purposes, if a small fee can be obtained

Smithies, despite indications to the contrary, wanted to stay at the club and did not ask for a move or indicate he wanted to be 'nearer' home


Smithies was a top championship keeper when we bought him, Dillon Phillips had the best save % in the championship when at charlton before we bought him in.

This season they are both statistically the worst keepers in the league. So yes in this case they have progressively gotten worse



So if got worse what's gone wrong?
And whos fault is it Players or coach? Maybe the answer to why hes gone lies there.


Coach

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Andrew Dibble “

Mon May 09, 2022 1:42 pm

M4 Exile wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
Sven wrote:
GaerBlue wrote:Agreed. No room for sentiment, especially at the beginning of a major rebuild. If there is a good time to get his own staff in then it’s now.

Dibble was before my time but my old man always speaks about him very fondly. Bit of a shame as you could tell he loves the club and still claps the fans when he warms the keeper up before games. However, I’d much prefer a non-city affiliated coach as long as they improve and coach what we have.

Etheridge, Smithies and Phillips are very good keepers, we should have gotten more out of all of them. They came to us before their prime and like other posts have mentioned, 8-) they’ve progressively gotten worse.

I’ll back SM on this one as long as his decision is justified in 6/12 months time.

Or do we just get complacent with our own players and tend to see their few weaknesses before their strengths?

For me, Andy Dibble helped maintain the tradition of superb keepers in my time supporting the Bluebirds and how we've needed them on times!

The recent crop you mentioned above are all very good at plying their trade and two of them (Etheridge and Smithies) only left for financial reasons. Phillips may yet go for 'business' purposes, if a small fee can be obtained

Smithies, despite indications to the contrary, wanted to stay at the club and did not ask for a move or indicate he wanted to be 'nearer' home


Smithies was a top championship keeper when we bought him, Dillon Phillips had the best save % in the championship when at charlton before we bought him in.

This season they are both statistically the worst keepers in the league. So yes in this case they have progressively gotten worse



So if got worse what's gone wrong?
And whos fault is it Players or coach? Maybe the answer to why hes gone lies there.


Coach

I have to admire that you say that with such confidence; particularly with so little to back it up...

Of course, our defence haven't exposed our keepers this last season or two, have they? :roll:

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Andrew Dibble “

Mon May 09, 2022 1:55 pm

Sven wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
Sven wrote:
GaerBlue wrote:Agreed. No room for sentiment, especially at the beginning of a major rebuild. If there is a good time to get his own staff in then it’s now.

Dibble was before my time but my old man always speaks about him very fondly. Bit of a shame as you could tell he loves the club and still claps the fans when he warms the keeper up before games. However, I’d much prefer a non-city affiliated coach as long as they improve and coach what we have.

Etheridge, Smithies and Phillips are very good keepers, we should have gotten more out of all of them. They came to us before their prime and like other posts have mentioned, 8-) they’ve progressively gotten worse.

I’ll back SM on this one as long as his decision is justified in 6/12 months time.

Or do we just get complacent with our own players and tend to see their few weaknesses before their strengths?

For me, Andy Dibble helped maintain the tradition of superb keepers in my time supporting the Bluebirds and how we've needed them on times!

The recent crop you mentioned above are all very good at plying their trade and two of them (Etheridge and Smithies) only left for financial reasons. Phillips may yet go for 'business' purposes, if a small fee can be obtained

Smithies, despite indications to the contrary, wanted to stay at the club and did not ask for a move or indicate he wanted to be 'nearer' home


Smithies was a top championship keeper when we bought him, Dillon Phillips had the best save % in the championship when at charlton before we bought him in.

This season they are both statistically the worst keepers in the league. So yes in this case they have progressively gotten worse



So if got worse what's gone wrong?
And whos fault is it Players or coach? Maybe the answer to why hes gone lies there.


Coach

I have to admire that you say that with such confidence; particularly with so little to back it up...

Of course, our defence haven't exposed our keepers this last season or two, have they? :roll:


Some interesting stats for Championship GK’s here:

https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/C ... ship-Stats

Surprisingly we’re actually 10th for least shots against our keepers. Which would suggest, whilst not great, our defence haven’t been as big a hindrance to our keepers as you’d expect. In comparison, we’re 7th for most goals conceded and our keepers have the worst save percentage in the Championship.

I’m not saying it’s the fault of the coaching but our goalkeepers have underperformed quite badly for whatever reason and it’s our poor keepers than have let down our defenders rather than the other way around.

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Andrew Dibble “

Mon May 09, 2022 3:14 pm

Large Arge wrote:
Sven wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
Sven wrote:
GaerBlue wrote:Agreed. No room for sentiment, especially at the beginning of a major rebuild. If there is a good time to get his own staff in then it’s now.

Dibble was before my time but my old man always speaks about him very fondly. Bit of a shame as you could tell he loves the club and still claps the fans when he warms the keeper up before games. However, I’d much prefer a non-city affiliated coach as long as they improve and coach what we have.

Etheridge, Smithies and Phillips are very good keepers, we should have gotten more out of all of them. They came to us before their prime and like other posts have mentioned, 8-) they’ve progressively gotten worse.

I’ll back SM on this one as long as his decision is justified in 6/12 months time.

Or do we just get complacent with our own players and tend to see their few weaknesses before their strengths?

For me, Andy Dibble helped maintain the tradition of superb keepers in my time supporting the Bluebirds and how we've needed them on times!

The recent crop you mentioned above are all very good at plying their trade and two of them (Etheridge and Smithies) only left for financial reasons. Phillips may yet go for 'business' purposes, if a small fee can be obtained

Smithies, despite indications to the contrary, wanted to stay at the club and did not ask for a move or indicate he wanted to be 'nearer' home


Smithies was a top championship keeper when we bought him, Dillon Phillips had the best save % in the championship when at charlton before we bought him in.

This season they are both statistically the worst keepers in the league. So yes in this case they have progressively gotten worse



So if got worse what's gone wrong?
And whos fault is it Players or coach? Maybe the answer to why hes gone lies there.


Coach

I have to admire that you say that with such confidence; particularly with so little to back it up...

Of course, our defence haven't exposed our keepers this last season or two, have they? :roll:


Some interesting stats for Championship GK’s here:

https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/C ... ship-Stats

Surprisingly we’re actually 10th for least shots against our keepers. Which would suggest, whilst not great, our defence haven’t been as big a hindrance to our keepers as you’d expect. In comparison, we’re 7th for most goals conceded and our keepers have the worst save percentage in the Championship.

I’m not saying it’s the fault of the coaching but our goalkeepers have underperformed quite badly for whatever reason and it’s our poor keepers than have let down our defenders rather than the other way around.

It's a wide argument but our defence have been opened up far too easily this season and it has cost us a lot of points. I would agree it's mainly individual mistakes but the keepers have berm left exposed

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Andrew Dibble “

Mon May 09, 2022 3:42 pm

Sven wrote:
Large Arge wrote:
Sven wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
Sven wrote:
GaerBlue wrote:Agreed. No room for sentiment, especially at the beginning of a major rebuild. If there is a good time to get his own staff in then it’s now.

Dibble was before my time but my old man always speaks about him very fondly. Bit of a shame as you could tell he loves the club and still claps the fans when he warms the keeper up before games. However, I’d much prefer a non-city affiliated coach as long as they improve and coach what we have.

Etheridge, Smithies and Phillips are very good keepers, we should have gotten more out of all of them. They came to us before their prime and like other posts have mentioned, 8-) they’ve progressively gotten worse.

I’ll back SM on this one as long as his decision is justified in 6/12 months time.

Or do we just get complacent with our own players and tend to see their few weaknesses before their strengths?

For me, Andy Dibble helped maintain the tradition of superb keepers in my time supporting the Bluebirds and how we've needed them on times!

The recent crop you mentioned above are all very good at plying their trade and two of them (Etheridge and Smithies) only left for financial reasons. Phillips may yet go for 'business' purposes, if a small fee can be obtained

Smithies, despite indications to the contrary, wanted to stay at the club and did not ask for a move or indicate he wanted to be 'nearer' home


Smithies was a top championship keeper when we bought him, Dillon Phillips had the best save % in the championship when at charlton before we bought him in.

This season they are both statistically the worst keepers in the league. So yes in this case they have progressively gotten worse



So if got worse what's gone wrong?
And whos fault is it Players or coach? Maybe the answer to why hes gone lies there.


Coach

I have to admire that you say that with such confidence; particularly with so little to back it up...

Of course, our defence haven't exposed our keepers this last season or two, have they? :roll:


Some interesting stats for Championship GK’s here:

https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/C ... ship-Stats

Surprisingly we’re actually 10th for least shots against our keepers. Which would suggest, whilst not great, our defence haven’t been as big a hindrance to our keepers as you’d expect. In comparison, we’re 7th for most goals conceded and our keepers have the worst save percentage in the Championship.

I’m not saying it’s the fault of the coaching but our goalkeepers have underperformed quite badly for whatever reason and it’s our poor keepers than have let down our defenders rather than the other way around.

It's a wide argument but our defence have been opened up far too easily this season and it has cost us a lot of points. I would agree it's mainly individual mistakes but the keepers have berm left exposed



There is also the point of confidence and if defenders and goalkeepers have not enough confidence in each other it leads to mistakes by them making wrong decisions... and seeing the current defence will be no more next season now is a good time to change goalkeepers and with that the coach who was in charge of them as hard to dismiss the stats no matter who's responsible for the errors that cost us silly goals

Re: UPDATED: Breaking: “ Andrew Dibble “

Tue May 10, 2022 2:30 pm

Sven wrote:
Large Arge wrote:
Sven wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
M4 Exile wrote:
Sven wrote:
GaerBlue wrote:Agreed. No room for sentiment, especially at the beginning of a major rebuild. If there is a good time to get his own staff in then it’s now.

Dibble was before my time but my old man always speaks about him very fondly. Bit of a shame as you could tell he loves the club and still claps the fans when he warms the keeper up before games. However, I’d much prefer a non-city affiliated coach as long as they improve and coach what we have.

Etheridge, Smithies and Phillips are very good keepers, we should have gotten more out of all of them. They came to us before their prime and like other posts have mentioned, 8-) they’ve progressively gotten worse.

I’ll back SM on this one as long as his decision is justified in 6/12 months time.

Or do we just get complacent with our own players and tend to see their few weaknesses before their strengths?

For me, Andy Dibble helped maintain the tradition of superb keepers in my time supporting the Bluebirds and how we've needed them on times!

The recent crop you mentioned above are all very good at plying their trade and two of them (Etheridge and Smithies) only left for financial reasons. Phillips may yet go for 'business' purposes, if a small fee can be obtained

Smithies, despite indications to the contrary, wanted to stay at the club and did not ask for a move or indicate he wanted to be 'nearer' home


Smithies was a top championship keeper when we bought him, Dillon Phillips had the best save % in the championship when at charlton before we bought him in.

This season they are both statistically the worst keepers in the league. So yes in this case they have progressively gotten worse



So if got worse what's gone wrong?
And whos fault is it Players or coach? Maybe the answer to why hes gone lies there.


Coach

I have to admire that you say that with such confidence; particularly with so little to back it up...

Of course, our defence haven't exposed our keepers this last season or two, have they? :roll:


Some interesting stats for Championship GK’s here:

https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/C ... ship-Stats

Surprisingly we’re actually 10th for least shots against our keepers. Which would suggest, whilst not great, our defence haven’t been as big a hindrance to our keepers as you’d expect. In comparison, we’re 7th for most goals conceded and our keepers have the worst save percentage in the Championship.

I’m not saying it’s the fault of the coaching but our goalkeepers have underperformed quite badly for whatever reason and it’s our poor keepers than have let down our defenders rather than the other way around.

It's a wide argument but our defence have been opened up far too easily this season and it has cost us a lot of points. I would agree it's mainly individual mistakes but the keepers have berm left exposed


https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/C ... ship-Stats

Yes but so have so have Barnsleys defenders, yet their keepers have made 147 saves 67.3% save% ours have 97 saves with 59.9 save%, a lower percentage than any other keeper in the league, you can't blame any defence for a goal keepers save percentages?

The stats back up why Morison needed to make a change.