UPDATED: ‘ Vincent Tan v Michael Isaac ‘

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Your bang on but the current owners have been here for 12 years surely they are football men now , 2 premiership campaigns a carling cup final that's a better record than any so called football men in the past .

Here we go again.

We were primed for Premier football before these guys turned up on the scene. It was Malky that got us there finally. Yet when these "football men" butted in, team selection etc etc that has come out in the open of late, we got relegated. Our next visit to Dream land was all down to Warnock. We nearly remained there with a Championship squad but for some bad decisions going against us. That was down to 2 things, Warnock management and these Football Men keeping out of it.

Who brought in malky and warnock? The current owners .I do believe if dave Jones was given the money malky and warnock had he would of done a better job of keeping us in the Premier league .

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

If you own something for 12 years then I think you have a clue, your washing over the facts ,we in the last 12 years have had the most successful period in our history under Tan that that's the fact .the academy is arguably the best it's ever been ,talent in every age group ,great facilities it's night and day compared to the days under Sam the football man or Ridsdale or any other owner

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

If you own something for 12 years then I think you have a clue, your washing over the facts ,we in the last 12 years have had the most successful period in our history under Tan that that's the fact .the academy is arguably the best it's ever been ,talent in every age group ,great facilities it's night and day compared to the days under Sam the football man or Ridsdale or any other owner

And while the Committee have taken control we’ve also had our worst ever run of results ever in over 100 plus years of history a Fact.

And where are we now?

Sam took over a shithole of a club and League 4.

Tan took over a club one game from the Premier league and a new stadium built .

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

If you own something for 12 years then I think you have a clue, your washing over the facts ,we in the last 12 years have had the most successful period in our history under Tan that that's the fact .the academy is arguably the best it's ever been ,talent in every age group ,great facilities it's night and day compared to the days under Sam the football man or Ridsdale or any other owner

And while the Committee have taken control we’ve also had our worst ever run of results ever in over 100 plus years of history a Fact.

And where are we now?

Sam took over a shithole of a club and League 4.

Tan took over a club one game from the Premier league and a new stadium built .

And tan took us to the Premier league twice something sam never done he couldnt manage it once with all these so called great players he produced with a great squad you always go on about he left ,sams legacy was debt ,court cases against the club "He's ment to love " he was the one who brought in risdale and all the years of winding up orders from that appointment ,all sams legacies but the worse one that fans cant forgive him for is he nearly took us out of business completely for a 500k payment he wanted when pmg took over .short memory about Sam you got annis .Rose tinted glasses ignoring his bad legacies just coz hes your friend .

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

If you own something for 12 years then I think you have a clue, your washing over the facts ,we in the last 12 years have had the most successful period in our history under Tan that that's the fact .the academy is arguably the best it's ever been ,talent in every age group ,great facilities it's night and day compared to the days under Sam the football man or Ridsdale or any other owner

And while the Committee have taken control we’ve also had our worst ever run of results ever in over 100 plus years of history a Fact.

And where are we now?

Sam took over a shithole of a club and League 4.

Tan took over a club one game from the Premier league and a new stadium built .

And tan took us to the Premier league twice something sam never done he couldnt manage it once with all these so called great players he produced with a great squad you always go on about he left ,sams legacy was debt ,court cases against the club "He's ment to love " he was the one who brought in risdale and all the years of winding up orders from that appointment ,all sams legacies but the worse one that fans cant forgive him for is he nearly took us out of business completely for a 500k payment he wanted when pmg took over .short memory about Sam you got annis .Rose tinted glasses ignoring his bad legacies just coz hes your friend .

Tan two relegations and a bigger debt and hammered every week. And stripped us of our identity, so for its was f*cking awful being up their looking like another club.


Sam Two promotions and NO relegations and left us 5pts clear at the top of the Championship.

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

If you own something for 12 years then I think you have a clue, your washing over the facts ,we in the last 12 years have had the most successful period in our history under Tan that that's the fact .the academy is arguably the best it's ever been ,talent in every age group ,great facilities it's night and day compared to the days under Sam the football man or Ridsdale or any other owner

And while the Committee have taken control we’ve also had our worst ever run of results ever in over 100 plus years of history a Fact.

And where are we now?

Sam took over a shithole of a club and League 4.

Tan took over a club one game from the Premier league and a new stadium built .

And tan took us to the Premier league twice something sam never done he couldnt manage it once with all these so called great players he produced with a great squad you always go on about he left ,sams legacy was debt ,court cases against the club "He's ment to love " he was the one who brought in risdale and all the years of winding up orders from that appointment ,all sams legacies but the worse one that fans cant forgive him for is he nearly took us out of business completely for a 500k payment he wanted when pmg took over .short memory about Sam you got annis .Rose tinted glasses ignoring his bad legacies just coz hes your friend .

Tan two relegations and a bigger debt and hammered every week. And stripped us of our identity, so for its was f*cking awful being up their looking like another club.


Sam Two promotions and NO relegations and left us 5pts clear at the top of the Championship.

24 million spent to get us to the championship some awefull signings
and losing 8 million a season with wage bill 125% of our income that was sams legacy when he jumped ship, If things were so rosey under sam why did he have to jump ship ?why didn't he say no to pmg and Ridsdale? .

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

If you own something for 12 years then I think you have a clue, your washing over the facts ,we in the last 12 years have had the most successful period in our history under Tan that that's the fact .the academy is arguably the best it's ever been ,talent in every age group ,great facilities it's night and day compared to the days under Sam the football man or Ridsdale or any other owner

And while the Committee have taken control we’ve also had our worst ever run of results ever in over 100 plus years of history a Fact.

And where are we now?

Sam took over a shithole of a club and League 4.

Tan took over a club one game from the Premier league and a new stadium built .

And tan took us to the Premier league twice something sam never done he couldnt manage it once with all these so called great players he produced with a great squad you always go on about he left ,sams legacy was debt ,court cases against the club "He's ment to love " he was the one who brought in risdale and all the years of winding up orders from that appointment ,all sams legacies but the worse one that fans cant forgive him for is he nearly took us out of business completely for a 500k payment he wanted when pmg took over .short memory about Sam you got annis .Rose tinted glasses ignoring his bad legacies just coz hes your friend .

Tan two relegations and a bigger debt and hammered every week. And stripped us of our identity, so for its was f*cking awful being up their looking like another club.


Sam Two promotions and NO relegations and left us 5pts clear at the top of the Championship.

24 million spent to get us to the championship some awefull signings
and losing 8 million a season with wage bill 125% of our income that was sams legacy when he jumped ship, If things were so rosey under sam why did he have to jump ship ?why didn't he say no to pmg and Ridsdale? .

A new stadium plot found, outline planning done for stadium.

Yes £24 mill.

Left Players like Roger Johnson, Ramsey, Gunter , Ledley , Loovens , Alexandra goalie, Kevin McCnaughton, Peter Whittingham etc etc etc worth over £30 mill , a squad full of talent and New Accademy which had never been done before.


A fantastic Accademy producing players like Adam Matthews.

That’s why we needed to leave Ninian Park asap to get bigger gates and bigger sponsorship etc

When Sam took over we were league 4.


Sam left us 5pts clear at the Top of Championship , two promotions , No relegations.

Where were we before Sam?





Answer every question honestly?

Simple answers?

How much is the current squad worth?


What is our current debt?


How many court cases have we had and how many now?

Where are we in the league?

Because they stabbed him in the back, Temme.

Wez 1927. What complete shit you spout .tan shut down the bluebirds for 2 and a half years replaced them with Cardiff red and you call that success?. No trophys failed to establish in premier League now near bottom of table.

Wez 1927. What complete shit you spout .tan shut down the bluebirds for 2 and a half years replaced them with Cardiff red and you call that success?. No trophys failed to establish in premier League now near bottom of table.

Been back to the Premier league in blue since ,the facts are we have had our most successful period in our history arguably since sam left ,new stadium, fa cup final ,carling cup final ,playing in the Premier league ,bigger attendances ,more income , record transfer fees paid but people like you wash over the fact coz he made a mistake but rectify it by putting us back to blue ay.

Wez 1927. What complete shit you spout .tan shut down the bluebirds for 2 and a half years replaced them with Cardiff red and you call that success?. No trophys failed to establish in premier League now near bottom of table.

Been back to the Premier league in blue since ,the facts are we have had our most successful period in our history arguably since sam left ,new stadium, fa cup final ,carling cup final ,playing in the Premier league ,bigger attendances ,more income , record transfer fees paid but people like you wash over the fact coz he made a mistake but rectify it by putting us back to blue ay.

It's a bit like "What have the Romans done for us ........." in the Life of Brian for all the oldies

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Your bang on but the current owners have been here for 12 years surely they are football men now , 2 premiership campaigns a carling cup final that's a better record than any so called football men in the past .

Here we go again.

We were primed for Premier football before these guys turned up on the scene. It was Malky that got us there finally. Yet when these "football men" butted in, team selection etc etc that has come out in the open of late, we got relegated. Our next visit to Dream land was all down to Warnock. We nearly remained there with a Championship squad but for some bad decisions going against us. That was down to 2 things, Warnock management and these Football Men keeping out of it.

Very selective memory

How anyone in their right mind would want Hammam back quite frankly astonishes me. And I have supported the city for 60 years. Never mind the colour of the shirts I remembet him cotemplating changing our name. I wonder how that would sit with Barclay and his thousands of mates
Just glad Im not one of them

Answer straight did he change our name?

Who changed our colour and badge ?



He asked our fans about badge and colour and Valley Rams told him to change badge to St.David’s.
I was fuming with him and never bought a single thing.

Still waiting for the answers??????

Didn't tan ask the fans about the change of colour and they supporters club said yes ? So nothing really different .

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

If you own something for 12 years then I think you have a clue, your washing over the facts ,we in the last 12 years have had the most successful period in our history under Tan that that's the fact .the academy is arguably the best it's ever been ,talent in every age group ,great facilities it's night and day compared to the days under Sam the football man or Ridsdale or any other owner

And while the Committee have taken control we’ve also had our worst ever run of results ever in over 100 plus years of history a Fact.

And where are we now?

Sam took over a shithole of a club and League 4.

Tan took over a club one game from the Premier league and a new stadium built .

And tan took us to the Premier league twice something sam never done he couldnt manage it once with all these so called great players he produced with a great squad you always go on about he left ,sams legacy was debt ,court cases against the club "He's ment to love " he was the one who brought in risdale and all the years of winding up orders from that appointment ,all sams legacies but the worse one that fans cant forgive him for is he nearly took us out of business completely for a 500k payment he wanted when pmg took over .short memory about Sam you got annis .Rose tinted glasses ignoring his bad legacies just coz hes your friend .

Tan two relegations and a bigger debt and hammered every week. And stripped us of our identity, so for its was f*cking awful being up their looking like another club.


Sam Two promotions and NO relegations and left us 5pts clear at the top of the Championship.

So let me get this right for clarification.

When Sam owned us, the promotions were his doing and he left us 5 points clear at the top of the championship?

When Tan owned us, the promotions were due to Malky and Warnock? However the relegations were because of Tan?

Yep, very logical that.

Wez 1927. What complete shit you spout .tan shut down the bluebirds for 2 and a half years replaced them with Cardiff red and you call that success?. No trophys failed to establish in premier League now near bottom of table.

Been back to the Premier league in blue since ,the facts are we have had our most successful period in our history arguably since sam left ,new stadium, fa cup final ,carling cup final ,playing in the Premier league ,bigger attendances ,more income , record transfer fees paid but people like you wash over the fact coz he made a mistake but rectify it by putting us back to blue ay.

It's a bit like "What have the Romans done for us ........." in the Life of Brian for all the oldies

Sam or Tan are not the messiah they are just very naughty boys

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

If you own something for 12 years then I think you have a clue, your washing over the facts ,we in the last 12 years have had the most successful period in our history under Tan that that's the fact .the academy is arguably the best it's ever been ,talent in every age group ,great facilities it's night and day compared to the days under Sam the football man or Ridsdale or any other owner

And while the Committee have taken control we’ve also had our worst ever run of results ever in over 100 plus years of history a Fact.

And where are we now?

Sam took over a shithole of a club and League 4.

Tan took over a club one game from the Premier league and a new stadium built .

And tan took us to the Premier league twice something sam never done he couldnt manage it once with all these so called great players he produced with a great squad you always go on about he left ,sams legacy was debt ,court cases against the club "He's ment to love " he was the one who brought in risdale and all the years of winding up orders from that appointment ,all sams legacies but the worse one that fans cant forgive him for is he nearly took us out of business completely for a 500k payment he wanted when pmg took over .short memory about Sam you got annis .Rose tinted glasses ignoring his bad legacies just coz hes your friend .

Tan two relegations and a bigger debt and hammered every week. And stripped us of our identity, so for its was f*cking awful being up their looking like another club.


Sam Two promotions and NO relegations and left us 5pts clear at the top of the Championship.

So let me get this right for clarification.

When Sam owned us, the promotions were his doing and he left us 5 points clear at the top of the championship?

When Tan owned us, the promotions were due to Malky and Warnock? However the relegations were because of Tan?

Yep, very logical that.

You should know that now .

Everyone should know that everything good that happens is down to the managers or Sam, everything bad that happens is down to Tan !!

Some very reasonable points made by both sides of the Tan vs Sam ‘supporters’ here. But I don’t understand why people say the owners not a football man or his CEO are not football men. Look at the likes of Liverpool and Man City, their owners and CEO’s are not exactly football men either. So why do we as a championship club need to have an owner and CEO who are football men, when the best clubs in the world don’t? I’d prefer to have people who understand finance more than football to run our club. The football side of it is down to the manager, and he’s told yes or no by the ‘committee’ whether it’s within budget.

Very true.

Big arguments these days for Football Directors.

Tan had never seen a football match till the Cardiff v Blackpool game play off Final at Wembley.

If he was a keen football or even a football fan would he not want to come and watch his club in person.

I think you def need a football man on board as well as investors.

He’s still waiting to see how many goals our goalie scores or if the painter wants the managers job.

So if your in a job for 12 years ,by your logic your not any good at that job and you don't learn ? Tans learnt the hard way about football and has written off his own money coz of it .

So you honestly believe Tan now knows football, just look at the state we are in now and he told the managers to play the U23 team in the first team this season and that’s why Steve Morison has stated on record we are where we are in the Championship, the table don’t lie and Morison only plays a couple of them and sometimes one or none.

If you own something for 12 years then I think you have a clue, your washing over the facts ,we in the last 12 years have had the most successful period in our history under Tan that that's the fact .the academy is arguably the best it's ever been ,talent in every age group ,great facilities it's night and day compared to the days under Sam the football man or Ridsdale or any other owner

And while the Committee have taken control we’ve also had our worst ever run of results ever in over 100 plus years of history a Fact.

And where are we now?

Sam took over a shithole of a club and League 4.

Tan took over a club one game from the Premier league and a new stadium built .

And tan took us to the Premier league twice something sam never done he couldnt manage it once with all these so called great players he produced with a great squad you always go on about he left ,sams legacy was debt ,court cases against the club "He's ment to love " he was the one who brought in risdale and all the years of winding up orders from that appointment ,all sams legacies but the worse one that fans cant forgive him for is he nearly took us out of business completely for a 500k payment he wanted when pmg took over .short memory about Sam you got annis .Rose tinted glasses ignoring his bad legacies just coz hes your friend .

Tan two relegations and a bigger debt and hammered every week. And stripped us of our identity, so for its was f*cking awful being up their looking like another club.


Sam Two promotions and NO relegations and left us 5pts clear at the top of the Championship.

So let me get this right for clarification.

When Sam owned us, the promotions were his doing and he left us 5 points clear at the top of the championship?

When Tan owned us, the promotions were due to Malky and Warnock? However the relegations were because of Tan?

Yep, very logical that.

Tan butted in on team selection so yes it is why we went down first time.

Pretty logical that.

Its pretty logical that Warnock got us promoted the 2nd time. What did Tans preferred manager Slade do for us? Logical when you think about it.

As for Sams achievements comparded to Tan well Sam wins hands down. You can't get more logical than that.

Oh bless you Ian.

To say our Academy is the best it's ever been is quite frankly ludicrous.

I'm not even going to back this argument as it is the biggest load of claptrap I've ever heard.

If We are to believe this is one of the regime's success stories then some people are delusional.

To say our Academy is the best it's ever been is quite frankly ludicrous.

I'm not even going to back this argument as it is the biggest load of claptrap I've ever heard.

If We are to believe this is one of the regime's success stories then some people are delusional.

Just look at the facilties around South wales now compared to 10 years ago .your negative vibe is boring now zzzzzzzzz.

Facilities mean nothing, it's productivity that counts.

Easiest thing is to simply go back and start using the 'your negative vibe'. Those who hold the same opinion as me? They negative too?

Facilities mean nothing, it's productivity that counts.

Easiest thing is to simply go back and start using the 'your negative vibe'. Those who hold the same opinion as me? They negative too?

Totally agree.

Sam, Ridsdale or many of the owners before couldn’t get to the premier league. Tan did.

What’s more productive than that??

Facilities mean nothing, it's productivity that counts.

Easiest thing is to simply go back and start using the 'your negative vibe'. Those who hold the same opinion as me? They negative too?

Totally agree.

Sam, Ridsdale or many of the owners before couldn’t get to the premier league. Tan did.

What’s more productive than that??

It was not Tan but Malky that got us there.

If its Tan then why did he not get us there when DJ was manager?

Facilities mean nothing, it's productivity that counts.

Easiest thing is to simply go back and start using the 'your negative vibe'. Those who hold the same opinion as me? They negative too?

Totally agree.

Sam, Ridsdale or many of the owners before couldn’t get to the premier league. Tan did.

What’s more productive than that??

It was not Tan but Malky that got us there.

If its Tan then why did he not get us there when DJ was manager?

Because Tan sacked DJ a year after taking full control.

Ok then I’ll indulge your stupidity.

I’ll take championship level as the factor that is the same across the board and ignore promotions to the premier league (as Sam and Ridsdale weren’t chairman/owner when we did that)

Sam as owner
03-04 we finished 13th
04-05 we finished 16th
05-06 we finished 11th
06-07 we finished 13th

Ridsdale as chairman/PMG owning
07-08 we finished 12th
08-09 we finished 7th
09-10 we finished 4th
10-11 we finished 4th

Tan as owner
11-12 we finished 6th
12-13 we finished 1st
14-15 we finished 11th
15-16 we finished 8th
16-17 we finished 12th
17-18 we finished 2nd
19-20 we finished 5th
20-21 we finished 8th

Average attendances are higher under Tan. % of stadium filled is higher under Tan.

What measurement do you want to use to say Tan has done shit? This season is an anomaly and it has been awful. You will not find anyone disagreeing with that. However you literally cannot say Tan hasn’t brought success and improved the club. This season we may finish below 16th. But under Sam we got nowhere near the top end of the Championship and it was Ridsdale (amazingly) who delivered that.

You will spout your usual tosh about a club being ready for the premier league when Tan took over. If that’s true it’s fack all to do with Sam he had left years before. There will be tosh said about Sam leaving us top of the league as if we would have stayed there had Sam stayed. We wouldn’t have. History shows that to be true as well as the fact the squad was tiny with no depth, no grass training pitch and no chance of staying there. Of course I am grateful Sam took us from the dungeon to the rung below the top league. But we had plateaued and crowds were simply not increasing. That was part of the issue and severely affected funding but it took the absolute shit Peter Ridsdale to push us on. Via a lot of HMRC cases and increased debt. Then Tan was the one who delivered premier league football.

ALL FACTS AND SUPPORTED BY EVIDENCE.

Facilities mean nothing, it's productivity that counts.

Easiest thing is to simply go back and start using the 'your negative vibe'. Those who hold the same opinion as me? They negative too?

Totally agree.

Sam, Ridsdale or many of the owners before couldn’t get to the premier league. Tan did.

What’s more productive than that??

But the club got to the Premiership without any help from the Academy??

It's the productivity from the ACADEMY I'm on about.

You don't half twist things for your own agenda.

Our attendances improved under Sam then the Ridsdale. We know why. Tan came in when we were on a crest and it was for his doing that our attendances stayed high. He inherited all that. Now look at our attendances, not so impressive now are they?

As for saying Sam never got us near the top end of the Championship. Pretty sure its a well known FACT that he left us 5 points ahead of everyone else.

Facilities mean nothing, it's productivity that counts.

Easiest thing is to simply go back and start using the 'your negative vibe'. Those who hold the same opinion as me? They negative too?

Totally agree.

Sam, Ridsdale or many of the owners before couldn’t get to the premier league. Tan did.

What’s more productive than that??

But the club got to the Premiership without any help from the Academy??

It's the productivity from the ACADEMY I'm on about.

I’m not sure what your point is.

It’s hardly as if we have been blessed with amazing home grown players in the 2000s.

I saw Adam Matthews mentioned earlier as a plus. He played hardly any games, left for peanuts and is now playing at his true level.

Aaron Ramsey was amazing, Collins and Ledley too and Earnie class. But aside from those four who else actually made a difference?