" AWFUL VIOLENCE FROM TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN THE US "

I described the people who stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday as Fascists, not the 74 million who voted for Trump. The people who did that want to over turn a democratic election through the use of violence. That's not hyperbole, it's a fact; those people are fascists. The word fascist is not meaningless and the fact that in 2021 we're seeing people in the world's most open democracy behaving in a violent, fascist way in order to maintain power is extremely disturbing and it needs to be stopped. These people need to accept a democratic vote. They can protest against it all they want but should never resort to violence.
Most of us do have a middle ground and can agree on most things. However, at the moment, politics is extremely polarised. The nut jobs who were rioting yesterday should not have been encouraged beforehand by the rhetoric coming from the media. All media outlets need to take a long, hard at themselves and need to tone down the hyperbolic language they use, "enemies of the people, the swamp " etc. If the media was more balanced and didn't portray people who had different views as "the other" or "Enemies of the people" etc etc, most people would find a middle ground and privileged, fascistic charlatans like Trump would never get into political power. Look at the difference between him losing and the dignity and statesman-like way John McCain accepted defeat to Obama in 2008.

Bill, thanks for the response, it is measured and the overwhelming majority of what you say I agree with.

Trump's supporters who stormed the Capitol building made a huge mistake in doing so. They, up until this point, held the moral high ground, but acting in mimicking ANTIFA and BLM rioters have conceded that. They had an opportunity to make their voice heard loudly and clearly across the world with what would have been one of the largest political protests in history, but by descending into violence they broke their own narrative.

I agree wholeheartedly with you, protest is a hugely important part of democracy, violence is not.

Equally, I agree, the media on both sides of the aisle has to step back and pull away from the divisive rhetoric if we are to find that common ground and become less divided.

I would argue against labelling Trump as fascistic. Bombastic, aggressive and arrogant sure. But a fundamental tenet of his economic policy was to reduce the red-tape of government bureaucracy and to empower the individual, it was more leaning to libertarianism than statism if anything and fascism very much falls within the latter of these two opposites. However, that is another conversation, for another thread, another time.

The important take away is that I agree that we (again this is much bigger than the US just most evident there) are more polarised as a society now than we have ever been within my lifetime and rhetoric on both sides must be toned down to avoid that escalating to a point of no return.

To be honest, I do worry that we may have already reached that tipping point and that was evidenced on the 6th, but hopefully, it could also be the wake-up call a lot of people needed to start walking some of this back, but we at least have to hope they try.

Wow! Calm down dear, you sound very angry! "Enemies" ? That makes you sound like one of the fascists who were rioting in the name of Trump on Wednesday.

You do realise that the way you and many others so liberally throw around words like fascist and neo-nazi has made these words almost meaningless.

You undermine your every argument by excessive use of hyperbole and seem desperate to use one very broad brush to tar nearly 74 million people with the same.

Genuine question for you BIll, what is more important to you, actually looking at how the divide (which is far greater than the US, that is just the most visible aspect of it right now) can be bridged and how people can find a middle ground, or winning the argument with hyperbolic nonsense?

I described the people who stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday as Fascists, not the 74 million who voted for Trump. The people who did that want to over turn a democratic election through the use of violence. That's not hyperbole, it's a fact; those people are fascists. The word fascist is not meaningless and the fact that in 2021 we're seeing people in the world's most open democracy behaving in a violent, fascist way in order to maintain power is extremely disturbing and it needs to be stopped. These people need to accept a democratic vote. They can protest against it all they want but should never resort to violence.
Most of us do have a middle ground and can agree on most things. However, at the moment, politics is extremely polarised. The nut jobs who were rioting yesterday should not have been encouraged beforehand by the rhetoric coming from the media. All media outlets need to take a long, hard at themselves and need to tone down the hyperbolic language they use, "enemies of the people, the swamp " etc. If the media was more balanced and didn't portray people who had different views as "the other" or "Enemies of the people" etc etc, most people would find a middle ground and privileged, fascistic charlatans like Trump would never get into political power. Look at the difference between him losing and the dignity and statesman-like way John McCain accepted defeat to Obama in 2008.

We need to be aware of how people on the Right of politics on this board phrase and frame things things to push their own agenda. Earlier a poster described 53 people in Hong Kong being abducted and it turns out they were detained by security service. Also was accusing people of relying on a biased BBC for their news. Well blow me down if another posted the link which was from the BBC lol and didn't mention the error that they were not abducted . He then insinuated that you were calling 74 million republican voters Fascist when it was plain to see from your post that it was the rioters that you were referring to.

Just saying be careful of the,"poetic License" that is too often used by certain posters

Do you think hyperbole is limited to people you describe as right wing
Do you think BLM/Antifa were displaying Facist/Nazi tendencies when destroying cities
Do you think the BBC is a reliable balanced source of info
And finally do you think Biden will Buck the trend and be a force for good geo politically.

You are aware that there were nazis and fascists there.
That picture which baked alaaka put on page 2 is of someone who attends rallies of:
Kkk
National socialists (aka what the nazis called themselves rather than being an actual socialist rally)
The aryan nations.

I think fascist and nazi is a pretty apt description.

It is an apt description for the guy in the anti-Semitic hoody who I have already in this very thread labelled scum.

Is it an accurate description of all Trump voters in your mind though? This is the important point I am trying to get to.

If we can agree that not all Trump supporters are not fascists and not all democrats are neo-marxists, which is clearly the case as there is a very distinct split in the democratic party which is slowly being consumed by their won extremist elements, then we (with all the best will in the world I don't mean you and I but 'we' as a society at large) may be able to start having meaningful productive conversations.

There really are fine people on both sides. But their voices are being drowned out by the extremists who take all the headlines.

Wow! Calm down dear, you sound very angry! "Enemies" ? That makes you sound like one of the fascists who were rioting in the name of Trump on Wednesday.

You do realise that the way you and many others so liberally throw around words like fascist and neo-nazi has made these words almost meaningless.

You undermine your every argument by excessive use of hyperbole and seem desperate to use one very broad brush to tar nearly 74 million people with the same.

Genuine question for you BIll, what is more important to you, actually looking at how the divide (which is far greater than the US, that is just the most visible aspect of it right now) can be bridged and how people can find a middle ground, or winning the argument with hyperbolic nonsense?

I described the people who stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday as Fascists, not the 74 million who voted for Trump. The people who did that want to over turn a democratic election through the use of violence. That's not hyperbole, it's a fact; those people are fascists. The word fascist is not meaningless and the fact that in 2021 we're seeing people in the world's most open democracy behaving in a violent, fascist way in order to maintain power is extremely disturbing and it needs to be stopped. These people need to accept a democratic vote. They can protest against it all they want but should never resort to violence.
Most of us do have a middle ground and can agree on most things. However, at the moment, politics is extremely polarised. The nut jobs who were rioting yesterday should not have been encouraged beforehand by the rhetoric coming from the media. All media outlets need to take a long, hard at themselves and need to tone down the hyperbolic language they use, "enemies of the people, the swamp " etc. If the media was more balanced and didn't portray people who had different views as "the other" or "Enemies of the people" etc etc, most people would find a middle ground and privileged, fascistic charlatans like Trump would never get into political power. Look at the difference between him losing and the dignity and statesman-like way John McCain accepted defeat to Obama in 2008.

We need to be aware of how people on the Right of politics on this board phrase and frame things things to push their own agenda. Earlier a poster described 53 people in Hong Kong being abducted and it turns out they were detained by security service. Also was accusing people of relying on a biased BBC for their news. Well blow me down if another posted the link which was from the BBC lol and didn't mention the error that they were not abducted . He then insinuated that you were calling 74 million republican voters Fascist when it was plain to see from your post that it was the rioters that you were referring to.

Just saying be careful of the,"poetic License" that is too often used by certain posters

No offence mate but your opinion holds no validity as you have consistently resorted to a mix of blatant lies to push your narrative and when challenged on it come out with some of the most offensive ad hominem attacks I've seen on this message board and whenever challenged on it you scream racist at every turn as your get out of jail card.

I'm all for trying to find balance and middle ground in challenging conversations but you've proven yourself over and over to be highly disingenuous, grossly offensive and personally I now suspect you are little more than a troll given the inconsistency in what you've put posted.

The woman shot dead was not shot by protestors, as the headlines and some people on here, are insinuating.
She was shot by the police.
She was a married, businesswoman and US airforce veteran, so you could argue she had earned the right to protest.
She was shot by the police, so will the officer be charged with murder?
Will there be riots, looting, burning shops/buildings in the USA and riots in this country now?
Pipe bombs were allegedly found outside the Republican offices, so not Trump supporters placing them.

The media yet again not reporting events fully or fairly.

The US is in a mess and the new president/government will not improve the situation.

She was warned twice to stop and charged the police, there is video evidence of what happened, at this moment we do not whether she was armed or not, you were not there but go ahead blame the police when you have no idea what actually happened. Also you do have the right to protest, but you do not have the right to break into congress, and attack the police, this is not protesting but terrorism.

i watched the video yesterday. suggest you do too before posting this charging the police stuff.... was murder...

I am glad you watched the video, so you would have seen the guy right next to her brandishing a gun, whether the cop seen the gun will determine whether or not he is prosecuted, he has no way of knowing if she was armed or not. Her death is very sad, and avoidable, but when what happened yesterday with this mob, it was obvious that there would be consequences, it is only surprising that there were not more deaths. No matter what you say it is all down to Trump, not a matter of whether you like him or not.

she was shot from behind a locked door and a barricade and the cop took ages lining the shot up...its not what your post implied at all..... on the broader issue they 100% shouldnt have been in there or tried to get in there..and the ease in which they did it was bewildering...we have all seen much more effective security than that in slopper rd..

Wow! Calm down dear, you sound very angry! "Enemies" ? That makes you sound like one of the fascists who were rioting in the name of Trump on Wednesday.

You do realise that the way you and many others so liberally throw around words like fascist and neo-nazi has made these words almost meaningless.

You undermine your every argument by excessive use of hyperbole and seem desperate to use one very broad brush to tar nearly 74 million people with the same.

Genuine question for you BIll, what is more important to you, actually looking at how the divide (which is far greater than the US, that is just the most visible aspect of it right now) can be bridged and how people can find a middle ground, or winning the argument with hyperbolic nonsense?

I described the people who stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday as Fascists, not the 74 million who voted for Trump. The people who did that want to over turn a democratic election through the use of violence. That's not hyperbole, it's a fact; those people are fascists. The word fascist is not meaningless and the fact that in 2021 we're seeing people in the world's most open democracy behaving in a violent, fascist way in order to maintain power is extremely disturbing and it needs to be stopped. These people need to accept a democratic vote. They can protest against it all they want but should never resort to violence.
Most of us do have a middle ground and can agree on most things. However, at the moment, politics is extremely polarised. The nut jobs who were rioting yesterday should not have been encouraged beforehand by the rhetoric coming from the media. All media outlets need to take a long, hard at themselves and need to tone down the hyperbolic language they use, "enemies of the people, the swamp " etc. If the media was more balanced and didn't portray people who had different views as "the other" or "Enemies of the people" etc etc, most people would find a middle ground and privileged, fascistic charlatans like Trump would never get into political power. Look at the difference between him losing and the dignity and statesman-like way John McCain accepted defeat to Obama in 2008.

We need to be aware of how people on the Right of politics on this board phrase and frame things things to push their own agenda. Earlier a poster described 53 people in Hong Kong being abducted and it turns out they were detained by security service. Also was accusing people of relying on a biased BBC for their news. Well blow me down if another posted the link which was from the BBC lol and didn't mention the error that they were not abducted . He then insinuated that you were calling 74 million republican voters Fascist when it was plain to see from your post that it was the rioters that you were referring to.

Just saying be careful of the,"poetic License" that is too often used by certain posters

Do you think hyperbole is limited to people you describe as right wing
Do you think BLM/Antifa were displaying Fascist/Nazi tendencies when destroying cities
Do you think the BBC is a reliable balanced source of info
And finally do you think Biden will Buck the trend and be a force for good geo politically.

your answers
Do you think hyperbole is limited to people you describe as right wing?
Absolutely not

Do you think BLM/Antifa were displaying Fascist/Nazi tendencies when destroying cities?
Yes i do

Do you think the BBC is a reliable balanced source of info?
Its no better and no worse than other media sources

And finally do you think Biden will Buck the trend and be a force for good geo politically?
I really don't know but to be honest but he does not display the same egoistic and narcissistic traits that have blighted the last year in the USA. Based on that i think he will be better.

My post wasn't about any of the above questions though. It was about mis-information ie, being abducted is totally different to being detained and accusing people of using the BBC as a source of information then a BBC link is posted. Finally a slight of hand accusing a poster of saying 74 million republicans were Fascist when if was plain to see that he was talking about the rioters. That's all nothing more or less. Just be careful what you read is the motto

And the Communists who just abducted 53 people in Hong Kong.. disgusting extremism. Oddly never gets a mention from the noisy brigade on here. I don’t know why.

Do you have a link ? Hard to mention it if it's not known about, BBC news website has nothing that is easily visible. Not denying that it happened but you're blaming people (me for one?) for not mentioning it when they may not know.

Could you also name the "noisy brigade" so we know who it is you're directing this at.

Not blaming you, don’t know you. BBC run by elitist fake socialists obsessed with Trump. Get your political news there, and you
likely get the news you want.

Well, now you know and it’s all quiet. Perhaps we should wait for football poster bill to start a new thread. Josh may throw in a few wikilinks to reinforce evidence of Communist Party oppression. It’s fairly popular.. been going on for decades.

As someone else says they were not abducted but detained by security forces and while I may not agree with the situation it is
their country & their security forces.

I get some news from the BBC news website first thing in the morning not because it's where I get all my information but because the headlines & front page give me some idea of what is going on in the world. What I then choose to look at closer is up to me.

You are right about one thing though, you don't know me.

Wow! Calm down dear, you sound very angry! "Enemies" ? That makes you sound like one of the fascists who were rioting in the name of Trump on Wednesday.

You do realise that the way you and many others so liberally throw around words like fascist and neo-nazi has made these words almost meaningless.

You undermine your every argument by excessive use of hyperbole and seem desperate to use one very broad brush to tar nearly 74 million people with the same.

Genuine question for you BIll, what is more important to you, actually looking at how the divide (which is far greater than the US, that is just the most visible aspect of it right now) can be bridged and how people can find a middle ground, or winning the argument with hyperbolic nonsense?

I described the people who stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday as Fascists, not the 74 million who voted for Trump. The people who did that want to over turn a democratic election through the use of violence. That's not hyperbole, it's a fact; those people are fascists. The word fascist is not meaningless and the fact that in 2021 we're seeing people in the world's most open democracy behaving in a violent, fascist way in order to maintain power is extremely disturbing and it needs to be stopped. These people need to accept a democratic vote. They can protest against it all they want but should never resort to violence.
Most of us do have a middle ground and can agree on most things. However, at the moment, politics is extremely polarised. The nut jobs who were rioting yesterday should not have been encouraged beforehand by the rhetoric coming from the media. All media outlets need to take a long, hard at themselves and need to tone down the hyperbolic language they use, "enemies of the people, the swamp " etc. If the media was more balanced and didn't portray people who had different views as "the other" or "Enemies of the people" etc etc, most people would find a middle ground and privileged, fascistic charlatans like Trump would never get into political power. Look at the difference between him losing and the dignity and statesman-like way John McCain accepted defeat to Obama in 2008.

We need to be aware of how people on the Right of politics on this board phrase and frame things things to push their own agenda. Earlier a poster described 53 people in Hong Kong being abducted and it turns out they were detained by security service. Also was accusing people of relying on a biased BBC for their news. Well blow me down if another posted the link which was from the BBC lol and didn't mention the error that they were not abducted . He then insinuated that you were calling 74 million republican voters Fascist when it was plain to see from your post that it was the rioters that you were referring to.

Just saying be careful of the,"poetic License" that is too often used by certain posters

Do you think hyperbole is limited to people you describe as right wing
Do you think BLM/Antifa were displaying Fascist/Nazi tendencies when destroying cities
Do you think the BBC is a reliable balanced source of info
And finally do you think Biden will Buck the trend and be a force for good geo politically.

your answers
Do you think hyperbole is limited to people you describe as right wing?
Absolutely not

Do you think BLM/Antifa were displaying Fascist/Nazi tendencies when destroying cities?
Yes i do

Do you think the BBC is a reliable balanced source of info?
Its no better and no worse than other media sources

And finally do you think Biden will Buck the trend and be a force for good geo politically?
I really don't know but to be honest but he does not display the same egoistic and narcissistic traits that have blighted the last year in the USA. Based on that i think he will be better.

My post wasn't about any of the above questions though. It was about mis-information ie, being abducted is totally different to being detained and accusing people of using the BBC as a source of information then a BBC link is posted. Finally a slight of hand accusing a poster of saying 74 million republicans were Fascist when if was plain to see that he was talking about the rioters. That's all nothing more or less. Just be careful what you read is the motto

Decent reply, i hope your right re Biden, I think if Clinton had won the Yanks would be in Iran and Venezuela now. It’s refreshing to see someone condemn violent scum equally irrespective of what side of the political fence they sit on. However I think terms like Nazi and Facists are thrown about too easily and actually diminishes the shit real Facists and Nazis did.

The Media owned by the elites are encouraging division in society on purpose its that simple,

in the middle of a pandemic and economic meltdown they wont even give a floor vote for medicare for all,
or give the American people a bailout,
we are going through the biggest upward transfer of wealth ever to the corporate elites,
and they have the working class at each others throats.

The republicans and democrats only have one demographic they care about themselves and corporate donors.

If your insane enough to think trump is the problem your missing the reality of the future that is coming,
Trump is the symptoms not the rotten disease.

Neo liberalism is fighting for its life and they will destroy everything to remain in power.

And the Communists who just abducted 53 people in Hong Kong.. disgusting extremism. Oddly never gets a mention from the noisy brigade on here. I don’t know why.

Do you have a link ? Hard to mention it if it's not known about, BBC news website has nothing that is easily visible. Not denying that it happened but you're blaming people (me for one?) for not mentioning it when they may not know.

Could you also name the "noisy brigade" so we know who it is you're directing this at.

Not blaming you, don’t know you. BBC run by elitist fake socialists obsessed with Trump. Get your political news there, and you
likely get the news you want.

Well, now you know and it’s all quiet. Perhaps we should wait for football poster bill to start a new thread. Josh may throw in a few wikilinks to reinforce evidence of Communist Party oppression. It’s fairly popular.. been going on for decades.

As someone else says they were not abducted but detained by security forces and while I may not agree with the situation it is
their country & their security forces.

I get some news from the BBC news website first thing in the morning not because it's where I get all my information but because the headlines & front page give me some idea of what is going on in the world. What I then choose to look at closer is up to me.

You are right about one thing though, you don't know me.

And you were wrong, I didn’t blame you.

Same for the USA, their country, their politics. Someone else talks about democracy, yet clearly refuses to accept the result of the 2016 election. No difference between bill and Trump there..

And the Communists who just abducted 53 people in Hong Kong.. disgusting extremism. Oddly never gets a mention from the noisy brigade on here. I don’t know why.

Do you have a link ? Hard to mention it if it's not known about, BBC news website has nothing that is easily visible. Not denying that it happened but you're blaming people (me for one?) for not mentioning it when they may not know.

Could you also name the "noisy brigade" so we know who it is you're directing this at.

Not blaming you, don’t know you. BBC run by elitist fake socialists obsessed with Trump. Get your political news there, and you
likely get the news you want.

Well, now you know and it’s all quiet. Perhaps we should wait for football poster bill to start a new thread. Josh may throw in a few wikilinks to reinforce evidence of Communist Party oppression. It’s fairly popular.. been going on for decades.

As someone else says they were not abducted but detained by security forces and while I may not agree with the situation it is
their country & their security forces.

I get some news from the BBC news website first thing in the morning not because it's where I get all my information but because the headlines & front page give me some idea of what is going on in the world. What I then choose to look at closer is up to me.

You are right about one thing though, you don't know me.

And you were wrong, I didn’t blame you.

Same for the USA, their country, their politics. Someone else talks about democracy, yet clearly refuses to accept the result of the 2016 election. No difference between bill and Trump there..

Wrong about what? I didn't say you blamed me but you did accuse me of being quiet after my favourite chimp had posted a link.

Not sure what you're trying to say about the US or who you're talking about talking about democracy and refusing to accept the results or who bill is, you seem very confused & you're certainly confusing me.

I understand your difficulty. Perhaps keep to one thread at a time if it’s all too much..

They descend further into fascism, trying to stop the democratic process through the use of violence. All with the blessing of their glorious leader. Pipe bombs being used and guns being fired! The right in The States need to accept democracy, stop whinging, admit they lost and move on. Just imagine if this was a BLM march !

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9118653/Thousands-Trump-supporters-gather-White-House-Save-America-rally.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

Trump supporters stormed barricades surrounding US Capitol building in Washington, DC
Capitol Hill police used pepper spray to keep the Trump supporters from nearing the entrance to the building
Trump backers also climbed on top of TV towers near the inauguration stage in front of Capitol building
Incident took place as members of Congress started joint session to ratify President-elect Joe Biden's victory
Library of Congress building and the Cannon House Office Building were evacuated by Capitol Police
House Rep. Elaine Luria of Virginia said she had to evacuate because of a reported pipe bomb
Congressional staffers working in Cannon House Office Building 'used underground tunnels to evacuate'
Capitol Police later said that there was no threat and gave the 'all clear' at the Cannon House Office Building
Dramatic incidents come just after President Trump spoke at a 'Save America' rally near the White House
At least 10 people were arrested by local and federal law enforcement officers in Washington, DC
Some were detained on possession of firearms while others were arrested for assaulting a police officer
Trump supporters started lining up before dawn near White House in Washington, DC, on Wednesday
Crowds are there for the 'Save America' rally protesting planned certification of Joe Biden's election victory

Just wondering if you done a post with all the violence in America in June ? I guess not

my favourite chimp had posted a link.

You're making me blush

They descend further into fascism, trying to stop the democratic process through the use of violence. All with the blessing of their glorious leader. Pipe bombs being used and guns being fired! The right in The States need to accept democracy, stop whinging, admit they lost and move on. Just imagine if this was a BLM march !

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9118653/Thousands-Trump-supporters-gather-White-House-Save-America-rally.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

Trump supporters stormed barricades surrounding US Capitol building in Washington, DC
Capitol Hill police used pepper spray to keep the Trump supporters from nearing the entrance to the building
Trump backers also climbed on top of TV towers near the inauguration stage in front of Capitol building
Incident took place as members of Congress started joint session to ratify President-elect Joe Biden's victory
Library of Congress building and the Cannon House Office Building were evacuated by Capitol Police
House Rep. Elaine Luria of Virginia said she had to evacuate because of a reported pipe bomb
Congressional staffers working in Cannon House Office Building 'used underground tunnels to evacuate'
Capitol Police later said that there was no threat and gave the 'all clear' at the Cannon House Office Building
Dramatic incidents come just after President Trump spoke at a 'Save America' rally near the White House
At least 10 people were arrested by local and federal law enforcement officers in Washington, DC
Some were detained on possession of firearms while others were arrested for assaulting a police officer
Trump supporters started lining up before dawn near White House in Washington, DC, on Wednesday
Crowds are there for the 'Save America' rally protesting planned certification of Joe Biden's election victory

Just wondering if you done a post with all the violence in America in June ? I guess not

Is it compulsory?
Donald Trump has performed a dramatic U-turn by condemning the violent mob of his own supporters who stormed the US Capitol Building, provoking anger from backers who “risked their lives” for him in DC.
What a bunch of suckers and there's a murderer amongst
them The policeman was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher. I hope they put they put his killer down

My East German neighbour said something interesting once.. ‘Communists only have 4 enemies.. Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter. Old habits died hard tho, and she still had a 70’s black smoke belching diesel generator in the garden to power the toaster..

Beyond the headline which whilst isn't clickbait is more sensationalized than the actual discussion that follows this is an Interesting watch and balanced and considered discussion on this topic.

Tim Pool is possibly one of the most balanced people talking about politics in the US. Extremists on both sides hate him for it and call him a milk-toast fence sitter but I think the world needs more people like him. His podcast has a good range of people from both sides of the aisle.

I think terms like Nazi and Facists are thrown about too easily and actually diminishes the shit real Facists and Nazis did.

I agree. That's a really good point. There were plenty of nazis there but it was a big crowd and they were a tiny minority. It's like calling all brexit supporters racist or all Labor/democrats woke Marxists.

The violence from Trumps mob and the BLM were both unacceptable. Storming the government building and making democracy look like a joke to China and Russia on the other hand was totally unacceptable and a step beyond normal rioting of fringe groups.

I can't wait until politics goes back to the centre and the far right and far left can both go f**k themselves and the rest of us can become civil to each other first.

People are all Welsh first rather than left or right wing and we should be able to disagree without having massive fallouts over political issues.

I think terms like Nazi and Facists are thrown about too easily and actually diminishes the shit real Facists and Nazis did.

I agree. That's a really good point. There were plenty of nazis there but it was a big crowd and they were a tiny minority. It's like calling all brexit supporters racist or all Labor/democrats woke Marxists.

The violence from Trumps mob and the BLM were both unacceptable. Storming the government building and making democracy look like a joke to China and Russia on the other hand was totally unacceptable and a step beyond normal rioting of fringe groups.

I can't wait until politics goes back to the centre and the far right and far left can both go f**k themselves and the rest of us can become civil to each other first.

People are all Welsh first rather than left or right wing and we should be able to disagree without having massive fallouts over political issues.

Even with non Welsh Sweaty Socks?