The Vaccine has landed- a giant step for mankind !!!

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

Greece got vested interest in passports as they need tourists badly... GPs rubbing hands in glee as obviously they will be charging for issuing letters just to say had vaccine? Personally wont be going anywhere even though by April will have had 2nd dose! There will be done sort restrictions until late in the year at least especially abroad as not advanced as we are in vaccination programme.

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

I sympathise but be surprised if anyone can get into another country without vaccination if country says need it as come under infectious diseases... but to restrict you in this country is a different matter and it wont happen...

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

jumping the gun a bit.. 4 million have had positive tests.{ which in theory gives them imunity }..12 mill vacintated { mostly those at higher risk , who are the ones this virus is killing } thats nearly 25 % of the population yet figures are still very high... who knows how effective these vaccinations might or might not be..about as effective as a chocolate tea pot so far...

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

I sympathise but be surprised if anyone can get into another country without vaccination if country says need it as come under infectious diseases... but to restrict you in this country is a different matter and it wont happen...

Aids is an infectious disease too,and many many more,so does everone now need tests for these before being allowed to travel??

Not having a pop allan,but this will be fought against in the courts id imagine,as technically people would be denied trave because they cannot safely take a vaccine for one! Im sure there are some law firms licking their lips,waiting to get their teeth into cases,as it would be clear discrimination,and where there is blame,as the saying goes!.and there are a few hundred thousand at least in this country,that will be denied the right to travel freely,through no fault of their own.
I mean not everone can take vaccines to go on holiday,due to possible dangers,and there are millions that travel each year,without having any vaccines before leaving,maybe that will change too? Who knows whats going to happen? Not this government, thats for sure.

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

My friend had the vaccination last week, they asked her if she has allergies and she told them yes, the last allergic reaction she had was a few years ago, and her friend called 999 for her, she was admistered Epinephrine (adrenaline) and taken to hospital as as a precaution, but once checked over she was realeased the same day.
When I had my vaccine they kept us at the vaccine centre with full medical staff on hand, for 15 minutes just to make sure there was no reaction.

Over the years I have had many allergic reactions which did not require any treatment.
Obviously the desision to have the jab is up to the individual, myself I would be rather have the vaccine with the very possibility of a reaction, rather than having a chance of catching covid19. Even with all the vaccinations taking place there are still loads of people out there who are going to refuse the vaccine, not on allergy grounds, and if they catch Covid19 are going to pass it on to others, although we do not know if even having the vaccine that we cannot pass it on. That remains to be seen!

The naivety by some on this board astounds me. How some people can only focus on one thing and lose sight of the wider implications is truly astonishing.

I don't know whether this "vaccine" actually works or not. But to blindly try and bulldoze anybody who, FOR WHATEVER REASON, decides it isn't for them is in my eyes truly criminal.

Logic dictates, that if these vaccines actually work, anybody who takes the jab is safe and sound. So why would anybody, including country borders. worry about anyone who does not wish to take the vaccine. If the vaccine is so great and mighty, and somebody takes it, surely they have nothing to worry about.

Another point of view is that you have been lied to and you are lemmings going over the cliff. Make your own mind up.

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

I honestly don't know the answer to a very good question...

My thoughts are that a Vaccine Passport will have to be created, if we are to allow travellers in and out of the UK; but issues such as yours are ones that will need to be addressed and/or confirmed

My tongue-in-cheek response to Blue Lagoon was in response to a post where he showed a clear 'stuff you' attitude when laughing at those who likely couldn't travel this summer, if they hadn't yet had a vaccine

Of course, his plans will be scuppered if he has to pay for said confirmatory Vaccine Passport

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

I sympathise but be surprised if anyone can get into another country without vaccination if country says need it as come under infectious diseases... but to restrict you in this country is a different matter and it wont happen...

Aids is an infectious disease too,and many many more,so does everone now need tests for these before being allowed to travel??

Not having a pop allan,but this will be fought against in the courts id imagine,as technically people would be denied trave because they cannot safely take a vaccine for one! Im sure there are some law firms licking their lips,waiting to get their teeth into cases,as it would be clear discrimination,and where there is blame,as the saying goes!.and there are a few hundred thousand at least in this country,that will be denied the right to travel freely,through no fault of their own.
I mean not everone can take vaccines to go on holiday,due to possible dangers,and there are millions that travel each year,without having any vaccines before leaving,maybe that will change too? Who knows whats going to happen? Not this government, thats for sure.

Agree but the panic gvmnts have had over this wouldn't be surprised if it happens at 1st .....no doubt things will change but there are countries that wont allow you in if havent had relevant vaccinations against certain diseases so was basing my point on this. as for courts like said this country you wont be discriminated against but cannot say same regarding other countries because its upto them who enters country nothing our courts can do !
And aids is not a notifiable disease so dont need to tell anyone you've got it.

The naivety by some on this board astounds me. How some people can only focus on one thing and lose sight of the wider implications is truly astonishing.

I don't know whether this "vaccine" actually works or not. But to blindly try and bulldoze anybody who, FOR WHATEVER REASON, decides it isn't for them is in my eyes truly criminal.

Logic dictates, that if these vaccines actually work, anybody who takes the jab is safe and sound. So why would anybody, including country borders. worry about anyone who does not wish to take the vaccine. If the vaccine is so great and mighty, and somebody takes it, surely they have nothing to worry about.

Another point of view is that you have been lied to and you are lemmings going over the cliff. Make your own mind up.

I always enjoy your posts and understand a large part of that but not all...

Those who cannot (or choose not) to take the vaccine will still be in danger and that is/should be a concern to all, as it keeps the virus 'live' and people and people services (hospitals, etc.) will still be somewhat overly and unnecessarily burdened

Lemmings over a cliff...?

Why would you (or anyone else) say that when the evidence clearly shows the benefits of the vaccine on most of the population; and therein provides the security and comfort of knowing they are so many times more likely not to contract the virus?

Conspiracy theories abound but when you hear so many professional people with little or no political interests staying the value of said vaccine, who are you going to believe? The ReTrumplican QAnon groups or those who actually know the facts?

I had the virus back in November and it hit me for six in ways I'd never experience with a cold or flu. And, like others, I have also lost several friends and family members to the pandemic; three in the last week

With all my evidence in hand, I know where I'll be standing; and it won't be in the 'no thanks' queue

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

Many countries already require vaccines for certain diseases, Yellow Fever, Polio, Rabies, Malaria, etc.
There’s a 40 page WHO document which details what vaccination requirements certain countries ask for.
https://www.who.int/ith/2016-ith-county-list.pdf

Some countries don’t let you in with certain jobs or criminal records. Some countries also don’t allow you visas if you’ve previously been to “enemy states”. For example, if your passport has an Iranian or North Korean stamp you can’t enter America.
I had to travel to the Chinese embassy in London when I tried to get a visa, some of the questions I was asked was whether my previous occupations had been in the military or nuclear research, I was also asked had I been to Myanmar in the previous 3 years. Answer a certain way and it’s a big red DENIED on your visa application.

Europe and the Schengen area are very unique in how easy it is to travel, a lot of the rest of the world are much less easy. A country can deny you access for many things, vaccines being one of them. This has been the norm for years.

The naivety by some on this board astounds me. How some people can only focus on one thing and lose sight of the wider implications is truly astonishing.

I don't know whether this "vaccine" actually works or not. But to blindly try and bulldoze anybody who, FOR WHATEVER REASON, decides it isn't for them is in my eyes truly criminal.

Logic dictates, that if these vaccines actually work, anybody who takes the jab is safe and sound. So why would anybody, including country borders. worry about anyone who does not wish to take the vaccine. If the vaccine is so great and mighty, and somebody takes it, surely they have nothing to worry about.

Another point of view is that you have been lied to and you are lemmings going over the cliff. Make your own mind up.

I always enjoy your posts and understand a large part of that but not all...

Those who cannot (or choose not) to take the vaccine will still be in danger and that is/should be a concern to all, as it keeps the virus 'live' and people and people services (hospitals, etc.) will still be somewhat overly and unnecessarily burdened

Lemmings over a cliff...?

Why would you (or anyone else) say that when the evidence clearly shows the benefits of the vaccine on most of the population; and therein provides the security and comfort of knowing they are so many times more likely not to contract the virus?

Conspiracy theories abound but when you hear so many professional people with little or no political interests staying the value of said vaccine, who are you going to believe? The ReTrumplican QAnon groups or those who actually know the facts?

I had the virus back in November and it hit me for six in ways I'd never experience with a cold or flu. And, like others, I have also lost several friends and family members to the pandemic; three in the last week

With all my evidence in hand, I know where I'll be standing; and it won't be in the 'no thanks' queue

no conspiracy theories...
just the massive exaggerations and claims of facts that do not exist from lemmings.

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

Many countries already require vaccines for certain diseases, Yellow Fever, Polio, Rabies, Malaria, etc.
There’s a 40 page WHO document which details what vaccination requirements certain countries ask for.
https://www.who.int/ith/2016-ith-county-list.pdf

Some countries don’t let you in with certain jobs or criminal records. Some countries also don’t allow you visas if you’ve previously been to “enemy states”. For example, if your passport has an Iranian or North Korean stamp you can’t enter America.
I had to travel to the Chinese embassy in London when I tried to get a visa, some of the questions I was asked was whether my previous occupations had been in the military or nuclear research, I was also asked had I been to Myanmar in the previous 3 years. Answer a certain way and it’s a big red DENIED on your visa application.

Europe and the Schengen area are very unique in how easy it is to travel, a lot of the rest of the world are much less easy. A country can deny you access for many things, vaccines being one of them. This has been the norm for years.

Thanks, but not going through 40 pages!! I know and agree with what you say,but to date I have travelled to a few countries that must be quite unrestricted then? Not once have I been asked for vaccination records or anything,maybe just lucky to date!
Understandable with criminal records I guess, obviously depending on severity of crime.not an anti vaxxer,just in a very awkward place with vaccines,and will act on my gp's reccomendations of course,hopefully with so many new ones,one will be deemed safe enough,for myself,and anyone else,caught up in this.
As for those who dont want to take it,I guess thats their choice.
But unfortunately at present,some of us are not able to "safely" do so.

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

Many countries already require vaccines for certain diseases, Yellow Fever, Polio, Rabies, Malaria, etc.
There’s a 40 page WHO document which details what vaccination requirements certain countries ask for.
https://www.who.int/ith/2016-ith-county-list.pdf

Some countries don’t let you in with certain jobs or criminal records. Some countries also don’t allow you visas if you’ve previously been to “enemy states”. For example, if your passport has an Iranian or North Korean stamp you can’t enter America.
I had to travel to the Chinese embassy in London when I tried to get a visa, some of the questions I was asked was whether my previous occupations had been in the military or nuclear research, I was also asked had I been to Myanmar in the previous 3 years. Answer a certain way and it’s a big red DENIED on your visa application.

Europe and the Schengen area are very unique in how easy it is to travel, a lot of the rest of the world are much less easy. A country can deny you access for many things, vaccines being one of them. This has been the norm for years.

Thanks, but not going through 40 pages!! I know and agree with what you say,but to date I have travelled to a few countries that must be quite unrestricted then? Not once have I been asked for vaccination records or anything,maybe just lucky to date!
Understandable with criminal records I guess, obviously depending on severity of crime.not an anti vaxxer,just in a very awkward place with vaccines,and will act on my gp's reccomendations of course,hopefully with so many new ones,one will be deemed safe enough,for myself,and anyone else,caught up in this.
As for those who dont want to take it,I guess thats their choice.
But unfortunately at present,some of us are not able to "safely" do so.

there are still far more questions than answers and people as normal are A } jumping the gun...and B } exaggerating

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

This South African variation could put a spanner in the works, the vaccines are very good so far, but all seem slightly less successful against the South African strain, should we allow people to fly off to Greece and mix with people potentially with the South African strain?

I love my holidays as much as the next man but would prefer to miss out if if mean we close our borders and keep that strain out, while allowing us to lift our restrictions and at least we can get back to normality in the UK!

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

This South African variation could put a spanner in the works, the vaccines are very good so far, but all seem slightly less successful against the South African strain, should we allow people to fly off to Greece and mix with people potentially with the South African strain?

I love my holidays as much as the next man but would prefer to miss out if if mean we close our borders and keep that strain out, while allowing us to lift our restrictions and at least we can get back to normality in the UK!

Astra Zeneca are already working on the version 2 with better resistance to the new strains from Brazil and South Africa and Portugal, so maybe holidays are delayed until a full roll out?

The naivety by some on this board astounds me. How some people can only focus on one thing and lose sight of the wider implications is truly astonishing.

I don't know whether this "vaccine" actually works or not. But to blindly try and bulldoze anybody who, FOR WHATEVER REASON, decides it isn't for them is in my eyes truly criminal.

Logic dictates, that if these vaccines actually work, anybody who takes the jab is safe and sound. So why would anybody, including country borders. worry about anyone who does not wish to take the vaccine. If the vaccine is so great and mighty, and somebody takes it, surely they have nothing to worry about.

Another point of view is that you have been lied to and you are lemmings going over the cliff. Make your own mind up.

I always enjoy your posts and understand a large part of that but not all...

Those who cannot (or choose not) to take the vaccine will still be in danger and that is/should be a concern to all, as it keeps the virus 'live' and people and people services (hospitals, etc.) will still be somewhat overly and unnecessarily burdened

Lemmings over a cliff...?

Why would you (or anyone else) say that when the evidence clearly shows the benefits of the vaccine on most of the population; and therein provides the security and comfort of knowing they are so many times more likely not to contract the virus?

Conspiracy theories abound but when you hear so many professional people with little or no political interests staying the value of said vaccine, who are you going to believe? The ReTrumplican QAnon groups or those who actually know the facts?

I had the virus back in November and it hit me for six in ways I'd never experience with a cold or flu. And, like others, I have also lost several friends and family members to the pandemic; three in the last week

With all my evidence in hand, I know where I'll be standing; and it won't be in the 'no thanks' queue

Well said Chris, even if according to some sources it does not prevent people passing it on ( although this is still unknown) it does if you catch it prevents hospitalization, and a milder form of it and possible death. I now awit my second jab

The naivety by some on this board astounds me. How some people can only focus on one thing and lose sight of the wider implications is truly astonishing.

I don't know whether this "vaccine" actually works or not. But to blindly try and bulldoze anybody who, FOR WHATEVER REASON, decides it isn't for them is in my eyes truly criminal.

Logic dictates, that if these vaccines actually work, anybody who takes the jab is safe and sound. So why would anybody, including country borders. worry about anyone who does not wish to take the vaccine. If the vaccine is so great and mighty, and somebody takes it, surely they have nothing to worry about.

Another point of view is that you have been lied to and you are lemmings going over the cliff. Make your own mind up.

I always enjoy your posts and understand a large part of that but not all...

Those who cannot (or choose not) to take the vaccine will still be in danger and that is/should be a concern to all, as it keeps the virus 'live' and people and people services (hospitals, etc.) will still be somewhat overly and unnecessarily burdened

Lemmings over a cliff...?

Why would you (or anyone else) say that when the evidence clearly shows the benefits of the vaccine on most of the population; and therein provides the security and comfort of knowing they are so many times more likely not to contract the virus?

Conspiracy theories abound but when you hear so many professional people with little or no political interests staying the value of said vaccine, who are you going to believe? The ReTrumplican QAnon groups or those who actually know the facts?

I had the virus back in November and it hit me for six in ways I'd never experience with a cold or flu. And, like others, I have also lost several friends and family members to the pandemic; three in the last week

With all my evidence in hand, I know where I'll be standing; and it won't be in the 'no thanks' queue

Well said Chris, even if according to some sources it does not prevent people passing it on ( although this is still unknown) it does if you catch it prevents hospitalization, and a milder form of it and possible death. I now awit my second jab

Latest information from Astra Zeneca confirms it does also reduce transmission significantly, I think they say by two thirds, if true this is vitally important.

The naivety by some on this board astounds me. How some people can only focus on one thing and lose sight of the wider implications is truly astonishing.

I don't know whether this "vaccine" actually works or not. But to blindly try and bulldoze anybody who, FOR WHATEVER REASON, decides it isn't for them is in my eyes truly criminal.

Logic dictates, that if these vaccines actually work, anybody who takes the jab is safe and sound. So why would anybody, including country borders. worry about anyone who does not wish to take the vaccine. If the vaccine is so great and mighty, and somebody takes it, surely they have nothing to worry about.

Another point of view is that you have been lied to and you are lemmings going over the cliff. Make your own mind up.

I always enjoy your posts and understand a large part of that but not all...

Those who cannot (or choose not) to take the vaccine will still be in danger and that is/should be a concern to all, as it keeps the virus 'live' and people and people services (hospitals, etc.) will still be somewhat overly and unnecessarily burdened

Lemmings over a cliff...?

Why would you (or anyone else) say that when the evidence clearly shows the benefits of the vaccine on most of the population; and therein provides the security and comfort of knowing they are so many times more likely not to contract the virus?

Conspiracy theories abound but when you hear so many professional people with little or no political interests staying the value of said vaccine, who are you going to believe? The ReTrumplican QAnon groups or those who actually know the facts?

I had the virus back in November and it hit me for six in ways I'd never experience with a cold or flu. And, like others, I have also lost several friends and family members to the pandemic; three in the last week

With all my evidence in hand, I know where I'll be standing; and it won't be in the 'no thanks' queue

Well said Chris, even if according to some sources it does not prevent people passing it on ( although this is still unknown) it does if you catch it prevents hospitalization, and a milder form of it and possible death. I now awit my second jab

That would be a huge step forward...

The naivety by some on this board astounds me. How some people can only focus on one thing and lose sight of the wider implications is truly astonishing.

I don't know whether this "vaccine" actually works or not. But to blindly try and bulldoze anybody who, FOR WHATEVER REASON, decides it isn't for them is in my eyes truly criminal.

Logic dictates, that if these vaccines actually work, anybody who takes the jab is safe and sound. So why would anybody, including country borders. worry about anyone who does not wish to take the vaccine. If the vaccine is so great and mighty, and somebody takes it, surely they have nothing to worry about.

Another point of view is that you have been lied to and you are lemmings going over the cliff. Make your own mind up.

I always enjoy your posts and understand a large part of that but not all...

Those who cannot (or choose not) to take the vaccine will still be in danger and that is/should be a concern to all, as it keeps the virus 'live' and people and people services (hospitals, etc.) will still be somewhat overly and unnecessarily burdened

Lemmings over a cliff...?

Why would you (or anyone else) say that when the evidence clearly shows the benefits of the vaccine on most of the population; and therein provides the security and comfort of knowing they are so many times more likely not to contract the virus?

Conspiracy theories abound but when you hear so many professional people with little or no political interests staying the value of said vaccine, who are you going to believe? The ReTrumplican QAnon groups or those who actually know the facts?

I had the virus back in November and it hit me for six in ways I'd never experience with a cold or flu. And, like others, I have also lost several friends and family members to the pandemic; three in the last week

With all my evidence in hand, I know where I'll be standing; and it won't be in the 'no thanks' queue

Well said Chris, even if according to some sources it does not prevent people passing it on ( although this is still unknown) it does if you catch it prevents hospitalization, and a milder form of it and possible death. I now awit my second jab

That would be a huge step forward...

Firstly @ Chris........as soon an any person mentions "conspiracy theory" I know they are on a sticky wicket.

Just to be clear, most people don't actually put a "theory" forward.....they normally just state their opinion. When the rebuttal comes....and it certainly will if the opinion stated is not in line with MSM thinking, the cheap shot is labelling it as a "conspiracy theory".......along the lines of what Nixon portrayed when first confronted about Watergate. The rest is history.

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone who wants to insert foreign bodies into their natural immune system.....it's called free will. However, I do have a massive problem with the assumption that this vaccine will cure all, and by default, anybody who takes the jab is treated differently to those who don't.

Secondly @ Igovernor......I would love to see your undisputed facts on the statement you made, namely, and I quote...

"Well said Chris, even if according to some sources it does not prevent people passing it on ( although this is still unknown) it does if you catch it prevents hospitalization, and a milder form of it and possible death. I now awit my second jab"

If what you quote is true, the vaccine is not actually working as we can still catch and pass on the flu type virus. May I also add that there obviously, by your definition, cannot be any way of proving that the vaccine has had any effect at all.

Firstly @ Chris........as soon an any person mentions "conspiracy theory" I know they are on a sticky wicket.

Just to be clear, most people don't actually put a "theory" forward.....they normally just state their opinion. When the rebuttal comes....and it certainly will if the opinion stated is not in line with MSM thinking, the cheap shot is labelling it as a "conspiracy theory".......along the lines of what Nixon portrayed when first confronted about Watergate. The rest is history.

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone who wants to insert foreign bodies into their natural immune system.....it's called free will. However, I do have a massive problem with the assumption that this vaccine will cure all, and by default, anybody who takes the jab is treated differently to those who don't.

Secondly @ Igovernor......I would love to see your undisputed facts on the statement you made, namely, and I quote...

"Well said Chris, even if according to some sources it does not prevent people passing it on ( although this is still unknown) it does if you catch it prevents hospitalization, and a milder form of it and possible death. I now awit my second jab"

If what you quote is true, the vaccine is not actually working as we can still catch and pass on the flu type virus. May I also add that there obviously, by your definition, cannot be any way of proving that the vaccine has had any effect at all.

Respect your view and some great points (again) particularly on the conspiracy 'theories'

But I'll stick to what I personally believe to be true and go with the vaccines

Firstly @ Chris........as soon an any person mentions "conspiracy theory" I know they are on a sticky wicket.

Just to be clear, most people don't actually put a "theory" forward.....they normally just state their opinion. When the rebuttal comes....and it certainly will if the opinion stated is not in line with MSM thinking, the cheap shot is labelling it as a "conspiracy theory".......along the lines of what Nixon portrayed when first confronted about Watergate. The rest is history.

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone who wants to insert foreign bodies into their natural immune system.....it's called free will. However, I do have a massive problem with the assumption that this vaccine will cure all, and by default, anybody who takes the jab is treated differently to those who don't.

Secondly @ Igovernor......I would love to see your undisputed facts on the statement you made, namely, and I quote...

"Well said Chris, even if according to some sources it does not prevent people passing it on ( although this is still unknown) it does if you catch it prevents hospitalization, and a milder form of it and possible death. I now awit my second jab"

If what you quote is true, the vaccine is not actually working as we can still catch and pass on the flu type virus. May I also add that there obviously, by your definition, cannot be any way of proving that the vaccine has had any effect at all.

At this moment as I stated data has proved that if you do catch it it will be mild preventing deaths and hospitalization I thought there was not enough data today whether it prevents the passing on of the virus, but as Bluebina has said astra has stated that it does reduce the transmission by two thirds.
Your stance about not having the vacination along with many people in the UK, just means that the pandemic will last a lot longer that it should do and more people will die

I just hope 70% agree to take it else we might not get back to normal.

While not remaining in lockdown, I’m not sure those that refuse to take it should be allowed to certain events. Just my thought I can’t see it being policy.

This will be the next discussion, plenty of anti-vaxxers out there!

Governments could incentivise maybe only allow flights and entry to pubs and football games that type of thing to people who have antibodies or have had a vaccine?

Maybe Spain, Greece the US etc will ban brits without them maybe via passport or ID cards?

I think the take up will be good enough to protect the NHS, most old people are generally sensible and accept medical advice so will have the protection of the vaccine.

If it's 60% that may be enough, sure some of the 40% would get it, but they would hopefully be younger and at less risk anyway, if old people reject it so be it they take the chance, you can't make people have it.

It's taken a while but this Vaccination passport idea is now taking off, Greece saying they will welcome people with a vaccination certificate, the government are saying no at the moment, but surely this will change?

I think it will have to (change) in the interests of safety

Blue Lagoon has already packed his cases...

But what of those like myself,who have allergies,and have been advised it may not be safe for us to take the vaccine?? That would be discriminatory against us! Its not our fault,but what,not allowed to travel? That is unfair,and unjust.

Plus the 1st line inside our passports says " to be allowed unfetered and unhindered travel" through ports?? Going to be interesting to see how it goes,but I will not be accepting I cannot travel without a fight! I didnt ask for allergies!

Many countries already require vaccines for certain diseases, Yellow Fever, Polio, Rabies, Malaria, etc.
There’s a 40 page WHO document which details what vaccination requirements certain countries ask for.
https://www.who.int/ith/2016-ith-county-list.pdf

Some countries don’t let you in with certain jobs or criminal records. Some countries also don’t allow you visas if you’ve previously been to “enemy states”. For example, if your passport has an Iranian or North Korean stamp you can’t enter America.
I had to travel to the Chinese embassy in London when I tried to get a visa, some of the questions I was asked was whether my previous occupations had been in the military or nuclear research, I was also asked had I been to Myanmar in the previous 3 years. Answer a certain way and it’s a big red DENIED on your visa application.

Europe and the Schengen area are very unique in how easy it is to travel, a lot of the rest of the world are much less easy. A country can deny you access for many things, vaccines being one of them. This has been the norm for years.

Thanks, but not going through 40 pages!! I know and agree with what you say,but to date I have travelled to a few countries that must be quite unrestricted then? Not once have I been asked for vaccination records or anything,maybe just lucky to date!
Understandable with criminal records I guess, obviously depending on severity of crime.not an anti vaxxer,just in a very awkward place with vaccines,and will act on my gp's reccomendations of course,hopefully with so many new ones,one will be deemed safe enough,for myself,and anyone else,caught up in this.
As for those who dont want to take it,I guess thats their choice.
But unfortunately at present,some of us are not able to "safely" do so.

there are still far more questions than answers and people as normal are A } jumping the gun...and B } exaggerating

A little confused...

Who are jumping the gun, and who are exaggerating...?

At this moment as I stated data has proved that if you do catch it it will be mild preventing deaths and hospitalization I thought there was not enough data today whether it prevents the passing on of the virus, but as Bluebina has said astra has stated that it does reduce the transmission by two thirds.
Your stance about not having the vacination along with many people in the UK, just means that the pandemic will last a lot longer that it should do and more people will die

At this point I am seriously struggling to understand your stance on the issue in question.

I could shout all day about "my data", which I suspect would conflict with your data.....but quite frankly that would be futile.

What is up for discussion is in the last half of your last sentence. This is the bit that really confuses me.

My point is that anyone who wishes to take the vaccine should do, and good luck to them, I have no problem with that at all. So let us assume, and this is a big assumption I admit, that the vaccine works and is effevtive, and the effacacy levels quoted by big Pharma are true. The only people who will suffer thereafter are the ones who decided, for whatever reason, not to take the vaccine.

If that happens you can point the finger and say "I told you so". And yes, at that stage, assuming the vaccine is the miracle cure that you seem to believe, the people who decided not to take it are the only ones who will suffer. You obviously won't have to suffer so I struggle to see your argument.

At this moment as I stated data has proved that if you do catch it it will be mild preventing deaths and hospitalization I thought there was not enough data today whether it prevents the passing on of the virus, but as Bluebina has said astra has stated that it does reduce the transmission by two thirds.
Your stance about not having the vacination along with many people in the UK, just means that the pandemic will last a lot longer that it should do and more people will die

At this point I am seriously struggling to understand your stance on the issue in question.

I could shout all day about "my data", which I suspect would conflict with your data.....but quite frankly that would be futile.

What is up for discussion is in the last half of your last sentence. This is the bit that really confuses me.

My point is that anyone who wishes to take the vaccine should do, and good luck to them, I have no problem with that at all. So let us assume, and this is a big assumption I admit, that the vaccine works and is effevtive, and the effacacy levels quoted by big Pharma are true. The only people who will suffer thereafter are the ones who decided, for whatever reason, not to take the vaccine.

If that happens you can point the finger and say "I told you so". And yes, at that stage, assuming the vaccine is the miracle cure that you seem to believe, the people who decided not to take it are the only ones who will suffer. You obviously won't have to suffer so I struggle to see your argument.

Why is it a “big assumption” whether it works or not?
It’s been tested extensively with hundreds of thousands of test subjects of all races, ages, gender and health conditions. The various vaccines are the result of a collaborative effort from dozens of countries and tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of experts globally. Essentially unlimited money has been thrown at finding a vaccine and the R+D bill will be hundreds of billions of pounds worldwide. On top of all this there’s decades of data from previous coronaviruses to assist with today’s research.

The vaccine isn’t just a shot in the dark or a cocktail of assorted chemicals we’re just hoping will work.

At this moment as I stated data has proved that if you do catch it it will be mild preventing deaths and hospitalization I thought there was not enough data today whether it prevents the passing on of the virus, but as Bluebina has said astra has stated that it does reduce the transmission by two thirds.
Your stance about not having the vacination along with many people in the UK, just means that the pandemic will last a lot longer that it should do and more people will die

At this point I am seriously struggling to understand your stance on the issue in question.

I could shout all day about "my data", which I suspect would conflict with your data.....but quite frankly that would be futile.

What is up for discussion is in the last half of your last sentence. This is the bit that really confuses me.

My point is that anyone who wishes to take the vaccine should do, and good luck to them, I have no problem with that at all. So let us assume, and this is a big assumption I admit, that the vaccine works and is effevtive, and the effacacy levels quoted by big Pharma are true. The only people who will suffer thereafter are the ones who decided, for whatever reason, not to take the vaccine.

If that happens you can point the finger and say "I told you so". And yes, at that stage, assuming the vaccine is the miracle cure that you seem to believe, the people who decided not to take it are the only ones who will suffer. You obviously won't have to suffer so I struggle to see your argument.

Obviously it will be mostly people who have not had the vaccine that will suffer and die, but by not taking it and getting infected and passing it on to your unvaccinated families and friends the virus will remain and continue to mutate, eventually to one that will evade the vaccine and the lockdowns and measures will drag on longer than necessary.

Unvaccinated people will also transmit the virus to some vaccinated friends and family as the vaccines are not 100%. I think that is why the majority of people prepared to take the vaccine would prefer to have vaccine passports, so that if they took a flight they would know that everyone on the aircraft had taken precautions and was less likely to pass the virus on to them.

Getting a vaccine is everyone's choice, and I appreciate that some people can't get the vaccine for health reasons, but the more that do have it the quicker the restrictions can be fully lifted and we can all get back to living a full life.

At this moment as I stated data has proved that if you do catch it it will be mild preventing deaths and hospitalization I thought there was not enough data today whether it prevents the passing on of the virus, but as Bluebina has said astra has stated that it does reduce the transmission by two thirds.
Your stance about not having the vacination along with many people in the UK, just means that the pandemic will last a lot longer that it should do and more people will die

At this point I am seriously struggling to understand your stance on the issue in question.

I could shout all day about "my data", which I suspect would conflict with your data.....but quite frankly that would be futile.

What is up for discussion is in the last half of your last sentence. This is the bit that really confuses me.

My point is that anyone who wishes to take the vaccine should do, and good luck to them, I have no problem with that at all. So let us assume, and this is a big assumption I admit, that the vaccine works and is effevtive, and the effacacy levels quoted by big Pharma are true. The only people who will suffer thereafter are the ones who decided, for whatever reason, not to take the vaccine.

If that happens you can point the finger and say "I told you so". And yes, at that stage, assuming the vaccine is the miracle cure that you seem to believe, the people who decided not to take it are the only ones who will suffer. You obviously won't have to suffer so I struggle to see your argument.

Obviously it will be mostly people who have not had the vaccine that will suffer and die, but by not taking it and getting infected and passing it on to your unvaccinated families and friends the virus will remain and continue to mutate, eventually to one that will evade the vaccine and the lockdowns and measures will drag on longer than necessary.

Unvaccinated people will also transmit the virus to some vaccinated friends and family as the vaccines are not 100%. I think that is why the majority of people prepared to take the vaccine would prefer to have vaccine passports, so that if they took a flight they would know that everyone on the aircraft had taken precautions and was less likely to pass the virus on to them.

Getting a vaccine is everyone's choice, and I appreciate that some people can't get the vaccine for health reasons, but the more that do have it the quicker the restrictions can be fully lifted and we can all get back to living a full life.

As I've said previously it's not up to us anyway, if a government, country, airline or pub chain want to impose measures they can do so, it's up to them.