Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:55 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:What about socialism? They both have similar means and goals etc so why don't we use them interchangeably? (Even the socialistic bits that this government have)
Josh wrote: Like what happened abroad under Churchill then.
Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:57 pm
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:03 pm
spikeferndale wrote:Some of you still don't get it?
If Racism wasn't so rife in our society, organisations such as BLM wouldn't exist.
Open your eyes, " We are a Racist society" and it needs to change.
To say that all lives matter, is stating the obvious and is just trying to deny that we have a real problem, that needs addressing.
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:19 pm
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:51 pm
Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:01 pm
davejohns74 wrote:I will walk out and never return if my fellow city fan were to boo black players standing up for their rights to live equally.
Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:03 pm
rumpo kid wrote:If racism didn’t exist, BLM still would. Too many are on that particular gravy train. If they do get booed I wonder if they’ll walk back down the tunnel. Or would the respect the freedom..
Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:12 pm
BlueDredd wrote:If you’ve voted yes you need to grow up.
Booing anyone for something that they want to do themselves is pathetic. If you can’t support the side without booing them because of your small mindedness, stay the f*ck home and watch it on the telly.
Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:50 am
Nuclearblue wrote:spikeferndale wrote:Some of you still don't get it?
If Racism wasn't so rife in our society, organisations such as BLM wouldn't exist.
Open your eyes, " We are a Racist society" and it needs to change.
To say that all lives matter, is stating the obvious and is just trying to deny that we have a real problem, that needs addressing.
Sorry you don’t get it. BLM and Antifa are sponsored by the open foundation led by George Soros. They are there to cause racism to agitate and cause divide. If you can’t see that racism is caused by the elites to create divide between us. These groups are also Marxist / Communists. Can't you see that all this BS with BLM and taking the knee to the riots the looting is to inflame racism ? it’s just the plain stupid and gullible that are giving these elites what they want.![]()
Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:46 am
welshrarebit wrote:I wouldn’t boo. But I wouldn’t reciprocate. I support the concept that Black Lives Matter. Of course they do. I’m a human being and value all life. Its offensive someone would value another life less based on the colour of the persons skin.
I can’t support the formal organisation of BLM though. I’m of the view , based on their founders admissions, that they are a Marxist organisation that is trying to play down that side of their aims. I’m no Marxist I’m a libertarian.
Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:45 pm
skidemin wrote:welshrarebit wrote:I wouldn’t boo. But I wouldn’t reciprocate. I support the concept that Black Lives Matter. Of course they do. I’m a human being and value all life. Its offensive someone would value another life less based on the colour of the persons skin.
I can’t support the formal organisation of BLM though. I’m of the view , based on their founders admissions, that they are a Marxist organisation that is trying to play down that side of their aims. I’m no Marxist I’m a libertarian.
i think thats the view of a lot people..and history really should be teaching us to be a tad more sceptical especially when its been in the MSM about this lot having far reaching agendas, yet they still kneel..??????????
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:35 am
Nuclearblue wrote:BlueDredd wrote:If you’ve voted yes you need to grow up.
Booing anyone for something that they want to do themselves is pathetic. If you can’t support the side without booing them because of your small mindedness, stay the f*ck home and watch it on the telly.
So if they come out doing a Nazi salute you would not boo but support the team ? Or maybe if they come out wearing the robes of the KKK you would not boo either ?
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:41 am
robjohn wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:spikeferndale wrote:Some of you still don't get it?
If Racism wasn't so rife in our society, organisations such as BLM wouldn't exist.
Open your eyes, " We are a Racist society" and it needs to change.
To say that all lives matter, is stating the obvious and is just trying to deny that we have a real problem, that needs addressing.
Sorry you don’t get it. BLM and Antifa are sponsored by the open foundation led by George Soros. They are there to cause racism to agitate and cause divide. If you can’t see that racism is caused by the elites to create divide between us. These groups are also Marxist / Communists. Can't you see that all this BS with BLM and taking the knee to the riots the looting is to inflame racism ? it’s just the plain stupid and gullible that are giving these elites what they want.![]()
Absolutely spot on its never the grassroots up this is plain and simple divide and rule the working class and they are using their agents in the scum media to achieve it.
wake up people they hate all of us black white or inbetween.
they are are common enemy
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:02 am
BlueDredd wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:BlueDredd wrote:If you’ve voted yes you need to grow up.
Booing anyone for something that they want to do themselves is pathetic. If you can’t support the side without booing them because of your small mindedness, stay the f*ck home and watch it on the telly.
So if they come out doing a Nazi salute you would not boo but support the team ? Or maybe if they come out wearing the robes of the KKK you would not boo either ?
Some of the biggest tripe I’ve ever read. How could you even compare our players taking the knee to fight for equality?
Pal you are so past the point I’m actually worried for you. But I’m glad that nearly all of football, and the majority of supporters stand together and see “taking the knee” for what it actually is. All I here from you is you don’t want anything to do with supporting equality, so go f*ck yourself pal. Wouldn’t be surprised if you actually threw up a Nazi salute at the home games you uneducated moron.
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:12 am
Jock wrote:BlueDredd wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:BlueDredd wrote:If you’ve voted yes you need to grow up.
Booing anyone for something that they want to do themselves is pathetic. If you can’t support the side without booing them because of your small mindedness, stay the f*ck home and watch it on the telly.
So if they come out doing a Nazi salute you would not boo but support the team ? Or maybe if they come out wearing the robes of the KKK you would not boo either ?
Some of the biggest tripe I’ve ever read. How could you even compare our players taking the knee to fight for equality?
Pal you are so past the point I’m actually worried for you. But I’m glad that nearly all of football, and the majority of supporters stand together and see “taking the knee” for what it actually is. All I here from you is you don’t want anything to do with supporting equality, so go f*ck yourself pal. Wouldn’t be surprised if you actually threw up a Nazi salute at the home games you uneducated moron.
So in a country where working class white boys are bottom of the educational, social and financial pile we have to support equality for black multi millionaire footballers. What equality do you think black people aren’t getting? It’s been mentioned previously that Kick it Out got massive support from fans, it is a genuine anti racism organisation. BLM are an extreme Leftwing political movement, self confessed Marxists whose aims include taking parental responsibility from parents and the collective raising everyone’s children . You want to support that fekkwittery batter on, I won’t and if bandwagon jumping idiots think that makes me racist I don’t really care. Their opinion is worthless.
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:58 am
BlueDredd wrote:Jock wrote:BlueDredd wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:BlueDredd wrote:If you’ve voted yes you need to grow up.
Booing anyone for something that they want to do themselves is pathetic. If you can’t support the side without booing them because of your small mindedness, stay the f*ck home and watch it on the telly.
So if they come out doing a Nazi salute you would not boo but support the team ? Or maybe if they come out wearing the robes of the KKK you would not boo either ?
Some of the biggest tripe I’ve ever read. How could you even compare our players taking the knee to fight for equality?
Pal you are so past the point I’m actually worried for you. But I’m glad that nearly all of football, and the majority of supporters stand together and see “taking the knee” for what it actually is. All I here from you is you don’t want anything to do with supporting equality, so go f*ck yourself pal. Wouldn’t be surprised if you actually threw up a Nazi salute at the home games you uneducated moron.
So in a country where working class white boys are bottom of the educational, social and financial pile we have to support equality for black multi millionaire footballers. What equality do you think black people aren’t getting? It’s been mentioned previously that Kick it Out got massive support from fans, it is a genuine anti racism organisation. BLM are an extreme Leftwing political movement, self confessed Marxists whose aims include taking parental responsibility from parents and the collective raising everyone’s children . You want to support that fekkwittery batter on, I won’t and if bandwagon jumping idiots think that makes me racist I don’t really care. Their opinion is worthless.
What the f*ck are you smoking?! Are working class white boys at the bottom of all of those piles?! Being a working class white male I never in my life have had to face any sort of racist abuse. But of the dozens of black or ethnic friends or acquaintances that I have, all have been subject to racist abuse multiple times in their lives... all by "bottom of the pile" working class white boys. Let me tell you something pal, you are bottom of the pile. Other people's opinion's to you might be worthless.. But that just show's how worthless of an individual you are. Muppet.
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:00 am
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:01 am
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:50 am
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Race related hate crimes recorded by the police:
15/16- 45,440
16/17- 58,294
17/18- 64,829
18/19- 72,041
19/20- 76,070
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:59 am
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Race related hate crimes recorded by the police:
15/16- 45,440
16/17- 58,294
17/18- 64,829
18/19- 72,041
19/20- 76,070
Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:05 am
Robbiebluebird wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Race related hate crimes recorded by the police:
15/16- 45,440
16/17- 58,294
17/18- 64,829
18/19- 72,041
19/20- 76,070
A blank hate crime statistics didn't tell you much, and the way it's gathered is riddled with flaws.
1. Who's commiting the crime on to what group?
2. There dosnt have to be any evidence of a crime to go down as a statistic.
3. Even if there is evidence of a crime, no proof that it was motivated by hate is needed to go down as a statistic.
4. Non-crimes can also be added.
5. No victim has to be identified as a hate crime can be reported by "trusted members of the community"
6 is the definition of race related hated crime broader or narrower than previous year(s)
This is from information I gathered from a police document you can find online.
Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:18 am
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Robbiebluebird wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Race related hate crimes recorded by the police:
15/16- 45,440
16/17- 58,294
17/18- 64,829
18/19- 72,041
19/20- 76,070
A blank hate crime statistics didn't tell you much, and the way it's gathered is riddled with flaws.
1. Who's commiting the crime on to what group?
2. There dosnt have to be any evidence of a crime to go down as a statistic.
3. Even if there is evidence of a crime, no proof that it was motivated by hate is needed to go down as a statistic.
4. Non-crimes can also be added.
5. No victim has to be identified as a hate crime can be reported by "trusted members of the community"
6 is the definition of race related hated crime broader or narrower than previous year(s)
This is from information I gathered from a police document you can find online.
Well can you provide it for us all to look at please?
Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:30 am
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Robbiebluebird wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Race related hate crimes recorded by the police:
15/16- 45,440
16/17- 58,294
17/18- 64,829
18/19- 72,041
19/20- 76,070
A blank hate crime statistics didn't tell you much, and the way it's gathered is riddled with flaws.
1. Who's commiting the crime on to what group?
2. There dosnt have to be any evidence of a crime to go down as a statistic.
3. Even if there is evidence of a crime, no proof that it was motivated by hate is needed to go down as a statistic.
4. Non-crimes can also be added.
5. No victim has to be identified as a hate crime can be reported by "trusted members of the community"
6 is the definition of race related hated crime broader or narrower than previous year(s)
This is from information I gathered from a police document you can find online.
Well can you provide it for us all to look at please?
Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:46 am
Robbiebluebird wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Robbiebluebird wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Race related hate crimes recorded by the police:
15/16- 45,440
16/17- 58,294
17/18- 64,829
18/19- 72,041
19/20- 76,070
A blank hate crime statistics didn't tell you much, and the way it's gathered is riddled with flaws.
1. Who's commiting the crime on to what group?
2. There dosnt have to be any evidence of a crime to go down as a statistic.
3. Even if there is evidence of a crime, no proof that it was motivated by hate is needed to go down as a statistic.
4. Non-crimes can also be added.
5. No victim has to be identified as a hate crime can be reported by "trusted members of the community"
6 is the definition of race related hated crime broader or narrower than previous year(s)
This is from information I gathered from a police document you can find online.
Well can you provide it for us all to look at please?
Yeah of course. I did some research into back in 2016/17, so the bulk of the evidence I believe is in this document.
Hate Crime Operation Guidance: https://www.report-it.org.uk/files/hate ... idance.pdf
Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:08 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Robbiebluebird wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Robbiebluebird wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Race related hate crimes recorded by the police:
15/16- 45,440
16/17- 58,294
17/18- 64,829
18/19- 72,041
19/20- 76,070
A blank hate crime statistics didn't tell you much, and the way it's gathered is riddled with flaws.
1. Who's commiting the crime on to what group?
2. There dosnt have to be any evidence of a crime to go down as a statistic.
3. Even if there is evidence of a crime, no proof that it was motivated by hate is needed to go down as a statistic.
4. Non-crimes can also be added.
5. No victim has to be identified as a hate crime can be reported by "trusted members of the community"
6 is the definition of race related hated crime broader or narrower than previous year(s)
This is from information I gathered from a police document you can find online.
Well can you provide it for us all to look at please?
Yeah of course. I did some research into back in 2016/17, so the bulk of the evidence I believe is in this document.
Hate Crime Operation Guidance: https://www.report-it.org.uk/files/hate ... idance.pdf
Thank you,
I did notice on page 57 that it said that there were over 200,000 unreported hate crimes.
That does seem to mean that instead of my figures being wrong due to whatever flaws in collecting they are actually wrong due to there being 4x as many.
Just to clarify, I'm not commenting on the figures increasing I posted them because of the comments saying the UK isn't racist and that it's the least racist place ever.
Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:18 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Race related hate crimes recorded by the police:
15/16- 45,440
16/17- 58,294
17/18- 64,829
18/19- 72,041
19/20- 76,070
Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:24 pm
CCFCJosh75 wrote:Robbiebluebird wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Robbiebluebird wrote:CCFCJosh75 wrote:Race related hate crimes recorded by the police:
15/16- 45,440
16/17- 58,294
17/18- 64,829
18/19- 72,041
19/20- 76,070
A blank hate crime statistics didn't tell you much, and the way it's gathered is riddled with flaws.
1. Who's commiting the crime on to what group?
2. There dosnt have to be any evidence of a crime to go down as a statistic.
3. Even if there is evidence of a crime, no proof that it was motivated by hate is needed to go down as a statistic.
4. Non-crimes can also be added.
5. No victim has to be identified as a hate crime can be reported by "trusted members of the community"
6 is the definition of race related hated crime broader or narrower than previous year(s)
This is from information I gathered from a police document you can find online.
Well can you provide it for us all to look at please?
Yeah of course. I did some research into back in 2016/17, so the bulk of the evidence I believe is in this document.
Hate Crime Operation Guidance: https://www.report-it.org.uk/files/hate ... idance.pdf
Thank you,
I did notice on page 57 that it said that there were over 200,000 unreported hate crimes.
That does seem to mean that instead of my figures being wrong due to whatever flaws in collecting they are actually wrong due to there being 4x as many.
Just to clarify, I'm not commenting on the figures increasing I posted them because of the comments saying the UK isn't racist and that it's the least racist place ever.
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:19 pm
BlueDredd wrote:Jock wrote:BlueDredd wrote:Nuclearblue wrote:BlueDredd wrote:If you’ve voted yes you need to grow up.
Booing anyone for something that they want to do themselves is pathetic. If you can’t support the side without booing them because of your small mindedness, stay the f*ck home and watch it on the telly.
So if they come out doing a Nazi salute you would not boo but support the team ? Or maybe if they come out wearing the robes of the KKK you would not boo either ?
Some of the biggest tripe I’ve ever read. How could you even compare our players taking the knee to fight for equality?
Pal you are so past the point I’m actually worried for you. But I’m glad that nearly all of football, and the majority of supporters stand together and see “taking the knee” for what it actually is. All I here from you is you don’t want anything to do with supporting equality, so go f*ck yourself pal. Wouldn’t be surprised if you actually threw up a Nazi salute at the home games you uneducated moron.
So in a country where working class white boys are bottom of the educational, social and financial pile we have to support equality for black multi millionaire footballers. What equality do you think black people aren’t getting? It’s been mentioned previously that Kick it Out got massive support from fans, it is a genuine anti racism organisation. BLM are an extreme Leftwing political movement, self confessed Marxists whose aims include taking parental responsibility from parents and the collective raising everyone’s children . You want to support that fekkwittery batter on, I won’t and if bandwagon jumping idiots think that makes me racist I don’t really care. Their opinion is worthless.
What the f*ck are you smoking?! Are working class white boys at the bottom of all of those piles?! Being a working class white male I never in my life have had to face any sort of racist abuse. But of the dozens of black or ethnic friends or acquaintances that I have, all have been subject to racist abuse multiple times in their lives... all by "bottom of the pile" working class white boys. Let me tell you something pal, you are bottom of the pile. Other people's opinion's to you might be worthless.. But that just show's how worthless of an individual you are. Muppet.
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:34 pm
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:47 pm