‘ Jacks ‘

Why did we let Ajayi leave and keep Connelly, looked class and scores goals?

Because we have been terrible at actually bringing through the players from our under 23s for ages now and instead let them go on frees and end up replacing them with inferior players. Ajayi, Oshilaja and Harris are the most recent examples of this but their are more as you go back down the past 10 years. Hopefully Ciaron Brown actually gets a chance for us soon or he will end up being the next one that we let go only to see him flourish elsewhere.

Name them? Name those that have flourished.

Ajayi was from Arsenal. Harris Wycombe.

Name actual Cardiff players from Cardiff’s academy who have left and flourished elsewhere as that is normally the point made not the under 23s. Oshilaja is hardly flourishing.

Well I’m reliably informed that if PNE get promoted this season then Andrew Hughes could become the 1st player to play in Conference south,The National league,League 2 League 1,The championship and then the premier league,would that be considered as flourishing?

That’s one player mate.

Wonder how many of their youngsters actually started at swansea and not imported from other clubs? Yes had success no doubt but past couple of seasons they've bought in youngsters and put them in under 23 team then onto team to be sold on .. but it's a better system than ours at present thats for sure

This season?

Connor Roberts
Joe Rodon
Ben Cabango
Jack Evans

Probably £40m worth of players in that 4. Add another £10m when Cabango gets more established, he’s fantastic and possibly has more potential than them all.

But of course we have had a steady stream of youth products for a while now.

at the end of the day ,the more money you get from academy players, the more is squandered...surely the idea was to help keep you in the prem ?

Eh?

We stayed there for 7 consecutive years, top 10 finishes (including an 8th), a major cup win and progression to European knockout stages.

This was all helped by the sale of the likes of Joe Allen and Ben Davies.

The above is not something most clubs will achieve in their lifetimes. I think we did rather well, squandered is not really something you can attribute to what was the greatest period in the clubs history which has now set us up for generations with the infrastructure.

I don’t mind talking football, but when you get silly then it just drags threads down in circular nonsensical discussions. Have a bit of sense.

Why did we let Ajayi leave and keep Connelly, looked class and scores goals?

Because we have been terrible at actually bringing through the players from our under 23s for ages now and instead let them go on frees and end up replacing them with inferior players. Ajayi, Oshilaja and Harris are the most recent examples of this but their are more as you go back down the past 10 years. Hopefully Ciaron Brown actually gets a chance for us soon or he will end up being the next one that we let go only to see him flourish elsewhere.

Name them? Name those that have flourished.

Ajayi was from Arsenal. Harris Wycombe.

Name actual Cardiff players from Cardiff’s academy who have left and flourished elsewhere as that is normally the point made not the under 23s. Oshilaja is hardly flourishing.

Well I’m reliably informed that if PNE get promoted this season then Andrew Hughes could become the 1st player to play in Conference south,The National league,League 2 League 1,The championship and then the premier league,would that be considered as flourishing?

That’s one player mate.

Wonder how many of their youngsters actually started at swansea and not imported from other clubs? Yes had success no doubt but past couple of seasons they've bought in youngsters and put them in under 23 team then onto team to be sold on .. but it's a better system than ours at present thats for sure

This season?

Connor Roberts
Joe Rodon
Ben Cabango
Jack Evans

Probably £40m worth of players in that 4. Add another £10m when Cabango gets more established, he’s fantastic and possibly has more potential than them all.

But of course we have had a steady stream of youth products for a while now.

So plenty of money for the yanks to bank next season when they sell couple of them as normal..

It’s illegal, so no.

Ps cabango was picked up by newports academy from a local Cardiff team , stayed with them for 2yrs before signing for Swansea

What’s your point? He joined Swansea at 15 years old. Most players play for other teams prior to being picked up by clubs as children... otherwise how on earth do they know they are any good.

Our academy has a scouting system all through Wales, hence why we spotted Cabango when he was a child and brought him in to our academy for development.

Surely you are talking about the likes of McBurnie when you say we bought from other clubs to put into U-23’s. Not Cabango who played for us from U-16’s and progressed to captaining our U-19’s before moving to the U-23’s development.

Don’t let that green monster creep in Al.

Why did we let Ajayi leave and keep Connelly, looked class and scores goals?

Because we have been terrible at actually bringing through the players from our under 23s for ages now and instead let them go on frees and end up replacing them with inferior players. Ajayi, Oshilaja and Harris are the most recent examples of this but their are more as you go back down the past 10 years. Hopefully Ciaron Brown actually gets a chance for us soon or he will end up being the next one that we let go only to see him flourish elsewhere.

Name them? Name those that have flourished.

Ajayi was from Arsenal. Harris Wycombe.

Name actual Cardiff players from Cardiff’s academy who have left and flourished elsewhere as that is normally the point made not the under 23s. Oshilaja is hardly flourishing.

Well I’m reliably informed that if PNE get promoted this season then Andrew Hughes could become the 1st player to play in Conference south,The National league,League 2 League 1,The championship and then the premier league,would that be considered as flourishing?

That’s one player mate.

Wonder how many of their youngsters actually started at swansea and not imported from other clubs? Yes had success no doubt but past couple of seasons they've bought in youngsters and put them in under 23 team then onto team to be sold on .. but it's a better system than ours at present thats for sure

This season?

Connor Roberts
Joe Rodon
Ben Cabango
Jack Evans

Probably £40m worth of players in that 4. Add another £10m when Cabango gets more established, he’s fantastic and possibly has more potential than them all.

But of course we have had a steady stream of youth products for a while now.

So plenty of money for the yanks to bank next season when they sell couple of them as normal..

It’s illegal, so no.

illegal... what law is this that you can not profit from owning a football club..

Why did we let Ajayi leave and keep Connelly, looked class and scores goals?

Because we have been terrible at actually bringing through the players from our under 23s for ages now and instead let them go on frees and end up replacing them with inferior players. Ajayi, Oshilaja and Harris are the most recent examples of this but their are more as you go back down the past 10 years. Hopefully Ciaron Brown actually gets a chance for us soon or he will end up being the next one that we let go only to see him flourish elsewhere.

Name them? Name those that have flourished.

Ajayi was from Arsenal. Harris Wycombe.

Name actual Cardiff players from Cardiff’s academy who have left and flourished elsewhere as that is normally the point made not the under 23s. Oshilaja is hardly flourishing.

Well I’m reliably informed that if PNE get promoted this season then Andrew Hughes could become the 1st player to play in Conference south,The National league,League 2 League 1,The championship and then the premier league,would that be considered as flourishing?

That’s one player mate.

Wonder how many of their youngsters actually started at swansea and not imported from other clubs? Yes had success no doubt but past couple of seasons they've bought in youngsters and put them in under 23 team then onto team to be sold on .. but it's a better system than ours at present thats for sure

This season?

Connor Roberts
Joe Rodon
Ben Cabango
Jack Evans

Probably £40m worth of players in that 4. Add another £10m when Cabango gets more established, he’s fantastic and possibly has more potential than them all.

But of course we have had a steady stream of youth products for a while now.

So plenty of money for the yanks to bank next season when they sell couple of them as normal..

It’s illegal, so no.

illegal... what law is this that you can not profit from owning a football club..

If no where as all the money gone from premier league and sales of players? Certainly not on new ones well not pricey ones.. ... tan is taking out money to pay what we owe him strange yanks cannot do same according to mr know all...

Al fyhad made 250m from fulham by time he sold it

If no where as all the money gone from premier league and sales of players? Certainly not on new ones well not pricey ones.. ... tan is taking out money to pay what we owe him strange yanks cannot do same according to mr know all...

Al fyhad made 250m from fulham by time he sold it

What money? Our wage bill was £90m alone.

The money we made in the PL funded staying there which is why we achieved such a long period of success.

If no where as all the money gone from premier league and sales of players? Certainly not on new ones well not pricey ones.. ... tan is taking out money to pay what we owe him strange yanks cannot do same according to mr know all...

Al fyhad made 250m from fulham by time he sold it

What money? Our wage bill was £90m alone.

The money we made in the PL funded staying there which is why we achieved such a long period of success.

don't disagree but how is it illegal to make money ? Corbyn lost mate.

illegal... what law is this that you can not profit from owning a football club..

They don’t own the football club, they own shares in a football club.

If they were to take anything out of the club they would be committing a criminal act, as I have told you all countless times, which is why the line that “it’s lining the Americans pockets” is so embarrassingly wrong.

don't disagree but how is it illegal to make money ? Corbyn lost mate.

It isn’t illegal to make money. But of course, that isn’t what I said and isn’t what was put to me.

It was said the Americans would take money from transfer sales in a company they don’t own. That’s illegal and obviously would never happen.

tan is taking out money to pay what we owe him strange yanks cannot do same according to mr know all...

Al fyhad made 250m from fulham by time he sold it

If you want a detailed answer then happy to give one, but something tells me you don’t really want to know the facts and would rather peddle the myth. But alas I will try...

I’m not aware if Tan is or isn’t doing that, I will take your word for it.

However, that is irrelevant to the point you are making with regards to the Americans and Swansea City.

Using company money to pay company debt is perfectly legal and desirable (which is what you describe with Tan). Taking company money to add to personal wealth just because the company sold some assets is illegal.

If you wish to take money out of a company you can do it a few ways:-

by salary (all directors are paid a standard directorship salary so that doesn’t change) or by dividends. Dividends can be taken IF a company posts a profit in a financial year, and it can only be a % of that profit. Before this can happen, it needs to pass a vote (which it will if it ever happens as the Americans have majority voting rights).

In that scenario they would have to pay the dividends in proportionate value to the shareholding. That means the Trust would get 22% of any payout. This is not something that the Americans would want at all as they will be strengthening them for whatever legal case is around the corner regarding the takeover. The American consortium is only fronted by Levien and Kaplan and is 23 people strong, that means if they wished to take £5m in dividends for example (a generous estimate), a quarter of that would go to the Supporters Trust, and around £3.5m would be split among 23 people = £150k each.

So in short, there is absolutely zero chance the Americans are going to give the Trust a 7 figure payout to strengthen their legal case for 150k each (or whatever proportion they own among the 23). Business sense suggests they would be far better off investing that money into the squad to help it thrive which will then increase the value of the club upon sale.

Increasing the clubs value and selling it on for profit is pretty much the only way to profit from owning clubs such as ours. M

All this noise about owners pocketing money is just uneducated misinformed nonsense. Have you heard of what is happening to Karl Oyston or familiar with the court case? That is why majority shareholders can’t syphon money, you would have to commit brazen fraud which of course would never happen when there is an active 22% shareholder within the daily running of the club.

So hopefully that puts a nail in that nonsense line of rubbish that often gets trotted out on here and provides a source we can link back to every time it does.

illegal... what law is this that you can not profit from owning a football club..

They don’t own the football club, they own shares in a football club.

If they were to take anything out of the club they would be committing a criminal act, as I have told you all countless times, which is why the line that “it’s lining the Americans pockets” is so embarrassingly wrong.

yes you do keep saying it
and also keep avoiding pointing us to this law in question.

yes you do keep saying it
and also keep avoiding pointing us to this law in question.

So just to confirm, you reckon if you have shares in a company, you can just take the companies money as and when... yeah?

Got a link to that?

yes you do keep saying it
and also keep avoiding pointing us to this law in question.

So just to confirm, you reckon if you have shares in a company, you can just take the companies money as and when... yeah?

Got a link to that?

no wonder you think your right all the time...YOU JUST MAKE UP WHAT OTHERS SAY...
where have I REKONED I have shares..or if I had shares...or that I can take money...where HAVE I SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT ?

no wonder you think your right all the time...YOU JUST MAKE UP WHAT OTHERS SAY...
where have I REKONED I have shares..or if I had shares...or that I can take money...where HAVE I SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT ?

I don't think I am right, I know I am right. Big difference.

I didn't say you reckon you have shares. I said do you think you can IF you had shares. Again, big difference.

It was said that the Americans can pocket the transfer money. I correctly said they can't... you interjected with a quip saying Corbyn didn't win, so that presumably meant you thought that it was fine then? Because as you say, Corbyn didn't win right?

Clarify what you meant by that and we will know where you stand.

You have just admitted on the other thread you don't disagree after all, and your Corbyn quip turned out to have no understandable meaning to you.

Glad we cleared it up.

So yes, back to the thread. They can't just pocket sales.

no wonder you think your right all the time...YOU JUST MAKE UP WHAT OTHERS SAY...
where have I REKONED I have shares..or if I had shares...or that I can take money...where HAVE I SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT ?

I don't think I am right, I know I am right. Big difference.

I didn't say you reckon you have shares. I said do you think you can IF you had shares. Again, big difference.

It was said that the Americans can pocket the transfer money. I correctly said they can't... you interjected with a quip saying Corbyn didn't win, so that presumably meant you thought that it was fine then? Because as you say, Corbyn didn't win right?

Clarify what you meant by that and we will know where you stand.

You know your right because you are never wrong on anything as you've admitted on many occasions here? I've never heard of a person in the world who is always right regardless of the topic discussed and sure no one else on here has either ? So what does that make you? Besides a ++++++++++++

no wonder you think your right all the time...YOU JUST MAKE UP WHAT OTHERS SAY...
where have I REKONED I have shares..or if I had shares...or that I can take money...where HAVE I SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT ?

I don't think I am right, I know I am right. Big difference.

I didn't say you reckon you have shares. I said do you think you can IF you had shares. Again, big difference.

It was said that the Americans can pocket the transfer money. I correctly said they can't... you interjected with a quip saying Corbyn didn't win, so that presumably meant you thought that it was fine then? Because as you say, Corbyn didn't win right?

Clarify what you meant by that and we will know where you stand.

You know your right because you are never wrong on anything as you've admitted on many occasions here? I've never heard of a person in the world who is always right regardless of the topic discussed and sure no one else on here has either ? So what does that make you? Besides a ++++++++++++

Ps which one of your many egos is always right
the most? this one balango roathy or the countless others you invented

Ps which one of your many egos is always right
the most? this one balango roathy or the countless others you invented

Which ever username has the most posts I would have thought.

no wonder you think your right all the time...YOU JUST MAKE UP WHAT OTHERS SAY...
where have I REKONED I have shares..or if I had shares...or that I can take money...where HAVE I SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT ?

I don't think I am right, I know I am right. Big difference.

I didn't say you reckon you have shares. I said do you think you can IF you had shares. Again, big difference.

It was said that the Americans can pocket the transfer money. I correctly said they can't... you interjected with a quip saying Corbyn didn't win, so that presumably meant you thought that it was fine then? Because as you say, Corbyn didn't win right?

Clarify what you meant by that and we will know where you stand.

You know your right because you are never wrong on anything as you've admitted on many occasions here? I've never heard of a person in the world who is always right regardless of the topic discussed and sure no one else on here has either ? So what does that make you? Besides a ++++++++++++

I’m not sure I have ever claimed that.

But I am more than happy for you to prove me wrong on something. No time like the present, feel free to tell me how I’m wrong here. Take your time, this should be fun

no wonder you think your right all the time...YOU JUST MAKE UP WHAT OTHERS SAY...
where have I REKONED I have shares..or if I had shares...or that I can take money...where HAVE I SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT ?

I don't think I am right, I know I am right. Big difference.

I didn't say you reckon you have shares. I said do you think you can IF you had shares. Again, big difference.

It was said that the Americans can pocket the transfer money. I correctly said they can't... you interjected with a quip saying Corbyn didn't win, so that presumably meant you thought that it was fine then? Because as you say, Corbyn didn't win right?

Clarify what you meant by that and we will know where you stand.

You know your right because you are never wrong on anything as you've admitted on many occasions here? I've never heard of a person in the world who is always right regardless of the topic discussed and sure no one else on here has either ? So what does that make you? Besides a ++++++++++++

I’m not sure I have ever claimed that.

But I am more than happy for you to prove me wrong on something. No time like the present, feel free to tell me how I’m wrong here. Take your time, this should be fun

Mmmm how many times in how many threads you've claimed your right through how many alter egos and you have never ever admitted your wrong once, instead uou put out smart arse answers to throw back at poster!
Anyway you are genuinely a piss taker on the piss when you're on here? So say and leave you to your sherry

Mmmm how many times in how many threads you've claimed your right through how many alter egos and you have never ever admitted your wrong once, instead uou put out smart arse answers to throw back at poster!
Anyway you are genuinely a piss taker on the piss when you're on here? So say and leave you to your sherry

I haven’t claimed anything, I am telling you for a fact that I am correct, it isn’t a claim or an opinion. A fact.

It is illegal to take money out of a business you are a shareholder of because it sells an asset. Just the way of the world, I am amazed so many can not grasp it.

There are no “alter egos” just new usernames when others get banned, haven’t we been through this countless times?

Bill Gates hasn’t admitted he’s poor either, probably because he isn’t. If he was then he would.

As I said, if you can show me where I am I correct then I will say so. If you can’t then what are you moaning about?


Cheers

Just a load of bla bla bla...don’t even bother to read what he says now

Course you don’t...

Why not white Christmas, or do you celebrate crossmas??just asking as I hate the word xmas,very crass.

Because I’m not religious and my celebration is family and not religiously motivated.

Oh,so you just take the CHRISTMAS holiday as you say for personal reasons everyone celebrates their families though,or do you just celebrate yours,at this convenient time then why not work over the holidays then last question,do you,or do you not buy family members gifts for christmas?I will await your convoluted reply.

Ps which one of your many egos is always right
the most? this one balango roathy or the countless others you invented

Which ever username has the most posts I would have thought.

Fack off Roathy

Just a load of bla bla bla...don’t even bother to read what he says now

Course you don’t...

Why not white Christmas, or do you celebrate crossmas??just asking as I hate the word xmas,very crass.

Because I’m not religious and my celebration is family and not religiously motivated.

Oh,so you just take the CHRISTMAS holiday as you say for personal reasons everyone celebrates their families though,or do you just celebrate yours,at this convenient time then why not work over the holidays then last question,do you,or do you not buy family members gifts for christmas?I will await your convoluted reply.

You seem awfully offended that I do not celebrate Christianity

I don’t take any holiday no, I don’t need to work on the 25th as the sporting calendar is quiet which is the industry I work in. I do buy them gifts yes, but NOT for religious reasons. Should aliens come down from space today and prove that Christianity is a complete fabrication and the world was created by particles forcing all the churches to close and bibles be tossed away... I will still be buying my family gifts and I will still not be working on the 25th... I will probably still have an Easter egg on Easter too. But again, it won’t be a religious thing.

I hope this helps?

But I’m glad we all now seemingly agree that the popular myth “the Americans will just pocket any sales” is now dead.

You see threads like this can be good, can teach you things you didn’t know. Clearly it’s uncomfortable to be told things by me as everyone seems to get annoyed, but it’s doing good long term and not making many of you look stupid when you decide to say such things. You can instead remember why what you are about to say is stupid and senseless and refrain.

Just a load of bla bla bla...don’t even bother to read what he says now

Course you don’t...

Why not white Christmas, or do you celebrate crossmas??just asking as I hate the word xmas,very crass.

Because I’m not religious and my celebration is family and not religiously motivated.

Oh,so you just take the CHRISTMAS holiday as you say for personal reasons everyone celebrates their families though,or do you just celebrate yours,at this convenient time then why not work over the holidays then last question,do you,or do you not buy family members gifts for christmas?I will await your convoluted reply.

You seem awfully offended that I do not celebrate Christianity

I don’t take any holiday no, I don’t need to work on the 25th as the sporting calendar is quiet which is the industry I work in. I do buy them gifts yes, but NOT for religious reasons. Should aliens come down from space today and prove that Christianity is a complete fabrication and the world was created by particles forcing all the churches to close and bibles be tossed away... I will still be buying my family gifts and I will still not be working on the 25th... I will probably still have an Easter egg on Easter too. But again, it won’t be a religious thing.

I hope this helps?

Offended,how? I asked you a few questions,you answered,but to say I am offended because you do not celebrate Christianity, when it's your choice to do what you like,believe what you like,hardly offensive to me son. must be a bit glum for the kids though, no tree and decoraat ions. .

Offended,how? I asked you a few questions,you answered,but to say I am offended because you do not celebrate Christianity, when it's your choice to do what you like,believe what you like,hardly offensive to me son. must be a bit glum for the kids though, no tree and decoraat ions. .

You have been banging on about it for weeks, you clearly have some sort of irritation with it.

What kids? Why no decorations? Santa is not a religious figure in our household, neither are fairies and lights. Its not many households that have Jesus decorations

It's a family holiday for us, not a religious one, just as it is for the majority of the world. Not sure why you are finding this so hard to comprehend.

Or majority of the Western World/way of life I should say.

So if you own shares in a company and the company sells an asset company directors cannot take any remuneration or dividend from said company. Is that national company law or only law among the hard of thinking Jacks.

So if you own shares in a company and the company sells an asset company directors cannot take any remuneration or dividend from said company. Is that national company law or only law among the hard of thinking Jacks.

Jock the swans are totally different to the rest of the world when it comes to roathy and his other personalities, Things don't apply to themselves just to everyone else.