BREAKING:CARDIFF MUST PAY FIRST INSTALMENT FOR SALA

Anyway, anyone wishing to return this back to the subject matter - feel free to do so. Seems apt to do it on what is now a fresh page. Please put the nonsense to bed now, it doesn’t help anyone.

It didnt take long for you to talk about your self proclaimed superiority over everyone else. That is why people think your wanker, it has nothing to do with you claiming it is because you say things that people do not want to hear.

Im not sure what you think you have been correct about that has made everyone else wrong either. The club have always said they would pay what was owed once the investigation was complete. That is what they are doing and regardless of the outcome it is what most fans expected as well.

Didn’t take me long? Where have I claimed my “self proclaimed superiority”? Are you making things up in order to pick an argument (again)? Show me where I talked about my superiority then...

Anyway, unless you have had your head in the sand. From the week this happened last season, I said that it looks very likely that the club will have to pay. Insurance probably wasn’t taken out. The contract error won’t matter as intent would supersede the technicalities. You would be unable to sue Nantes or the agent and can only seek recompense from the owners of the plane.

Each and every time any point was made regarding the above, I was told I was wrong and just trying to be shocking in order to argue, troll, seek attention (delete as appropriate). So people can think I am anything they want, the fact is that YET AGAIN, my perfectly valid, fair and ultimately correct contributions to this board have been vindicated.

I came on here quite clearly to continue the discussions sensibly. The likes of yourself however have decided to turn it into yet another one sided slanging match as you simply don’t wish to face reality. Feel free to return the topic back to where the club goes from here - some posters have raised some good points, how about responding to them instead of picking an argument with me?

You did it in your last post you prat. You're also doing it in this post Im always right and everyone else is wrong so they have to call me a troll blah blah blah....

I only asked who people thought Tan would blame!!

Tan usually wants to have someone to blame. And in this instance he has taken it all the way to uefa telling him to pay. That must mean he has been receiving ongoing advice that club has a right to withhold fee. That advice now proven wrong. So someone has been encouraging Tan on a path that has been deemed unsuccessful. And ultimately costly. Tan will be blaming someone.

That’s just the truth isn’t it? That isn’t superiority, that’s just a statement of fact. I come on here, talk sensibly - get called a troll because of it.... I get proven correct so come back to discuss again sensibly - get called a troll because of it... it’s a common theme. A tedious common theme at that.

I have asked this to return to the topic. Ironically enough, the person calling the other one “a troll” is the one to refuse and carry it on, and also the one to verbally abuse. If it wasn’t true it would be a script for a far fetched sit-com.

I only asked who people thought Tan would blame!!

Tan usually wants to have someone to blame. And in this instance he has taken it all the way to uefa telling him to pay. That must mean he has been receiving ongoing advice that club has a right to withhold fee. That advice now proven wrong. So someone has been encouraging Tan on a path that has been deemed unsuccessful. And ultimately costly. Tan will be blaming someone.

Your post was a good one. I have urged people to respond, however predictably they only want to talk about me as usual.

Anyway, since your question and the answer have been lost, I will start again in the hope a semblance of a discussion can form.

For me this went wrong in 2 places...

1) Failure to adequately provide transport for such a valuable player, making him feel he had to make his own arrangements. Travel from Nantes to Paris before a budget commercial flight wasn’t really a viable option judging from the texts. The club should have been all over than and think his Dad alluded to that prior to his death stating he had been “abandoned”.

2) lack of insurance. Whoever made the decision, or just simply didn’t think to insure a £15m signing has to shoulder a large proportion of this as that decision or lack of was financially negligent. I made the example of buying a car, I would always ensure it was insured prior to the transport to my house in case something happened in transit. I don’t see why this is any different.

Tan, although employs people at the club to do this, he should always be overseeing such major investments. He has legitimate gripe in a few areas but he also has to look at himself here.

I only asked who people thought Tan would blame!!

Tan usually wants to have someone to blame. And in this instance he has taken it all the way to uefa telling him to pay. That must mean he has been receiving ongoing advice that club has a right to withhold fee. That advice now proven wrong. So someone has been encouraging Tan on a path that has been deemed unsuccessful. And ultimately costly. Tan will be blaming someone.

He might take it further with the plane owner (if they ever find out who it is) and the people involved with organising the flight. Can't see him appealing against the decision now it has been made though.
It was an extremely unfortunate event that has been costly to the club. I am sure the club have learnt from it and there will be tighter procedures when signing players from abroad which were no doubt implemented with signing Glatzel.

Somewhere, an insurance company is going to have to cough up the money. Once insurance companies are involved, no one is going to be allowed to pay anything unless legally compelled to do so. Never mind the morality of it all. This is going to run and run. I don’t think we should pay anything, if, as the club is arguing, that his contract was not completed correctly. If that is the truth, then lawyers for the insurance companies will make sure it goes to court.

I only asked who people thought Tan would blame!!

Tan usually wants to have someone to blame. And in this instance he has taken it all the way to uefa telling him to pay. That must mean he has been receiving ongoing advice that club has a right to withhold fee. That advice now proven wrong. So someone has been encouraging Tan on a path that has been deemed unsuccessful. And ultimately costly. Tan will be blaming someone.

Your post was a good one. I have urged people to respond, however predictably they only want to talk about me as usual.

Anyway, since your question and the answer have been lost, I will start again in the hope a semblance of a discussion can form.

For me this went wrong in 2 places...

1) Failure to adequately provide transport for such a valuable player, making him feel he had to make his own arrangements. Travel from Nantes to Paris before a budget commercial flight wasn’t really a viable option judging from the texts. The club should have been all over than and think his Dad alluded to that prior to his death stating he had been “abandoned”.

2) lack of insurance. Whoever made the decision, or just simply didn’t think to insure a £15m signing has to shoulder a large proportion of this as that decision or lack of was financially negligent. I made the example of buying a car, I would always ensure it was insured prior to the transport to my house in case something happened in transit. I don’t see why this is any different.

Tan, although employs people at the club to do this, he should always be overseeing such major investments. He has legitimate gripe in a few areas but he also has to look at himself here.

How can you blame the club for the transport ?

They offered a safe flight from the nearest available airport.

Sala for reasons only known to himself decided to decline and accept a crappy personal flight put on by his agent.
Sala was a very wealthy young man and could have easily paid for his own flight if he wanted to. The club has no blame whatsoever in the transport side of this disaster and its discusting for you to say they have.

You like everybody else have no idea if we are insured or not because those details have not been disclosed yet.

The club were absolutely correct to withhold payment until all the facts about this were known fully.
Now they are known the payment is due.

Somewhere, an insurance company is going to have to cough up the money. Once insurance companies are involved, no one is going to be allowed to pay anything unless legally compelled to do so. Never mind the morality of it all. This is going to run and run. I don’t think we should pay anything, if, as the club is arguing, that his contract was not completed correctly. If that is the truth, then lawyers for the insurance companies will make sure it goes to court.

At end day if shoe on other foot nante wouldn't pay same as any other club so cannot criticise city in that respect! Unfortunately it's going to run until eventually situation is sorted by CAS or courts with possibly insurance company paying out from respective club....... best let them get on with it as no one appears to know anything not even fifa!

I only asked who people thought Tan would blame!!

Tan usually wants to have someone to blame. And in this instance he has taken it all the way to uefa telling him to pay. That must mean he has been receiving ongoing advice that club has a right to withhold fee. That advice now proven wrong. So someone has been encouraging Tan on a path that has been deemed unsuccessful. And ultimately costly. Tan will be blaming someone.

Your post was a good one. I have urged people to respond, however predictably they only want to talk about me as usual.

Anyway, since your question and the answer have been lost, I will start again in the hope a semblance of a discussion can form.

For me this went wrong in 2 places...

1) Failure to adequately provide transport for such a valuable player, making him feel he had to make his own arrangements. Travel from Nantes to Paris before a budget commercial flight wasn’t really a viable option judging from the texts. The club should have been all over than and think his Dad alluded to that prior to his death stating he had been “abandoned”.

2) lack of insurance. Whoever made the decision, or just simply didn’t think to insure a £15m signing has to shoulder a large proportion of this as that decision or lack of was financially negligent. I made the example of buying a car, I would always ensure it was insured prior to the transport to my house in case something happened in transit. I don’t see why this is any different.

Tan, although employs people at the club to do this, he should always be overseeing such major investments. He has legitimate gripe in a few areas but he also has to look at himself here.

With regards to your second point please read the link:
https://www.insuranceinsider.com/articl ... r-for-16mn

I only asked who people thought Tan would blame!!

Tan usually wants to have someone to blame. And in this instance he has taken it all the way to uefa telling him to pay. That must mean he has been receiving ongoing advice that club has a right to withhold fee. That advice now proven wrong. So someone has been encouraging Tan on a path that has been deemed unsuccessful. And ultimately costly. Tan will be blaming someone.

Your post was a good one. I have urged people to respond, however predictably they only want to talk about me as usual.

Anyway, since your question and the answer have been lost, I will start again in the hope a semblance of a discussion can form.

For me this went wrong in 2 places...

1) Failure to adequately provide transport for such a valuable player, making him feel he had to make his own arrangements. Travel from Nantes to Paris before a budget commercial flight wasn’t really a viable option judging from the texts. The club should have been all over than and think his Dad alluded to that prior to his death stating he had been “abandoned”.

2) lack of insurance. Whoever made the decision, or just simply didn’t think to insure a £15m signing has to shoulder a large proportion of this as that decision or lack of was financially negligent. I made the example of buying a car, I would always ensure it was insured prior to the transport to my house in case something happened in transit. I don’t see why this is any different.

Tan, although employs people at the club to do this, he should always be overseeing such major investments. He has legitimate gripe in a few areas but he also has to look at himself here.

Another blame tan for everything regardless of anything? Firstly club offered transport it was refused! Who's fault is that? Insurance cannot be concluded until all paper work is completed as this is the problem how can club insure him and there are rules/procedures in place regarding player insurance, ( do you know them?) why dont you blame the people responsible for the plane, flights, and the pilot ? Which as we all know even you do that club was not responsible for any of them

I only asked who people thought Tan would blame!!

Tan usually wants to have someone to blame. And in this instance he has taken it all the way to uefa telling him to pay. That must mean he has been receiving ongoing advice that club has a right to withhold fee. That advice now proven wrong. So someone has been encouraging Tan on a path that has been deemed unsuccessful. And ultimately costly. Tan will be blaming someone.

Your post was a good one. I have urged people to respond, however predictably they only want to talk about me as usual.

Anyway, since your question and the answer have been lost, I will start again in the hope a semblance of a discussion can form.

For me this went wrong in 2 places...

1) Failure to adequately provide transport for such a valuable player, making him feel he had to make his own arrangements. Travel from Nantes to Paris before a budget commercial flight wasn’t really a viable option judging from the texts. The club should have been all over than and think his Dad alluded to that prior to his death stating he had been “abandoned”.

2) lack of insurance. Whoever made the decision, or just simply didn’t think to insure a £15m signing has to shoulder a large proportion of this as that decision or lack of was financially negligent. I made the example of buying a car, I would always ensure it was insured prior to the transport to my house in case something happened in transit. I don’t see why this is any different.

Tan, although employs people at the club to do this, he should always be overseeing such major investments. He has legitimate gripe in a few areas but he also has to look at himself here.

Another blame tan for everything regardless of anything? Firstly club offered transport it was refused! Who's fault is that? Insurance cannot be concluded until all paper work is completed as this is the problem how can club insure him and there are rules/procedures in place regarding player insurance, ( do you know them?) why dont you blame the people responsible for the plane, flights, and the pilot ? Which as we all know even you do that club was not responsible for any of them

I completely agree with you Pembroke. From what I’ve personally read and learnt about the whole tragedy is that our club is not one ounce to blame. The player decided to declined what the club had offered - that’s not the clubs fault. He wanted to go back to France to say his goodbyes to friends etc and wanted to stay as long as possible to sort arrangements out. The plane itself obviously either had a fault or wasn’t maintained properly and therefore led to his death. The people who are directly responsible for his death are who ever is liable for the maintence/checks on that plane. Whether this is also something that the pilot should have been aware off too for example when was the planes check last undertaken is unclear. The club have done absolutely nothing wrong (unless there’s something I and everyone else doesn’t know about). Yes they may have to pay the transfer money now but someone or if not a company must be held to account t for the loss that the club is having to deal with.

I only asked who people thought Tan would blame!!

Tan usually wants to have someone to blame. And in this instance he has taken it all the way to uefa telling him to pay. That must mean he has been receiving ongoing advice that club has a right to withhold fee. That advice now proven wrong. So someone has been encouraging Tan on a path that has been deemed unsuccessful. And ultimately costly. Tan will be blaming someone.

Your post was a good one. I have urged people to respond, however predictably they only want to talk about me as usual.

Anyway, since your question and the answer have been lost, I will start again in the hope a semblance of a discussion can form.

For me this went wrong in 2 places...

1) Failure to adequately provide transport for such a valuable player, making him feel he had to make his own arrangements. Travel from Nantes to Paris before a budget commercial flight wasn’t really a viable option judging from the texts. The club should have been all over than and think his Dad alluded to that prior to his death stating he had been “abandoned”.

2) lack of insurance. Whoever made the decision, or just simply didn’t think to insure a £15m signing has to shoulder a large proportion of this as that decision or lack of was financially negligent. I made the example of buying a car, I would always ensure it was insured prior to the transport to my house in case something happened in transit. I don’t see why this is any different.

Tan, although employs people at the club to do this, he should always be overseeing such major investments. He has legitimate gripe in a few areas but he also has to look at himself here.

Another blame tan for everything regardless of anything? Firstly club offered transport it was refused! Who's fault is that? Insurance cannot be concluded until all paper work is completed as this is the problem how can club insure him and there are rules/procedures in place regarding player insurance, ( do you know them?) why dont you blame the people responsible for the plane, flights, and the pilot ? Which as we all know even you do that club was not responsible for any of them

Not at all, I have said Tan is one of the better owners out there once you take away the re-brand. But he does need to be across this. He is the club owner and should be overseeing all major decisions.

I also did apportion blame elsewhere. Clearly the most blame lies with the owner of that plane and also the pilot that gave away the job to someone less qualified. Although it is important to note that David Ibbotson is not to blame for this accident as toxicology suggests he suffered carbon monoxide poisoning, even had the best pilot in the world been at the helm - it would have ended the same way. Don’t be so defensive, I am not attacking anybody.

With regards to your second point please read the link:
https://www.insuranceinsider.com/articl ... r-for-16mn

Thanks. I would say the clubs action goes against what is in this article. You cannot insure something you don’t own and the club were insisting they don’t own him. Should he have been covered by insurance then there would be no issue at all and no club would risk tarnishing their name by disputing it, they would just let the cover pay for it. I may be wrong of course, but to me these aren’t the actions of a club with cover for their player.

How can you blame the club for the transport ?

They offered a safe flight from the nearest available airport.

Sala for reasons only known to himself decided to decline and accept a crappy personal flight put on by his agent.
Sala was a very wealthy young man and could have easily paid for his own flight if he wanted to. The club has no blame whatsoever in the transport side of this disaster and its discusting for you to say they have.

You like everybody else have no idea if we are insured or not because those details have not been disclosed yet.

The club were absolutely correct to withhold payment until all the facts about this were known fully.
Now they are known the payment is due.

Thomas, offering transport and offering suitable transport are very differing things. Yes he was offered a €90 flight on a budget commercial flight that he had to travel 4 hours in a car to get to, when he was under time constraints. It wasn’t a feasible option. In that instance a £15m player should never be allowed to make their own arrangements, the club should not lose control of his travel plans - especially if un-insured like I suspect. It is a club that had a £120m income, it should have laid on a suitable travel option for a player representing such an investment.

It isn’t the clubs fault that his plane crashed of course; but it is the clubs fault that he felt the need to make a new arrangement. Something that in my opinion shouldn’t have happened and probably won’t happen again. A quick look suggests £4,500 would have done it, Nantes to Cardiff. Once it was clear he was going to make his own arrangements, surely the club would prefer control over that and step in.

According to this you have made 18 posts relating to the decision made by FIFA. I have neither called you a troll or argumentative regarding this, and have not even claimed anything you have said relating to this outcome as being incorrect. All I have said is as already stated, ie your numerous user names and Cardiff paying out in full. The reason I look forward to you being banned (probably a dead cert), is because each time you come on here you begin by sensibly debating various topics (even I agreed with you early on last time), before reverting back to being your typical internet troll. I will leave you to it now, I know you feed off posters like me and that is how you get your kicks. Have a nice time on here for as long as it lasts, hopefully not too long.

You are contradicting yourself. You say I am back (acknowledging my previous usernames) but then only discussing those made under this one? You know full well my stance on this transfer and you know full well I have been proven spot on.

Again Steve, you run a mile before you have to back up your ever so boring accusation of trolling. You would not be able to pick out a single post of mine that is deemed as trolling and you know it. What you mean is, I start off discussing sensibly until people have enough that they can’t get under my skin and wreck any thread I am in. That isn’t me trolling, which is why you run a mile every time you utter it as you know I will ask you for an example.

I agree, no doubt I will be banned, probably today some time. That’s not a mark on my character or behaviour however. That’s simply down to the vocal minority on here kicking up a stink that I dare be correct and do it eloquently. It’s threatening to them. But we also both know that all that happens is I get another username down the line when I wish to discuss something and the cycle continues again - but you will still never be able to back your claims and my “trolling” will always prove itself to be sensible discussion in time. I’m happy enough with how it works.

Jesus guys,get a room,this threads dead

Quoting a post a day ago when the subject has moved back onto topic does help to kill a topic, yes.

Another thread ruined, forum gone down hill again. No idea why he hasn't been banned. Should have just let his original username and admit defeat if your not going to ban the others reported.

Another thread ruined, forum gone down hill again. No idea why he hasn't been banned. Should have just let his original username and admit defeat if your not going to ban the others reported.

It only gets ruined because people like you who are unable to debate, try and ruin it so then you can go to Annis and ask him to ban me.

If you have a view on the subject then debate it. If you don’t then post on another thread and stop sabotaging it for your own personal ends, it’s very transparent.

Quoting a post a day ago when the subject has moved back onto topic does help to kill a topic, yes.

My friend you need to seek help,as they say "self praise is worthless"and you shower yourself in it,every time you reappear do you realise how many times on this topic,you have told whoever wishes to listen,about how right you are? .

Quoting a post a day ago when the subject has moved back onto topic does help to kill a topic, yes.

My friend you need to seek help,as they say "self praise is worthless"and you shower yourself in it,every time you reappear do you realise how many times on this topic,you have told whoever wishes to listen,about how right you are? .

Yes, because I am right. Why would I need to seek help about being proven right?

You need to seek help about your anger issues, every time I read a post of yours it is just filled with frustrated nonsense.

Try and debate nicely, you may like it.