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Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:11 am

cityone wrote:
Jock wrote:
Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Good on boris ,you remoaners have been traitors to the uk , have collaborated with the eu and have tied the government's hands behind there backs in negotiations , hopefully a general election will be called after we leave and we can drain the remoaner swamp !

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632


Thanks for the Brexshitter Bollux. This is a fight to the end.

A fight between people who believe in democracy and treacherous Quislings.


Quite right Jock, :thumbup: Everybody with half a brain can see that these MP's who say they are trying to stop a no deal brexit are lying through their back teeth, they are actually trying to stop brexit! they are putting two fingers up to the result of the referendum and in many cases their own constituents who heavily voted to leave. The ballot box in the coming general election will put pay to many of them. :thumbup:


:clap: :clap: :clap:
Let's get it done.
They've had 3+ years to carry out the democratic will of the people.
:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:37 am

BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum. :happy1: :happy1:



how happy would you be if
we have a 2nd vote and remain wins
then have a GE where the Brexit party wins { ive said Brexit party but it could be any party or even a majority cross section of MPs
who then tell you your EU vote was pointless is not legally binding so proceed to leave anyway.
that's not democracy and neither is what remainers are saying.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:47 am

deadmouse wrote:
BluebirdWhitchurch wrote:we live in a parliamentary democracy, suspending parliament would be infinitely more undemocratic than remaining after a non legally binding referendum. :happy1: :happy1:



how happy would you be if
we have a 2nd vote and remain wins
then have a GE where the Brexit party wins { ive said Brexit party but it could be any party or even a majority cross section of MPs
who then tell you your EU vote was pointless is not legally binding so proceed to leave anyway.
that's not democracy and neither is what remainers are saying.



Wonder how many of these queens speech as lizzy done And How come previous
ones were democratic? Yet this one is undemocratic? After all not doing anything that as not been done
thousands of times in parliaments history..... :old:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:54 am

Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:05 am

Costa Coffee Crew wrote:
Straight question. Deserves a straight answer. Yes I will accept it. Because now people will have at least some idea of the implications of Brexit. If after all this shit, if people vote to leave it will be disappointing but we will have to accept it. It appears to me the question must be final so should be remain or no deal. The only upside of leave is that it will strengthen the march towards independence for Wales - and I never thought I would ever say that. I just cannot accept being led by people like Johnson and Rees Mogg.


One thing that has always baffled me about the remain argument is any BREXIT deal must consider the wishes of the 48% who voted to remain.

For arguments sake if the original vote had been 52-48% to remain how would the 48% of leave voters be represented by staying in the EU? Could we have a 'soft' remain? :laughing5:

Therefore whatever the result of the referendum was it was always going to be the 'hard' option whether that was to leave or remain. A deal would be nice but if not we go any way.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:15 am

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:13 am

Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:06 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:37 pm

Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:08 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us


Well i have lived up in your country (scotland) for almost 35 years and where i live (borders) it's a leave area and anti SNP, Scotland as a whole may have voted to remain but over a million people in voted to leave. As for this "scotland will soon be free" crap it wont happen, if it came to a vote there are far too many sensible people who realise that on their own scotland would be bankrupt within 3 years, they also know that watching braveheart every other week still doesn't change their minds.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:53 pm

BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:57 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

As a Scotsman I know Scotland did better as part of a United Kingdom than on its own.As a Scotsman I. Know Braveheart isn’t a documentary. The Natz based their economy on one commodity, oil. what’s your plan for Wales? What do you suggest people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British do, in the event of a United Ireland.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:08 pm

Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

As a Scotsman I know Scotland did better as part of a United Kingdom than on its own.As a Scotsman I. Know Braveheart isn’t a documentary. The Natz based their economy on one commodity, oil. what’s your plan for Wales? What do you suggest people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British do, in the event of a United Ireland.



Oil income dropped by £1b at one point do people actually want to base income on a volatile commodity like oil which will run out at some point? What if oil companies pulled the plug on more exploration? So many questions that nationalists dont mention? But if I was PM and sturgeon wanted another referendum I would tell her yes have it but 1yr after independence funding from Westminster ends that should concentrate the minds! :laughing6:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:28 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.



and yet an additional 20bn a year has been announced by the May Govt (384m per week) and this has been announced regardless of leaving the EU and im not sure why its not mentioned more to be honest.

added to the fact that the NHS needs better management not just more and more money thrown at it.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:34 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gUsKWsPcRXE pretty clear this was

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:50 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

As a Scotsman I know Scotland did better as part of a United Kingdom than on its own.As a Scotsman I. Know Braveheart isn’t a documentary. The Natz based their economy on one commodity, oil. what’s your plan for Wales? What do you suggest people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British do, in the event of a United Ireland.



Oil income dropped by £1b at one point do people actually want to base income on a volatile commodity like oil which will run out at some point? What if oil companies pulled the plug on more exploration? So many questions that nationalists dont mention? But if I was PM and sturgeon wanted another referendum I would tell her yes have it but 1yr after independence funding from Westminster ends that should concentrate the minds! :laughing6:

Basing your whole economy on one volatile commodity, oil, is a recipe for disaster. Venezuela being a recent example.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:55 pm

Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.

Funny you talk about George Osbourne's punishment which was £30 billion but the bank of England has said we've lost growth of over £73billion thanks to brexit.
We're also currently on nearly 250,000 job losses due to brexit (not including indirect job losses) so I imagine after no deal we'll hit your 800,000 and you can be happy.
For balance here's some leave lies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
I have to give credit to the leavers who apparently saw through all these dastardly lies and instead knew that they were voting, not for sovereignty or wealth, but to make themselves worse off

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:59 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.

Funny you talk about George Osbourne's punishment which was £30 billion but the bank of England has said we've lost growth of over £73billion thanks to brexit.
We're also currently on nearly 250,000 job losses due to brexit (not including indirect job losses) so I imagine after no deal we'll hit your 800,000 and you can be happy.
For balance here's some leave lies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
I have to give credit to the leavers who apparently saw through all these dastardly lies and instead knew that they were voting, not for sovereignty or wealth, but to make themselves worse off

Who cares if we could or may not be worse off weve had a vote and leave won and it has to be followed through ! Btw Britain s economy is the best performing in the eu since the brexit vote , i wonder how many job losses like the rest of Europe we would of had if we voted to remain

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:08 pm

wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.

Funny you talk about George Osbourne's punishment which was £30 billion but the bank of England has said we've lost growth of over £73billion thanks to brexit.
We're also currently on nearly 250,000 job losses due to brexit (not including indirect job losses) so I imagine after no deal we'll hit your 800,000 and you can be happy.
For balance here's some leave lies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
I have to give credit to the leavers who apparently saw through all these dastardly lies and instead knew that they were voting, not for sovereignty or wealth, but to make themselves worse off

Who cares if we could or may not be worse off weve had a vote and leave won and it has to be followed through ! Btw Britain s economy is the best performing in the eu since the brexit vote , i wonder how many job losses like the rest of Europe we would of had if we voted to remain

'I don't care that the country will be worse off'. And you think remainers are the traitors??????
Do you have any proof of that economy claim or is that another leave 'fact' plucked out of nowhere?

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:17 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.

Funny you talk about George Osbourne's punishment which was £30 billion but the bank of England has said we've lost growth of over £73billion thanks to brexit.
We're also currently on nearly 250,000 job losses due to brexit (not including indirect job losses) so I imagine after no deal we'll hit your 800,000 and you can be happy.
For balance here's some leave lies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
I have to give credit to the leavers who apparently saw through all these dastardly lies and instead knew that they were voting, not for sovereignty or wealth, but to make themselves worse off

Who cares if we could or may not be worse off weve had a vote and leave won and it has to be followed through ! Btw Britain s economy is the best performing in the eu since the brexit vote , i wonder how many job losses like the rest of Europe we would of had if we voted to remain

'I don't care that the country will be worse off'. And you think remainers are the traitors??????
Do you have any proof of that economy claim or is that another leave 'fact' plucked out of nowhere?

The UK's relative performance was even stronger when comparing the fourth quarter of 2018 with the final three months of 2017. On that measure, it was the fastest growing major economy in Europe. Britain grew by 1.3pc year on year, versus 1.2pc for the eurozone, 0.9pc for France, 0.6pc for Germany and 0.1pc for Italy.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:28 pm

Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

As a Scotsman I know Scotland did better as part of a United Kingdom than on its own.As a Scotsman I. Know Braveheart isn’t a documentary. The Natz based their economy on one commodity, oil. what’s your plan for Wales? What do you suggest people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British do, in the event of a United Ireland.


As a Scotsman you should also know that whisky is the uk’s biggest export! Think you’ll find that England needs Scotland more than Scotland needs England!

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:29 pm

wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.

Funny you talk about George Osbourne's punishment which was £30 billion but the bank of England has said we've lost growth of over £73billion thanks to brexit.
We're also currently on nearly 250,000 job losses due to brexit (not including indirect job losses) so I imagine after no deal we'll hit your 800,000 and you can be happy.
For balance here's some leave lies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
I have to give credit to the leavers who apparently saw through all these dastardly lies and instead knew that they were voting, not for sovereignty or wealth, but to make themselves worse off

Who cares if we could or may not be worse off weve had a vote and leave won and it has to be followed through ! Btw Britain s economy is the best performing in the eu since the brexit vote , i wonder how many job losses like the rest of Europe we would of had if we voted to remain

'I don't care that the country will be worse off'. And you think remainers are the traitors??????
Do you have any proof of that economy claim or is that another leave 'fact' plucked out of nowhere?

The UK's relative performance was even stronger when comparing the fourth quarter of 2018 with the final three months of 2017. On that measure, it was the fastest growing major economy in Europe. Britain grew by 1.3pc year on year, versus 1.2pc for the eurozone, 0.9pc for France, 0.6pc for Germany and 0.1pc for Italy.

Poland is way faster than that though.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:30 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

As a Scotsman I know Scotland did better as part of a United Kingdom than on its own.As a Scotsman I. Know Braveheart isn’t a documentary. The Natz based their economy on one commodity, oil. what’s your plan for Wales? What do you suggest people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British do, in the event of a United Ireland.


As a Scotsman you should also know that whisky is the uk’s biggest export! Think you’ll find that England needs Scotland more than Scotland needs England!

:lol:

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:32 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.

Funny you talk about George Osbourne's punishment which was £30 billion but the bank of England has said we've lost growth of over £73billion thanks to brexit.
We're also currently on nearly 250,000 job losses due to brexit (not including indirect job losses) so I imagine after no deal we'll hit your 800,000 and you can be happy.
For balance here's some leave lies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
I have to give credit to the leavers who apparently saw through all these dastardly lies and instead knew that they were voting, not for sovereignty or wealth, but to make themselves worse off

Who cares if we could or may not be worse off weve had a vote and leave won and it has to be followed through ! Btw Britain s economy is the best performing in the eu since the brexit vote , i wonder how many job losses like the rest of Europe we would of had if we voted to remain

'I don't care that the country will be worse off'. And you think remainers are the traitors??????
Do you have any proof of that economy claim or is that another leave 'fact' plucked out of nowhere?

The UK's relative performance was even stronger when comparing the fourth quarter of 2018 with the final three months of 2017. On that measure, it was the fastest growing major economy in Europe. Britain grew by 1.3pc year on year, versus 1.2pc for the eurozone, 0.9pc for France, 0.6pc for Germany and 0.1pc for Italy.

Poland is way faster than that though.
the same poland that the eu has taken there voting rights off them ? And the same poland that want s out too ?

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:32 pm

BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

As a Scotsman I know Scotland did better as part of a United Kingdom than on its own.As a Scotsman I. Know Braveheart isn’t a documentary. The Natz based their economy on one commodity, oil. what’s your plan for Wales? What do you suggest people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British do, in the event of a United Ireland.


As a Scotsman you should also know that whisky is the uk’s biggest export! Think you’ll find that England needs Scotland more than Scotland needs England!

Exports of Scotch whisky hit a record high last year, according to new figures. Analysis of HMRC data by the Scotch Whisky Association (SWA) found exports grew 7.8% by value to £4.7bn. The number of bottles exported also reached record levels, growing by 3.6% to 1.28 billion.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:41 pm

wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.

Funny you talk about George Osbourne's punishment which was £30 billion but the bank of England has said we've lost growth of over £73billion thanks to brexit.
We're also currently on nearly 250,000 job losses due to brexit (not including indirect job losses) so I imagine after no deal we'll hit your 800,000 and you can be happy.
For balance here's some leave lies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
I have to give credit to the leavers who apparently saw through all these dastardly lies and instead knew that they were voting, not for sovereignty or wealth, but to make themselves worse off

Who cares if we could or may not be worse off weve had a vote and leave won and it has to be followed through ! Btw Britain s economy is the best performing in the eu since the brexit vote , i wonder how many job losses like the rest of Europe we would of had if we voted to remain

'I don't care that the country will be worse off'. And you think remainers are the traitors??????
Do you have any proof of that economy claim or is that another leave 'fact' plucked out of nowhere?

The UK's relative performance was even stronger when comparing the fourth quarter of 2018 with the final three months of 2017. On that measure, it was the fastest growing major economy in Europe. Britain grew by 1.3pc year on year, versus 1.2pc for the eurozone, 0.9pc for France, 0.6pc for Germany and 0.1pc for Italy.

Poland is way faster than that though.
the same poland that the eu has taken there voting rights off them ? And the same poland that want s out too ?


I am struggling to see any link between your lie and these 2 questions

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:46 pm

wez1927 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

As a Scotsman I know Scotland did better as part of a United Kingdom than on its own.As a Scotsman I. Know Braveheart isn’t a documentary. The Natz based their economy on one commodity, oil. what’s your plan for Wales? What do you suggest people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British do, in the event of a United Ireland.


As a Scotsman you should also know that whisky is the uk’s biggest export! Think you’ll find that England needs Scotland more than Scotland needs England!

Exports of Scotch whisky hit a record high last year, according to new figures. Analysis of HMRC data by the Scotch Whisky Association (SWA) found exports grew 7.8% by value to £4.7bn. The number of bottles exported also reached record levels, growing by 3.6% to 1.28 billion.


Whisky remains top UK export. Whisky and chocolate continue to top the UK's food and drink export lists, new research has found. According to Food & Drink Federation (FDF) analysis, UK food and drink exports increased by 1.8% to £16.4bn from January to September 2018, compared to the same period in 2017.

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:54 pm

CCFCJosh75 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
CCFCJosh75 wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.


Well I wish you would tell that to the remain side. I fully accept that the 'bus' was a huge mistake and pushed the point so much that it could-not have been credible i.e. £370mpw would go to the NHS when we didn't actually send £370m to the EU when the rebate and project spending in the UK was taken into account.

However, remain were just as bad. No mention the referendum was 'advisory' until after they lost, 800,000 job losses just by voting for BREXIT and Osborne's punishment budget both of which NEVER happened.

But the one thing that drives me mad about remain spokesmen is when they start telling me 'what I voted for' and 'what I knew'. They have no authority to speak on behalf of leave voters and certainly shouldn't put dishonest words into our mouths.

I voted out and if that meant no deal then I fully understood the consequences.

Funny you talk about George Osbourne's punishment which was £30 billion but the bank of England has said we've lost growth of over £73billion thanks to brexit.
We're also currently on nearly 250,000 job losses due to brexit (not including indirect job losses) so I imagine after no deal we'll hit your 800,000 and you can be happy.
For balance here's some leave lies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxWiRz6A9E
I have to give credit to the leavers who apparently saw through all these dastardly lies and instead knew that they were voting, not for sovereignty or wealth, but to make themselves worse off

Who cares if we could or may not be worse off weve had a vote and leave won and it has to be followed through ! Btw Britain s economy is the best performing in the eu since the brexit vote , i wonder how many job losses like the rest of Europe we would of had if we voted to remain

'I don't care that the country will be worse off'. And you think remainers are the traitors??????
Do you have any proof of that economy claim or is that another leave 'fact' plucked out of nowhere?

The UK's relative performance was even stronger when comparing the fourth quarter of 2018 with the final three months of 2017. On that measure, it was the fastest growing major economy in Europe. Britain grew by 1.3pc year on year, versus 1.2pc for the eurozone, 0.9pc for France, 0.6pc for Germany and 0.1pc for Italy.

Poland is way faster than that though.
the same poland that the eu has taken there voting rights off them ? And the same poland that want s out too ?


I am struggling to see any link between your lie and these 2 questions
hows is it a lie are poland in the eurozone? Yes ,eurozone grow by 1.2% Britain by 1.3% its not rocket science , akso the ecb have had to pump billions into the eurozone just to keep up , britain in in much better order than the eurozone

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:58 pm

BlueGog wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Jock wrote:
BlueGog wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Tony Blue Williams wrote:
Steve Zodiak wrote:
Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


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While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

As a Scotsman I know Scotland did better as part of a United Kingdom than on its own.As a Scotsman I. Know Braveheart isn’t a documentary. The Natz based their economy on one commodity, oil. what’s your plan for Wales? What do you suggest people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British do, in the event of a United Ireland.


As a Scotsman you should also know that whisky is the uk’s biggest export! Think you’ll find that England needs Scotland more than Scotland needs England!

Exports of Scotch whisky hit a record high last year, according to new figures. Analysis of HMRC data by the Scotch Whisky Association (SWA) found exports grew 7.8% by value to £4.7bn. The number of bottles exported also reached record levels, growing by 3.6% to 1.28 billion.


Whisky remains top UK export. Whisky and chocolate continue to top the UK's food and drink export lists, new research has found. According to Food & Drink Federation (FDF) analysis, UK food and drink exports increased by 1.8% to £16.4bn from January to September 2018, compared to the same period in 2017.

Lets put it in to context all of uk food and drink exports were 16 billion pounds we sent 20 billion pounds to the eu last year plus 5.5 billion in vat to them ?

Re: Ot boris shutting down parliament

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Funny how the brochure sent to every household in the UK never mentioned "non legally binding". I voted, but had I known this was simply an advisory exercise, I most certainly would have stayed at home rather than visit the Polling Station. If I was a betting person, I would wager that hardly anyone who cast a vote knew that this was a non legally binding referendum. I think most, like me, believed what was in the pamphlet sent by the government, as well as the fact we were told this was a once in a generation vote. This "advisory only" rubbish came out long after the remoaners lost, and is just one of numerous points that they keep throwing down our throats simply because they did not get the result they wanted.


Great point Steve. We often hear leave voters didn't know what we were voting for but that was only true in relation to the referendum being 'advisory', because I certainly didn't know that was the case and assumed like you that the promise in the Cameron's pamphlet to implement the result was a binding agreement between the Government and the population who had been asked to give their view on an important constitutional question.

Over the past 3 years I have slowly come to believe that this 'advisory' nonsense was a planted 'backstop' (to nick a phrase) which could be triggered if we did vote to leave.

All it took was a patsy like Gena Miller to take the Government to court and hand the running of BREXIT to an unrepresented Parliament (who are 70% remain and with a bias Speaker) who could then disrupt and derail BREXIT for years with the intention of stopping it altogether.

I fully accept Boris is pulling fast one and using underhand tactics but for years remain have been doing the same. John Bercow a supposedly impartial Speaker of the House has openly boasted of his intention to stop BREXIT despite the result of the referendum. So the PM has decided to fight fire with fire and good for him!


:thumbup:


While I totally agree that nobody knew at the time, the bill that went through Parliament says clearly that the referendum was ‘advisory’ and not legally binding. Truth is both sides have been making things up to help their arguments.

Truth is Wales and the UK as a whole want to leave this failing project. All the rest is just wind and piss, we voted to leave it’s time we left.


As a Scotsman you should be aware that Scotland voted remain as did the north of Ireland. Brexit has hastened the end of the uk, Scotland will soon be free and The island of Ireland will be one country. That leaves Wales and England! Hod help us

As a Scotsman I know Scotland did better as part of a United Kingdom than on its own.As a Scotsman I. Know Braveheart isn’t a documentary. The Natz based their economy on one commodity, oil. what’s your plan for Wales? What do you suggest people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British do, in the event of a United Ireland.


As a Scotsman you should also know that whisky is the uk’s biggest export! Think you’ll find that England needs Scotland more than Scotland needs England!

Exports of Scotch whisky hit a record high last year, according to new figures. Analysis of HMRC data by the Scotch Whisky Association (SWA) found exports grew 7.8% by value to £4.7bn. The number of bottles exported also reached record levels, growing by 3.6% to 1.28 billion.


Whisky remains top UK export. Whisky and chocolate continue to top the UK's food and drink export lists, new research has found. According to Food & Drink Federation (FDF) analysis, UK food and drink exports increased by 1.8% to £16.4bn from January to September 2018, compared to the same period in 2017.

Fuel was the UKs biggest export and as for your absurd claim England needs Scotland more than Scotland needs England, is that why Scots get 20% more, per head, spent on public services than the English do.